Floxed Friday – Why Don’t You Sue?

Every Friday Michelle Polacinski, a Floxie as well as the Director and Producer of ‘Floxed,’ sends out a newsletter to those who have subscribed to the ‘Floxed’ newsletter. The Floxed Friday updates are always interesting and thoughtful, and Michelle has given me permission to share them here. 
 
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The following was written by Michelle: 

I’m writing this next to a large window and a view of falling snowflakes, gently floating down to the ground below, causing accidents and exciting skiers everywhere.

Skiing is a big, big deal for me. I learned when I was 4 years old in the middle of the woods in Upstate New York. My dad, a trophy-winning freestyle skier, known for his backflips and helicopters, gave me a pair of used thrift store Rossignols with the chickens at the top and gave me poles meant for a much taller child as we hopped over sticks and fallen trees together.

After racing on a team in high school and teaching skiing for 6 seasons, it’s easy to see that I’m enamored with the sport.

Skiing was and still is one of my favorite activities. When I was floxed, I couldn’t walk or hike for awhile. I was one of those floxies who crawled to the bathroom and lost 20 pounds in merely weeks.

I was no professional athlete floxie, but come winter, I was terrified that I would never ski again.

I was one of the lucky ones. While many floxies remain forever disabled, forever unable to walk again or run again, I got better and could ski again. To be fair, skiing is not a tendon-heavy sport, so it was easier to get back into it than, say, rock climbing or weight lifting or running or whatever other people do to stay fit.

I’m not bragging about it at all, but I was able to go backcountry skiing a couple days ago after we got a huge snowstorm and discussed my *former* disability with another skier I met there.

“Why don’t you sue?”

He actually didn’t ask me that question, but most people do when I talk about getting floxed. The answer is a complex one.

Many have tried and many have failed to win, including successful lawyers with floxed loved ones or doctors who have been floxed themselves. Lawsuits, including class action ones, have come and gone since the late 70’s, but fluoroquinolone antibiotics are still on the market because “there is enough warning for patients,” and “look at all those black box warnings!”

We disagree. We think that there needs to be much more education about Fluoroquinolone Toxicity, for medical professionals especially, but also better informed consent for patients.

It’s easy to blame the doctor who prescribed the antibiotic, but the fact of the matter is that many doctors are not adequately warned of the risks themselves. Doctors, like Mark Ghalili, DO, have been floxed. If that’s not an example that they are not properly informed, I don’t know what is. Today, Fluoroquinolone Toxicity is regularly taught in medical schools all over the USA, but I want it to be a mandatory lesson.

It’s regular practice for pharmacy technicians to remove the lists of warnings and pamphlets about the drug in order for it to be “easier” for patients, or so they say.

Who is to blame, really? Is it the drug itself? The drug had no intention. It’s an object, a creation. Is it pharmaceutical companies? Pharmacists? Investors?

Many floxies choose to blame themselves. “I shouldn’t have taken that drug,” they lament. “It probably happened because I’m too old, I was too sick, I took ibuprofen for a headache, I didn’t read the pamphlet, I have the MTHFR gene, I didn’t Google it, etc. etc. etc.”

It’s easy to blame the victim, even when the victim is never at fault . . . so who is to blame?

Instead of focusing on the blame, I’m focusing on solutions. Our team is focusing on how we can end this floxie epidemic once-and-for-all, with adequate educational campaigns and, hopefully, a huge, awesome documentary. Let us know if you want to help with the campaign and we’ll add you to a list for when the time comes.

Look out for YET ANOTHER podcast (originally recorded in June, I think!) coming out next week. We talk about how I became a filmmaker and get a little more into what it’s like to work in the film industry.

Have a great weekend and thank you for your continued support!

Best,

Michelle
Floxie, Director, and Producer of ‘Floxed’
#nonewfloxies #floxeddoc

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31 thoughts on “Floxed Friday – Why Don’t You Sue?

  1. Patrick Jordan December 6, 2019 at 1:32 pm Reply

    I’ve never met a lawyer who wasn’t a clueless Judas Goat leading sheep to their death, so what has to be examined here is the list of the accused when bothering for a ‘legal’ solution. Any suit that names a fictitious corporation will lose. The NAMES OF LIVING BEINGS NEEDS TO BE ON THE COMPLAINT. That would mean the doctor that prescribed it despite the faux altruistic apology that they Know Not What They Do. If they don’t then they should have their licenses removed and put in a Turkish jail. Name them by name. Then name all involved in the drug company. Then name them all in the FDA that let the poison pass. Then name the government oversight players who are supposed to watch the watchers. Only then will you have a snowflake’s chance of getting anything done.

