Floxie Hope


This site is to give HOPE to those who are suffering from Fluoroquinolone Toxicity Syndrome as a result of being poisoned by fluoroquinolone antibiotics – Cipro, Levaquin, Avelox, Floxin, etc.  It contains stories of healing.

Cipro, Levaquin, Avelox and all other fluoroquinolones are dangerous drugs that can have devastating effects that cumulatively I’ll refer to as Fluoroquinolone Toxicity Syndrome or Floxing.  Fluoroquinolone Toxicity Syndrome/Floxing includes damage to connective tissue (tendons, ligaments, cartilage, fascia, etc.) throughout the body, damage to the nervous systems (central, peripheral and autonomic), and more. The damage done by fluoroquinolone antibiotics can destroy a person’s quality of life or even kill them. Certainly, there is a time and a place for drugs with dangerous side effects. If you find yourself in a septic shock induced coma, fluoroquinolones may save your life. Unfortunately, these drugs are not being reserved for life or death situations. People are being prescribed them for urinary tract infections, suspected prostate infections, upper respiratory infections, as a prophylactic for travelers’ diarrhea, ear infections, pink eye, etc. Thousands of people have suffered needlessly from the devastating effects of fluoroquinolone antibiotics, when another, safer antibiotic could have, and should have, been used.

The damage done by fluoroquinolones is largely unacknowledged by the medical establishment and an accurate diagnosis, compensation and relief are difficult to come by. There is no known cure for Fluoroquinolone Toxicity Syndrome/Floxing.  However, many people continue to LIVE after being poisoned by fluroquinolones.  They find healing, recovery, perseverance, compassion and hope.  These are their stories.

This site is meant to give hope for healing to those who are adversely effected by fluoroquinolones.  It is no way meant to disregard the pain of those who are chronically suffering from the horrifying effects of Cipro, Levaquin, Avelox or the other fluoroquinolones.  There are people who don’t recover.  Their stories are real and they matter.  There are also people who are able to recover and I share their stories with the hope that they inspire others, or at least give hope that recovery is possible.

Here is a New York Times article about the dangers of fluoroquinolone antibiotics – http://well.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/09/10/popular-antibiotics-may-carry-serious-side-effects/?_r=0 – more news stories, research papers and other resources can be found on the “Links and Resources” page.

Here is a Facebook group that is a great resource for those going through Fluoroquinolone Toxicity – https://www.facebook.com/groups/floxies/

Featured post – I’m floxed. Now what?

The Fluoroquinolone Toxicity Solution Ebook has helped many Floxies to recover, including DanielCindy and Ruth.  As a bonus, you will also receive The Floxie Food Guide – a book of diet guidelines to help you through fluoroquinolone toxicity:

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25,108 thoughts on “Floxie Hope

  1. David February 22, 2020 at 8:20 am Reply

    So is it reasonable to think we all have mitochondrial disorders and that’s why Cipro type drugs affected us.? I was blessed with a full recovery from Cipro poisoning and two years later took a statin. After six months I developed exactly same symptoms as the Cipro poisoning. After another six months of hell I took doxycycline for bladder infection. You guessed it. Three weeks of myopathy and neuropathy issues. I can’t locate an up to date list of drugs that are safe to take.

    • Henk Noordhuizen February 22, 2020 at 9:13 am Reply

      The Fluoride,in FQ’s damages the mitochondria.One of the tasks of mitochondria is,to let usefull,and needed substances enter the cels,while keeping unwanted and dangerous substances out.Once,the mitochondria are damaged by FQ’s,it’s probably impossible to repair the mitochondria because of the damage of the mitochondrial DNA,and,as long as the mitochondria are disfunctional,other substances can easily pass them and get into the cells,wanted or not.

    • Don M February 22, 2020 at 1:44 pm Reply

      Correct me if I am wrong but don’t some statin drugs contain fluoride? Seems that I read somewhere that some did.

  2. David February 22, 2020 at 2:50 pm Reply

    Yes some contain fluoride. Simvastatin the one I took didn’t.

  3. David February 22, 2020 at 2:55 pm Reply

    But don’t mitochondria replenish? We have billions …. surely new mitochondria are not damaged.

    • Henk Noordhuizen February 22, 2020 at 3:16 pm Reply

      David,I wish you would be right on that one,but not only the mitochondria,themselves,but their DNA as well is damaged.So,when they replicate,you get brand new,damaged mitochondria.That’s the main reason why recovery is taking so long,and so often incomplete,and the lack of energy keeps going on (just like after a chemo;in fact,Cipro,right now,is being re-marketed as a chemo).

      • Ali March 13, 2020 at 4:49 am Reply

        Hallo, Henk
        I am a victim of the levaquin to…..
        Are you from holland ?
        Ik ben een tijd hier niet geweest op floxie hope….. en ik zag jouw bericht staan
        Ben jij toevallig een nederlander?

        • Henk Noordhuizen March 13, 2020 at 6:12 am

          Wel een nederlander.Géén toeval :-))

  4. David February 22, 2020 at 3:45 pm Reply

    My doctor says it was designed as a chemo drug first. Yikes,
    I’m told that the accumulation of Cipro in my cells is permanent. That would be in line with what you said Henk. That would explain why now I’m susceptible to poisoning by any number of drugs. I’m 72 and at the age where I will need drug therapy for lots of stuff as my golden years lol continue. Frightening.

    • Henk Noordhuizen February 22, 2020 at 4:06 pm Reply

      A sfar as I know it was,indeed,designed as a chemo,but it failed in effectivenes,back than and was marketed as an antibiotic.Now there’s more demand for new chemo’s because the number of cancer patients is growing fast,and the bacterial resistance to Cipro is growing,as well.Seems,that in UTI’s,there’s an 80% resistance,while Cipro still is the first AB of choice for many doctors,despite of the growing Black List warnings.

    • Madge Hirsch February 23, 2020 at 11:16 am Reply

      You would do better to ignore your doctors when they tell you that you need drugs that are more likely to poison you than do you any good . Polypharmacy is one of the leading causes of death and disablement for older people. Concentrate on a healthy lifestyle. I bet you never needed the statin. I have just had a bad encounter with Cetirizine (Zyrtec). with bad side effects and withdrawal itching after miniscule amounts to try and get some relief from hives. In fact it is better to avoid the doctor if possible.

      • Henk Noordhuizen February 23, 2020 at 12:46 pm Reply

        Statins are among the “medicines” that,for most users do more bad than good.Only a very few might need to lower their cholesterol,anyway,and that can be done with several natural and very save remedies.An apple a day… (no joke;british research showed that the action of one apple a day is almost equal to using a statin drug,but without the nasty adverse reactions of statins).Some natural remedies do even better,and let’s not forget that several statins have been taken out of market because of dangerous,and sometimes even fatal adverse reactions.

  5. Madge Hirsch February 23, 2020 at 11:04 am Reply

    Statins too are mitochondrial poisoners. They stop the manufacture of Co enzyme Q10 by the liver as this is done on the same biochemical pathway as cholesterol manufacture. CoQ10 is needed by the mitochondria for the production of ATP.

  6. Dave February 23, 2020 at 4:20 pm Reply

    Again, we need a list of drugs that affect mitochondrial patients …..it appears we have to hand that list to our doctors because most are so poorly informed about mitochondrial issues.
    Lidocaine …who’d have thought we need to avoid lidocaine ?
    I don’t take anything now unless I Google the name of the drug ( generic and all ) and the word mitochondria.

    • Henk Noordhuizen February 24, 2020 at 2:01 am Reply

      Dave,I’ve introduced the slweb.org website here,quite a while ago,and asked everyone to add other Fluoride “fortified” medicines that hey know of,to make a list,as complete as possible,for the floxie community.I also asked to report on fluoride-rich foods and drinks,because many,probably even most floxies can’t drink a single cup of tea without getting a relaps (I am one of them).

      Fact is,that floxies seem to stay extremely sensitive to Fluoride for the rest of their lives,which makes such a list extremely important.But,untill now,there were no possitive reactions on my request.And the list on slweb.org is far from complete;about 20-25 % of all “medicines” contain fluoride,today,despite the fact that fluoride is one of the most dangerous and aggressive toxins,known to mankind!.

      A list of drugs that affect mitochondrial patients would be great but is even more complicated because it appears that all floxies react different on drugs and foods/drinks,while the fluoride sensitivity,making drinking a simple cup of tea a real adventure for floxies seems to be more universal.

  7. Henk Noordhuizen February 24, 2020 at 3:04 am Reply

    Great: the Bob Beck website is back online:


    His protocol has helped me numerous times,first,after I built the Blood Purifier,now,politicaly correct called Silver Pulser (for blood cleansing and generating high quality Colloïdal Silver),and the Magnetic Pulser.After several years of experience,and knowing that this would probably be the best investment,even,in my life,I bought both devices,ánd the Brain Tuner,now called (politics :-(( Bio Tuner from Sota Instruments.

    I couldn’t buy the Sota Ozonator here,in EU,at the time,so bought one of their own trademarkt ozonators from Mediverse (where I bought my Sota devices,as well).This proved to be rubbish,and way too expensive (later discovered that it is a cheap chinese ozonator,ment for use in aquariums.They bought it dirt-cheap,and put their owwn sticker on it ).This failed after a while,and when a wire from a Sota device broke,Mediverse proved to not be familiar with the word “waranty”;advised me to contact Sota.

    Well,I did,and Sota sent me a new wire,telloing me that there were some problems with those wires,at the time.And to my suprise,a few months later a received an other package,with a kind letter,telling me that they had improved on the wires,and that’s why they,again sent me new wires.This time it were the new,improved ones.That’s the reason that so many love Sota;not only are their devices of great quality,and the only ones,endorsed by Bob Beck,but they do have a great service!The devices,Sota makes,meet Bob’s specifications.

    Bob,and Russ Torlage,the owner of Sota later on became good friends,and when Bob died after an accident,all papers and documents of Bob went to Russ Torlage,who gave them to two great ladies.They created the Bob Beck website to honour this great man and to spread the knowledge he gave to the world,for FREE ;Bob never earned a penny on these inventions,he didn’t want to,and he didn’t need to.

    On the website is all the info you need to build your own devices,and how to use them.More info on how to use can be found on Youtube;Sota has made several instruction video’s;you’ll find them on their SOTA Instruments Inc. channel.

  8. Henk Noordhuizen February 24, 2020 at 3:11 am Reply

    Here’s a well written introduction to Bob Beck (who also invented the portable photo flash,now found in every camera and smartphone,worldwide.Untill then,flash units were big and heavy,and only suited for use in photo studio’s):


  9. Henk Noordhuizen February 24, 2020 at 3:24 am Reply

    Build your own devices,with this info and diagrams:


  10. Dee February 24, 2020 at 9:19 am Reply

    Dave, did you have a reaction to lidocaine????

  11. Dee February 24, 2020 at 9:23 am Reply

    So is there any hope our mitochondria can heal??? Can time eventually start healing the damage?? There are those Floxie’s that feel they are mostly or completely healed so it seems to me that it is possible out mitochondria can make a turn around????

  12. Don M February 24, 2020 at 9:59 am Reply

    Dee….. One theory is that over time it is possible that good mitochondria will again gain the upper hand and be able to crowd out the bad mitochondria. Mitochondria is supposed to die off and be replaced by new mitochondria but as Henk says. The bad fluoride contaminated mitochondria reproduces also so it will remain until the good mitochondria can overpower it. Only time will tell. Good research would help decipher the mystery.

    • Henk Noordhuizen February 24, 2020 at 11:40 am Reply

      I think that that is the only possible way to heal: the good mitochondria overpowering the bad ones.But remember;there’s lots of other damage,done by the FQ’s,as well,that will have to be repaired as far as possible;;tendons,nerves etc.All damage will take time,but there’s still that little bit of hope.The fact alone,that the Farmafia,who caused all the damage,refuses to do anything to help find solutions for the problems they created makes me hellish!

      They don’t know and they’re not interested in solving the FQTS,unless they can earn lots of money with it.In fact,they do,right now;think of all the people who don’t understand what caused all these symptoms,(long) after they stopped using the FQ poison.Most of them are very regular customers for other “medicines”,now.

      • Justin February 25, 2020 at 1:08 am Reply

        I think it is a combination of many things. Yes i do think Mitochondria will heal over time depending on age, lifestyle, etc. If you treat your body poorly your “good” mitochondria will not be any good to take over for the FQ poisoned ones. It’s a race between the replication of good mitochondria with damaged mitochondria to overpower the other. Luckily for most floxies there are many more undamaged mitochondria so they eventually die off and real healing can take place.

        The second peace is healing the damage done. Strengthening weakened tendons, healing damaged nerves, etc all is certainly possible but takes time as well. I think that’s the main reason this takes so long to heal from. I also think # of pills ingested plays a part (although not always) and age is a big factor. Better chance of full recovery for ages 20-40.

        • Henk Noordhuizen February 25, 2020 at 3:16 am

          Justin,that would be great,especially for the younger Floxies (which I am not :-(( But there are so many unknown’s.Are there undamaged mitochondria left,after being floxed? How about the fact that,as far as we know now,all cell DNA,mitochondrial mDNA and RNA is damaged ? This would make repair impossible,as far as I know.

          That’s the reason that I’m so angry that compagnies like Bayer don’t take their responsibility,and do the much needed research,but because their patent on Cipro has ended there isn’t any gain for them,only risks.With such research,and the outcome they would plead guilty and this would mean juridical processes and a huge drain of their finances,with all the victims going for their money. Won’t happen!

          I hope for every Floxie to fully restore from being floxed but there is reason enough to have doubts,based on the little bit of science,available.

  13. Der February 24, 2020 at 10:12 am Reply

    Don. Hopefully time does heal mitochondria!! I would think it does or I don’t think we floxies would get better and heal?? But I’m sure it is a very slow process!!!

    • Don M February 25, 2020 at 7:19 am Reply

      Henk……….. Every time I refill my prescription for Armor Thyroid I am quaried about a flu shot. Never had one and don’t ever intend to get one. The flu drug manufacturing industry is money driven and not (truth) science driven.

      • Henk Noordhuizen February 25, 2020 at 8:38 am Reply

        Don,I receive a letter from my doctors regarding the yearly flu shot,in which they ask me to react,in case I DON’T want to get a flu shot,because otherwise they order one for me,in vain (which will cost them money). I NEVER react to these letters,because in my opinion they should first ask me if I want a flu shot,and,when I agree,THEN order one for me.

        • Don M February 25, 2020 at 7:49 pm

          Henk…… All the major pharmacies give flu shots. Will they be hawking them on the street corners next?

        • Henk Noordhuizen February 26, 2020 at 4:06 am

          No,Don;they will line us up in the marketplace,for our mandatory shots.At gunpoint;just like they do in the third world countries,on request of Bill Gates.Unless we stop them.

  14. Dee February 25, 2020 at 11:46 am Reply

    Henk, you probably mentioned it before but what symptoms do you currently have after being floxed?? Was just wondering how much you have recovered and healed??

    • Henk Noordhuizen February 26, 2020 at 4:46 am Reply

      Dee,at the moment I have a total lack of energy,have a depression,the every-day’s pains in joints,tendons and nerves,which come and go,lasting from minutes to hours,sometimes weeks or even months.During the last 2 months I had three small relapses,where the heart palpitations came back (after 2 bottles of beer (óne too much :-(( ,after a ground beef steak of bad quality,with MSG in it,and during a stressfull period (not yet finished),where I have a conflict with a very despotic female “guide” working for the company where I rent my house).

      Although I am so much better than I was,the first two years,at this time I’m starting,like many Floxies,to loose hope of a recovery,maybe not 100%,but enough to pick up some of my hobbies.Making long walks through the forest with my camera,and a bit of food and drink is what I’m missing the most.And searching old “treasures” with my metal detector,and assisting on archeological excavations.Hardly have enough energy for taking care of my garden;not just a hobby but also an obligation for people who rent a house.

