Fluoroquinolones and Mercury Poisoning

Fluoroquinolones and Mercury Poisoning

I recently received a message from a floxie friend that raised an interesting question. My friend asked:

Have you ever heard that FQ antibiotics can release stored toxins like mercury into the body? It has been two years since Cipro for me, and one month ago they found out I am highly mercury poisoned. But before I took Cipro, I was okay. The doctors are guessing that I have been mercury poisoned for a long time but somehow it is showing up in my blood now. Since the symptoms of Cipro toxicity and mercury poisoning are about the same, I’m wondering if they’re related.”

Over the years, several people have raised the question of whether or not fluoroquinolone toxicity is related to mercury poisoning, but I hadn’t heard of test-documented increases in mercury levels after taking fluoroquinolones until my friend sent me the message above.

The symptoms of mercury poisoning are similar to those of fluoroquinolone toxicity. The symptoms of mercury poisoning are:

skin rashes and dermatitis; mood swings; memory loss; mental disturbances; muscle weakness; nervousness, irritability, and other emotional changes; insomnia; headache; abnormal sensations; muscle twitching; tremors; decreased cognitive functions; peripheral neuropathy and more.

According to Dr. Thomas Nissen, “ Symptoms of mercury toxicity are many and varied, since mercury can both reach and affect nearly every cell in the body! Systemic (overall) effects can occur for this reason. The particular symptoms you experience first depend on your own genetic weakest links and on other toxic suppressors.”

Similarity of symptoms does not necessarily mean that two disorders are one in the same. For example, Chronic Lyme Disease and AIDS have similar symptoms, but that doesn’t mean they’re the same diseases. But it’s still interesting to explore the possibility of fluoroquinolone toxicity being related to mercury poisoning.

I searched for journal articles about the effects of quinolones on mercury. Unfortunately, I didn’t find much information. Most of the information I have is anecdotal and stems from me attempting to understand fluoroquinolone toxicity (with zero background in biochemistry), so please take this information for what it’s worth.

Fluoroquinolones have been documented to chelate magnesium and iron from cells. I wonder if mercury in the body is bound by these minerals, and then gets released into the body when the fluoroquinolone chelates the necessary mineral from the body (or when the quinolone binds to the mineral, stealing it from whatever it’s currently bound to).

Dr. Nissen points out that mercury can displace other minerals in the body, and that mineral displacement can cause serious health problems:

Replacement reactions, also called fight for site, occur when mercury (usually with a +2 charge) grabs the biological spaces which should be filled by necessary minerals. Symptoms that can be caused by a deficiency of minerals displaced by mercury include:

  • Magnesium: irregular heartbeat, receding gums
  • Iron: anemia
  • Copper: anemia, thyroid dysfunction, impaired digestion
  • Zinc: anorexia nervosa, loss of taste and smell, loss of appetite, low libido, PMS
  • Iodine: thyroid dysfunction”

For floxies, I wonder if the fluoroquinolone begins the cycle of mineral replacement. Fluoroquinolones chelate minerals, then mercury binds to the site that was vacated by the mineral, then mercury toxicity leads to chronic health conditions.

There are many “drug muggers” out there – drugs that deplete vital minerals and nutrients from the body. I wonder if all the drugs that deplete necessary minerals from the body are opening people up to mercury poisoning.

There are a variety of factors that determine how well one’s body can deal with mercury. Genetic factors such as MTHFR mutations (which play a role in determining how well a person deals with toxins) certainly play a role, as do an individual’s antioxidant levels. Many floxies have MTHFR mutations, and fluoroquinolones have also been shown to deplete glutathione and other antioxidants. Some floxies, including Richard and the author of Say Friend and Enter, have dealt with mercury poisoning issues as well as fluoroquinolone toxicity issues. Obviously, people who suffer from fluoroquinolone toxicity are less adept at metabolizing and clearing fluoroquinolones than those who take Cipro, Levaquin and Avelox without ill effects. Perhaps floxies are less able to handle other toxins, including heavy metals, as well.

There are a variety of mercury detoxification protocols that you can find online. Dr. Mercola’s protocol seems like a good place to start – http://www.mercola.com/article/mercury/detox_protocol.htm. He suggests:

  1. Avoid sugar, milk, grains and processed foods
  2. Eat foods that increase glutathione
  3. Take probiotics and eat probiotic rich foods
  4. Supplement magnesium
  5. Supplement chlorella
  6. Supplement MSM
  7. Eat garlic and cilantro
  8. Supplement minerals
  9. Make sure that you have sufficient hydrochloric acid levels to absorb minerals from your food
  10. Supplement vitamins C and E
  11. DMPS therapy

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Please note that chelation therapies (DMPS) can be dangerous and they should not be done without the direct supervision of a doctor. They can be hard on the kidneys, so they should also not be done unless absolutely necessary. Be careful, please!

As I noted earlier, this post is about possible connections, not established facts. Fluoroquinolones are not documented to have anything to do with mercury toxicity according to the journals I could find. The symptoms of fluoroquinolone toxicity and mercury poisoning are similar though, and given that fluoroquinolones have been documented to have profound effects on cellular mineral homeostasis, I think that it’s a hypothesis that’s worth exploring.

Post-script – If anyone reading this gets their mercury levels tested, please let me know what the tests say – I’m quite curious. Thank you!

Post-post-script – I wanted to point out some comments that Jason recently made on the floxie hope home-page about mercury. He has done extensive research on the topic and what he has to say is certainly valuable:

Toxic Metals and other Toxic substances (like Cipro…) are a HUGE issue, and as I guess you have gathered a mouth full of Mercury is bad situation to be in, and a major potential cause of Brain Fog and many many more issues for someone. This can be grossly exaggerated with someone with a MTHFR Gene issue, since they will NOT be able to detox Metals, Fluorides, Chlorine’s, and all the other Toxic Waste/Toxic Metals/Chemicals that we are subjected to on a daily basis properly, thus they will build up in the body and make the person more and more unwell. Since you are in the USA, for $99 the 23andme test is definitely a “no-brainer” in my opinion if you have not done it already, to find out if you do have these issues or not, on top of potentially being toxic in Mercury and other Metals.

Pretty much every living person has a toxic burden, Metals, Halides, and more; many people are able to keep it low enough to be healthy because their Methylation pathway works properly, actively detox, etc but others are not so lucky, and are even more unlucky if they do not realize this is the cause of most/all their issues. There was a whole bunch of discussion on Genes and the 23andme test last page starting from post 2 if you are interested in finding out more about this important part of someone’s health.

