Cipro is no better than a PLACEBO at treating chronic prostatitis / chronic pelvic pain syndrome

Cipro for Pelvic Pain

It is noted in the book, A Headache in the Pelvis, that, “Ciprofloxacin, one of the most powerful antibiotics, on a long-term basis proves to be only as effective as a placebo” for treatment of chronic prostatitis / chronic pelvic pain syndrome (CP/CPPS).

I just about fell out of my chair when I read that.

Ciprofloxacin, not only one of the most powerful antibiotics, but also one of the most dangerous antibiotics, is NO MORE EFFECTIVE THAN A PLACEBO for treatment of chronic prostatitis.  Despite their lack of effectiveness, “Quinolones, such as ciprofloxacin, are commonly used to treat CP/CPPS because of their excellent penetration into the prostate.”

Ciprofloxacin penetrates the prostate, and every cell in the body well, but that doesn’t seem like a good enough reason to give it out to the 9-12% of men who suffer from prostatitis if it is NO MORE EFFECTIVE THAN A PLACEBO in treating chronic prostatitis.

Let’s do a cost/benefit analysis of ciprofloxacin versus a placebo.

Placebo

Benefits:  Some potential alleviation of symptoms, as well as potential increases in physical and mental health scores.  (The placebo effect is amazing – it’s not the same as doing nothing.)

Costs:  The potential for “nocebo” effects exists – the experience of adverse effects based on the expectation of adverse effects.  A placebo is a sugar pill though, and the potential for adverse effects is negligible.

Ciprofloxacin

Benefits:  Some potential alleviation of symptoms, as well as potential increases in physical and mental health scores.  (Same potential benefits as the placebo.)

Costs:  Ciprofloxacin and other fluoroquinolones can kill people – DEATH is a potential effect.  If they don’t kill the patient, they can still structurally weakening of every tendon in one’s body, cause mitochondrial dysfunction and potentially increase the risk of all of the diseases related to mitochondrial dysfunction (including neurodegenerative and autoimmune diseases), lead to serious central nervous system adverse effects including seizures, anxiety, depression, suicidal ideation and intracranial pressure, cause liver and kidney failure, PERMANENT peripheral neuropathy, and more.  There is a 43 PAGE warning label for ciprofloxacin.  Many things are missing from the warning label, and a list of some of the adverse effects can be found HERE.  When patients are given ciprofloxacin, they are not only risking a single adverse effect listed on the warning label, they are risking multiple, devastating effects that may be permanent.

Opting for the sugar pill seems pretty reasonable—better, actually.

It is criminal to subject people to a drug as dangerous as ciprofloxacin for a condition that it isn’t effective at treating.  It is NOT a benign drug.  It is a topoisomerase interruptera chemo drug – and it should NOT be used frivolously.  Ciprofloxacin, and all the other fluoroquinolones, should only be used in life-threatening situations and they should NEVER be used for conditions that they are not proven effective at treating.  They should NEVER be used in situations where they have been shown to be no more effective than a placebo.

This isn’t rocket science.  Don’t give people dangerous drugs that don’t even have the potential for helping them.  It’s not hard.  But men with CP/CPPS are given ciprofloxacin, and other fluoroquinolones, as if they’re candy, to “treat” their condition.  It’s absurd.

The study that found that CP/CPPS is no more effective than a placebo was published in the Annals of Internal Medicine in 2004 and it was entitled “Ciprofloxacin or Tamsulosin in Men with Chronic Prostatitis / Chronic Pelvic Pain Syndrome: A Randomized, Double-Blind Trial.”  The article notes that:

“Chronic prostatitis / chronic pelvic pain syndrome (CP/CPPS) is a common disorder and accounts for approximately 2 million visits to physicians annually in the United States.  The substantial impact of CP/CPPS includes bothersome lower urinary tract symptoms, sexual dysfunction, reduced quality of life, and increased health care expenditures.  The syndrome is diagnosed only on the basis of symptoms, principally pain or discomfort in the pelvis region.  No objective measures can help define the disease.  Although bacteria can infect the prostate, most men with prostatitis have a negative midstream urine culture, indicating that bacteria may not be the cause of their symptoms.”