      Cipro has drasticly changed my life for the worse,and thinking of my doctor,first telling me that she had just received a letter with a warning NOT to prescribe Cipro to patients like me,using Flecainide,and then subscribing it,anyway,and even getting angry at me,twoo weeks later,becaause I stopped taking the poison because of extreme adverse reactions.She took a dangerous gamble with my health,and the risk was all on me.And I was the one who lost.

      She’s preparing to retire and enjoy the rest of her life in a while I am limited to surviving and trying to live with the damages she causes.Not knowing what awaits me in the future,because of het big mistake,What hearts the most is that she even doesn’t want to hear what her idiotic descision has caused,getting angry at me because I critisize “her” favorite “medicine”.She’s a total lunatic,and I have to keep myself from thinking what other missery she might have caused during the years she “helped” her patients.A totaly wrong attitude,for a doctor!

      Well;I’d better prepare my meal,now.Than wrap some little gifts;my middle neighbour girl has her 7th birtday,tomorrow;those are the little joys in life that are still within my Cipro caused limitations :-))

      • Don M February 26, 2020 at 6:53 am Reply

        Henk …… Being floxed does make quite a mess of our lives doesn’t it. My situation started about 60 years ago by a well meaning but procedure happy young urologist. He turned a simple UTI into a life long chronic one. Had I known about D-Mannose then none of my past 60 years would have happened the way they did. For about 30 years I was handed off through 7 urologists 3 infectious disease doctors and a couple of gasteroenterologists. The “g” doctors got into the picture because the urologist had for so many years loaded me up with every antibiotic that came to market. My gut was in constant turmoil. Each doctor had to have his own test results so I repeated many of the tests more than once.

        Then Cipro came along.
        I was involved in the clinical trials before Cipro came to market. Since it did work and worked well I spent the next 30 years taking it any time I had a UTI flare up. Always wondered why I did not feel normal but the “MD” doctors always had some other reason for my ill feelings. I did not realize I had an iatrogenic illness caused by Cipro. About 3 years ago I had a UTI relapse and went to the ER. The first thing that the ER doctor did was hang a 500 mg bag of Levaquin. That was the tipping point that “really” lit the fire. I was still in the dark about the devastation that Fluoroquinolones could cause. Oh!! And while in the hospital another urologist (number 8) suggested more tests etc.

        When I got home and began to research Fluoroquinolones on the Internet. I realized what had been going on the past 30+ years with Cipro and the dose of Leviquin. Deciphering the somewhat “secret” actions that went on during my short stay in the hospital is rather interesting. A little late but now I know and can’t be snowed by the “MD” world any more.

        At 85 now I don’t see “recovery” in my future. My goal is to figure out ways to live with the many assorted problems. I just have to live with the terrible fatigue, spacey/dizzy felling and the transient aches and pains. Weather changes are very uncomfortable.
        While not affected as severely as some, daily living and catering to the iatrogenic illness gets very tiresome. I must thank the (well meaning but cash driven and clueless) “MD” medical profession for it’s persistence and causing today’s problems.

      • Andrea February 26, 2020 at 2:19 pm Reply

        Henk, reading your words really make me sad…I’m sorry to read all that, and I can understand your depression and frustration. Everynight, when I desperetly try to sleep, but instead, I repetedly go to the bathroom, I think at that ugly stupid face (that urologist) who, with no esitation and no excuses gave those pills who poisoned me for the rest of my life. I remember when, for the first and only time I confrotned him, angrily asking him why in the hell he prescribed me such an overkill and useless treatment, even if he already knew there was no infection. His response was that it is what he was supposed to do. To validate his bullshit, he even said that at the last meeting he went to, they told them they have to prescribe antibiotics as prevention, even if there’s no sign of infection!!! I wish I could know which pharmaceutical company was sponsoring that meeting. I have bad thoughts in my mind all the time. I’ve become so darker and meaner in the last few years. I often think if life is still worth living. I wish I could have my health back, and I really wish he could suffer what I’m suffering. All the pain, the misery, the lack of hope, the drained energy.

        • Don M February 26, 2020 at 9:09 pm

          Andrea………. Your post reminds me of something that I have copied and keep handy. It is a quote from a Fox News personality who had mysterious headaches that she could not find relief for. It goes: “You must be your own fiercest advocate when it comes to your health. Walk away from medical professionals who dismiss your concerns,and don’t quit searching until you find someone who will partner with you to find the answers you deserve.”

          There is one caveat to this theory. MONEY. Easy to do this if you have plenty of money but searching around is very expensive. Not all of us can do it,but we must educate ourselves so that we can make the best decisions.

        • Henk Noordhuizen February 27, 2020 at 2:53 am

          Andrea,my first AB course,with Amoxicillin and Metronidazol was,or should have been preventive.The dental hygienist had prommised to send me the recipy,a few days before the first treatment but she forgot.Than she gave it after that first teartment but it didn’t work.Instead,it ruined my overall health,my glucose regulation,my gut health and more,untill I re-discovered the Bob Beck Protocol,built the Blood Purifier/Silver Pulser and the Magnetic Pulser,started to use them,and in two weeks time both my glucose regulation and my guts were (almost) healed.

          I think that I only used the Magnetic Pulser,during those two weeks.My glucose level was better to the point that I could eat 2-3 slices of full wheat bread without hyper- and,a half hour later,hypoglycemea,and my stools were normal,after 3 years of misery,but stayed very sensitive to infections;the slightest bit of spoiled food or bad bacteria gave me diarrhea,untill I found Lactospore.Since then,that protocol has helped me numerous times,in particular the Magnetic Pulser (great with pains and local infections);that’s why I’m so gratefull to Bob Beck,and why I keep on advising people to build those devices and give them a try.

          As soon as I got the money,I bought the Sota devices;those meet the full Beck specifications and are quality built,and a bit more comfortable in use,but quite expensive,but probably the best spend investment I ever made.

          The “preventive” claim is just for selling the drug before your body got a chance to heal itself;so,it’s preventive against gain loss,regarding your doctor.

          While re-reading the Mercola article about PQQ,I though that you might be interested in it,as well:


        • Andrea February 27, 2020 at 7:37 am

          Henk, just outof curiosity, how do you use the magnetic pulser for your guts or prosatte problems? You just keep it near your stomach or groin? And how long for each time?

        • Henk Noordhuizen February 27, 2020 at 1:06 pm

          Andrea,the use is as simple as can be.Just put the (electro-),magnet on,or over the place you want to treat. Then push (home-built) the flash test button as soon as the light,indicating that the unit is ready (loaded) for a flash.The flash will (go off).Just repeat this as long as you want too,or,untill the flash unit gets hot and needs some time to cool down.

          The Sota unit is even more handy,First of all,the magnet has a handle,just like a shower head.This makes it easier to use on difficult places (your back,underleg and feet,etc.).This unit automatically “flashes” as soon as it is ready/loaded,then starts reloading and so on,for 20 minutes.At that point you can go on or choose to end the session.Stopping can be done at any moment,when you want to.

          At the moment of the “flash (the homebuilt really gives a light flash because the flash tube is still there,and in series with the magnetic coil),the magnet coil creates a stron magnetic pulse which enters the body 10-15 cm deep.Because there are metal parts (iron,copper,zinc,etc) everywhere in your body,the magnetic pulse creates a small electric pulse (like the turning/moving magnet creates an electric field in the surrounding copper coil.

          The effect is twofold:just like the Silver Pulser,the magnetic/electric pulse disables bacteria,virusses,fungus and other pathogen,which can than be removed by the body.It also calms pain in the treated area (quite helpfull in the tendon pains I had,and,in a lesser way,still have,now and than).

          It is very important to start with very short sessions and build up.Also drink at least 2-3 glasses of water before,during and after the session to avoidHerxheimereffect,and when treating your belly,you reaally need to use a good probioticum.

          I think a homebuilt MP will cost you about €35-40,at the moment (I buy an old flash unit,second hand,on the web for € 5 – € 7,50,plus shipping,a piece of thick electro-cord (double one,2,5 mm2,ca. 1 mtr. and a coil.My favorit flash (easy to modify) is the Vivitar 2800,and the coil I use is a Visaton (art. number 5032) Here I bought it,last time (attention;the pic shows a same coil,but with other specifications.Best is to “shop around for the best price):


          The modification is,in fact,very simple:open the flash unit,disconnect/de-solder one of the wires,connected to the flash tube,solder one of the leads of your wire to the fash tube(be carefull;this is the most delicaate part of the job because when putting too much force to the connecton on the tube,it might break),and the other lead to the wire you just disconnected from the tube.Solder both leads on the other side to the copper coil.In this way;the coil is connected in series with the coil,and whan firing the flash,the electric current will flow through the flash tube,through the coil,and back.

          Put some isolation tape around the connection between the wires in the unit,make some kind of strain/pull relief around the thick wire (this can best be done before starting the soldering job),and close the unit.Don’t forget to isolate both solder connections at the coil side,as well (the pulse won’t kill you but,because of the high voltage,might be very painfull and scare the hell out of you ;-))

          Put batteries in the unit,switch it on and wait untill the flash-ready light burns,and push the flash test button.The flash unit will produce a light flash,and with a washer you can test/demonstrate the magnetic pulse.Just lay the washer near the center,on the coil,then pust the test button.The light will flash,and the washer will fly 20-30 cm’s through the air.Eurica;it works.All this info,and much more can be found on the bobbeck website,and on the YT channel of Sota Instruments are some very usefull video’s.

          One of my homebuilt magnetic pulsers needs a “new” secondhand flash unit,which I have already bought.I will make some pics,during the replacement;might be helpfull for people who want to make their own cheap magnetic pulser.

        • Andrea February 27, 2020 at 2:32 pm

          Thnaks Henk. Do you rememebr I told you, some time ago, I’ve tried that magnetic tesla chair, which is similar to the sota pulser but it differs in some key aspects. I really didn’t understand how, actually I still don’t understand. Different power? different magnetic field? I don’t know, I only know it just worsened my problems. Many urologist are now using magnetic pulsers to treat patient after a prostactomy and other stuff, but in my case it even “woke up” my symtpoms. Do you think the sota pulser is going to do the same thing? In what way the sota pulser differs from the amgnetic chair, for example? (please easy langauge) 🙂
          I was talking to the urologist a couple of days ago, and he told me that it is exaclty what it is supposed to do : strenghten your pelvic floor muscles, so, if in my case my pelvic floor muscles/bladder are already contracted, it’s just going to be worse for me…what do you think?

        • Henk Noordhuizen February 27, 2020 at 3:05 pm

          Yes.I remember,Andrea,and i Explained the difference,several times.One more try :-)) A pulse has a very steep rise,power going from zero to max in a fraction of a milisecond,and than has a similary fast fall to zero.Way to fast for a pathogen to adapt to it.The Tesla chair is a wave device;the output rises slowly to a maximum,and then gows down the same,slow way.That’s the reason I told you on forehand it would probably not work.

          Try to find some handy friend or family member,owning a solder iron and able to handle it on a simple job;building one,the way I described is easy and cheap.Use it for a while,and when satisfied about the effects,consider buying a Sota Magnetic Pulser.On youtube are some vids on how to make one,as well.I’ll let you know when I find a video that shows the right way to do it.

        • Henk Noordhuizen February 28, 2020 at 4:15 am

          Here a vid on the importance of alternative pain killers,like electromagnetic therapee,by Dr.Pawluk (he has 2 video’s on the Sota Pulser,and on several other PEMF devices.The “P” stands for PULSED):

        • Henk Noordhuizen February 28, 2020 at 4:36 am

          Here,Dr, Pawluk demonstrates how to use the Sota Pulser.In fact,this is the way how to use the homebuilt pulser,and most other magnetic pulsers as well:

          On his channel are more vids about the Sota Pulser,and other PEMF devices.

          I searched for a demonstration vid,on how to build one but could,untill now,only find one with bad video quality and not enough info on what,exactly,to do.As soon as I find one,I’ll place it on FH.

        • Andrea February 28, 2020 at 8:57 am

          Thanks Henk. Today I spoke to the fisiotherapist who treated me with the Tesla Chair. She said that the chair has many options and programs. On me she tried the antalgic and antiflammatory programs, sadly, without any success, actually increasing the problem. She said that this time we could try the program specific for the neurological bladder. Who knows…maybe I’ll give it another try. Anyway she’s very kind, and she never took money from me, since the chair didn’t have any success on me.

        • Henk Noordhuizen February 28, 2020 at 9:06 am

          You might give the Tesla chair another chance,but remember it is not the same as PEMF.

        • Henk Noordhuizen February 28, 2020 at 9:10 am

          Why didn’t she use the neurological bladder program,in the first place?As far as I remember,that was the first and main reason you wanted to be treated with the Teala chair,or am I wrong?

        • Don M February 28, 2020 at 2:52 pm

          Henk……. WOW a bunch of replies. Don’t know if you will see this or not but anyway. Thanks for the short course in making a home made pulser and all the reference sites.
          I am looking into gathering the things to put one together. The information that Dr. Pawluk has on his web site is very enlightening.

        • Don M February 28, 2020 at 3:32 pm

          Henk…….. I think I found a Bob Beck pulser video on Youtube. Let’s see if it posts https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O6omtFiUY40

        • Andrea February 29, 2020 at 11:26 am

          I don’t know, maybe she wanted to treat the pain first…but I’m not very sure, that chair doesn’t seem to be right choice for my problems. Maybe someone else can benefits from it, who knows.

  15. Dee February 26, 2020 at 8:43 am Reply

    Henk, wow I am sorry to hear your Doc was a lame and uninformed idiot like so many!! The worst part is she won’t take accountability for her mistake!! How long ago were you floxed?? Time does have a way to continue healing us even if it is slow so the best we can hope for is “continued “ healing!!! Thank you for telling your story. I was just wondering too how long you have been floxed?

    • Henk Noordhuizen February 27, 2020 at 2:16 am Reply

      Dee,my doctor was nót uninformed.In fact,she had just received a warning to nót prescribe Cipro to patients,already using Flecainide (like me),but descided to ignore that warning (which only made her angry;she shouted:”If things go on like this,in a while I will not be allowed to prescribe anything at all,anymore,and might as well stop with my work”) and than she prescribed the Cipro poison,anyway.

      And when I came back,two weeks later and told her that I had to stop taking the Cipro after 4 pills,because of the extreme adverse reactions,she got very angry at me, shouting that she never heard any complaints about Cipro,instead of admitting she made a big mistake by,ignoring that warning.

      That’s what makes all the missery,I have now,so hard to swallow.

  16. Michael February 26, 2020 at 2:28 pm Reply

    Guys I found a very helpful supplement that I have been taking and I think has been really good for my nerve damage and brain fog type symptoms. I noticed a difference let’s say.

    It’s called Life Extension Mitochondrial Energy Optimizer with PQQ. It contains:

    B6 (p-5-p) 100mg
    Carnosine 1000mg
    L-Taurine 800mg
    Benfotiamine 150mg
    R Lipoic Acid 150mg

    PQQ 10mg

    It seems to be working for me.

    • Henk Noordhuizen February 27, 2020 at 12:55 am Reply

      Thanks for that info,Michael.How long do you use it,and after how long did you notice that it works for you?

      I consider giving the PQQ,on it’s own,a try.The combi you’re using is beyond my budget (over 3 times as expensive!).

      • L February 27, 2020 at 1:07 am Reply

        I did pqq along with ubiquinol. And I know you’ll appreciate this. (the source) https://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2019/12/02/pqq-for-brain-health.aspx

        • Henk Noordhuizen February 27, 2020 at 1:56 am

          Thanks for the reminder,L.;I read that article,back than but didn’t back it up and forgot about it :-(( I’m gonna put the PQQ on my wishlist.Combining with ubiquinol would be better,but makes it much more expensive.