I would suggest to find a good ND, but be very careful with “Challenge Tests”. Many of them will want to give you a dose of DMSA or something else like DMPS, EDTA, etc and often the doses are VERY big, and quite dangerous (a big dose will ensure high levels show up on test, ensuring more money for them since you will “need” treatment = dangerous greed tactic). DMSA will mobilize several toxins in the body all at once, and if a person’s toxic load is large enough the body will not be able to handle all the poison being in the system at one time, and terrible damage can result. If you google Andy Cutler you will see he recommends not doing a challenge test at all, many people are following his advice and his Protocol for detoxing the body of Metals, he believes it needs to be done is slow safe fashion, which makes sense to me.

I myself am a little torn on the “testing issue”. I had a hair test done for Metals and Minerals which is what many people recommend you do to find out your toxic load. The things is it does NOT give you the whole picture, it is really telling you what the body is “expelling”, it is NOT telling you what your body is potentially harboring, since many of the Metals are hidden/stored in the body in Fat Cells, like the Brain, and if not mobilized they just sit there and screw you over, and will not come out in the hair, thus your hair test could say you are “low” in Uranium, or Nickel, but in fact you are not low, you are just not efficiently expelling/detoxing it at the time of the test. However, if the test shows you are high in something, there is a good chance you are actually too high and your body is trying to detox the excess of which some of it ends up in the hair. So these levels that show up, are somewhat dependent on if someone has a Methylation issue also, since poor Methylators are poor detoxer’s potentially skewing the results.

Having said all that, it is one of the best tests to do for this, and highly recommended to do regardless to find out what your Mineral profile looks like, though I still think there might be some viability of a “safe challenge test”, which would be as described above only with a smaller safer amount of a Chelator given right before a Urine test. Yet the reliability of the Hair test for Minerals is too somewhat questionable, out of the 100 or so labs around the USA that do these tests, 98 of them WASH the hair before doing the test. The trouble with this is many of the Minerals are water soluble, so washing the hair with a mild detergent and acetate like most do can skew the results of many of the Minerals. Google “Dr. Wilson Hair Test” and you will see more of what I am talking about. You will also find recommended ND’s on his site that use the one good lab in the USA that do not wash the hair.

This is all my opinion, one that is shared but none-the-less where I stand on the whole thing. I apologize for not giving a “Clear” solution, but this is frankly because in my opinion there isn’t one. As a result, for many years I did “nothing”, I now regret this and don’t recommend that course of action either. For yourself, my unprofessional recommendation is to “not” have a challenge test done, especially with Mercury still in your mouth, also do NOT take any chelators, and avoid Cilantro too, as this crosses the Blood Brain Barrier and taking this can bring Metal from the Mouth/Body right into the Brain. Doing the Hair test is a good idea, it will give you at least some idea on what is going on in your body, and if we are to believe Dr. Wilson, a VERY good idea, he has written a very long book on Hair Tests (his Mentor invented the idea) and how to interpret them, one I wish I had, but there is a lot of info on his website and ARL Labs website (the one he recommends) about how to interpret the results, and a good ND will hopefully be educated on these methodologies. Regardless of the results, if you can afford it if I was you I would find a good Huggins Dentist (trained in removing Mercury fillings safely) asap and start getting those removed. I had one that was “cracked”, and have no doubt it has caused me issues. Good luck, if you do have a heavy toxic load please be patient in its removal.

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I think the most popular is the Andy Cutler Protocol, which is a very slow/safe but PITA method, and uses synthetic Amino Acid Chelators DMSA, DMPS and also ALA all in small doses on a very strict time schedule due to their half lives. Lots of info on net about this you will see, chelators are bought from company out of Africa IIRC, there is a good Yahoo support group/forum where people answer questions etc (poorly organized unfortunately)

There are some others of note, and some are opposed to Cutler method such as Dr. Lawrence Wilson http://drlwilson.com/articles/chelation.htm (very good website with a TON of info on everything health). EDTA can be used, Dr. Mercola has made some suggestions like using Cilantro and others, funny enough Cutler warns against using EDTA and Cilantro, for potentially valid reasons, confusing the issue further. 😦

I think the best course of action for someone depends on many things. Do they still have Mercury fillings? Do they have the MTHFR & other mutations in their Genes? (found out with 23andme test) How big is their toxic load?

The first course of action is always to get fillings removed safely, and then getting a Hair metal/mineral test done. To me getting the 23andme test for $99 should be done too, for reasons I noted on FH. Then with that done, and with that information a suitable course of action can be recommended (I sound like a bluddy Naturopath here….) If someone has a huge toxin burden, I think the Cutler method makes sense, but the MTHFR could complicate this. If someone is moderately toxic, Cutler method might still be good, or a combination of ideas might be good enough, again depending on the MTHFR issue. If someone is only mildly toxic, they should for sure address the MTHFR issues first and foremost, which would help the body alleviate the burden on it’s own (of course with a MTHFR issue someone is likely NOT going to have small burden, depending on their age and exposures of course). Also with smaller toxic burden, things like Cilantro, Wheat Grass and regular exercise and Saunas should be enough to bring the burden down, assuming they limit their future exposures.

I hope that helps, unfortunately the waters are a little muddy on this, not unlike Cipro poisoning.

Just a final note that these are only my “untrained” opinions. Toxic load is a serious wide-spread issue, causes very serious health issues, and removal has to be taken very seriously and not “toyed” with, someone needs to put their trust in a professional or do a whole lot of research. There are many complicating factors, such as Candida overgrowth (something DMSA potentially stimulates), MTHFR & other Genes, current past/health problems of the person and things like condition of Liver/Kidney’s, Cancer, FQ toxicity, etc. (Emphasis added by Lisa.)

I also forgot to mention Spirulina & Chlorella, although I did mention Dr. Mercola, and this is 2 things he advocates. They are also something Dr. Sircus recommends (along with a few others, see link), here is a good article on the whole topic here: http://drsircus.com/medicine/essentials-natural-chelation

He actually gives a LOT of accurate advice in this article in my opinion, like his notes on ALA which are important, and note what he says about Magnesium too, which applies 10 fold to a Floxie with Heavy Metals. He notes that some studies found Chlorella on its own, did not seem to chelate anything effectively. However when used with Cilantro, it does, and this makes perfect sense to me because Cilantro is a “mobilizer”, it irritates the Metals stored and Chlorella is a “binder”, it is extremely absorbent and will bind to Metals to help them exit the body and not be “re-absorbed” once they are mobile, which is critical. Done wrong, the Metals from one area can mobilize and then be re-absorbed in other areas causing great oxidative damage like to the Brain.

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51 thoughts on “Fluoroquinolones and Mercury Poisoning

  1. Jason August 21, 2015 at 8:19 am Reply

    HI Lisa. A very important topic and good article on it. I posted one more reply on FH homepage that is relevant so will copy & paste it here. Also in reading the article I have more thoughts on how the 2 are directly related.