“Because the cause of CP/CPPS is unknown, affected men receive many empirical therapies.  The 2 most common treatments prescribed by physicians are antimicrobial agents and a-adrenergic receptor antagonists, although there is little objective evidence to support their use.  Quinolones, such as ciprofloxacin, are commonly used to treat CP/CPPS because of their excellent penetration into the prostate and broad spectrum coverage for uropathogens and other organisms traditionally believed to be associated with the syndrome.” 

After completing a randomized, double-blind trial on men suffering from CP/CPPS, and comparing those who received ciprofloxacin, tamsulosin, a combination of both ciprofloxacin and tamsulosin, and a placebo, it was concluded that, “Ciprofloxacin and tamsulosin did not substantially reduce symptoms in men with long-standing CP/CPPS who had at least moderate symptoms.”

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Ciprofloxacin, and other antibiotics, are given to men with non-bacterial prostatitis for no good reason whatsoever.  They are often given long courses as well – 6 to 12 weeks of the drugs.  That’s a long enough course for many of the men who are given these drugs to cross their tolerance threshold for the drugs and get floxed.

If ciprofloxacin was effective at treating CP/CPPS, perhaps it would be worth the risk of getting floxed.  But ciprofloxacin isn’t effective at treating CP/CPPS.  It’s no more effective than a sugar pill and it is beyond ridiculous and wrong to expose men to a dangerous drug that doesn’t even help them.

CP/CPPS has been shown to be treatable through the techniques outlined in A Headache in the Pelvis: A new understanding and treatment for prostatitis and chronic pain syndromes.  The effective treatments include trigger point therapy and concomitant relaxation training.  More information about the treatments can be found in the article, “6-Day Intensive Treatment Protocol for Refractory Chronic Prostatitis/Chronic Pelvic Pain Syndrome Using Myofascial Release and Paradoxical Relaxation Training,” as well as on the web site http://www.pelvicpainhelp.com/.

Many symptoms of CP/CPPS, and other pelvic pain syndromes, react well to relaxation training and appear to be a response to stress and anxiety.  “Chronic pelvic pain reflects tension in the pelvic floor, initiated or exacerbated by cycles of mental tension, anxiety and stress.”  Pelvic pain syndromes are no more a choice than other bodily manifestations of stress such as heart attacks, back pain or tension headaches.  The pain is real and it is not “in the patient’s head.”  The brain is not separate from the body though, and what is going on in the head can have bodily manifestations.

The effects of ciprofloxacin, and other fluoroquinolones, on neurotransmitters may exacerbate CP/CPPS and other diseases related to stress and anxiety.  Fluoroquinolones block GABA-A receptors.  GABA receptors are the neurotransmitters that induce a calming response.  When GABA receptors are blocked by fluoroquinolones, anxiety, insomnia, fearfulness, loss of confidence, loss of self, psychiatric illness and even seizures can result.  Floxed patients often report being unable to relax, a reduced threshold for stress, autonomic nervous system dysfunction, and other symptoms of GABA neurotransmitter dysfunction.  Fluoroquinolones activate the sympathetic nervous system and disrupt the balance between the sympathetic and parasympathetic nervous systems.

If CP/CPPS is primarily a response to anxiety, stress and disregulation of the sympathetic/parasympthetic nervous systems, ciprofloxacin may not only fail to improve chronic pelvic pain conditions, it may exacerbate them.

Prescribing ciprofloxacin, or any other fluoroquinolone, to patients with chronic pain and non-bacterial prostatitis, is not only not helpful – IT IS HARMFUL, and may exacerbate the condition it is prescribed to treat.

Post-script note – Many people, especially elderly women, are given fluoroquinolones to treat asymptomatic urinary tract infections after a urinalysis shows bacteria in their urine.  It has recently been noted that URINE ISN’T STERILE.  And again, people are getting floxed for no good reason.

Sources:

A Headache in the Pelvis, a New, Revised, Expanded and Updated 6th Edition: A New Understanding and Treatment for Chronic Pelvic Pain Syndromes by David Wise and Rodney Anderson

Alexander RB, et al. “Ciprofloxacin or tamsulosin in men with chronic prostatitis/chronic pelvic pain syndrome: a randomized, double-blind trial.” Annals of Internal Medicine, 2004 Oct 19;141(8):581-9.