    • Michael February 27, 2020 at 3:58 am Reply

      Henk and L,

      I started this a couple of weeks ago (maybe 3), but I was worried about the B6 at first so I only took a little (less than the recommended dose). I actually only wanted the PQQ really but in the end got this by mail order as it was on special. The PQQ stimulates the new mitochondria to form whereas the mito Q10 which I also have been taken optimizes the existing mitochondria.

      Anyway in the last week or so I am taking the full dose 2 tabs twice a day and notice the best improvement so far since the beginning of my floxing. Maybe I am getting better anyway, I don’t know but I think it is doing something.



      • L February 27, 2020 at 10:29 am Reply

        That’s great. All good stuff. The Bs are important for brain health and nerve health. Sounds like a good formula. Glad it is helping you.

    • Don M February 27, 2020 at 6:26 am Reply

      Michael ….. Thanks for the heads up on this supplement. I just ordered it from Amazon. After doing some searching It appears that they have the best price and the shipping is free. (Thanks to our great congress people now we must pay sales tax on online purchases)
      I hope it does for me what you say you think it is doing for you. As you have done I think I’ll start with a half dose for the first week.
      Thanks again for posting about this Life Extension supplement.

  17. joanneg February 27, 2020 at 6:24 am Reply

    Please try WobenzymeN it will help you

  18. joanneg February 27, 2020 at 6:39 am Reply

    Andrea, this is about a different systemic enzyme that I never used but I wanted to post it so you can read how systemic enzymes (WobenzymeN) can help you. I’ve used them and they work and they work really fast, about 2-3 days.

    • L February 27, 2020 at 10:43 am Reply

      When I was recently tested for all sorts of things, it showed my magnesium and a couple other things were low, which was weird since I take so many supplements. My doctor (integrative) said that meant that my body is not utilizing them and I needed to take digestive enzymes with every meal. He also mentioned that I might want to add pancreatic enzymes as well. I am using a supplement that has them now, but I see that Wobenz. does as well. I’ll try this when I run out. Thanks for the mention, Joanne Egg. 🙂

      • Madge Hirsch February 27, 2020 at 11:11 am Reply

        I take Bromelain with my dinner . It works as a digestive enzyme and I feel it helps the mild acid reflux I get when having a relapse. I have had a diminution of floxing symptoms recently but have been knocked back into a relapse by another bloody poison – Cetirizine (sold under brand name of Zyrtec chez vous). I took it to control my hives – which it did-but it gave me terrible lower back pain and a feeling of weakness in my legs despite taking miniscule amounts. 2.5 mg would control the hives for 4/5days but each time I took it the backache got worse. The pain in my hip due to the total lack of cartilage there got worse too and not being able to walk without a stick stressed me so much that a relapse has come on. Hoping it will not last long. I will be 5 years out this summer. Like other oldies here I am beginning to despair of healing.

        • L February 27, 2020 at 11:18 am

          How odd…I just happened across an article on lawsuits against Zyrtec for severe itching and hives. Interesting that that helped yours!

        • A.Coleman February 28, 2020 at 2:01 pm

          Madge, how much Bromelain do you take and do you take any other digestive enzymes or Betaine HCl? If I can fix my digestive problems and lingering brain fog and other associated brain issues I might consider myself well for the first time in many years.

          Just FYI – I have tried various different digestive enzymes over the years and still use Betain HCl at need – which has pepsin.

      • joanneg February 27, 2020 at 12:57 pm Reply


      • A.Coleman February 28, 2020 at 2:06 pm Reply


        Did you get tested for RBC Magnesium? That test is much more definitive than the serum Mg test that is standard. See the Dr. Carolyn Dean site for details on that test.

        As to your low levels of Mg despite supplementing; I suspect you know, but Mg is one of the most poorly absorbed supplements. Try Mg Glycinate or Mg Threonate. You might also want to try a trans-dermal approach. Epsom salt baths are great detox and I suspect I get almost as much Mg absorption from Epsom salt soaks and Mg sprays (which I use when symptoms are worse) as I do from the 200mg a day of Mg Glycinate I take. I use at least 2 to 3 pounds of Mg per soak and try to do it weekly.

        • L February 28, 2020 at 8:06 pm

          I’m not sure but this was a super-comprehensive test, involving both blood and urine. And again, it wasn’t only the mag that was low. Other minerals/vitamins I supplement with were also low. And honestly, I am not a big fan of Carolyn Dean. She had misinformation on her site regarding fluoroquinolones. I contacted her and she did correct it. But it should have been fact checked before she put it up.

        • Henk Noordhuizen February 29, 2020 at 12:39 am

          L.,maybe that info was,at the time she placed it on her website,concidered correct.You know that there’s quite a lot of,sometimes conflicting info on FQ’s,around and Carola Dean is not as much engaged with the FQ toxicity problems as Floxies do.You made me curious: what was the mistake she made?

          What makes things more complicated is,that most info is based on theories and hypothesis;there’s so little real reserch done on the how and why of FQ poisoning.Thaks,that you corrected her :-))

        • L February 29, 2020 at 12:48 am

          I don’t remember what it is now, but no, it was not correct at the time, and I was really surprised it was posted.

        • Michael March 2, 2020 at 2:14 am

          why would you need ongoing Mg supplementation though? I mean however much depletion the FQ did, at some point if you’ve been taking Mg regularly for a few months say, your levels will be normalised right? why would there be a need for ongoing continuous supplementation? I’m just asking as I don’t really understand what the issue is exactly

        • Henk Noordhuizen March 2, 2020 at 4:38 am

          The best way to know if you need a mag. supplement is an RBC test.But,because most people are mag. deficient,anyway,and you’d have to eat a lot of mag.rich food,every day to keep your level where it shoud be (most of our soils and food are lacking mag. as well),most people need the supp.And because of the damage,done by the FQ’s,mag.absorption isn’t optimal in Floxies.But,as I wrote above:only an RBC test can tell.

        • L March 2, 2020 at 11:45 am

          Well, one doesn’t use magnesium only to help repair flq toxicity. It is a vital nutrient that is involved in every cell in the body. It helps with muscle movement; the nervous system; creating and repairing DNA, etc. It is vitally important to bone strength. It is anti-inflammatory. it can help with insomnia an asthma and helps keep your heart beating regularly. Of course, I get some mag from food sources, but not enough. And as I mentioned earlier, tests showed I was low.

        • Madge Hirsch March 2, 2020 at 6:06 pm

          I am not sure of the amount. It comes in some weird dosage. I was originally prescribed it by a locum doc to reduce swelling after a bee sting on my lower lip- trout pout!!! He said they use it here after surgery to reduce swelling. I then read that if taken with food it acts as a digestive enzyme.

  19. joanneg February 27, 2020 at 6:40 am Reply
  20. Dee February 27, 2020 at 8:04 am Reply

    Joanneg. What brand of Wobenzyme N do you take and how much? Where do you order it from?? Did it really help you IC???

    • joanneg February 27, 2020 at 8:39 am Reply


      They really work great for uti and IC!!
      I’ve used them for both and so have my daughter’s and they work fast.

    • joanneg February 27, 2020 at 8:55 am Reply

      Sorry, I didn’t answer all your questions.
      I don’t take these every day cuz I’m scared of everything! I only take them when I have any urinary or kidney issues and i start with 1 and increase the dose if i need to and stop them as soon as i feel better which is pretty quick usually no more than 3 days. But once i had to take longer for a uti about 5-7 days.

  21. Dee February 27, 2020 at 11:32 am Reply

    Joanneg. Thank you much for the info on the enzymes!!! I’m going to try them!!!! I am either having a real mild UTI or IC???? Just feel like I have the urge to go all the time. There really isn’t much burning but feel like I have to pee even after I go!! I take a lot of DMannose which if taken every 2-3 hours if you think you have a UTI is suppose to clear it in a few days. At the very least it has kept it to a “mild” UTI but not sure if maybe I’m experiencing IC instead?? Hopefully the enzymes might help me!!! Thanks so much!!!

  22. Dee February 27, 2020 at 4:31 pm Reply

    Joanneg. Do you start with one enzyme pill per meal or per day???

  23. Don M February 28, 2020 at 3:34 pm Reply

    Henk… Is this what you may have been looking for on Youtube. I found a Bob Beck pulser video on Youtube. Let’s see if it posts https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O6omtFiUY40

    • Henk Noordhuizen February 29, 2020 at 1:04 am Reply

      Thanks,Don;both postings found their way.This is another pulser demonstration,like the one’s from Russ Torlage (Sota channel),and from Dr.Pawluk,but this time not with the Sota Pulser but with a homebuilt one.Nice,to see that he also uses a Vivitar flash unit,just like me.Can’t find any info on the output of his unit Vivitar 3700;mine is model 2800,but looking at his washer test it is powerfull enough for the job :-)) I’m still searching for a video that shows,step-by-step,how to build the pulser,for people like you and Andrea.Have a nice weekend,everybody.

  24. Don M February 29, 2020 at 9:08 am Reply

    Henk…… After doing a lot of reading about Magnetic Pulser therapy I chose to place a bid for this one on eBay. https://drhuldaclarksupplies.com/magzapper.html Won the bid so I am now the owner of this unit. I compared it against the Sota unit and it appears to be very similar in many respects and even seems to have some different features. Not sure just how important frequencies are but it appears that different problems require different frequencies.
    I may still try to make one but doesn’t a home built one only work on a single frequency? Have you looked into using a strobe light in place of the camera flash to make the repeated firing automatic?
    Dr. Pawluk’s web site has a lot of very good information. It was very helpful in learning more about Magnetic Pulser therapy.

    • Henk Noordhuizen February 29, 2020 at 10:42 am Reply

      Nice,but I’m a little bit concerned about that website,Don.First of all;Hulda Clark never developped,nor used a Magnetic Pulser.Then;part of the info on this Pulser seems to be exactly copied frrom the Sota website,including the used Gauss meter (F.W.Bell 5080 Tesla Meter).

      Then,there’s this misleading:info:”The Clark MagZapper emits up to one magnetic pulse per second (the SOTA Magnetic Pulser only one pulse per 5 seconds). The Clark MagZapper has twice the capacity of the SOTA device! ”

      And this info:

      “At 1 pulse per 1 second, the Clark MagZapper still emits a pulse of about 2400 Gauss, but 5 times as many pulses, or twice the magnetic field strength per unit of time. The pulse rate/magnetic field strength is not adjustable on the SOTA Magnetic Pulser.”

      Then:” At the setting of 1 pulse per 5 seconds, both units emit a magnetic pulse of about 6000 Gauss.” At full power,both pulsers are equel;NO difference (except for the fact that I trust Sota way more than this company,because of the “mistakes” in their info.”

      One more:The pulse rate/magnetic field strength of the latest Sota Magnetic Pulser IS adjustble;it has a Fast Mode,(ca.2500 Gauss,every second);where the Clarck Zapper has a pulse rate/magnetic field strength of 2400 Gauss,every second.

      So,the Clark pulser,mis-uses the name of Hulda Clark,has slightly less power than the Sota,and uses some unfress tricks to create an impression that theirs is better than the Sota.There remain some questions;are the specifications,they give,reliable? Most of the description seems to be a direct copy of the Sota website;only their Fast Mode output is 100 Gauss LESS than that of the Sota Pulser.

      “Total capacity of the built in capacitors is double that of the SOTA device.” Well;this doesn’t show up in the specifications.In fact,on fast mode,both are equal (” At the setting of 1 pulse per 5 seconds, both units emit a magnetic pulse of about 6000 Gauss.”),in slow mode the Sota has a bit HIGHER output.

      Looking at the outside of the device;it seems to be an almost exact copy of the Sota;the “loading” lights,with the red light indicating the pulse,the beeper,which can be activated/de-activated,the padle looks exactly like the Sota paddle,only the esthetics of the device differ ( to show it’s NOT a Sota???).The Clark pulser.

      “After a 20-minute cycle, the device beeps. If you want to continue, you will have to press the on / off button for 20 seconds, otherwise MagZapper will turn itself off automatically.” Same cycle length (coïncidence???),only,on the Sota,a push on the button is enough to continue for another 20 minutes,while on the Clark you’ll have to push the button for 20 seconds (???!!).

      The “Clark” pulser IS a bit cheaper than the one from Sota,but Sota has built up a very good reputation;their devices being of very good quality. And,as you will know,quality comes at a price.

      Don,I really hope you didn’t buy a “cat in the bag”.The “Clark” pulser is 20% cheaper,but only time will tell if it’s of equal quality and reliability than the Sota pulser.

    • Henk Noordhuizen February 29, 2020 at 11:03 am Reply

      Don,forgot this:the only frequency in a pulser is the “frequenty”of the pulses,e.g. 12 pulses /second.The “0.2 Hz”on the Clark website is a complete mystery to me;there is NO frequency in a pulse. The only other(important) info,missing on the Clark website is the DURATION of the pulse (~2.5mS in the Sota Pulser.)

      So sorry to disappoint you with this info :-((

      • Don M February 29, 2020 at 2:27 pm Reply

        China is responsible for their manufacture in one way or another. It is no wonder that they copy each other.

      • Don M February 29, 2020 at 2:46 pm Reply

        Henk……. Oops. Even with all the misrepresentation and a few other changes I hope that the “Zapper” is a good clone of the Sota. Only some time will tell.
        Quite a history story on Dr. Hulda Clark. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hulda_Regehr_Clark
        Seems that since her death her son is running the Dr. Hulda Clark Supplies business now.

        • Henk Noordhuizen February 29, 2020 at 4:05 pm

          Well,the only thing that that website and Hulda Clarck connect is,that the owner of the website has a “selfie” with her,and a story that they had a business together.The first electric health device I ever made was the Clark Zapper (the diagram is in her book”.Was very disappointing because it didn’t do a thing.Later on I found out why,while I was studying the work of Nikola Tesla;there’s omething,called the “skin” effect.On higher frequenties,an electric current doesn’t penetrate the body but moves along the skin.So,the ca. 5000Hz from the Clarck zapper never reaches the inner organs at all.This effect is,today,used in shows where guys in chain armours,”catching lightning from Tesla coils,while playing their guitars.

          Don’t worry about the pulser;it will surely work.Maybe not fully meeting the specifications ,written on their website,but it will be at least as good as my homebuilts,I guess.And last longer,because the capacitors in the secondhand flashses I use are not brandnew and have a limited live of 7000-10.000 to begin with (as I remember well,the Sota Pulser has about 250.000 flashes).I can’t garantee that the capacitors in the Clark unit are of a high quality,but they will last for quite a while.The Sota has special low-resistance high quality capacitors,which make that pulser quite a bit more expensive to produce.

          While reading that book,of Hulda Clark,my guts told me that something wasn’t right with her theory;there are so many proven causes of illness,but,acording to her there were only a few,the worms in liver (and kidney’s/) being the main cause.I built the zapper,anyway,but it didn’t do a thing,well;it definitally didn’t improve my health.The thing is still laying around,somewhere,in my house (untill I need one or more of the components ;-))

          Forgot to mention;I bough two of those Philips IR lamps,a while ago;they are dirt cheap! Put one in an old desk lampholder,where it fitted perfectly,and as soon as I had a back ache,I gave it a try.It gets warm (the heat waves;the lamp,and the armature stay relatively cool),and the pain subsided after about 10 minutes.Because I had to sit in a weird position,at the time the pain in the left side of my back had gone,I started to have pain in the right side.Lesson;use it in a relaxing position ;-))

          Ordered 2 of those extendes,you advised,at Dennisdeals,but untill now didn’t receive them.Seems to be an unreliable webshop,now telling me that the corona virus is to blaim (is a chinese webshop with a dutch frontend,pretending to be a dutch shop.After ordering and payment you discover that it is a chinese criminal :-((

          Have a nice sunday,and let me know about your first experiences with your pulser.Here a Bob Beck lecture,you might find interesting:

        • Henk Noordhuizen March 1, 2020 at 4:38 am

          Here an excellent example of how the Clark clan parasite on Bob Beck and his work by stealing his work and fame,offering a “do it yourself” package,calling it “Bob Beck Protocol”,containing the Bob Beck Protocol booklet (looks like an illegal copy),a Silver Pulser (they gave it another name,and it looks like a clone),the Clark Magnetic Pulser(clone;with a bag that looks exactly like the original one from Sota),completed with a cheap ozonator.I am disgusted by these kind of vultures (Bob Beck isn’t there,anymore to defend his brainchild) ;they are as evil as the greedy doctors who poison us for the money:


          Sota is the only company who’s devices are endorsed by Bob Beck,because of their excelent quality (Bob was,himself a designer/engeneer,and extremely focussed on quality).And he was one of the people who explained why the Clark zapper is in-effective in doing what he’s exposed to do,because of the high frequenty skin effect.Painfull,to see,that the Clark clan has stolen his hertitage.