    • Honestly December 6, 2019 at 1:54 pm Reply

      The non consensual trial and the doctors who participated should be known. Just a couple years ago someone got into the floxed groups advocating brain scans and genetic testing – many ran out and did just that –

      • Patrick Jordan December 6, 2019 at 2:06 pm Reply

        Expand on your personal view as to whether the testing is a risk or benefit?
        From my point of view: knowing how deep these medical manhattan project conspiracies go, it was probably a government agent that fomented the tests to be sought so that they could gather more, and more-technical data on how well their weapons delivery system worked. Depending on the contrast agent the brain scans alone would embed more and horrific disease. Gene testing enters you into a Department of Defense database to catalog the willing sheep.
        The reason why I say to name names if there is to be suit is that you can’t use the Nuremburg code against a fictitious ‘corporation’. The non-consentual EXPERIMENTATION using a known weapon of last resort is a WAR CRIME.
        Unless people talk about this at this level and act on it accordingly it will just be Moe Howard from the Three Stooges telling Curly, “I ought to rip out your esophagus!” without ever doing it.

        • Lukasz December 6, 2019 at 6:50 pm

          Experimentation. This is precisely what I believe was/is being done as well. In WWI and WWII days, it was common for the Nazis to experiment on people. Modern day Bayer, for example, used to be known as IG Farben during the 1930s and 1940s. Their chemical department aka pharmaceutical division was testing many different compounds and chemicals on human beings. Even their logo depicts a wheelchair. Sadly, the evil that existed back then has been rearing its ugly head in recent times and the outcome is an epidemic of unparalleled proportions. A chemical assault on innocent civilians. There are many possible reasons for this taking place, some of which could be depopulation tactics, lowering of intelligence, filling up of hospitals, institutions and prisons, generating maximum revenue for the medical and natural medicine industries and all who stand to profit from it, and of course let’s not forget the good old classic human experimentation of failed chemotherapy drugs such as those we’re all too familiar with – fluoroquinolone antibiotics. Rare reactions? Not as rare as we’re lead to believe.

        • Patrick Jordan December 6, 2019 at 7:16 pm

          As Rush Limbaugh supporters used to say: DITTO!
          Operation Paperclip NEVER ended. So in building a case there can’t be suit for civil but criminal charges with exactly what I outlined as War Crimes. I’ve had experience speaking with Medicare’s Medical Epidemologist. At first I had to ask her what the meaning of her title was. It is the study of DOCTOR CAUSED DISEASE. Which, must be rampant if there is an entire branch in Medicare devoted to it. There can be sins of commission or omission. In the for-profit dialysis units they were billing for Vitamin D injections that they never delivered. In the clinic office and hospitals it is prescribing a nuclear bomb instead of a flame thrower for conditions that could probably have been resolved by not even going to a medical doctor. [before anyone gets upset with me, I have been following the posts on a low oxalate diet group where many of the women who were given Cipro for BLADDER INFECTIONS never had their condition not only not resolve but then they got floxed; then they spent the rest of their life discovering that oxalate crystals were causing interstitial cystitis] You so rightly observed that alterNOTive medicine is in on the scam and profiting in the billions of dollars for their complicity.
          Sharon Bertsch McGrayne in her book Prometheans in the Lab said that people downriver of Bayer were all getting ill from the effluent from their labs. So the people banded together to storm the gate. The company met with them, then negotiated a stipend to be paid to each family in compensation for FUTURE HARM so that they could continue to pollute the river. Another one of those moments in history when the future could have been altered for the Good but the grape apes sold their souls for a bowl of oatmeal.