    First here is the comment:

    Concerning Metal Detox and FQ Toxicity directly, I think this is a VERY delicate matter indeed. The body is already overwhelmed with Chemical & Fluoride poisons from the FQ pills taken, and damaged from them as well. It is my opinion that adding a Metal Detoxification protocol to this burden is not a good idea at all.

    Many variables here of course, like how far along someone is, but my unprofessional opinion is someone should try to detox the body first from the FQ Toxicity, with Iodine in particular and even Borax/Boron, also exercise, Saunas and massage, using Antioxidants and things like Activated Charcoal and Chorella, Magnesium and much more to soak up the mobilized toxins to help them exit and support the body. (and how and when this is done largely depends on where someone is in their FQ recovery, and how bad off they are. I’ve posted more details about this in past posts). Once a person has removed these toxins, either through sheer time, or more assertively through methods mentioned, and is 85-90% healed or more from FQ Toxcitity, and is sure their Liver and Kidney’s are in good condition, only then would I attempt a Metal Detox. Done too soon, the added burden to a Floxie’s body could be just too much to bear.

    As for just removing Metal Fillings, if it were me, I think what I would do as a Floxie is wait until either: I am 75% healed OR until at least one year has passed from taking the FQ pills and not currently having a relapse, whichever comes first.

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    Now in reply to your interesting article, my opinion is the two are not “directly” related, in one matter of speaking. As you point out, many malaise’s share the same symptoms, and as far as we know there is no Mercury in a FQ pill, so just to clarify that if someone is a “Floxie” it doesn’t “necessarily” mean they have a large Metal toxic load, which includes Mercury. I should note too, that Mercury is only one of many; Lead, Arsenic, Aluminum, Uranium, Cadmium, these are also highly toxic and most people have a combination of several, including Floxies long before they are Floxed.

    This brings up the other aspect to the topic as you discussed, “could taking FQ pills actually mobilize Mercury and thus make someone even more ill”? Yes probably no research on this topic, here are my thoughts: The first problem with the Cipro drug is it is laced with Fluorine, this is a highly toxic and extremely reactive element, which is in part why it is so toxic, it’s high reactivity, one of the most reactive elements on the Planet. There is no telling just how many reactions this causes in the body, but we do know some; Magnesium displacement is a known Fluoride reaction, it also displaces/reacts with Iodine (which is why in my opinion these 2 things are needed to get rid of the Fluorine/Fluoride out of the body, and iodine displacement/depletion can cause you Thyroid issues among others) Calcium and Aluminum, As far as I know, it does not react with Mercury directly and or as strongly as it does with these I noted, however that does not mean it doesn’t, and given its highly reactive nature it very well could even if that is indirectly as you noted through Mineral displacement. So if those notes from Dr. Nissen are correct it would seem Mercury might indirectly be affected from FQ’s through Iodine and Magnesium reactions, thus potentially mobilizing Mercury. For clarification even if true this does not mean someone is more Mercury toxic than they already were, it just means that the Mercury that was already inside them got “mobilized”, potentially adding to the body burden, and could cause it to show up on a Hair, Blood or Urine test much in the same way it would if you did a “challenge test”. If this is true, it just stresses the importance for any Floxie that especially when newly Floxed (regardless of Metals, but even more so) they should be taking several Anti-oxidants and several “binders” such as Chorella, Activated Charcoal, Benonite Clay, etc.

    One more note on Floxies, Slow recovery and Metals. These 3 things “can” be directly related in my opinion, especially if someone has the MTHFR Gene and other mutations that directly affect the Methylation pathway. Methylation is very important for many things, here is a quick summary (not a full list):

    – Repairing and Building DNA & RNA
    – Glutathione synthesis and Detoxification
    – Controlling Inflammation
    – Myelination (This is NERVE related!)
    – DNA Silencing
    – Energy Production
    – Immune function
    – Metal Detoxification
    – Digestive issues
    – Membrane fluidity
    – Homocysteine metabolism
    – Gene expression,
    – Cardiovascular health
    – Protein Activity
    – Cancer prevention
    – Neurotransmitter balance
    and more.

    I think you can see here, why in my opinion its possible first that many Floxies might have the MTHFR Gene, and second why those that take the longest time to heal might even have the Mutation from BOTH parents, which is much worse, and means they are Methylating at only 10 – 30% vs. one Gene at 60-75% (numbers depend on other Genes). Even someone with only one MTHFR mutation, so they are hetero+- vs homo++, if they have a couple other Mutations this can really hinder their Methylation. Apparently it is estimated that 40% of the population are “under Methylator’s”!!!! People that are “homo ++” are often people with Autism, Chronic Fatigue, Fibo, ME, etc and I think you can see why, they are simply too toxic in many cases, their DNA repairs are much slower, etc.

    So if someone has any of the important Gene Mutations, it is very likely they are harboring larger than “normal” amounts of Heavy Metals, will likely be Floxed easier than a “normal” person and will detox and heal much slower than a normal person as well. Thus the importance of Gene test and addressing it accordingly.

    For a comprehensive look deep into Genes & Methylation please google “Autism Pathways to Recovery”. An amazing in depth free book by Amy Yasko a Dr. that has pioneered much of the research. This whole Gene topic really deserves its own article for sure.

    This is all of course my unprofessional opinion

  2. Bonnie Jacobus August 21, 2015 at 8:34 am Reply

    Lisa, I’d like to tell my story. How do I do this?

  3. Linda Livingston August 21, 2015 at 9:44 am Reply

    Hmmm. Had a test for mercury last year since I was eating a lot of canned tuna (no more) and my levels were very good. Maybe I better retest. The good thing is, out of your list of 11, Lisa, I am already doing the first 10, so at least that is comforting. Thanks for the info.

    • Lisa Bloomquist August 21, 2015 at 10:06 am Reply

      Thanks for letting us know, Linda! I think that a lot more data needs to be gathered before we know whether or not there is even an anecdotal association. Your results help with those efforts!

  4. Bob Paddock August 21, 2015 at 9:48 am Reply

    http://www.kpaddock.com/doku.php/bpaddock/mercury

    My own personal experience with mercury poisoning.

    • Lisa Bloomquist August 21, 2015 at 10:07 am Reply

      Thank you, Bob!

    • Linda Livingston August 21, 2015 at 10:36 am Reply
      • Jason August 21, 2015 at 11:35 am Reply

        Yeah Barrett is the biggest Quack of all, though at times there are bits and pieces of his info that are legit, unfortunately those are always overshadowed with his slanted opinions to downright in lies at times, likely due to being a paid BP shill.

        Linda don’t forget what I mentioned about “Hidden Metals” (or maybe that is what has you thinking not sure). Some will NOT show up on tests, they are buried deep in the body, and will only come out if actively “provoked”, hence the name “challenge” or “provoked test”, but note the dangers I mentioned with them.