  25. Henk Noordhuizen March 1, 2020 at 3:31 am Reply

    Hmmm,second try (my post vanished as soon as I posted it)

    Today,Mercola has an article,full of HOPE for our future.There’s NO need for chemicals,to grow an abundant crop;natere proves to have better,and safer ways.No synthetic fertilisers (so:less Fluoride,to dump in our drinking water,toothpaste and “medicines”),no toxic chemicals,that kill our bees and other important polinators and poisons the soil,and fully sustainable (since thousands of years:


    • L March 1, 2020 at 12:06 pm Reply

      That is hopeful, although big ag, AMA, big pharma, etc will fight it all. Along the same lines, I was please to see this cover on TIME Magazine yesterday. https://www.naturescornernaturalmarket.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/01/s-l1600.jpg

      The more people start demanding this, the better

      • Henk Noordhuizen March 1, 2020 at 2:26 pm Reply

        Yes,I didn’t read the articles,yet,but looking at the index,I think this is a great Time edition.

        • L March 1, 2020 at 3:27 pm

          Yeah, I didn’t read the articles either. Just thought “glad to see a mainstream mag with this on the cover.” Then debated if I wanted to buy it or not. Still debating. I imagine I already know everything in there, but still nice to see their take

        • Henk Noordhuizen March 1, 2020 at 3:34 pm

          Once I’ve read through some of the articles,I’ll let you know ;-))

        • L March 1, 2020 at 4:04 pm

          Thanks! Be interested in the topics they cover. I am guessing it is pretty “tame” like acunpuncture, chiropractics, etc. I’d be curious to know if they delve into things like IV therapy, colloidal silver, oil of oregano for viral and bacterial infections, stuff like that.

  26. Don M March 1, 2020 at 6:21 am Reply

    Henk……… About the Mercola article on farming practices. I grew up on a Nebraska farm. Our crops were varied. We raised oats, wheat, soybeans and corn. All natural seed. No GMO seed. We rotated red clover and alfalfa so as to replenish the soil naturally. We kept cattle to consume the hay that was produced. We had a pasture along the creek that passed through the property. I occasionally look at the old farm on Google earth and a few other sites. It is hard to recognize the place today. The creek has been dredged to pass straight through the property. All the trees on the property have been removed the pasture along the creek is gone. Some of the hills on the land have been leveled. Today it is all corn fields. Corn fields that are irrigated and fed with chemical fertilizers. Corn and more corn to feed the need to make alcohol. Alcohol to mix with motor fuels. My! How farming has changed.

    This little diatribe is not to related to what this web site was founded for but in a way it does relate. It relates to the world of chemicals. Chemicals that increase crop production and in doing so it harms us, our soil and our environment. Chemicals that are made in laboratories that are supposed to help us live better but in reality it does the opposite.

    • Henk Noordhuizen March 1, 2020 at 7:31 am Reply

      The sad thing is,that those chemicals increase crops for a little while,then,more chemicals are needed to,temperary,stop the crops from decreasing,and after following this scheme for a while,the soil is totaly depleted from minerals and soil life;it is dead,and useless.Like putting workers on an amphitamine/carbohydrate diet.Works….for a while.

  27. Andrea March 1, 2020 at 6:34 am Reply

    Hey Henk, since you seem to be “on fire” with the Sota Pulser 🙂 , I’ve found something that could be interesting, validating some of your statements on the topic

  28. Henk Noordhuizen March 1, 2020 at 7:38 am Reply

    Here a an NCBI report on transcranial pulsed electromagnetic field stimulation (the Beck/Sota Brain Tuner uses low power electric pulses,instead):


  29. Henk Noordhuizen March 1, 2020 at 7:40 am Reply

    PEMF for Crohn’s Disease:


  30. Don M March 1, 2020 at 8:58 am Reply

    Henk……. Andrea…….. Interesting banter and reference to web sites. I am becoming more interested and wondering just how well “electro stimulation” might help floxies. There seems to be some areas that appear that it would be beneficial. A shame that so many floxies would not avail themselves of it because of the prices that are placed on the “ready made” items.

    Henk. The video of the lecture by Bob Beck was long but very interesting.

    • Henk Noordhuizen March 1, 2020 at 2:04 pm Reply

      So far,it helped me with the glucose intolerance,although,3 years after my first AB (Amox and metronidazole),it took just 2 weeks to bring my guts in order,and I could eat bread again.Not the 6-8 per meal,like I used to,but a max of 3,which was alright to me.

      After the Cipro,I had the same bloodsugar issue,and,after waiting for two month,to see if things would improve without help,which it didn’t,I used the MPulser for 1 1/2 week,stopped,after a few weeks the problem kind of came back,and then I used the Mpulser for 3 or 4 weeks,and than kept on using it for 2-3 times a week,several months.In the meantime I started using the Silver Pulser,and as soon as I got my new (Sota) Ozonator,started using this as well (one glass of ozonated water before breakfast).

      I’m using the MP almost every day,since being floxed,for all these daily pains (thank you,doctor!),nerves,tendons and pains I don’t even know where they come from,and here,the MP does a great job.

      Common cold? Influenza? I always had a great immunity against these illnesses,but was afraid that,because of the immense damage (gut flora etc.) I would be mor sensitive,now. This proved not to be the case,and I am quite certain that I ow much,here,to the BB protocol.I read lots of testimonials from other BBprotocol users,and most have this same experience;it greatly improves the immune system.

      Of course,because not only all humans,but in particular all Floxies may react in their own,different way,experiences with this protocol will vary from person to person.I hope it will benefit you,too,Don!

  31. Henk Noordhuizen March 1, 2020 at 1:33 pm Reply

    An absolutely “must see” testimonial on the Bob Beck Protocol:

  32. Henk Noordhuizen March 1, 2020 at 1:36 pm Reply

    Sorry;was a good one )The Man,himself),but not the one I wanted to post.Here’s the testimonial:

  33. Henk Noordhuizen March 1, 2020 at 1:45 pm Reply

    Something gone wrong.Try to find the right one,yourself: Youtube “Bob Beck Protocol Helps Boy Recover from Leukemia” (the Bob Beck channel).Warning:at 6:37 :handkerchief might be needed!

    Just a frase: No,we don’t take him off the chemo,and you can’s do a thing to it,because “he is a minor and he’s under the “protection” of the government”.

    • Don M March 1, 2020 at 5:29 pm Reply

      Henk………. Found it and watched it. Very impressive. I must say that it is despicable that medical science is doing what it is doing. And YES! Money is behind it. Many times I reflect back 60 years. Where I acquired a simple UTI that had I had these tools and the knowledge then it would have been cured with in a week. Instead it was turned from a simple UTI into a chronic UTI (by a well meaning young urologist MD) that has never gone away.

      I had a close high school friend who at 70 years old acquired Leukemia. It took his life. Maybe had he known of the Bob Beck protocol he could have recovered from the Leukemia.

      • Henk Noordhuizen March 2, 2020 at 4:01 am Reply

        You’re right,Don;it’s all for money and power.Just that one frase,alone:”Your child is a minor,and under the “protection” of the government”. Meaning: YOU,and YOUR CHILDREN are OWNED by the government,and now,and for the next two years,we are gonna fill his young,not yet fullgrown body with hefty toxins,because WE think it might help.Ant there’s the money,of course,and the power to controle the people.

        I’m sorry for your friend,Don.One of my 3 brothers (the first younger brother;I’m the eldest of 4) died of leukemia as well.Well,that’s what his oncolog said.He was feeling tired and had some other symptoms (don’t know which;we never talked about those details) for 1 1/2 years,went from doctor to internist to several specialists but non of them could find the reason.Then,a young internist who had worked at a cancer hospital for his internship told him he had a suspicion of what it could be,and sent him to tha cancer clinic.They diagnosed leukemia,tortured him with chemo’s,tried to burn the evil out of him with hellfire (radiation) and gave him my stemcells.

        Well,it seemed to work;he was more tired then ever before,and had almost zero immunity (worse than while he had the leukemia),and after a year things went from bad to worse;the leukemia was back!Time for experiment nr.2.This time he gave him my T-cells.The intention was to do this 3 or four times,but they stopped after 2 times because the saw too little results,and sent him home to die.Leaving his girlfriend and his 8 year old boy behind.

        I knew from the start that something was terribly wrong.After the diagnose,on friday, he had to come to the clinic immediatly! No time to waste,because this form of leukemia is a fast killer (AML).After a lot of argueing he got permission to spend a last weekend at home,with wife and child.Which immediatly made me wonder why he had walked around with this “fast killer”for 1 1/2 years,not getting better,but not getting worse,eather.

        A little while ago the penny dropped.It probably all started with an infection (he was a teatcher,with a Master degree in sociology).Then,I guess, one of the many “I “guess” doctors,probably the first,or maybe the second might have thought “Let’s give him Cipro (my guess);it’s safe and might work”.That’s why all the next doctors couldn’t find out what was wrong with him,and when they examined him in the cancer clinic,they saw all these messed-up blood cells.Would they have looked at his other cells,they would probably have found the same mess.

        One thing is clear: if he,indeed,had AML,he would have gotten worse and worse during that 1 1/2 years,and might probably have died before they even had a chance to diagnose him in the cancer clinic.Where they found something,looking a bit like….money? Well,after he died,his girlfriend had an evaluation talk with his oncolog,and she admitted that they had stopped the last experiment too soon.He should have died much earlier,after they stopped the T-cell therapy,so,my T-cells seemed to have worked,after all.Just an assessment mistake;patient dead.Sorry.

        This was my favorite brother;intelligent and a great,social guy.Died 10 days before his 50th birthday,in 2005;I still mis him a lot :-((

        • Don M March 3, 2020 at 7:18 am

          Henk…… I must say that I have become afraid or a better explanation would be reluctant to go to MD doctors any more. My experience with “traditional medicine” this past couple of years has made me very wary of the practice. As I have said before my doctor of over 20 years had some trumped up charges made against him and his license was suspended. Since I am in an HMO I was immediately assigned to another doctor as my PC. Visited him, for my “intake” interview, and he had all the wrong answers and never heard of Fluoroquinolone Toxicity. He was scratched immediately! I must have a PC so I chose another doctor and went to him for my “intake” interview. Since I am one of those people who has a very serious case of white coat syndrome my blood pressure was up. Of course he did not like that . I spent the next 3 weeks at home documenting my BP with my own unit and returned with favorable results. He still insisted that I be on blood pressure medication. Scratch doctor number 2!!! Then there was a mix up “error” with the insurances my favorite doctor took. Again I was immediately assigned to another doctor as my PC. This one was a Nurse Practitioner that was one year out of school. Never even tried to see her! In the mean time my original doctor got squared off with the state medical board and his license was reinstated. This doctor, although and MD, is very different from a traditional MD. In his past he started as a chiropractor. He then went on to study nutrition and went on to earn his MD license. Recently he moved his practice to an organization that is composed of DO’s, chiropractors and ND doctors. It is an environment that is much more in tune with his ideas. He is also much more in tune with my idea of very limited or no lab made drugs. Very interesting how now, being in a different environment and shed of his previous MD surroundings how his true philosophy has changed.

          This little diatribe strays a bit from the reason this website is here but in reality my story mirrors that of many floxies. Clueless MD doctors who either “never heard of it” or try to down play and discredit people that are floxed when they try to explain Fluoroquinolone Toxicity to them.

        • Henk Noordhuizen March 3, 2020 at 9:44 am

          Well.Don,that a doctor isn’t aware of Fluoroquinolone Toxicity shouldn’t be a suprise to you,should it? The Farmafia is doing it’s utter best to keep them unkown of everything that could cost them income (and most doctors have the same atitude).Finding a doctor who’s unkown is not always their fault.When the new doc is reluctant,or even unwilling to get himself informed,when patients have info on FQTS or other things that could hurt his patients,this is a doc you should avoid!

          “Clueless MD doctors who either “never heard of it” or try to down play and discredit people that are floxed when they try to explain Fluoroquinolone Toxicity to them.”

          These are the worst among the doctors: being ridiculed while heavily damaged with a toxin,they may prescribe every day to other patients is so very depressing,and the last thing a Floxie needs.And,as soon as they get aware of your depression,they start to push Paroxitin or another “anti-depressant” on you,on top of that all.

          I just received my PQQ caps,and took the first cap;hoping that this will give some improvement.I’m also planning to use my BioTuner (former Brain Tuner),once or twice a week;with both my mood and my memory getting low,at the end of the winter;both could use a boost :-)) Motivating myself for a BB Protocol course,during the next month,as well.Was only taking 1 glass of ozonated water,first thing in the morning,and the MP,when and where needed,but I’m planning to use both the Silver Pulser and the Magnetic Pulser,every day,for at least a few months.

          I contacted Russ Torlage (Sota owner) about the Clark MP,and an other Clark website which offers the total BBP package,with the Clark MP,and an illegal copy of the Bob Beck Protocol leaflett included.Well;he knows this people,even warned them that the capacitor in theit MP is inadequate and will probably not last much longer than a year,just to help them (in spite of the fact that these people try to damage the Sota reputation with lies and false information!),but they ignored him,and never even answered his mail.

          As I already suspected,the Clark MP,according to Russ, is an almost exact copy/clone of te Sota MP,except for the capacitors.and it has almost the same output (just a bit lower in the fast mode).It is lacking the Sota quality,but it is a bit (20%) cheaper (The special capacitor,used in the Sota MP,is a very expensive one;that might partially explain the lower price of the Clack MP).I hope yours is gonna last long enough to make it worth the price,Don! Because of the (almost) equal output,the effect should be similar.What supprises me is the fact that,to extend the duration of the pulsing you have to push the start button 20 seconds (!),after every 20 minute cycle;this will surely make you a muscular man,Don ;)) Just kidding;I hope,you’ll enjoy the pulsing,and the effect on your health :-))

  34. Don M March 3, 2020 at 12:30 pm Reply

    Henk……… I have been waiting 4 days now for my Clark MP to be shipped. Just sent an email through eBay saying “I can’t use it if I don’t have it”. “Please ship it!!!” It must travel from North Dakota to Arizona. I order other things from North Dakota and they go to Idaho and then California before finally arriving in Phoenix.
    Clark is not the only one that is piggy backing off Bob Beck’s name. The more one looks the more one finds his name in their advertising. If I have problems with the Clark unit they will definitely be hearing from me.

    Since I have been looking into the various things I have done some research on capacitors. Very interesting information about them.

    • Henk Noordhuizen March 4, 2020 at 4:58 am Reply

      Don,I hope it will arriev on your doorstep,soon;sometimes packages take an amazing amount of time to arrive,seemingly,longer than in the good old stagecoach.I sent a package from the Netherlands to Colorado,on 13th of december,last year.It arrived in the USA pretty quick,but thet things got fuzzy;the package seemed to got lost.After some phnoecalls,and an investigation by the post aauthorities,the recipient got a bright idea and went to her local post office,and there it was! At that time it was the 9th of januari!