        • Lukasz December 6, 2019 at 7:03 pm

          “The IG Auschwitz factory was not the only place where human testing was being conducted on victims. IG Farben had its own concentration camp. There, tested vaccines and chemicals were applied to both sick and healthy individuals, in the form of injections, pills, enemas and powders.”

          https://www.warhistoryonline.com/war-articles/popular-pharmaceutical-company-bayer-bought-concentration-camp-victims-wwii.html

        • Lukasz December 6, 2019 at 8:51 pm

          These are indeed war crimes against humanity. Chemicals are the most destructive weapon on this planet. Judging by the number of people affected not just in North America, but worldwide, it’s become clear that chemicals are their weapon of choice. Shocking to hear that such a position (Medical Epidemologist) exists. Pretty much speaks volumes about what’s REALLY going on. It’s interesting that you bring up nuclear bombs into the discussion since that’s the term I sometimes use to describe to people who are interested about hearing my story. I tell them that a couple of atomic bombs were prescribed to me, on a similar scale to that of Little Boy and Fat Man, and that these atomic bombs wiped out entire colonies in my body which are vital to good health. I find people get the picture better when I say it this way else, they don’t really understand the kind of damage FQs inflict on a healthy human body. As you said though, most of these issues that people come across can be addressed with natural methods and there’s absolutely no need to throw gasoline into the fire. The way I see it, antibiotics are as effective at combating infections as a garden hose is to fighting a forest fire. But lack of knowledge did me in. If I knew what I know today, I’d still be a healthy, happy human being. Instead, I’m just a shadow of my old self.

          Speaking of bladder infections, I developed one as well recently and it’s thank to the antibiotics that I got it. Years of untreated bacterial overgrowth has led to this and I have no doubt that it’s the antibiotics who are to blame since they wiped out good bacteria and caused the pathogenic bacteria to multiply and run rampant in my body. I’m just now starting to get a handle on things and attempting to regain control over this mess. At no point has conventional medicine even bothered to inquire about the possibility of bacterial overgrowth. You would think someone who went to medical school for 8 years would investigate this scenario but instead they point the finger at other possible causes. It’s as if they WANT you to be sick all your life so that they can milk you for your last dollar until the day you die. What a sad state of affairs. As for Bayer, it will continue to be an evil empire that reaps profits from a society that is ill at large. When the tide shifts and people realize that pharmaceuticals aren’t needed for survival, that food is medicine, that vitamins and minerals regenerate the body to a great extent, only then will we see a shift away from these drug dealers and watch as one by one disappear. If we continue to buy their products, the poisonings will go on.

          The choice is ours.

        • Patrick Jordan December 6, 2019 at 8:59 pm

          Again: DITTO.
          Regarding bladder infections. IF oxalate crystals damage the surface of the bladder it can open up the damaged cells to infection but that presupposes that the infection was there to colonize. Folk remedies of cranberry juice (and even Kelp Bladderwrack) coat whatever cells don’t have bacteria stuck to them with Fucose sugar so that the bacteria slip right out of the bladder. This only works for unaffected cells so that whatever is currently stuck to the inside of the bladder will not be removed by the sugar. Good luck if you don’t have gout because too much cranberry juice can provoke gout. Don’t ask me how I know…

        • Honestly December 8, 2019 at 7:21 am

          I agree with your testing theory. It’s a two edged sword if someone needs an accurate picture of what they were dealt and especially any resulting permanent damages. I had a chiro hand my records over to two medical colleges without his exam or my consent and a law professor who basically told me that conscious informed consent will never happen – then there is the “re-exposure” to reveal but no responsibility to follow up.

  2. Karen Brister December 6, 2019 at 3:13 pm Reply

    I tried to sue, found a group suing, but I didn’t recognize peripheral neuropathy in me, so I wasn’t a candidate to be represented. The bottom of my foot itches a lot, so I guess that is peripheral neuropathy. I am not diabetic, so what could have caused such a thin?

    • Patrick Jordan December 6, 2019 at 3:37 pm Reply

      … and that is the other failing in the ‘legal system’. A class action suit where the plaintiffs get a few token dollars and the lawyers rake in millions and nothing gets done because the drug companies see millions as one-thousandth of a dollar. PLUS there was never anything in the suit for REMEDY AND RELIEF other than damages. I swear people have no concept of what the corrupt legal system is about: If you don’t call for gallows and arrests and banning of a poison they you will NOT GET WHAT YOU DON’T ASK FOR. The system is set up to lose to begin with, and then you have to know how many traps they wire in even if you navigate the system past their first trap doors.