        Here is another interesting opinion on this, and another way to look at how to analyze a hair test to determine hidden Metals:

        http://drlwilson.com/articles/POOR%20ELIMINATOR.htm

        I’m pretty sure my low Mercury amount is too good to be true on my test, I have not had time to properly analyze this yet too many other health fires, like extreme Copper Toxicity and Adrenal Fatigue just for starters… 😦

        • Bob Paddock August 21, 2015 at 12:02 pm

          Only accurate test is urine after a chelation challenge.

        • Linda Livingston August 21, 2015 at 12:35 pm

          Yes, I am assuming he is paid by someone in the chemical field. as for metals–at this point I am pretty overwhelmed with what I am doing. all that is on a backburner for now, but thanks

    • Jason August 21, 2015 at 11:37 am Reply

      Bob I don’t think you exactly specified what you did to heal, can you elaborate a bit?

      You did IV’s? Which and how many for how long?

      You took pills as well? Which and how many, how long?

      TIA for sharing with all

      • Bob Paddock August 22, 2015 at 2:41 pm Reply

        First I had a Clifford Materials Reactivity Test done. You need to make sure what you are going to put in is worse for you than what you are taking out. Even tests the glues used etc. I was reactive to everything but Gold and some strange plastic composites I got the plastic.

        Next I had the fillings removed and replace a quadrant at a time with a six month gap between each sitting. Take them out to fast and you destroy your kidneys. So it took two years.

        The IV Chelation every other week for a few months.

        Finally four EXPENSIVE Chelation pills to get it out of my brain. $235 for four pills 20+ years ago, probably add a zero for those four pills today.

        • Tom August 23, 2015 at 4:43 am

          Hi Bob. That is interesting, I too wonder which IV or IV’s they were giving you, and especially which pills they gave you. I have a head full of Metal as well, I could not imagine only taking 4 pills to try and extract it, that would be quite a dump all at once I think even after the IV’s!

        • Bob Paddock August 23, 2015 at 6:05 am

          Brain has limited storage volume. That is why it is done last because of the ‘dump’ process. Standard pills given for Lead Poisoning.

          I do not recall what they or the IV were. I know it was the standard stuff of the day.

  5. ursula August 30, 2015 at 7:15 am Reply
    • Linda Livingston August 30, 2015 at 10:32 am Reply

      Grrrr. So angry to read “the FDA had “stacked” the panel with professors from dental schools.” The FDA is a travesty. You’ve got the head of the food arm, who used to be with Monsanto, and the top commissioner, while at Duke at most of his salary underwritten by Merck and other pharmaceutical companies. It is a travesty. It needs to be scrapped and rebuilt, because right now all the foxes are watching the henhouse.

      Glad she mentioned the Huggins training. If there is anyone on this site who is in Ventura or santa barbara counties in CA, I have a great Huggins-trained dentist for you.

  6. Leo Cashman October 27, 2015 at 8:31 pm Reply

    Dear Lisa,
    Mercury isn’t going to come springing forth from Cipro, because mercury isn’t in Cipro. But Cipro can produce tremendous oxidative stress, depleting glutathione for example and other key nutrients, and making the patient less able to detoxify mercury (found in those dental amalgam fillings), making all such sources of mercury more dangerous and harmful. many such synergies have been observed – mercury + lead, mercury + aluminum, mercury + fluoride (arguably) and, since Cipro is a source of fluoride poisoning with a fungal overgrowth kick to it, we have a plausible explanation.
    As for better mercury testing, put away the hair test and use the Quicksilver Scientific Tri-test for a more sophisticated and safe test. Quicksilver has good, natural detox product based on better science, the science of today, and we should remain mired in the low dose chelation protocols of the 1990s. If you to see short articles on any of these topics, e-mail at DAMS INC at dams@usfamily.net. Call DAMS at 651-644-4572 if you wish.
    DAMS, Dental Amalgam Mercury Solutions, is a 501c3 non-profit that has been around for the past 25 years. – Leo Cashman, Executive Director

    • Lisa Bloomquist October 28, 2015 at 6:34 am Reply

      Hi Leo,

      Thank you very much for your comment! Fluoroquinolones interfere with CYP450 1A2 pathways and make detoxification more difficult, and they also chelate vital minerals, like iron and magnesium, from cells. It is possible that fluoroquinolone toxicity is related to mercury toxicity. I do think that other possibilities are more likely though.

      You mentioned the synergy between mercury and fluoride. Fluoroquinolones are fluorinated. Here is an interesting article that I highly recommend – http://www.earthclinic.com/news/why-the-us-should-ban-fluoride-in-drinking-water-by-jason-uttley.html#jason

      Best regards,
      Lisa

    • Jason November 3, 2015 at 8:33 am Reply

      Hi Leo. If you have some proof or studies that show that Mercury is not mobilized by Mineral displacement, or is not bound to other Minerals in the body and thus can be mobilized when they themselves are displaced, we would all love to see them.

      Also if you read the first reply to this article, I bring up some other points on why your first sentence could very likely be half wrong. Yes as far as we know Cipro does not have Mercury in it, however, taking Cipro might very well displace Mercury and cause it to mobilize, due to Fluorine (one of the most reactive substances on Earth) reactions from the Cipro which you partially acknowledge AND/OR as Lisa put forth in the article from Mineral displacement.

      I know you are likely not aware of this bit of info but you might find it interesting. Many “Floxies”, people that have taken the Cipro drug, suffer for a long time and then recover. During this time, they go through “Cycles” of healing, and of more suffering, they seem to be improving, and then wham they are suffering again. Some people recover almost fully, or seemingly fully, and then can be healthy for a long time, even many years like 5 or 6 years, but then Relapse. Some of these Cycles and Relapses, are WORSE than the initial poisoning. Now we don’t have hard evidence as of yet on why this happens, but I think you see here what my opinion is on this is, the Cipro toxins are stored in the body just like all other toxins, and are likely stored in the same places. What do you think happens when you put all this together? Seems pretty obvious doesn’t it, given the properties of Metals, Minerals, Fluoride, and how they all interact with each other.

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      As for the claims about Quicksilver, thank you for bringing this to our attention, it looks very interesting indeed on the surface and warrants further research on their tests and products, hopefully Lisa will email you for more info and you or Lisa will post the links to such articles and info here.