      The person who should have delivered the package to her just dumped it at the postoffice,changed the status in the system to;”Nobody home,I will try to deliver it a second time” within 1 minute after he left the office with the package! Of course,she didn’t find a message in her postbox,telling her the package was at the post office,as well;because he never drove to her house (where was,for sure somebody home at the time).I know postmen and women have a hard time,today,but ëarning” your money this way,by NOT doing your work?

      Yes;the “Beck” pulsers are all over the web,but the only devices,officially endorsed by Beck are the ones from Sota (and the home built,of course!).Dr.Clark never had a magnetic pulser,nor any of the other Sota/Beck devices;she only had het Clark Zapper.And,while Bob Beck had only one dream;to have people to build their own devices (or buy the Sota ones,because these meet his specifications),and take back power over their own health,he would have been horrified to see how his name,and the name of Hulda Clark are used by greedy people,today,selling devices of questionable quality,even selling his copywrited BB Protocol leaflet.

      Talking about capacitors;when you start building your own pulser,and have opened the photo flash unit,BE SHURE to remove the batteries and then shortcut the capacitor before touching anything inside.Pushing the flash test button after you removed the batteries will do,but,just to be shure;do shortcut the capacitor anyway.

      Yes;capacitors are interesting components.Today,on the hunt for better rechargeable batteries (electric cars,airplanes etc),the super capacitor has the attention of science,but the problem is that a capacitor is great in giving a lot of energy in a fraction of a second,while most of the devices need energy in a long,and more or less constant flow.Their other quality is the huge amount of energy,in a small package.Another promissing option is,the silver+zinc battery (non-toxic (!) and reliable;the army uses these batteries since long time).And now,with the demand for “super batteries” development goes fast.

  35. Don M March 4, 2020 at 3:13 pm Reply

    Henk…… This is an interesting site with many different tips about how to use the equipment. https://www.facebook.com/pg/sota.instruments/photos/?ref=page_internal
    Russ sure looks different than he did as a young man in Bob Beck’s seminars.
    Learning about a whole different slant on health is sure an interesting learning curve.

  36. Andrea March 4, 2020 at 3:18 pm Reply

    Hi guys, sadly I think I have to take a course of antibiotic. After reading a lot, and talking to the doctor (he knows about my journey with fluoroquinolones), I think I’m going to choose Zithromax. I know, what many of you are going to write…but please only share useful infos eg “I took it once and I did fine” or “I took it and I had a terrible relapse”. Or even feel free to share some helpful links abot it or suggest me another antibiotic which supposedly isn’t going to do much harm. I’m really scared, so please, only helpful comments, thanks. Thanks a lot.
    PS I choose Zythromax also based on this :


    • Henk Noordhuizen March 4, 2020 at 4:12 pm Reply

      I wish you good luck Andrea.Start with a good probiotic,and a pré-biotic,from day one,and supplement magnesium directly AFTER you finished the course.Starting magnesium during the course might not be a good idea because it will probably make the antibiotic less effective.Once again: good luck!

      • L March 4, 2020 at 4:27 pm Reply

        Although I would point out that Dr Jay Cohen had recommended taking magnesium DURING antibiotic treatment——just four hours apart from it.

        • Henk Noordhuizen March 5, 2020 at 4:16 am

          I agree with Dr.Cohen,but,knowing that Magn. lowers AB efficiency,and because Floxies are very reluctant taking any AB,if not with very good reasons,I would have a hard time to choose between the “Cohen method” ,and waiting with the magnesium untill after the AB course.It’s up to Andrea,to descide.

  37. Andrea March 5, 2020 at 7:12 am Reply

    Thanks L and Henk. Unfortunately, this is an infection I have to cure. It’s somenthing serious. Not just a UTI. I was reading about Zythromax which seems to be the first choice for my problem.
    Amoxicilline seemed to be the safest, but after reading lots of comments of other floxies I came to the conclusion that it’s just a roll of dice..Many (if I recall correctly you too Henk), had bad reaction from Amox, and Zythromax can have the same cardiac side effects of levofloxacin… https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4404501/
    I really don’t know what to do… L, Henk, just share your opinion, what would you do in my situation?

    • Don M March 5, 2020 at 7:37 am Reply

      Andrea…… Have you looked into the Bob Beck protocol? There are several different articles on the Internet and some Youtube videos of conferences where Bob Beck spoke. Maybe………… Maybe this would help you with your problems. https://www.bobbeck.com/pdfs/beck-protocol-handbook.pdf

      • Henk Noordhuizen March 5, 2020 at 7:54 am Reply

        Don,I’ve discussed with Andrea about the BB Protocol,over and over again,and sent him tons of information on the subject.The description of how to build your own magnetic pulser,for cheap,that got you interested to build one,was just one of the several times I described the build for him,and on his demand.Electro-medicine seems to be a bridge too far,for him,to cross.

        • Don M March 5, 2020 at 7:58 am

          Henk…….. All I can say about that is “sad”. With so many stories of success with the protocol it is very sad that people want to ignore it.

        • Henk Noordhuizen March 5, 2020 at 8:14 am

          Sorry;comprimated = compromised.

        • Andrea March 5, 2020 at 11:38 am

          Wow…and in my first comment on this topic I explecetly wrote “please only helpful comments”, and now here you are calling my choice or my opinion “sad”.
          Sorry for not completely trusting anything I read on the internet Don, but that’s just my business, not yours. If tomorrow I’m going to take that damn antibiotic, my health is in jeopardy. not yours. I’m freakin out right now, at the idea to take something that could hurt me,but I’m dealing with a bad infection now, prooved by tests I’ve done, but you couldn’t refrain to comment and judge my opinion, right? Thanks…
          Anyway, for your information, I’ve tried many so called alternative options, also based on what I’ve read on this website, but very few of them really helped. I’ve tried a form of magnetic therapy, ok, different from the Bob Beck’s one, but still something in the same field and expecially, not from big pharma. Didn’t helped, actually made feel worse. I’ve tried a natural probiotic, and I end up destroying my guts. I’ve tried so many supplements that made me feel weird or were just a waste of money. I’ve tried acupuncture, TENS stimulation, but they didin’t help. And, for your information, no, I’ve never tried colloidal silver, and I’m not going to try it, because for me, it’s risky business. Could have work for you, that’s great, I respect that, but I’m not going to try something that can cause an irreversible damage, and without any scientific evidence of its benefits.
          This website it’s ment to help each other, not to giving out our judgemental two cents…Anyway, who cares…if I’ll screw myself up even more, by taking an antibiotic, you and someone else here, could always enjoy that subtle pleasure of saying “I told you…”

        • Andrea S. March 5, 2020 at 2:17 pm

          Andrea I have not been following here much but if you have a full fledged infection and nothing else has worked, the antibiotic might be the only way. Problem can be, if you let it go and it gets worse and God forbid you end up sicker needing more harsher antiboitics you could be in more trouble then you are now. I just wanted to let you know I am thinking of you. Do you have a UTI?

        • Andrea March 5, 2020 at 11:44 am

          Henk, I’ve never asked you infos on how to build a magnetic pulser. I’ve asked you a few times infos on what it was all about, and how it helped you, since you are the one, who, often brings the topic up, but I’ve never asked you how to build one by myslef. Actually, everytime you described, by your own will, the technique, I’ve always told you that I’m not good at doing stuff like that, nor I have the will to do it…just sayin’

        • Henk Noordhuizen March 5, 2020 at 12:33 pm

          I ment to say that you asked me info about the Beck protocol,several times,and I know you’re not interested in building an MP,because you’re considering yourself to be “not a handy man”.That’s oké,but I wrote the extened version of the build once again because other readers might be interested.

          Andrea,the only “damage” Colloïdal Silver can cause is argyria.This is,indeed,permanent but not a health issue;it’s a cosmetic issue,only.Using high quality PURE CS can eliminate this risk to aproxamitely zero;it is a known fact that silver-salts and silver proteins are to blame.These compounds were often used in the past,the added salt or proteïns were probably mainly used to make it patentable.

          Oh,recent research hás shown it can make spermatoids very slow,and possibly even damage them……in rats.This is a temporary effect,and when having a serious infection,who cares about spermatoid speed? In rats? Untill now,this effect isn’t researched in humans,god knows why.Shouldn’t be thát difficult.

          Want to know the advantages of colloidal siver? Just go ti NCBI,or Pubmed,and type “colloïdal silver”.You still don’t have to believe everything you find on the internet,but those websites,in particular NCBI are quite reliable.

          And please,don’t be so hard on Don;he means to do well,and just ment to say it’s making him sad that you don’t trust the Bob Beck Protocol because you have a bad experience with an other form of electro-medicine (not at all related to the BB Protocol.But yes;the Tesla chair,you tried,IS an electrical device.Which,of course,means that ALL electrical devices are ineffective and only cause a worsening of symptoms,I guess.

          Whatever your choice,I really hope it will work out well for you.Good luck!

        • mmec7 March 5, 2020 at 3:32 pm

          Colloidal Silver. Is excellent.
          Now, the only way it will turn you ‘green’ is, IF you take mug fulls of the liquid **every **Day, for several months !!! Yes, there have been clonkers who have so taken – can’t invent it.
          What one does, is to buy it in a *spray bottle, at 20%. One sprays the back of the throat, and the mouth. It will help sort out bacteria.
          Can in addition, spray on hands and surfaces. I carry my spray bottle in my handbag. Swear by it, and have been using for years. Like some 25 years.
          I bring in with me when I have to go to hospital, spray the bedside table, locker, chair.
          Interesting info. Not that many years ago, colloidal silver was always used to wipe out the eyes of newborns…never a problem. Also use in animals, good for horses when they get those pesky flies storming their eyes in summer, Wipe with a cloth wrung out in water = initial clean. Then finish with cloth sprayed with the C.S.
          When you find scary stories directed at the alternative, as one can find re Colloidal Silver, check out who wrote it, under whose umbrella – will find it is paid for media, by pharma. Pharma cannot make money out of C. S. OK ?

        • Andrea March 5, 2020 at 2:26 pm

          Thanks Andrea S, that’s exaclty what I am afraid of…No, I don’t have an UTI, it’s something more serious

    • Henk Noordhuizen March 5, 2020 at 7:41 am Reply

      Andrea,my bad reaction was from a combi of Amoxicillin adn Metronidazole.The most obvious “guilty”one,of the two,is probably the Metronidazole,and the combi of the two.Amoxicillin seems to be well tolerated by most people.After reading about the possible side effects of azithromycin,I’d go for the Amoxicillin,fot sure.Did you have your issue tested? Proof of the identity of the pathogen;not a suspected infection,or a suspected pathogen identity?

      • Don M March 5, 2020 at 7:54 am Reply

        Andrea……. Yes! Proof. Far to many doctors now days either don’t make sure of the existence of a pathogen and which one it is or go with the “suspected” idea.

        • Henk Noordhuizen March 5, 2020 at 8:12 am

          Testing for the pathogen has many advantages.Not just,to be sure that,and which pathogen is involved,but also,that it allows the doctor to prescribe a narrow spectrum,specifically aimed at that pathogen,Your (his) already comprimated gut flora will be gratefull.

          Today,the Farmafia almost stopped producing these narrow spectrum anti-biotics,which isn’t just a shame,but,in fact,a crime against human health.

          Don,it’s so hard for most people,to believe that something simple like using small electrical currents,and electromagnetic pulses could cure them.The first reaction,when you tell them about this method is:”When it’s so simple,safe and cheap,then why don’t doctors use it?” They don’t want to accept the fact that the modern medical system is corrupted,and has no gain in healthy people.”Make them customers for life,but try,not to kill them too soon;we need/want their money”.And many think that electricity is dangerous,not something you’d want to use in a medical treatment.

    • L March 5, 2020 at 12:51 pm Reply

      Well, if it were me, I would first go to my naturopath and ask what he would recommend. (As an aside, they are using high dose vitamin c IV in china to treat the corona virus. Of course you won’t hear that here, thanks to big pharma. No money in that.) (Or I might go to my integrative internist and ask his opinion on which would be the safest choice.) I would also go by the list Lisa provided and narrow it down to either amoxicillin, cephalosporin or maybe zpack. And I would follow Dr Cohen’s protocol and use magnesium four hours apart from each dose.

      • Andrea March 5, 2020 at 2:23 pm Reply

        Thanks L. Yeah, amoxicillin seems to be the safest one, but if you scroll down and look at the comments, you’ll find some other floxies describing pretty scary stuff from it…of course we’re all different. In my experience I can only say that, since being floxed, I’ve took aspirin, acyclovir and an alpha blocker without any serious side effect. Never took an antibiotic though…Thanks again L

        • Andrea March 5, 2020 at 2:23 pm

          I mean, if you scroll down in the page of the link I posted earlier

        • Andrea S. March 5, 2020 at 2:27 pm

          I typed up a response on Amoxicillian and it vanished. Hmmm anyhow I had it recently and it made me sick but nothing that stayed with me. Just the time while taking it. I researched the India brand I was given and it got negative reviews across the board. So I got another RX for it for a tooth problem. I went back and asked for another brand and was yelled at by the pharmacist as if I was a nutjob asking for a different brand? I grabbed the rx out of her miserable hands and went next door. I got a different brand. While taking it, none of my symptoms worsened at all. I did feel sick while taking it, but all my life whenever I took amox it made me feel lousy until I was done with the course.

        • L March 5, 2020 at 3:09 pm

          well, if you have weathered all those, I think odds are in your favor you will handle the antibiotic. Hell, I’ve had contrast dye which is really nasty and toxic, and I have done fine with a several different anesthetics that others have had issues with. And I was a walking (well shuffling) floxie nightmare

          Another thing that can help immensely is protecting the gut microbiome. I would start on prebiotics (or eat a lot of prebiotic foods, like say jicama) and a good, multi-strain probiotic before you even start the antibiotic and continue on through and even past taking it.

          The reason I first mentioned my naturopath was two fold. First, I would ask if there was a natural IV I could do in lieu of the antibiotic. Second, if there wasn’t, he would tell me the best way to minimize any side effects from it.

        • Andrea March 6, 2020 at 5:18 am

          Thanks L. Your comments and suggestions are always grealty appreciated

        • L March 6, 2020 at 11:33 am

          You’re welcome. With some preventative help, I think you’ll do just fine.

        • Andrea March 6, 2020 at 12:12 pm

          Touch wood!

    • Andrea S. March 5, 2020 at 2:23 pm Reply

      Andrea I was given Amoxicillian 800mg for a UTI. So yeah it did not make me feel well but it did not worsen any existing symptoms I had. It just made me generally feel like shit as all meds do but it went away. Headache etc. But the thing is, it was a brand from India. I researched that company and a lot of folks were complaining on the quality of that amox. They use all kinds of fillers. I went to the pharmacy to pick up more as now I have a tooth problem. I went to the same pharmacy asking for a different brand. The tech could not understand what I was saying and got the pharmacist. She came over and yelled at me “That’s the ONLY brand we have” and looked at me like I was a little green alien. So I grabbed my RX out of her bitchy litle hands and went next door and got a different brand. They are all different I believe. Anyhow just something to consider. Amoxicillian does not come in a non generic form. If you have the option to ask for BRAND name and non generic you will be getting a better med IMHO. Anyhow I did ok with it and just wanted to let you know.