      • Lukasz December 6, 2019 at 7:26 pm Reply

        So very, VERY true. You, sir, get it. If only we weren’t too sick and disabled to do something about it. The culprits responsible for our pain and suffering deserve nothing less than a lifetime jail sentence and a good dose or two of Cipro or any other fluoroquinolone drug to compliment their stay.

        • Lukasz December 6, 2019 at 7:33 pm

          This is traditionally called “getting a dose of your own medicine.” I’m willing to bet that as soon as the first symptoms kick in, they will forever regret their actions. Of course, this will never happen since these individuals have a GET OUT OF JAIL FREE CARD. Apparently, poisoning the masses is a petty crime.

  3. Lukasz December 6, 2019 at 4:48 pm Reply

    If suing doctors, pharmacists, pharmaceutical companies and health agencies for medical malpractice and negligence was as easy as suing for a slip and fall or car accident, justice would be delivered for just about everybody who frequents this website. Unfortunately, the legal and judicial systems aren’t setup in our favour. They’re setup to protect these individuals, companies and agencies. So what we have is millions of victims with varying degrees of injuries, not to mention who knows how many deaths, and no justice being served against the criminals who are responsible for their pain and suffering. C’est la vie.

  4. Shelley Sharp December 6, 2019 at 6:44 pm Reply

    I would be willing to add my testimony to the documentary when the time comes.

  5. andy Perks December 7, 2019 at 2:32 am Reply

    One of the best yet I’m not active on the sites but severely floxed and still struggling to walk nearly 4 years after 5 pills Keep up the good work I will never give in and it wasn’t mine or my doctors fault this happened to me

    Andy

    • Patrick Jordan December 7, 2019 at 2:40 am Reply

      Why were you prescribed it?

      • Honestly December 8, 2019 at 8:11 am Reply

        Prescribed Cipro in 2011 for a few twinges which I doubt was actually a UTI. The doctor refused to see me after one pill and a tendon tear until two weeks later when lab work results were ready. At this time the pain was there but bruising and swelling gone and he said that he didn’t see a tendon tear and made a mental health crack. They know what they’re doing – I saw an internist with the nerve pain and was prescribed a steroid, then asked if I felt I was in a deep dark pit and couldn’t get out – Chiro for back pain who hurt me not knowing of drug issue. Sleep dr who prescribed for “daytime” sleepiness, sports med dr who says tendon tear but Cipro doesn’t do this. They get to run around alive and prospering while labrats are a hot commodity.

        • Patrick Jordan December 8, 2019 at 10:50 am

          This is the most disturbing trend that I have seen when I ask people about the precipitating event. A UTI? This is a weapon of last resort per the label and the first thing they whip out is Cipro? The ONLY conclusion I can make is that it is malice aforethought, which, again, in the CRIMINAL COURT ARENA is necessary to develop Conspiracy Theory in order to make a case. The doctor’s response was malpractice and negligence and worthy of gallows. The only interpretation is that if you accepted his pronouncement and damnation to psyche drugs then you are no longer a threat of malpractice and negligence suits. Too bad about the chiropractor because although there will always be monsters in any branch, I have known many that were conscientious enough to not cause harm and actually delcine to treat. I’ll be spreading the word of cipro and connective tissue damage as it relates to physical adjustments. Something that I had never considered until you brought it out. In fact it might make a good information campaign outside of mainstream medicine mills. Sorry to hear about your fall in the deep dark pit full of snakes that fell off of their Caduceuses.

        • Honestly December 8, 2019 at 11:01 am

          You can’t sue a doctor for what he says. It’s his word against yours. My ex-husband who was verbally and psychologically abusing at the time must have been in the same good ole boys club of national fear and stupidity of selling women out. You’re good. The morning is gone

  6. Carol Schroeder December 10, 2019 at 7:59 am Reply

    I have torn the Achilles on my left foot. The other feels strange. What would I possibly do with two torn Achilles?

    Sent from my iPhone

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  7. Meredith December 13, 2019 at 11:00 pm Reply

    Andy Perks, 5 pills. That’s what it took me. I think, no, that could not have happened in five lousy pills. I could not pick up my arms on the third day. Still I thought it can’t be so bad. Then I eye drops, used one drop in each eye and the next morning I could not walk.
    Fluoroquinolones are the first line of defense fit eye infectious as per my eye doctor. Beware.