      • Leo Cashman November 7, 2015 at 12:37 pm Reply

        Dear Jason,

        I think my point was that we have to be careful about making blatantly untrue statements about mercury and Cipro, so as to not undermine our credibility. If we say that Cipro contains mercury, which is untrue, that undermines our credibility. On the other hand, many people carry a mercury body burden of mercury, including inorganic mercury, as from dental amalgam mercury fillings, and organic mercury, as from fish (methyl) and vaccines (ethyl). You are right to say that fluorine /fluoride is a highly reactive element and is a big trouble maker in the body in many ways, so its presence would likely exacerbate mercury toxicity issues. Boyd Haley, PhD, has studied the “synergies” of mercury with other toxins such as lead, cadmium, aluminum, etc. and many toxics and some other things like testosterone and some anti-biotics act synergistically to increase the toxic effects of mercury. Since Cipro is an anti-biotic, that alone would be a reason to suspect a synergy with mercury, but that hasn’t been tested by Haley.
        As Haley has explained in his many lectures, one way that mercury causes mischief is by knocking other metals off of their binding sites in the brain and elsewhere, thus causing them to become dangerous free radicals, harming the brain. These would be such metals as iron and copper, which are quite toxic and damaging when on the loose as free radicals.
        To my knowledge, interactions between mercury and fluoride have been little studied and, for example, I don’t know of any controlled animal studies where both toxins have been studied in a controlled way. For that matter, Cipro could be administered to lab animals who have mercury burden, and to those who do not. There are many interesting studies that we could propose. The synergy between aluminum and fluoride is very chilling, as published by Anna Stunecka and others, linking that combination to brain damage and dementia and that along would be a reason to halt water fluoridation and the widespread exposures we are getting to fluoride. Instead, the public is being bathed in a sea of ignorance.
        -Leo Cashman, Executive Director, DAMS 651-644-4572

        • Lisa Bloomquist November 9, 2015 at 8:50 am

          Hi Leo,

          Thank you very much for your comments! I really appreciate the feedback.

          Fluoroquinolones DO NOT contain mercury. I re-read what I wrote to make sure that I didn’t say that they did.

          There are many potential mechanisms for fluoroquinolone toxicity. Here is a summary of them that I wrote a few months ago – http://www.hormonesmatter.com/fluoroquinolone-toxicity/. I think that all of those are more likely mechanisms than the hypothesis mentioned above – that the disruption of mineral homeostasis by fluoroquinolones opens the door for mercury toxicity. And even if there is something to my hypothesis, it would still need to be tested to be proven, and I certainly don’t have the means to do that.

          Please interpret the post as musings about a potential, convoluted relationship. I thought that I tried to be cautious with the wording of it, but maybe I should have been more cautious.

          I want there to be a lot more testing done on fluoroquinolones. How they affect homeostasis of all minerals in the body is something that should be looked at given the fact that studies have shown that they chelate magnesium and iron from cells. What are the down-stream effects of that? Could it affect mercury levels? Maybe…. I’m not sure. It’s just a thought.

          Best regards,
          Lisa

        • Jason November 12, 2015 at 2:09 am

          Hi Leo. Ah ok, I think I may have noticed what you did as well looking back at my initial reply to this article at the top, as I made a slightly similar comment.

          Yeah I am highly suspicious of why people get “worse relapses”, brand new symptoms they never experienced before, etc as I mentioned, and I’ve researched Fluorine/Fluoride a lot, and this looks like the probable culprit as I outlined in that first reply. Getting into the body, reacting and binding with different Elements and Metals there, in some cases forming new toxins, only later to be mobilized by exercise or other means (exercise is known to mobilize Fluoride stores)

          Fluorine is not the only one though, Mercury as you point out, and many other Elements cause this “mischief” you are referring to, all reacting to/with each other and/or displace each other as I’m sure you know, like taking Zinc or Molybdenum to displace Copper, Fluoride binding with Magnesium, etc etc, its one big balancing act in many regards, but also a sh*t storm when reactive oxidative toxins are introduced, and the basis of why I suspect what I do.

          Drinking water is truly criminal, foods are no better thanks to FDA sleeping with Monsantos and other like entities.

          This is interesting, noting Mercury binding with Halides like Fluoride, unfortunately it does not give the basis of how this was derived, but some searching reveals that indeed Mercury and Fluorine unsurprisingly react with each other (I would bet there isn’t a lot Fluorine “doesn’t” react with)

          http://www.chm.bris.ac.uk/webprojects2004/hooper/reactions.htm

          There is also HgF4 produced by the reaction of elemental mercury with fluorine

  7. Jason November 3, 2015 at 9:13 am Reply

    Zeolites, long postulated to remove Heavy Metals from the body, might in fact NOT do it at all.

    I was emailed some breaking news today on Zeolites. I have mentioned them a couple of times in the past, and even have some myself. It always was a somewhat controversial supplement (like Silver) because it itself CONTAINS Lead, Aluminum, Arsenic among other things, the claims by manufacturers are that those things do NOT get digested however, and that the “cage-like” structure of the Zeolite traps Metals, which I found some evidence of before. Health Canada the “regulatory” body in Canada, did remove some Zeolites from the shelves before, but not all of them yet, I don’t think, because they disagreed with the manufacturers as their tests showed those things “could” be digested, but it’s very hard to prove as you might imagine, and the manufacturers “seemed” to have some evidence to the contrary and some of their claims were convincing with this.

    “Words” are cheap, but here is what one manufacturer said when I confronted him about the Health Canada recall: “Zeolite is a volcanic mineral which means it has almost every element in it. However, because it is a compound that doesn’t break down in the body, it remains intact and doesn’t release any of them. The scientists from Health Canada agreed with our scientific assessment including the scientific documents and studies proving it that we have be doing over the last 15 years. However, because they are a bureaucratic government agency, they would only accept the way that they test products which is to expose it to a high content hydrochloric acid (much stronger than is in your stomach) to break down the compound to see what is in it. That is not accurate since the mineral compound doesn’t break down during digestion and remains intact. They said although they agree with us, they couldn’t go outside protocol.” Of course, I never got any of the studies he mentions from him…..

    Well now someone in the Health Industry I follow just released his own lab results showing that Zeolites do NOT capture Metals in simulated Human Digestion. Thousands of people have been consuming these products, hundreds of sellers are selling them, and many hundreds more of alternative Doctors, Naturopaths, and websites have been promoting them for MANY YEARS, and maybe all unknowingly under false pretenses!

    http://www.naturalnews.com/051805_zeolite_myths_heavy_metals_removal_daily_detox.html

    While we don’t know for sure how verifiable these results are, it seems to be enough to give a very large pause, before ever ingesting Zeolites. The “Health Ranger” created this “Lab” of his about a year ago, and has tested many many products, foods, etc over this time which “seems” to provide fairly accurate and verifiable results. Without someone else doing the same studies, we really don’t know how truly accurate they might be.

    For now I have emailed the manufacturer I bought it from this info and link, and asked them to provide me with studies showing the contrary. Let’s see what they say. I did a large amount of research on this before, and found a little “evidence” on the benefits, and that the Zeolite itself would not be digested, but this could be a classic example of just not enough verifiable info was available, not enough 3rd party studies being done etc.

    This is very unfortunate if true, thousands of people have been taking this, and many of them have reported feeling better too! Placebo? Seems unlikely given how Metal Toxicity makes someone feel, I don’t get that part.