      • Andrea March 5, 2020 at 2:30 pm Reply

        Thanks a lot Andrea S.
        Can you tell me for how long did you take the A. Was it just a single dose or more? I’m supposed to take a single dose of 1000 mg of Azitromicin or 500 mg of Amoxicillin 3 times a day for 7 days…

        • Andrea S. March 5, 2020 at 4:10 pm

          It was 800mg twice daily for 7 days. (I will be honest, I started on that dose but over a few days split it in half so I only did 800 a day). I did get a headache on it, general crappy feeling but with the Cipro when I first took that I did not sleep for I think 10 days total. It severely jacked up my sleep cycle like I drank 20 gallons of starbucks coffee.. I had no sleep issues on the Amox. No lingering side effects.

          For me I am one of the lucky ones. Mild Cipro toxicity (symptoms anyhow) Plantar facitis, messed up sleep, anxiety, hard time regulating body temperature, some strange nerve issues. My fear was if I did not take the Amox that I could get a kidney infection that could be far more dangerous so I really had to weight the risks and even then I was terrible at following the docs instructions on dosage. I just don’t trust doctors anymore. I know your afraid of taking anything and I absolutely cannot blame you. For me and my research Amoxicillian seems the safest in terms of long term damage. I am so sorry your in this predicament.

          Wishing you the best!

        • Andrea March 5, 2020 at 4:58 pm

          Thnaks a lot Andrea S. Another thing I have to consider is the duration of the treatment, like I wrote in the other post, only one dose, vs several doses for several days…

        • Henk Noordhuizen March 6, 2020 at 1:53 am

          Andrea,taking only one dose a day makes it easier to keep 4 or more hours between the AB and a good magnesium supplement.And,like both L. and I suggested;use a high quality probiotic,best being combined with a good pré-biotic during the course.Starting,days before you take the first AB dose is a good idea;I agree with L. here.

        • Henk Noordhuizen March 6, 2020 at 2:41 am

          The magnesium supplement,while taking Amoxicillin,is very important because this AB is a known magnesium robber.Take care,Andrea,and be well.

        • Andrea S. March 5, 2020 at 5:07 pm

          I understand your predicament. Hmmm I am not sure what I would do. Part of me would want to tackle it with just one pill. Which one is supposed to work better for your ailment? I’ll research Azitromicin and see what I find.

        • Andrea S. March 5, 2020 at 5:10 pm


          Here are some reviews on Drugs.com. Maybe this can help?

        • Andrea March 6, 2020 at 5:24 am

          The one which is supposed to work better is Azitromicin, Amoxicillin is used too, but as a second choice, for example, pregnant women, because it should a little more easy on your body…
          Thanks for the support Andrea, and Henk too.

          PS Henk, with Azitromicin I’m supposed to take only one dose in total, not one dose averyday. The treatment is One pill, that’s it.

        • Henk Noordhuizen March 6, 2020 at 6:06 am

          The suggestion for the magn.supp. was,in the first place,ment,in case you go for the Amoxi,Andrea;this is known to be an extreme magnesium robber.Although I used Losec,a PPI,for 6 years,by then,my cardiac arrithmea’s started right after the Amoxi/Metronidazole course.

          An AB course of just ONE pill? Sounds like powerfull stuff. It’s this info,that makes me worried:

          “In 2013 the FDA issued a warning that azithromycin “can cause abnormal changes in the electrical activity of the heart that may lead to a potentially fatal irregular heart rhythm.”

        • Henk Noordhuizen March 7, 2020 at 7:22 am

          Andrea,Azitromicin is a “One Pill,Only” course because it takes long for the body,to eleminate it.This means that the magnesium supplement,4 hours after the AB,isn’t a good idea;this would compromise the effect of the AB.So,when using Azitromicin,you’d have to wait untill the AB has done it’s job,before magn.supplement can be taken.

      • L March 5, 2020 at 3:11 pm Reply

        “So I grabbed my RX out of her bitchy litle hands and went next door ” 🙂

        • Andrea S. March 5, 2020 at 4:18 pm

          L It frustrates me so much that these doctors and pharmacists think we are all stupid people who should just pop anything in our mouth without asking questions or doing research. When I got back in the car with my husband I said ” Seriously It is our God given right to ask questions and request different things”. I guess maybe the average American just gets it filled and takes it without question?

        • L March 5, 2020 at 4:33 pm

          Sadly, yes. There need to be more of these moments like you shared. (I wrote on here recently that when a HORRIBLE neurologist who was so uninformed and condescending refused to turn over all my records, as I left I told the people in the waiting room “Run for your lives!” (I was informed he would call the police if I ever returned. It was SO worth it.) I also went back to the offices of a dozen of doctors I saw who were beyond ignorant regarding FLQ toxicity, and I dropped off a paper on fluoroquinolone associated disability and stapled to the front of it a copy of the cover of Dr. Cohen’s book: “How We Can Halt The Cipro & Levaquin Catastrophe: The Worst Medication Disaster In U.S. History” The callow ignorance has got to end.

        • Henk Noordhuizen March 6, 2020 at 1:48 am

          Not only pharmacists react this way;the first time I went to my ,then new,doctor,who had assured me she was very reluctant in prescribing medicines,she diagnosed a bladder infaction (those roten kidney stones :-(( and prescribed me…Cipro.But,after collecting the medicine from the pharmacy (both doc and pharmacist gave me no warnings at all),and going home through the freezing cold,I noticed that the weird fever-feeling was vanishing,and after 1/2 hour (first had to warm up a bit) I checked my temperature and it was going down.

          So,I continued what I was already doing since a few days;pulsing my blaadder area for 10-20 minutes with my Magnetic Pulser,and within a few days my bladder infection had gone.Coming back at the doctor for control,I told her that I didn’t take the Cipro becaause I didn’t need it,after all.That was the first time that she (my “brandnew” doctor) got ANGRY at me.For NOT taking the antibiotic,so,NOT adding to the risk of bacteria getting resistant to it.How professional,acting like that.I should have known there was more to come,and YES,in the end she finally got me,6 years later,with her Cipro! She is not a bad doctor;she’s an evil doctor (who also tried to put me on Paroxitin,for falling asleep a bit easier;this,too is a “medicine”,made in hell).

        • Andrea S. March 6, 2020 at 7:26 am

          Henk very frustrating for sure. I don’t know if it’s just me as I am super sensitive to these things but when this happens to me (where a pharmacist or a doc treats me as if I am crazy to ask questions) it makes me feel ashamed and as if I am a hypochondriac. I know that all my questions and concerns are justified. I mean it’s our God given right to ask questions and be our own advocate.

          My husband is stuck in traditional old school medicine. He trusts his docs. One example he is on synthroid for autoimmune thyroid. So he gets his meds from a mail in pharmacy. The doc says that his numbers are off and looks at his chart and he is on generic thyroid meds. He calls him in non generic. I take both bottles, new name brand and the generic. they are the exact same name brand pills. He was never on generic despite the pharmacy telling him so. I got the pills and showed my husband. He said oh! So he goes back to the doc and says well I think they are the same pills. She said oh they can look the same don’t worry. Well it is not a matter of looking the same, the pills were the same pill name brand stamp and code. I told him why did you not tell her they are the same pill instead of they “look” the same? So I had to show him on drugs.com that his pills are the same. He said oh wow what the hell? And I told him duh really? Common! I told him so why did you not look at the medication you are taking in the first place. Don’t we all research pills before we pop them in our mouths? He might now have an understanding but we have to be our own advocates and hopefully have a partner or friend who can also help out.

        • Henk Noordhuizen March 6, 2020 at 7:48 am

          “it makes me feel ashamed and as if I am a hypochondriac”.

          No reason to feel ashamed or hypochondric;it’s for the doctor,to feel ashamed.Because of his arrogance and his total lack of respect for his patients.When you have to show him that both bottles contain exactly the same pills,who’s the stupid one,here?

        • Andrea S. March 6, 2020 at 12:29 pm

          Exactly. I yelled at the hubby saying what is seriously wrong with you? But I am also the one who spent endless hours researching Hashimotos and got him several books to read (which he never did). So ultimately it’s his disease and he can manage it how he so chooses. One would think an engineer would be more methodical and research oriented??

        • L March 6, 2020 at 11:41 am

          Most cases, there really is no difference in the generic and brand name regarding efficacy. It’s the same formula that has been sold to another company to produce. (Which is behind the convoluted theory of why we can’t sue the drug manufacturers.) You can get just as poisoned from the brand name as the generic of cipro. https://www.medicinenet.com/generic_drugs_are_they_as_good_as_brand-names/views.htm

        • Henk Noordhuizen March 6, 2020 at 12:18 pm

          L.that’s not totaly right.First of all;those generics,coming from Chia and India,often have,sometimes dangerous,contaminations.And while the active ingredient should be the same,they often differ in the fillers,binders etc.

        • nr reedy March 5, 2020 at 9:52 pm

          Andrea I take amoxicillin and amoxicillin/clavulanate. Just the amoxicillin for UTI the stronger one for diverticulitis. I have no problem with either except I am probably getting immune to it. I have talked to many floxies over the years and amoxicillin seems to be the safest on us. I am pretty sure Henk’s reaction was from metronidazole as notorious for side effects. The best advice I can give after years of this fight is just stop being afraid and do what is the best thing for your condition. I can’t tell you how many things this has made me afraid of then when I HAD to do it and face it nothing happened. Good luck!

        • Henk Noordhuizen March 6, 2020 at 2:35 am

          That’s what I’m convinced of;although being sich and having diarrea from the combi,the main problems (the glucose/carbo intolerance that never fully got away,and some other issue’s) where probably caused by the Metronidazole/Flagyl.over a year later,and still looking or a solution to the problems,this AB course caused to my health,I fond a blog from a doctor who noticed,and was amazed,to see how many people had to stop the course of Metronidazole,he’d prescribed,because of the severe adverse reactions.

          If I’m remembering right,the WHO put it on their list of possibly carcinogenic (not enough proof,YET.And not much research on the risk,either.


        • Andrea March 6, 2020 at 5:29 am

          Thank you nr Reedy, I really appreciate it. Yeah being afraid it’s awful…

        • A.Coleman March 6, 2020 at 2:00 pm

          I too wonder that all doctors and pharmacists think we aren’t smart enough to have valid opinions. After my horrible floxie reaction I had my mother put she was allergic to fluoroquinolones on her medical record. I am also a C677T MTHFR and I have since figured out that I got that from her; so I suspect I inherited my floxie impacted genes from her too.

          Yesterday she went to the doctor for a pre-op consult in advance of shoulder replacement surgery. The nurse asked her how she reacted to fluoroquinolones and she said she had never had them but her son had a long term very negative reaction. The nurse yelled at her and told her that then “She wasn’t allergic” and they would not consider her allergic if an FQ antibiotic were needed following surgery.

          My mom’s 80 and surgery is bad enough without that stupid stress. So, today I called the doctor directly and explained why they would NOT be using FQs on my mother; unless they first consulted her and me directly and even then it would have to be a life and death issue.

        • Andrea S. March 6, 2020 at 2:25 pm

          A.Coleman that’s some scary stuff. Thank God your Mother has you as her advocate. The elderly are at even greater risk. My Dad took Cipro for years for prostate and UTI issues. He ultimately died at 85 but it was abrupt. I will never know if Cipro was the cause but I am certain it did not help.

          Seriously I can’t understand why they are even considering giving patients this stuff. Even on the major drug sites they state that it should be a last resort drug.

        • L March 6, 2020 at 2:48 pm

          What is the shoulder issue? I am wondering if surgery is absolutely necessary? (UGH and prescribing FLQ to anyone over 60….black box warning) I ask because perhaps prolozone or prp injections might be an alternative

        • A.Coleman March 6, 2020 at 3:28 pm


          Thanks for the thought about not doing the replacement. It is necessary unfortunately. My mother is severely arthritic. She already has had both knees replaced and the other shoulder replaced. She put this one off for several years and the last time she was at the doctor and had an MRI they told her that it is literally bone on bone with zero cartilage left in many locations. Can only imagine the actual pain.

          And please note that I do not think there were any plans to give her an FQ it was just the way the nurse reacted that had me upset. Obviously if her son, who has 50% of her genetic makeup, had such a sever reaction the chances she would too are high. Add to that all the black box warnings.

          The doctor was much more understanding when I spoke to him; sounds like the nurse was the problem.

        • L March 6, 2020 at 3:33 pm

          OK. Glad to hear she wasn’t going to give her FLQ. And it is unfortunate you have to say “I’m allergic,” which really isn’t the case. It’s toxic and it would harm anyone at some point, according to their own threshold. It’s like saying “I’m allergic to gunshot wounds.”

          You know best your mothers issues, but just want to mention this for anyone else reading this that prolozone and/or PRP are used not just for things like torn meniscus, ruptured tendons, etc They are also used for arthritic conditions. The father of a friend had his knees, hips and back all injected, and said he felt like a knew man. Good luck with your mom. Glad she has you looking out for her.

      • Henk Noordhuizen March 6, 2020 at 1:24 am Reply

        That’s right,Andrea;most of our medicines,and the main substances for making medicines are produced in China and India,and of very low quality.They also have lots of contaminations.In the EU,around 25 % of those “medicines” and basic substances is stopped at the EU border because of these contaminations but probably at least as much is presumed to pass,and end up in our “medicines”.Here,in the Netherlands,many patients,going from “the original”,which,of course,is more exoensive,to a generic one,are complaining about it being less effective and having more adverse reactions.Money,money,money….

    • Madge Hirsch March 5, 2020 at 6:42 pm Reply

      Andrea -I have taken Augmentin twice since being floxed ( last time for a fortnight) with no real problems apart from diarrhea. I have afib but it did not set off an attack.

      • Andrea March 5, 2020 at 6:46 pm Reply

        Thanks Madge. Any experience with zithromax?

        • Madge Hirsch March 6, 2020 at 6:53 pm

          No . I don’t think I have ever had that.

  38. Henk Noordhuizen March 6, 2020 at 2:52 am Reply

    And this is the way things work:


    What a nice world,we live in;we can’t trust the industries,AND we can’t trust our governments,who are supposed to protet us agains those evil industries!

    • Don M March 6, 2020 at 6:47 am Reply

      Henk…And all floxies……. As Shannon Bream of Fox news says. “We must be our own fiercest advocates when it comes to our health.” She was searching for a doctor who would believe her and help her with serious recurring headaches.

      Shannon Bream is an American journalist for Fox News. In 2017, Bream became the host of the prime time program Fox News @ Night.

      As Bob Beck said so many times “Take Back Your Power”.

      • L March 6, 2020 at 11:36 am Reply

        Well I hope she’s an exception because I wouldn’t believe anything from Fox.

    • Nicole March 6, 2020 at 9:49 am Reply

      You know Henk, Fragyl is 1st choice drug for C-diff. I was on it for 21 days from getting C-diff from cipro years ago. When the big FQ reaction hit me I was put on Cipro/Fragyl for diverticulitis. I was at that point just worried about cipro giving me C-diff and they said since I was taken Fragyl with it that wouldn’t happen. I did not know some of the other things wrong with me was from prior use of cipro. So go figure!
      Of course when the big one got me not only was I double dose in ER but on flouride induced statin, steroid and so on. They failed to notice for many days that the first cipro caused acute hepatitis even though I told them about the pain in my right upper front and back I passed out from.
      Unfortunately when we are seniors we are just treated like we are stupid and don’t know how to take care of of ourselves. I was 65 looked early 50’s and a very happy and mostly healthy person.
      She’s gone now. That’s life I guess.

    • L March 6, 2020 at 11:27 am Reply

      I just read that too, and I wanted to post to FB but I didn’t post the Mercola one, because as much as I like him, I know a lot of main stream people believe the “quack” misnomer he got from the whole ama/big pharma cabal. So I found a similar post on Bobby kennedy Jr’s Children’s Health website. FB would NOT let me post it. Grrrr.

  39. Cory March 7, 2020 at 9:33 am Reply

    Anyone have trouble completing a sneeze after being floxed? If so does it resolve with time?