    • Patrick Jordan December 13, 2019 at 11:11 pm Reply

      Hey Meredith,
      Your comment settles it for me. I will be doing extensive note-taking out of Lida Mattman’s book: Cell Wall Deficient Forms. One thing that I will focus on is What did they know? and When did they know it?
      FQ as first line for *anything* when all of us already know it is a drug of last resort?
      No, they knew that penicillin took off the cell walls of syphilis, TB, and leprosy so Lida said that these plagues never left us, they are now embedded like a homeopath would label a Miasm. Therefore, there has to be some unique action that the FQs accomplish to create stealth pathogens or they wouldn’t be given out as UTI relief or eyedrops for gossling’s sake.
      It has never been insufficient education, or poor choices, or any other apologetic. This smacks of criminal conspiracy with malice aforethought.
      Your post reminded me of a friend (now gone) who had Lupus (that we attribute to Lyme) who was given FQ eyedrops as well, and the woman could do nothing to remediate pain. that is a single golden thread that I see in victims is unresponsive pain.

  8. Honestly December 14, 2019 at 8:25 am Reply

    Patrick, second exposure that I knew about, after one Cipro a tendon tear, nerve pain etc – what is it exactly that you are looking for? At the very least, some of the prescribing doctors knew they were over-prescribing by their response of discrediting and gaslighting patients they floxed.

    • Patrick Jordan December 14, 2019 at 6:49 pm Reply

      The Blame The Patient gambit aside to cover for criminal negligence, medical malpractice, and a conspiracy deeper than all of that, what I will be looking for will be the scientific trail of just what FQs do to microorganisms. What this has morphed into (if you will excuse the perfect word use) is that it is WELL KNOWN that antibiotics cause stealth organisms and have NEVER CURED a single disease. Sure, the symptoms went away because symptoms are based on immune survellience and response. If you can’t ‘SEE’ a pathogen you can’t mount a response, therefore you won’t be ‘sick’. It doesn’t matter that syphilis is now a generational disease passed on by those who are asymptomatic due to exposure to antibiotics from doctors or continuously in their factory meat supplies. People don’t see nasty lesions on their privates so they presume that syphilis has been taken care of by the miracles of modern chemistry. Lyme is a worldwide pandemic that is also susceptible to cell wall loss due to antibiotics which makes that spirochete go stealth, plus removes symptoms so people claim that they are ‘cured’ when they have merely become asymptomatic carriers (thus forwarding the pandemic). But I find it curious that a poison with a black box warning is given out like candy in the middle of said pandemic so we are forced to ask why? Why would you go in for a splinter removal and come out being floxed? there has to be something deeper going on here. So I will be looking at the time frame of the introduction of FQs into general use (not just when they were first released) and especially the chemistry of what it ACTUALLY does to micro-organisms. Lettuce not forget that Borellia and Bartonella of Lyme fame EAT COLLAGEN. Could there be an enhancement of the bugs that already have a taste for connective tissue through the agency of a genotoxic agent (I presume that FQs harm mitochondrial DNA as well) that makes it a perfect storm: People STILL have cell wall deficient or yet unclassified mutant bugs in them from the direct action of FQs rendering the microbes invisible to the immune system so that the bugs are disintegrating us with only inflammation as a marker; plus the chemistry of the FQs themselves also serve to break down host tissue through additional pathways. There is no REASON to prescribe FQs unless there was a hidden agenda.
      If anyone thinks I’m off the reservation on this one: a bill passed congress to compel the Inspector General to investigate if the military released lyme ‘by accident’ or on purpose on american soil as a BW test.
      The discrediting and gaslighting by the doctors may be part of an international coverup. Imagine the scope of the conspiracy if they KNEW what they were doing and why they were doing it because at some level the medical profession was aware of the pandemic and their role in covering it up as either useful tools or informed and under National Security Letters to shut up or else.