    Final note, I have a friend who has done MUCH more research than I have on this, 3 years of constant research, and she sent me a ton of info on all this. I emailed her straight away, and she is still convinced the Zeolites are good, and the Health Ranger has some shortcomings in his test. The Saga continues….

    • Jason November 3, 2015 at 9:17 am Reply

      Here is the recall from Health Canada, note it is only for one brand, and given the childish defensive replies I got from the company when confronted about it, I tend to think that their Zeolite IS of poor quality and Health Canada might be right.

      http://healthycanadians.gc.ca/recall-alert-rappel-avis/hc-sc/2014/42791r-eng.php

      Health Canada is similar to the FDA, BUT, it appears, much less corrupt, and I think they still do “care” about people’s Health to some degree. Sadly though, Canada is like a “lost puppy” when it comes to many things, including Health laws, and HC WILL follow the FDA’s lead on things, like drugs and supplements, and are still very likely paid off by BP too.

  8. Ana January 16, 2016 at 8:05 pm Reply

    This is very interesting. My Functional Medicine nurse practitioner agreed to a heavy metals test as I was concerned about mercury fillings and had symptoms possibly related to a mercury problem. (Was also floxed with Cipro in November 2013.) Tested for heavy metals in November 2015. Both of us got a big surprise when the results came back. The mercury and all the others except one were in the green area of the graph. One bar was way over past the middle of the red….surprise…I have lead poisoning! Not at all sure where or when the lead exposure occurred. It’s still a mystery. In the process of getting the lead out.

    • Linda January 16, 2016 at 8:16 pm Reply

      wow…you’re not near Flint are you? Maybe have your water tested?

    • Albert Wilking March 19, 2016 at 4:51 am Reply

      How were you tested for mercury? If you have mercury fillings you are mercury poisoned. You may not have accumulated much mercury, and your body may have an effective method of disposing of it, but your body energy is going into dealing with the deadly poison.
      https://www.facebook.com/events/1155702144477772/

    • Jason May 27, 2016 at 1:51 am Reply

      Albert is right. The test a Functional Medical Doctor would have gave would NOT be accurate for Mercury (likely a Urine test) ONLY the Hair Test can give a more accurate reading, AND it is NOT from the Mercury that shows, but from the deranged mineral profile that appears with Mercury toxic people. I highly suggest you get a Hair Test

  9. Albert Wilking March 19, 2016 at 4:48 am Reply

    Our body microbiomes have very delicate balances. One course of antibiotics could turn the bacteria in the gastrointestinal tract from predominantly aerobic to anaerobic bacteria. Anaerobic bacteria are fermenting cells and they feed predominantly on sugars. There are 10 times more bacteria in our bodies than our own cells, thus when we have cravings for foods, let’s say chocolate or a sweet treat, it is our body’s microbiome commanding us to feed it what it needs to survive. Some anaerobes incorporate mercury into their cell structures, and in the case of candida or even spirochetes from lyme, these bacteria and protozoans are suspending the mercury and protecting the organs of the body from becoming mercury toxic. If a very effective antibacterial rapidly kills off large amounts of cells suspending the mercury, the body can have a severe adverse reaction. In the lyme disease world this is called a herxheimers response, but it really should be called mercury poisoning.

    • Jason April 29, 2016 at 11:21 am Reply

      Hi Albert. That is very interesting, I have heard this before about Candida many years ago even but not Lyme, but in both cases I still wonder is there studies to back this up?

      • Leo Cashman April 29, 2016 at 6:09 pm Reply

        Dear Jason and all,
        Dr Mark Hyman’s presentation is good for the most part, especially for beginners, but he does not give the right information about testing. Quicksilver Scientific uses blood testing as part of its Tri-test for mercury and gets a handle on the body burden of mercury by testing in the blood for each kind of mercury – inorganic and organic – separately. See the web site http://www.QuicksilverScientific.com for more details. Use of DMPS or DMSA for chelation challenge testing is unnecessarily risky and, in my opinion, obsolete because the Tri-test is safe and gives more information. Chris Shade, PhD, is the real guru we have today along with Boyd Haley, PhD.
        As to mechanisms of harm, both Haley and Shade are best at explaining that. Haley has explained many times that mercury’s mechanism of harm in the brain is mainly that it knocks metals like iron and copper off of their binding sites on proteins, allowing them to run amok in the brain as dangerous free radicals, causing a lot of damage. This doesn’t downplay the toxicity of mercury in any way; it just explains the mechanism.
        Not much has been studied about the synergy between mercury and fluoride and they are very different, chemically, since fluoride is a non-metal, but it stands to reason that each of these powerful poisons will enhance the damage done by the other.
        What has been studied and scientifically studied are the devastating effects of aluminum with fluoride and that alumino-fluoride complex promotes dementia and kidney damage, as isaacson et al have published in 1998 and Strunecka and al have published since then.

        • Jason May 27, 2016 at 2:09 am

          Hi Leo. I agree about the Video and the testing etc, people here are beginners and this was meant as a starting point for them. I also agree that challenge tests are dangerous and believe I pointed that out in the article above and/or comments.

          As for QuickSilver which I have learnt MUCH more about in recent months, unfortunately Dr. Shady is running that whole operation in a very greedy and dangerous fashion with Protocols that are NOT proven or safe, and people HAVE been damaged by the methods Dr. Shady employs, and so I would warn anyone looking here to NOT partake in these protocols.

        • Leo Cashman June 3, 2016 at 5:58 pm

          Dear Jason,
          Your information about Chris Shade, PhD, does not square with my information and observations about him. I have heard him speak at holistic dental conferences a number of times and he is very bright, one of the leading mercury research scientists. He is innovative, having developed the Tri-test, test for mercury body burden, and 8 or 9 detox products which are gentle, safe and work to enhance the body’s natural detox system, the glutathione system. I have encountered anyone except you who has called him “Dr Shady,” and I wonder who your source is for that perspective, or of allegations that his products are fraudulent or dangerous. Detox is a big and growing business and we should be aware that detractors of Chris Shade may be jealous of his prominence and his success, so as to gain a larger pie of the market. I have no commercial agenda or stake in any of this, please be clear, and I have been director of DAMS, INC for the past 16 years, an educational non-profit. We have helped literally thousands of people over that time, who have gone through the detox and recovery journey, learning from them as to what works, want doesn’t work so well, gathering wisdom about the complexities of mercury poisoning and mercury detox. Chris Shade did not achieve the prominence and the wide respect that he has by being fraudulent and “shady.” Chris Shade, PhD, is not a physician or any kind of practitioner, but the list of practitioners that he collaborates with reads like a who’s who in holistic health care and medicine. If you or anyone else wants to call me and share information, or concerns, on a more private basis, you can call me at DAMS, at 651-644-4572 during normal business hours (central time zone).