  40. Don M March 8, 2020 at 6:44 am Reply

    Henk……. Many posts back we were discussing the Sota Magnetic Pulser as compared to the Dr. Clark Mag Zapper. Your comment about the need to hold down the start button for 20 seconds to the extend a program on the Mag Zapper is not exactly correct. The actual operation is that to extent the program one must press the start button within 20 seconds of program end to start it over again. Little importance or concern because outside this 20 second window just pressing the start button will start the pulser. The directions available for the Dr. Clark Mag Zapper are a bit confusing. Possibly because they are translated from Chinese.
    To soon to tell about all the claims for magnetic pulsing but one thing is for sure. Magnetic pulsing does mitigate pain. I many cases it completely eliminates it. All be it temporarily but since it is a non invasive thing it can be repeated. Word is that repeated use will eventually eliminate the pain. We will see.

    • Henk Noordhuizen March 8, 2020 at 7:30 am Reply

      Don,I’ve probably read,or understanded that wrong.Again;proof of an excact copy of the Sota MP.The only differences seems to to be the housing,and the cheaper capacitors.I think it’s not a confusion,caused by a translation from a chinese manual because the whole info,and probably,the manual included seems to be copied from the Sota website,just like what they did with the magnetic pulser.

      Did you receive your Clark Pulser? I’m quire curious if your experiences are as good as mine.From all the Sota devices I own (Bio Tuner,Silver Pulser,Magnetic Pulser and Ozone Generator,the Magnetic Pulser is by far the most frequently used,with the Ozone Generator on the second place,with one glass of ozonated water,every day.

      Did you get a printed version of the Clark Pulser,or is it downloadable from their website? I would like to compare it to the Sota manual.

  41. Don M March 8, 2020 at 10:26 am Reply

    Henk….. I have only had the pulser for 2 days so an evaluation is not really possible. I do know from my limited experience with it that it definitely does mitigate or in some cases eliminate pain. The other claims are not so visible so one must allow the time for them to work. One thing that seems to be hard to pin down is which side of the paddle to use. From what I glean from postings it is supposed to be the North side (one labeled “N”). The uses for the “S” side seem to be limited and in some cases not at all beneficial. The only place I saw this (regarding which side to use) was on Russ’s how to use the Sota Mag Pulser video. Positive information is out there but one must read a lot for different sites to get a clearer picture. Everyone seems to be being very careful not to give to much information or make any sort of medical claims because of the wrath that could be bestowed on them by our FDA.

    Manual….. The included manual (English pages) was only 3 pages long. It certainly did not give much information. Here is the sales pitch from the web site where I got the Dr. Clark MagZapper. I actually bought it through eBay but in reality they were the sellers. https://www.balkowitsch.com/ProductID-3087-ProductDetails.aspx
    Maybe this will give you some of what you are looking for.

    “The only differences seems to to be the housing,and the cheaper capacitors.” Other than the rheostat that allows one to select 5 different output levels they appear to be identical in function.

    About available pulsers. They seem to be in some form rather prolific. Go to eBay and you will find several different varieties. Usually all made in China.

    Now to get back to why this site is here. I think that many people and floxies are missing the boat completely by discounting the power of Magnetic Pulsing. All seem to be so interested in finding “that right pill or right IV” to make them feel better. The more I read the more convinced I am that Bob Beck’s idea regarding the body and using electric currents to repair it and maintain it are right on. Oh! And not forgetting the ozonated water to help increase the oxygen level in the body or the Colloidal Silver to stave off all sorts of pathogens.

    • Henk Noordhuizen March 8, 2020 at 12:08 pm Reply

      There is a belief,saying thet the north sid of a magnet disables/inactivates pathogens,and the south pole is concidered to activate them (something you wouldn’t want to.This is kind of a myth,and in fact there’s no proof at all that there’s a difference in how both poles work.But,just to be sure,use the N-pole for pains and infections.

      The 5 different output levels are of little importance;Sota added the low output/quick reload setting for using at issues that don’t need deep penetration (skin,or right under the skin),and for speeding up the session.Forget about the other 3 settings;they hardly have any use.

      Yes,the Farmafia managed to create hefty regulations on everything alternative,while claiming things like efficience and safety for their own concotions,very often based on fraudulent data and corrupted research.The main reason for creating the patent system,aand the rule that only patented “medicines” are permitted is,to make it impossible for doctors to use natural medicines,that have proven to be effective and safe,during centuries,sometimes even millenia of use.Knowing that between 50-75 % of their “medicines” is based on natural remedies makes it all the harder to swallow;

      This system was,from the start,aimed to create a monopoly,all and everything for money and power.And they succeeded. Now,it’s for us,to take our rights,power and control over our own body and health back!Investing in electro-medicine like the Sota devices,and studying herbal medicine are a good start.Add knowledge of healthy foods,sometimes even useable as a medicine on it’s own,and things like meditation,and our doctors will start to really dislike you/us ;-))

      My doc didn’t like that the first time she prescribed Cipro,I didn’t use,or need it (first time,she got angry to me,and just the second time I ever visited her.I told her how my MP helped me and she asked me to bring it with me,on my next appointment.The look on her face,when I showed the devices,said it all;a mix of disbelieve and irritation.The fact that I hardly visited her since than will have irritated her even more,and when I was in extreme pain and had a 39,9 degree fever several years since my last visit,she might have thought:”Time for my revenge”,and prescribed me Cipro,a second time.

      During that first time,she also tried to push Paroxitin (Paxil/Seroxat) on me but I refused.After the Cipro debacle she tried,once again.Both have Fluorid in it;that must be her favorite poison.In the meantime the specialist in the hospital prescribed me the Flecaïnide Acetaat,and guess what? Oké;that was an easy one;it has Fluoride in it.

      Glad,to hear that your MP did arrive! I hope it will serve you well!

    • Henk Noordhuizen March 8, 2020 at 12:28 pm Reply

      Okay;I visited the website you linked.No manual,and the first think that struck my eye: “Manufacturer: Dr. Clark” Dr. Clark never had a magnetic pulser made,and never used one;she only had her Clark Zapper (which is a totaly different technique,not resembling any of the Beck devices.And she had her herbal remedies.

      The difference in price between the Clark,and the Sota device isn’t thát big;the better quality of the Sota Pulser is,in my opinion,well worth the extra money.I think I was lucky ttah,when I bought the MP,there wasn’t much choice between different trademarks and models,making a choice that much easier.And,at that time,I was very familiar with the Beck Protocol,and the Sota devices (after first building a “Blood Purifier/Silver Pulser” and a magnetic pulser,myself.And a seperate device,with current limitter,for making CS).Things have changed.I would still go for the Sota devices or,when short in money,build them myself.

      Before I forget;when starting with the MP,start slowly,lengtening the duration of the pulsing step by step.And it’s very important to drink a lot of water,to prevent you from getting a Herxheimer reaction by a massive kill-off of pathogens.

  42. Michael Tombros March 8, 2020 at 1:59 pm Reply

    Hi all,

    Hope everyone is doing well. I had a really bad flare up last 24 hours. I was quite shocked because I saw myself getting better with some ups and downs. For the first time since my floxing in June I had paraesthesia all over my body and a big flare up of pain in my legs which were the worst affected. For the first time since July or August last year I’ve had to take a day off work today,

    I was reading flox report and it says that moderate reactions tend to peak at around 1 year and plateau there before winding down to recovery after a further year. Whereas severe reactions it says can escalate further beyond 1 year to 2 years or more, and only after that do you get improvements, the whole healing taking 5 y ears or more with permanent deficits guaranteed.

    What do people think of flox report? is it reliable (it’s a bit old)

    • L March 8, 2020 at 4:39 pm Reply

      I think no one really knows, and everyone has a very different timeline. For my, my absolute worst were the first year. After that when I had some rebounding, they were much less than the initial floxing. That said, I have now had some bizarre congestion issue (nose, throat, lungs) that 15 doctors and multiple tests cannot figure out. I fear it is again tied to my floxing, 5 years ago, perhaps autonomic nerve dysfunction or some weird auto immune thig. And it’s bad. It keeps me up most nights, feeling like I am suffocating, and effects my days as well. The thing is, there really is no way to tell. So if it is NOT linked to the flq toxicity, then my “recovery” has been mostly good (with some likely permanent side effects like tinnitus, PN, smell and light sensitivities and vision issues) since the first year on.

      • Michael March 8, 2020 at 6:27 pm Reply

        Thanks that’s helpful. I’ll just put this down to a bad flare up. Hopefully it should settle down soon.

        I did some exercise and had a glass of wine yesterday. Maybe that was the trigger?

        I’ll stay hopeful. Have you read the flox report? What do you think of it?


        • L March 8, 2020 at 8:07 pm

          I read it a long time ago (years), so you might want to ask someone who has done so more recently.

          For the first year I had no wine, no coffee, (well I mostly lived on smoothies because it was either gasp for breath or chew, so I chose the former.) But about 14 months out I had a cup of coffee. No issues. Then a bit later, a glass of wine, again no issues. I have even had a couple glasses at times, with no problem. (And even the occasional single malt scotch 🙂 ) Never any issues from either.

        • Henk Noordhuizen March 9, 2020 at 3:44 am

          Michael,don’t blaim the exercise;it was most probably the wine that caused this relapse.I am among the lucky Floxies and can stand a bit of alcohol.That is: óne bottle of beer,óne glass of wine,or óne little glas of liquor.A few months ago I drank two bottles of beer (the strong special beers,high in alcohol) and that night I woke up from having the heart palpitations back,tendon- and nerve pains a bit worse,joints and my eyes a bit unstable (not the extreme double vision I had during the second year,but a light one).

          Other things you might like to avoid because they can cause a relapse:Fluoride (the worst!),and MSG,as far as my experience goes,so far.And a growing list of “medicines,especiaally the once with a Fluoride component (20-25 % of all “medicines).

          Relapses,most of the time,last from one to a few days,so.I hope you’re lucky.

        • A.Coleman March 9, 2020 at 7:03 am


          Hi, I am in my fourth year post floxing and almost always have a relapse around the one year mark and typically a smaller relapse at the six month mark of my “floxiversary”. Two of those year anniversary relapses were bad; the worst at year one added a bunch of new symptoms. I have had some of those milestones pass with very small relapses; so I tend to support what the floxie report has to say on timing.

          I am getting better and one day expect to be able to write a recovery story. I am defining that as 95% better 95% of the time. Suspect I will always have some lingering PN issues as that has been with me since day one and while it has gotten better it is never truly gone.

          As to the triggers; who knows. Either alcohol or exercise could be the trigger. I very much disagree with Henk’s suggestion not to blame the exercise. Exercise is a know detox trigger and if you have not been exercising much since being floxed then I think that is the most likely culprit. If you have been exercising then it may or not be the trigger. Read here for more on the impact of exercise on triggering detox – https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/science/science-news/11121879/Exercise-detoxes-body-of-depressive-chemicals-scientists-find.html

          I have tried to continue exercising as much as possible from day one post floxing (I didn’t do anything other than go for walks for the first 3 months); and I know there are some days that it triggers mild detox reactions. This is similar to Epsom salt baths for me. I almost always feel fatigued and down a few hours after a detoxing Epsom salt bath; but better the next few days.

          All in all relapses are a part of being a floxie. Some will be hardly noticed and others will be major and may take months until you are back to where you were before. I think the roller coaster recovery from FQ poisoning is the hardest part and as you get closer to “normal” it is even harder to deal with that roller coaster.

          Keep the faith and eventually you will reach the goal.

        • Henk Noordhuizen March 9, 2020 at 11:29 am

          The symptoms Michael mentioned were those of being floxed.Symptoms after exercise (detox symptoms) are different (wiki):fever, chills, rigor, hypotension, headache, tachycardia, hyperventilation, vasodilation with flushing, myalgia (muscle pain), exacerbation of skin lesions and anxiety.

          I just had Herxheimer;started the full Bob Beck Protocol,first day 20 minutes of Silver Pulser (Blood cleansing),but he second day I forgot about the time,whatching a documentary,and probably did a blood cleanse of 2 1/2 hours,maybe even longer.Next day I felt horrible,and was shivering,having a mild headache,blood pressure dropt over 20 points and had an overall feeling of malaise.Took a few days to feel fully well (for a Floxie) again,while continuing the protocol on a low scale,and drinking more fluid,in particular water.

        • Henk Noordhuizen March 9, 2020 at 11:41 am

          Forgot one of the main symptoms of my Herxheimer experience of last week;I felt extremely tired,and flu-like,without having other typical flu symptoms.Have had mild Herxheimer symptomes,before,but never anything in this order.

          Since I’m being floxed,these kind of things happen regularly;forgetting the time,having something cooking on the stove,etc.It depresses me a lot;the feeling that 4 pills turned me in some kind of a zombie,in just a few days.

    • Michael March 9, 2020 at 1:41 pm Reply

      OK thanks all of you. L, Henk and A.Coleman… by the way A.Coleman what does the ‘A’ stand for ?

      It’s hard for me to tell exactly what set this off but I am better today. Today is a not so good day also but more like ‘baseline’ not so good and more like a recovery day otherwise.

      I have had worsening neuropathic symptoms after exercise before and I put this down to oxidative stress or possibly as Coleman says the detox. However, what I felt yesterday was more of a full relapse of flox symptoms: anxiety, malaise, slight palpitations, dizzy, myalgia, arthralgia, all over body pain, worsening neuropathy in both upper and lower limbs (usually these days I just have it in my legs). I have in the past also tolerated a bit of alcohol (one gin and tonic, one glass of white wine, one beer …). But this was red wine. Some people have suggested it could be sulfite reaction in the red wine.

      In any case thank you again. I am going for hyperbaric O2 therapy today and acupuncture tomorrow. Fingers crossed I’m staying hopeful.

      I really do believe this stays in your body bound to intercellular proteins, DNA, GABA receptors etc the half life once in a stabilized form is years according to flox report


      • Henk Noordhuizen March 9, 2020 at 1:48 pm Reply

        White wine usualy contains more sulfite than red whine.And;the better the wine,the less sulfate.Your symptoms,more or less,correspond to mine after the “beer relapse”,the MSG relapse and the stress relapse I had in december,last year.Glad,to hear that,today,you’ve recovered quite well.

        • Michael March 9, 2020 at 1:52 pm

          Yes thanks Henk I agree I think it was a temporary relapse after the trigger which could well be the wine that was my first thought. Maybe it was crappy wine ha!

      • L March 9, 2020 at 2:26 pm Reply

        All wines have sulfites, expect organic (and even those have naturally occurring to some extent.) I drink red 95 % of the time. (Usually from Chile or Argentina…they have low pesticide use. Sadly, California wines, even ORGANIC have tested positive for pesticides—from drift I imagine.) Red wine IS however a bit higher in histamine, which could be an issue for you, although those aren’t the common reactions.

        Glad you are trying HBOT.

        • L March 9, 2020 at 2:28 pm

          except not expect

        • Nicole March 9, 2020 at 7:36 pm

          On the wines and even beer if you don’t get beer and wine from countries that do not use fluorides in the grapes you will get a relapse. I always loved a California Chardonnay for years but now have to stay away from California wines. I have found a French one that I enjoy but is hard to get. If I am at a restaurant I find most only offer California Chardonnays and I sometimes will chance it but always pay for it. Wines from Europe and places like Chile that L is getting her wine from do not use this process with their grapes.
          The night you had the reaction to the beer, Henk, this may have been the cause. I have a flox friend who has found a nice Belgian beer that does not give her any problems. I can also have vodka without a problem so if they do not have a wine I can have in a restaurant I will usually have a martini. I can only tolerate one drink no matter what it is.
          Same with coffee. I do drink organic but still only one cup in the morning.

        • L March 9, 2020 at 11:12 pm

          yes, actually the reason I started getting foreign wines was that many of those countries do not use fluoridated water to grow the grapes. (I had one I LOVED that of course stopped being offered at stores I go to) But I always avoid US wines, and esp California. (Although a couple times when I was somewhere where that was all that was offered, I did drink it and I was fine.)