  9. Deborah Silver Goodman December 20, 2019 at 12:32 pm Reply

    What if you were on a cruise ship, and they gave you a bottle of Levofloxin, with no warnings whatsoever..it was not even a normal hospital. No paperwork, nothing. I had gone in with a UTI, given one IVof Cipro, vomited, and then given the Levaquin(10 500 mg). They never mentioned anything. Not even the word TENDON, of which I found out later that the 6″ tendon rupture I had in 2010 was due to Cipro. All of this hell could have been avoided if I was told oreven given the black box warnings. I am positive if I saw tendon rupture I would not have forgoten the long siurgery and very long recovery process learning to walk again!! Do I sue the cruise line? Is it really worth it? I will note that soon after being floxed this time, I ordered my CC company to halt the 1500.00 payment to the ships hospital and they one with the above information given to them.

    • Patrick Jordan December 20, 2019 at 4:22 pm Reply

      From a legal point of view the strategy is to never sue a fiction. A Cruise Line, although corporations are recognized as persons, is a fiction. You would have to sue the CEOs by name, the person who hired the doctor, the doctor, and anyone in the paper trail that led to that drug even being available including the ships suppliers (by name), the drug company (CEOs and salesmanagers by name) all done outside the realm of Class Action (which is never good) but possibly two venues: Medical negligence and malpractice; with a separate filing (different venues = different courts. they will try to fool you on this so you really have to know all of their tricks) for CRIMINAL CHARGES.

      Attorneys are Esquires of the courts which means they literally have a List of loyalties that are all above ‘the client’. So going to one of those is like jumping ship after chumming for sharks. You could file on your own but they have booby traps at even the court clerk’s office so if you get the jurisdiction/venue wrong you might find that your filing fees were wasted because the case was thrown out before going to trial.

      Was the ship in international waters or within the jurisdictional boundaries of a specific country? Where was the ship registered?

      This seems tedious but you are engaged in maritime law no matter what jurisdiction or venue you find yourself in, so only if you find someone saavy enough to understand this and willing to go against a belligerent system should you even consider such action. PLUS you need a clear outline of Relief and Remedy that must go beyond a dollar figure. The bastards must be shut down.

      Good for you for stopping payment.

  10. Honestly February 3, 2020 at 9:50 pm Reply

    Patrick, do you have a legal background?

    • Patrick Jordan February 3, 2020 at 10:18 pm Reply

      Hi there. Short answer: NO.
      I spent three years in the library system of the Univeristy of Illinois that included the law library because I was immersed in trying to get for-profit dialysis from literally killing people. Within the first exposure to ‘law’ you find that it is a rigged game with many tricks that are never volunteered to the non-adepts (includes attorneys who are Esquires of the court therefore beholden to the court with the client as #13 on the list of obligations) and are equally hard to discover with no entree into what questions to ask of the frogs guarding the doors where one leads to Life but the other Certain Death.
      Without any legal training I was able to answer (not solve) the dilemma of Native Americans unable to negotiate their Treaties so, I have quite a bit to offer in terms of Book Reports because in this day and age I must disclaim: I am not a lawyer, I cannot give legal advice.

      • Honestly February 4, 2020 at 7:15 am Reply

        I think many of us floxies had kudzu issues. My ss atty wouldn’t touch a fluoroquinolone case so I don’t doubt there are underlying politics. Do you always give disclaimers 😉 ? I might steal that as I get weary of people taking what I say and making it mean what they want it to mean. Kind regards

        • Patrick Jordan February 4, 2020 at 5:11 pm

          Pooooleeeeze don’t get me started on social security disability. What a nightmare. I had written up what I thought was a valid argument and then the ASSISTANT to the judge (the judge was breaking all rules of jurisprudence) wrote up a reply to deny benefits based on case law that was INTERPRETED ONE-HUNDRED PERCENT ***OPPOSITE*** OF HOW THE ORIGINAL CASE WAS DECIDED. The Esquire that had taken the case said: “Well, better luck next time.” Since it was one of those: you don’t pay unless we win, things, he wasn’t even prepared when he came to the hearing. I think Shakespeare was right about them.
          Regarding disclaimers. During Dante’s time in the 1300s the name Dis was a petname of the Devil. So a Dis Claimer is a Claim of the Devil ! I don’t know nofin’ bout no laws ‘n’ such! Even when I tell people what I do around the house: be it furnace or plumbing, I Dis Claim: I am not a licensed HVAC man, I am not a plumber.
          Probably the best solution for you is to print up business cards with your name followed by: non-lawyer, non-plumber, non-doctor, non-mechanic. That way you’ve got them all covered. Cheers.

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