        • ammeiring June 3, 2016 at 8:30 pm

          And just to complicate things further…..what about a combination of lead poisoning, three times the safe level, and mercury amalgam fillings? The question of the moment: could the interaction of the two metals create unrelenting tinnitus, which started with three doses (November 2013) of Cipro?

          ________________________________

        • Leo Cashman June 4, 2016 at 2:29 pm

          Dear Ammeiring,
          It is well established that there is a strong synergy between lead and mercury. The effects of these two toxic metals magnify each other. Boyd Haley, PhD, has studied synergies of mercury with lead, with aluminum, with anti-biotics, with testosterone, etc and has quantified them all use his patented ALT toxicity testing methods. The synergies between fluoride and mercury are less well studied but if Boyd Haley lives long enough, (he is in his mid-70s and a very busy man) he will probably get to looking into that question, too. We already know that their is a huge synergy between aluminum and fluoride and there is published science on that (Isaacson, Journal of Brain Research, 1998) and also the work of Anna Struenecka of the Czech Republic. So, the problem is not a lack of science, the problem is the cover-up by industry-government-media, leaving many of us in harm’s way.

        • Jason May 27, 2016 at 2:29 am

          And believe me I understand perfectly the chelators, many are natural, etc and there are some studies showing these ‘can’ work, and the nature of these studies. I also understand a WHOLE lot more about all these things too, which is where my above comment steams from. Most of the entire World is either confused, in the dark, in denial, or lied to about Mercury, this is by design and exactly how ‘they’ want it

        • Jason June 8, 2016 at 3:42 pm

          Hi Ammeiring. Tinnitus is a Heavy Metal symptom, Lead does not need to be part of the picture but as Leo says it makes Mercury poisoning worse, as does Cipro. I hope you will think about safe removal of your Amalgam fillings and then safe chelation through the Andy Cutler Protocol. Good luck in your healing

        • Jason June 8, 2016 at 4:12 pm

          Hi Leo. There is no doubt Shade is bright, he seen an under-serviced niche and decided to cash in on it after all, but just that is part of the problem, as I said it is greed (not outright fraud but overpriced and unnecessary proprietary tests and products) that is the issue here, and a lack of understanding of some of the chelators and how they should be used as well as completely ignoring decades of history of use of these chelators.

          In the Cutler forum we have people show up from the Shady Protocol desperate and looking for help because they are now feeling worse, this is from the misuse of chelators and from using chelators that should not be used and have a history of making people worse, the history of which as I said is being ignored, I have seen several of these people myself with my own eyes just in the last 3 months, its been going on much much longer.

          You are far from alone in your advocating Shade, Mercola and others have too as you said, and as I have said, that is because people like him are confused to who the experts really are, many people feel Klinghart is an expert, and yet people end up severely damaged from his protocols as well.

          Mercury is extremely toxic as you know, and nothing to “fool around with”, and right now there is only ONE expert in the World who has the most research-backed knowledge and decades of experience of do’s and don’ts with helping people recover. It is tragic that even the Naturopathic and Functional Medical Doctors DO NOT UNDERSTAND Mercury and HOW TO SAFELY REMOVE IT, all of them do the Urine challenge test, promote IV’s in high doses etc and many people end up very damaged as a result, some including with Shade protocol manage to get better, but with all these protocols like Klinghart etc many end up damaged, or even dead, so anyone partaking in ANY of these protocols are playing a dangerous game of russian roulette as has been demonstrated over DECADES.

        • Jason June 8, 2016 at 4:16 pm

          Anyone who is Mercury toxic and considering ANY protocol at all should read over this page:

          http://cutlersuccessstories.weebly.com/what-not-to-do.html

          This is a TINY TINY sampling ONLY of WHY these things should not be used and just serving as a warning, there are THOUSANDS of actual stories over decades of people who have tried these things and ended up damaged, they have failed the test of the time.

        • Jason June 9, 2016 at 7:49 am

          Here is a case and point, this person just commented about this TODAY, Quote:

          “I did Shade for 6 months. To sum it up in one word… DON’T!!!!

          I lost 2 years as I’ve been resting and recovering for about 18 months since. Not even close to recovered. Just started round 12 of ACC. Have improved more in the last 12 weeks than the whole 18 months before that. This protocol is safe. It’s the only safe protocol. Don’t mess with the others. You’ll spend a huge amount of money making yourself sicker. I don’t know yet if I’m going to be able to reverse all of the damage I did. I hope so, but just have to wait and see.”

          See the laws of Chemistry have not changed in the last 2 decades, nor the 8 before that, this is why the “time-tested” older method STILL works in a safe manner, and others that come along and ignore simple Chemistry DO NOT.

        • Leo Cashman, DAMS June 12, 2016 at 6:16 pm

          Dear Jason – Floxie Hope,

          The reason that so many people are positive about Shade’s approach to detox is that it works with the body’s own natural detox system, the “glutathione system,” and enhances. So, it enhances glutathione itself, and also the GST and other enzymes that are needed to make the glutathione system work well. I think the track record of each of the products – IMD, Clearway Co-factors, nanosomal glutathione, nanosomal vitamin C is quite good and they are derived from natural sources, so it is hardly plausible that they would be dangerous. IMD is an invented product, but you can’t possibly absorb it as a super-binder into the intestinal wall. It lowers inflammation so that the live – bile – bowel pathway can work better. Sound dangerous? If you start low and go slow, it works well for most users.

          On the other hand, DMPS and DMSA have legendary tales of adverse side effects. Guess what? These traditional drugs are not even good chelators of mercury: they have the wrong size grip, so they keep picking up the mercury and dropping it and picking it up and dropping it. So, they are inherently flawed products and instead of trying to make these flawed products work, we should best abandon them and move on to better, sounder protocols for our detox. Also alpha lipoic acid is not a good chelator of mercury either, according to Shade and other scientists. Its main contribution to a detox effort is to boost gluathione, but there are lots of ways to boost gluathione, and many of them have a better safety track record that alpha lipoic acid does.

          So, no one is saying that the laws of chemistry have changed since 1995, but our understanding of the biochemistry of mercury detox has improved and we should learn from scientists like Haley and Sahde, the leading teachers and researchers, and correct the old incorrect notions of the past.

          ps, Floxies contemplating using DMPS even once, should read the hair-raising patient stories on the web site DMPSbackfire.com. Even after taking DMPS once or twice, some of these DMPS victims had long term problems from it ……almost as bad as being floxed! Does that sound like something you “need” in order to detox?

          Leo Cashman

        • Jason June 14, 2016 at 11:41 am

          Dear Leo. Yes, that is one reason why many people are FOOLED into thinking that the Shady approach will be good, sadly it is NOT the case as has been proven over and over again over decades as mentioned above. The bodies “Natural system” failed in the first place for people who end up sick, and further supporting it has been shown to be not only ineffective, but also to making them MORE SICK, time and time again there are thousands of reports, and new people pretty much daily as noted.