Anderson RU, et al. “6-day intensive treatment protocol for refractory chronic prostatitis/chronic pelvic pain syndrome using myofascial release and paradoxical relaxation training.” The Journal of Urology, 2011 Apr;185(4):1294-9. doi: 10.1016/j.juro.2010.11.076. Epub 2011 Feb 22.

“What is the mechanism by which the fluoroquinolone antibiotics (e.g., ciprofloxacin, gemifloxacin, levofloxacin, moxifloxacin) can increase a patient’s risk for developing a seizure or worsen epilepsy?Pharmacology Weekly, ©2008 – 2014 Pharmacology Weekly, Inc.

 

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11 thoughts on “Cipro is no better than a PLACEBO at treating chronic prostatitis / chronic pelvic pain syndrome

  1. Ms. A April 15, 2015 at 12:33 pm Reply

    Hope all the guys in the group read this!

  2. Joseph Anatra April 15, 2015 at 2:56 pm Reply

    This is EXACTLY waht happend to me!!! Thank you Lisa.

    • Lisa Bloomquist April 15, 2015 at 3:04 pm Reply

      I’m so sorry, Joseph! 😦 A LOT of men have been needlessly floxed after going through pelvic pain.

  3. tikvahshua April 17, 2015 at 12:18 pm Reply

    I am so glad that there are those that take the time to post things like this when they find them. Thank you !

  4. Mike L. April 20, 2015 at 12:47 pm Reply

    This was what got me as well. Urologist actually made the point that the antibiotic needed to be taken for 3 months which, in his words, “calls into question whether or not it is the antibiotic or time”. This didn’t stop him from prescribing me ciprofloxacin. I stopped taking the meds after about 10 days as the side effects became more noticable . The symptoms associated with the prostatits resolved themselves a few weeks later. The neuropathy has not… it has been 4 months now. I was fortunate and my symptoms are comparatively mild.

    • Jerhardt May 8, 2015 at 10:58 am Reply

      I posted alot more below, but I too am in your shoes. I’ll be 2 years out around September. My main symptoms were insomnia, acid reflux, and moderate muscle spasms and twitching. All of subsided except for the muscle twitching. It’s alot better than when I was 3-6 months out. At first you could see my entire bicep having spasams. These days it’s more like tingles and twitches with the occasional spasam. The twitches and tingles happen much less frequently too, sometimes I can’t remember the last time I had them.

      Best of luck to you and your PN issues. Hope you find some relief here, even if the relief is simply knowing that you are not alone.

  5. Jerhardt May 8, 2015 at 10:54 am Reply

    Same here, like Mike L. Took for about 28 days. During the course insomina started, acid reflux started, but I didn’t believe it was the antibiotics until I started reading. By then I only had 2 pills left.

    I was also prescribed an NSAID along side to ‘take as needed during the course’. I took one, and I felt like I was going to die. Entire body was weak. I guess my Urologist didn’t know about not mixing the two.

    My end result is random muscle spasams/twitching that is very annoying. It happens all over my body, and usually lasts just a few seconds to a few minutes. Mostly happens in my feet, arms, and backside. It’s not as bad as it was when my entire bicep was contracting on its own. My insomnia is gone, but I still don’t sleep like I used to. Some nights are better than others. My tendon cramping is gone, but I still have joint pain in my right jaw at times, my right shoulder at times, my right hip and my right ankle sometimes.

    I hope that the muscle twitching eventually goes away (I’ll be 2 years out come end of Sept..) but I don’t hold my breath. It’s just mildly distracting now and isn’t as bad as say 3 months out. The joint pain is somewhat less as well, and the acid reflux is gone and digestion seems to have normalized.

    I found that if I over exert myself (such is going to the gym) that the muscle twitching increases for a short time, and my insomnia comes back for a few nights.

    This was from being given a 30 day treatment, taking about 28 days plus a few NSAIDs.

  6. Richard Pyne March 17, 2016 at 4:37 am Reply

    Guys, anyone available to talk to me? Very distressed.

  7. Bill May 8, 2016 at 8:55 pm Reply

    Yep, I am a victim as well, was given Cipro for prostate issues. I have muscle issues with both arms and hands and both legs and buttocks. Took it for 3 weeks. I am wondering if there is a “safe” antibiotic as I am scheduled for a biopsy soon

  8. andshewasandstillis August 11, 2017 at 10:09 am Reply

    We need to start suing physicians over this.

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