          One big thing you are failing to comprehend here is the STRENGTH of the bond made between SINGLE THIOL sulfur groups like Shady recommends, versus DOUBLE Thiol sulfur groups, THIS MAKES ALL THE DIFFERENCE the extra Thiol group makes a stronger bond, as well as taking them on their half life to reduce the redistribution effects (re-poisoning) which AVOIDS the “dropping effect” that will happen with ALL chelators. THIS HAS NEVER CHANGED, yet Shady ignores these critically important FACTS in his Protocols and chelators, and why they make no sense and often make people MORE SICK, as the stories show (which you and him choose to ignore). Where are all the Shady success stories? Oh right, there are hardly any anywhere to be found because the approach is simply NOT successful, unlike the Cutler approach which is based on simple proven chemistry.

          DMPS, DMSA and ALA are the ONLY double thiol chelators, and thus the ones that make the STRONGEST bond, this is VERY SIMPLE Chemistry, and yes has never changed. When these Chelators are taken in SMALL amounts, on their half lives, IT IS THE SAFEST and most effective possible method to remove Mercury, period, NOTHING is flawed about these chelators when taken PROPERLY, and this too has never changed, as much as people selling inferior PROPRIETARY products would like others to believe it has.

          Your sad attempt to discredit DMPS and even ALA really shows you have a vested interest here by trying to purposely mislead people, as I am sure you KNOW “DMPS backfire” were people who did an IV and/or high dosage of DMPS, something anyone who has done ANY AMOUNT of research knows (I also recommend people go there are read those stories, this is why you see this mentioned in the link I already provided above for one of the things NOT to do). Shady has NO CLUE about ALA obviously, and other Scientists who are doing studies that do NOT include the half life are doing FLAWED studies, for obvious reasons already mentioned, again this is incredibly simple so you are either ignoring facts or have not done your own research, either case is bad for someone in your position really.

          Here we come again to the most important point, when taking ANY chelators in too big of dose and not on half life people WILL often get more sick, suffer new effects, and can even end up dead as mentioned before. This INCLUDES DMSA, DMPS, and ALA, SHADY products, ALL Chelators, so of course there are many many stories out there of people with bad experiences, which also includes people who take these things while they still have Amalgam or hidden Amalgam in mouth, another very big and common mistake.

          WHEN people take DMSA, DMPS and ALA HOW THEY ARE SUPPOSED TO IN SMALL DOSES AND ACCORDING TO LOGICAL CHEMISTRY, NO ONE ENDS UP WORSE, there are NO horror stories of worse damage etc, UNLIKE THE SHADY PROTOCOL, again THIS makes all the difference. Unfortunately as mentioned too Doctors are still using bad methods, like IV’s and high doses of pills, single thiols, not utilizing half lives, IV of Glutathione, ANY of these can create big problems for people, and especially Floxies.

          Leo you obviously have a vested interest I’m sorry to say referral bonuses I am sure, or you would not be going to random websites on the Internet to “promote” an ineffective protocol that ignores simply Chemistry, and then continually try to defend it, where as I have nothing to gain except my own health, which is why I have done so much research. Anyone using their noodle here will see this, and anyone who does any amount of research will also see the glaring FLAWS in all the points you have tried and failed to make.

          One of these Protocols has a VERY LONG history of success with thousands upon thousands of success stories online, the other has more failures than successes and ignores history and Chemistry, really the choice could not be more obvious.

        • Leo Cashman, DAMS June 29, 2016 at 6:51 pm

          Dear Jason,

          Dr Joseph Mercola recently had an article on detox featuring the views and methods of Chris Shade. Mercola has the world’s busiest health blog in the world, with something like two million readers. I think that Dr Mercola is right to feature Chris Shade and the Quicksilver Scientific products which, by the way, I have no vested interest in. There is a growing consensus that Chris Shade, along with Boyd Haley, is one of the leading detox teachers and product developers. That is simply an objective fact.

          So, I suggest that floxies and other interested readers go to Mercola.com and look up the article on Chris Shade. Please retract your statement that I have a “vested interest here by trying to purposely mislead people.” You have no basis for saying that, none whatsoever. Meanwhile, does anyone know who you really are, Jason? Do you have a last name?

          Leo Cashman, executive director of DAMS, INC, a 501c(3) educational non-profit. I have no commercial affiliations with any products or companies and neither does DAMS.

        • Jason June 30, 2016 at 9:56 pm

          And yet you continue to come here to defend a lost position to strangers. What does this say about you? I know what it says to me, and I know what it will say to everyone else reading here too, and that is really all that matters now you have sunk yourself here.

          Mercola like others is confused as already mentioned, he is not a Chemist and knows NOTHING about Mercury in the body and how to detox it. Why do you repeat a failed point, repeating it won’t make it right, now matter how many times you do it you know.

          If people want to once again learn from yet someone else with NO vested interest (and Cutler does NOT sell ANY products actually, which already says a lot), why Shades protocol is TOTAL SHIT and does not work, you can read this article from yet ANOTHER CUTLER success story, something Shady does not have

          http://thepowerofozone.com/worst-mistake-can-make-ozone-therapy/

          Shade uses many of these single thiols talked about in this article, and they DO NOT WORK WORTH A DAMN and often make people worse, this Lady explains very simply why (expands on what I said above, which Leo is of course ignoring). Shady is just that, a Shady greedy dog ignoring science and chemistry for profit, and paying others to promote his expensive non-working products and protocols. Its people like him that ruin it for other good healers in the industry, the complaints are already piling up at FDA

          Oh yes, secretly I am really ….wait for it – Andy Cutler….LOL oh Leo please

        • Leo Cashman July 3, 2016 at 12:43 pm

          Dear Jason and all floxies,
          FYI, there is an Alzheimers and Dementia Summit coming up July 25 hosted by Jonathan Landsman. If you sign up now for viewing this summit, you can get a free access to what Landsman calls an “awesome interview with Christopher Shade, PHD.” This is yet another chance to hear the impressive knowledge and expertise of Chris Shade on issues such as how mercury can affect the brain and what can do about it.
          – Best regards, Leo Cashman, DAMS

  10. Jason April 22, 2016 at 5:24 pm Reply

  11. Jason April 26, 2016 at 8:24 pm Reply

    This is a good 9 minute overview from one of the best Doc’s out there

  12. Jason May 27, 2016 at 2:10 am Reply

    Lots of good info in this video, “Silver Fillings” are VERY toxic folks

  13. Jason May 27, 2016 at 2:32 am Reply

    Beware also of the “new and improved” light bulbs being pushed on everyone, we have someone from the website 25 years old who was poisoned and got very sick from the energy saving lamp beside his bed

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