        • Henk Noordhuizen March 10, 2020 at 2:45 am

          No,Nicole,the problems I had with the beer was not because of “the process” (I don’t know what kind of process you mean).I drank both of these beers (Belgian;different breweries) many times before,without any problem.The only time I had problems was then,when I drank TWO bottles of beer,one from each brewery.I was thirsty,and drank quite fast,as well,and both beers ( 30 cl. bottles) are high in alcohol.Too much alcohol,in a body with cells,all having disfunctional mitochondria;that’s what caused of the relapse I had.

          I also drank quite a few different French and Italian wines,after I was floxed.No problems with the sulfite,except the isual headache,next morning.But I drink only ONE glass,on one evening,and another glass,next evening.I give the other half of the bottle to my neighbors wife,who loves a good wine,now and then.And I never drink the very cheap wines;those are crap,and very unhealthy.I like a little glass of liquor,too,now and then (Amaro,Amaretto,Frangelico etc.) but those are very high in alcohol (30-35%),so,I limit myself to only one very small glass.Liquors are not ment for drinking,but for sipping,and enjoying the wonderfull taste :-))

          I only drink in the weekend,and not every weekend,so,my body gets time to recover from that alcohol “boost”.But the fact that even a small amount of alcohol can bring a relapse,even 3 years after being floxed,shows how much semi-permanent damage those f…. FQ’s,with help of your doctor,who’s always there to “help” you,can do.I can’t think of even one nice thing in my life that isn’t negatively influenced by that rotten poison!

  43. Michael March 8, 2020 at 7:03 pm Reply

    Has anybody tried HBOT therapy. Hyperbaric Oxygen. I’m going to give it at try tomorrow. The person doing it says she has one other floxie from the same city I am in on her books doing the therapy.


    However somebody told me it could be dangerous?

    • L March 8, 2020 at 8:09 pm Reply

      I don’t know who told you it could be dangerous. (Perhaps an allopath?) I think it’s an excellent idea. My integrative doctor begged me to do it. Sadly, I am super claustrophobic. They’d have had to use a mallet on me first. But if I weren’t, I’d have done it in a heartbeat.

    • Barbara Arnold March 8, 2020 at 11:29 pm Reply

      I had it and it definately helped me. Didn’t ‘cure’ but helped with pain and low energy. I had it in a private hospital under the supervision of a MD. I was in a communial tank with around 15 other people. I didn’t like the experience itself, but for me it was worth it.

      • Michael March 9, 2020 at 10:39 pm Reply

        I was under 3 atm for 1.5 hours. Felt pretty good after. Going for another session tomorrow and some acupuncture

        • L March 9, 2020 at 11:15 pm


        • Barbara Arnold March 9, 2020 at 11:26 pm

          Great. Hope you feel even better the more you have.

        • Michael March 9, 2020 at 11:55 pm

          Thanks appreciate it.

      • Madge Hirsch March 13, 2020 at 2:14 pm Reply

        Hi Barbara- how are you?. How are things with the shutdown in Spain? We are in an area of France with only a handful of cases but Macron has told us oldies to stay at home. Our granddaughter who lives in London is self isolating due to symptoms. At least the weather has finally perked up so we can enjoy some time in the garden!

        • Barbara Arnold March 14, 2020 at 12:21 am

          Hi Madge,
          Well I can’t really believe what’s happening here. I feel like I’m in some disaster movie. Last Wednesday we went shopping as we’d heard that in other area’s people were panic buying. We could see what was going to happen so we did a big shop, not panic buying, no stocking up on toilet rolls etc. We had decided to only go out when it was necessary. On Friday we needed bread, so we went to the local Consume at around 3.p.m as my friend had messaged me to say it was going mad the day before. 3.p.m.you don’t usually see anyone, but when we got there it was like Apocalipse Now. Tons of people. We got in and out very quick with our gloves and sanitiser on our hands. Inside the shelves were emptying. Christ I couldn’t believe it. Yesterday all Amenities, cafe’s, Restaurants, Schools were closed down. I never thought it would happen here in a little Spanish town in the Mountains. But here we are in our house to frightened to go out. We have to be careful as Eric has a compromised immune system after chemo and radio, even though he’s doing great now. He has to see a specialist at the end of the month as he has two vertabrae in his neck that’s starting to cause a problem and he may need an operation which I’m dreading.
          Apart from that we are both doing okay. We have a big garden so at least we can get some fresh air, which is more than some people have. The whole of Spain is now on lockdown and is the second worst effected Country in Europe next to Italy.
          I saw on the news Macron’s wife had contracted the virus and that he was in self isolation. I hope your are okay Madge and being very careful. I think the most worrying thing about this is, we don’t know how it’s going to pan out. So we are going to eat, drink, and be merry, for tomorrow WTFK. We will probably binge on movies as well.

        • L March 14, 2020 at 5:14 pm

          Here too sadly. People selfishly hoarding. I went to the water store where I get my distilled water and it was closed. No more “made.” Then I went to the food store with my list and only found one or two things. Was going to make chicken soup which I make with their frozen organic wings. The entire frozen meat section cleared out and the regular one too. Also no carrots. Were even out of the almond milk I got so I paid just as much for 1/2 size in the shelf stable area. People 😦 That’s why I like dogs.

        • Barbara Arnold March 14, 2020 at 12:26 am

          Oh I forgot, while we were in the Supermarket, I saw Spanish kissing each other in a greeting. Wtf, I couldn’t believe it. What’s wrong with these people ?? When this is over I am not starting that habit again. I never liked kissing strangers anyway.

  44. Dee March 11, 2020 at 7:15 am Reply

    It is my understanding that the fluoride in the grapes are mostly from the pesticides that are sprayed on the grape and absorbed through the skin. These pesticides are mainly used in California. I think there is minimal fluoride absorbed through the actual water? I have read or heard somewhere that the grapes in Washington State and Oregon are not sprayed with this particular pesticide as their pests are different then California? Not sure on all of this but that is what I recall??

    • Henk Noordhuizen March 12, 2020 at 3:38 am Reply

      You’re fully right,Dee;in the US,everything eatable or drinkable is sprayed with toxins.

      “Many California Grapevines Are Treated With Cryolite, a Fluoride-Based Pesticide.Melissa learned that wine from California grapes can contain high amounts of fluoride due to the use of the pesticide cryolite on grapevines. So she stopped drinking California wine and switched to wine from other regions, even Washington State and Oregon, where cryolite is not used on crops.

      Cryolite, for those of you who may not have heard of it, is a fluoride-based chemical pesticide. It’s a mixture of aluminum, sodium and fluoride. It’s been used as a pesticide primarily on grape and raisin crops for quite some time.”


      Agreements like CETA and TTIP make it probable that more and more of this american food and drink crap will enter the EU,and my country;then,it’s on the people to refuse buying it.American wine is already quite availible,here but I don’t drink it.And why should I,with a broad choice of french,itallian and german wines avalible? And,since a few years,here in the Netherlands a new wine production is starting up (when Napoleon Bonaparte conquered the south of the Netherlands,out of pure chauvinism he ordered to destroy all vines;there should only be ONE wine;the french wine!).

      But where,in the past,I might drink two,or even three glasses of wine at a party,or in the weekend,at home,thanks to my “doctors” I’ll have to limit it to just one glass,which I normally do.And I have to be very selective,drinking only the better wines,not the crap,and only those of which I am as sure as possible that they don’t contain fluoride.

  45. Andrea March 11, 2020 at 3:21 pm Reply

    Hey guys, I don’t know if it’s correct to put this topic on here, but, what do you guys think about this coronavirus? Like many of you know, I’m Italian, and Italy is one of the most affected countries in the world. We’re already living in quarantene. Many stores are closed, streets are almost deserted, and you can’t leave your home, unless you have a good reason to do so. In the few stores that are left opened, you have to stay a meter (about 5 feet) away from one another Situation’s heavy, expecially for someone in our condition, with a weakened immune system, plus I’ll have to take an antibiotic soon (I didin’t taken it yet). Needless to say, I’m a “little” freaked out, please share your opinion, if you want to.

    • L March 11, 2020 at 5:48 pm Reply

      So sorry, Andrea. Yes, I just now was listening to a doctor talking about the problems in Italy and the spread has increased so much exponentially. And I think it is a totally appropriate thread here, since all (most) of us avoid pharmaceuticals when possible.

      I am in California, and I believe we have the third most in the US after Washington State and New York. In addition to this awful respiratory/congestion issue I have dealt with for over two years now, I also have a history of asthma…so I am pretty freaked out myself. I just got back from a high dose vitamin C Iv which gives me a very limited window where I am not struggling to breathe. (I had read a doctor in china is treating some patients with that BUT he also adds a steroid, which I could never do.) However, my ND suggested that all these people could be treated with ozone. Of course governments would never go for it, but if you were able to somehow get that, I would.

    • Nicole March 11, 2020 at 5:55 pm Reply

      Hi Andrea, I know it is a very serious situation in Italy but if you are young I think your out look is good even if you get the virus.
      I am in BC, Canada and we are starting to get community spread here. I am 69, have had heart problems and am just getting over lung problems from the flu so I know it could be a bad situation if I were to get it. I am only going to the store when needed and have canceled things like hair appointments. I do have to walk my dog but wash my hands well when I return. They have ask people of my age and health problems to now stay away from even restaurants so I will do so.
      But I can give you a bit more information than the normal person. My daughter is a scientist who has worked in viruses for 20 years and especially animal crossovers. She has told me her boss has been more upset about this virus than she has ever seen him but I do believe it’s from the fast and furious spread. She has been into viruses in the lab as I said for years and they just use soap. She showers out with dish soap believe it or not before leaving the lab. She said these sanitizers you can’t even get here anymore do not remove what just soap does. Okay for your purse when you are out and have nothing else. And antibacterial soaps are just bad for you.
      As I have told you before I have taken Amoxicillin many times since my floxing with no problem and I am a worst case floxie. Torn ligaments, liver and heart damage, muscle problems, eyesight problems, teeth are a mess and body burning neuropathy. I am sure there is a lot I am forgetting as forget a lot too. Lol
      Any virus I have had does effect my flox symptoms a bit but I don’t get a virus worse than before but they seem to last longer. I can’t relate to what the Coronavirus will do but like I said it seems age is on your side.
      Just stay calm and treat your infection. Try to read or watch something light and silly on TV. I have found I can not watch or read anything heavy since I was floxed. It causes CNS issues. I just passed four years.
      I don’t know if this helped in any way but if you have a question I can answer, feel free to ask.

      • L March 11, 2020 at 10:52 pm Reply

        Wow NIcole…we are almost floxing twins. I had all that except the teeth issue. I have a single spaced, 8 1/2 by 11 paper listing my side effects. Also worst case. prayed for death every day for the first year. Couldn’t breathe, could barely move or see and so much more. Curious if you were on steroids at the time?

    • Henk Noordhuizen March 12, 2020 at 3:56 am Reply

      Panicking won’t help,Andrea.It’s important to limit your contact with other people as much as possible,and the safe distance is not 1,but 2 meters.And stay away from couching people;might be an “innocent” heavy smoker’s cough,but just to be sure.Don’t shake hands with other people.Our Prime minister Rutte explained this on television,and than,while leaving the mic to another person,turned around and shaked the hand of the RIVM director,making himself quite rideculous ;-))

      Here,in NL,the number of corona infected people is growing fast;most of them visited Lombardia (north Italy,for the other Floxies :-)) This amazes and disgusts me;why would people visit the most infected part of the EU,knowing of the risks?Bringing this epidemic home as a kind of souvenir? The main reason this epidemic spreads like wildfire is the zombie-ness of the people!

      • Barbara Arnold March 12, 2020 at 4:18 am Reply

        I live in a small Spanish Town in the Mountains and the local Town Hall has cancelled all events including the swimming baths that I was going to. It’s started to hit Spain hard now, so we need to see whats going to happen in the next fortnight. We have just done a big food shop, but not panic buying. We are trying to stay home as much as possible, which in my opinion considering our compromised immune systems is sensible. When we were out we sanitised our hands and washed them well when we got home. I noticed a lot of people not bothering to take care. Pushing trolly’s without glove’s etc. These sort of people are the kind that spread it. You have to stay calm but become aware of everything you touch. I discard my gloves after shopping, then spray with hand sanitiser. I also put a little sanitiser on my face and wash my hands when I get home.
        By the way, Spanish wine is fabulous.
        Stay safe everyone.

        • Henk Noordhuizen March 12, 2020 at 10:14 am

          Hi Barbara,there’s not a broad choice of spanish wines here,in NL,and I’m not very acquainted with those.Rioja is probably the only one I drank,a few times (and decennia ago),and I wasn’t very impressed with that one.Might consider to give spanish wines another try,somewhere in the future :-))

          The Corona virus epidemic is very creepy,the creepiest of all being that this virus might have been created by some idiots,in a (chinese) lab,creating a biological weapon. Making this epidemic a successfull trial???

      • Barbara Arnold March 12, 2020 at 10:45 am Reply

        I can recommend Murviedro that’s a Petit Verdot year 2015 is amazing or even 2018. There are so many like a good Shiraz, don’t be put off by one Rioja. A good Malbec won’t dissapoint.

        • L March 12, 2020 at 12:38 pm

          Malbec and Shiraz…..now you’re talking! 🙂

    • A.Coleman March 12, 2020 at 7:37 am Reply


      I feel for you and thought already about how many of the active members of FloxieHope live in Europe. Given my background in biological Anthropology the current situation in the world with Coronavirus (COVID-19) does not surprise me unfortunately. Back in early January when it was basically isolated to China I predicted a pandemic and global crisis and everyone I know called me crazy.

      While Henk’s anecdote about the Dutch PM is amusing I have more confidence in your nationalized health care systems and leadership than I do to the mosaic of health treatment in the US and let’s not even discuss US “leadership”.

      Oh, and to piggy back on Nicole’s comment – hand sanitizer really doesn’t work. It basically kills weak bacteria leaving the strong to replicate. Washing your hands with HOT WATER is most effective. It is the friction and the HOT WATER that kills the bacteria; soap is mostly designed to break up the dirt.

      But on the subject of virus loads and being a floxie; I really don’t think that we have a lot more to worry about than any other member of society. We all have floxie symptoms; but personally I don’t get sick any more than I did before getting floxed (and I am in year 5 post-flox) – in fact I think I get sick a bit less. More importantly in my personal case, when I get sick some of my floxie symptoms seem to get a bit better. It is like when my body rallies to fight off the infection it also improves some of my floxie symptoms.

      I am being very cautious though. We had travel plans inside the US in early April. I haven’t canceled those yet; but will likely do so soon. I haven’t stocked up on non-perishables yet; but plan to do so this weekend. Luckily I work for a company where working from home is easy to do and I anticipate that in the next few weeks the whole company will be instructed to start working from home.

      I’m trying to stay to a normal routine for now – even going to a concert tonight. This is the first planned event on a weeknight I have attempted since being floxed (yes, starting to do things normal humans do) and as part of my recovery it is important to go. I am a bit concerned and sure I will take some antibacterial wipes; but I’m going.

      Stay safe everyone – after all Floxies know how to keep themselves entertained while not doing much socially – LOL.

      • Henk Noordhuizen March 12, 2020 at 10:27 am Reply

        This is the same Prime Minister that,as I told you before,admitted that he is a regular lier.Says,he lies frequently,but he does lie ” in the interest of all dutch people”. That,being another lie,of course.But here,in NL,there are more than enough zombies who believe every lie,as long as those are right-winged,because for a too long time they ( the rightwinged) fear-mongered us into believing that “Lefties” are evil,and would bring this country into a downfall.Sensible arguments don’t work,here.

        More or less the same situation in the USA;where are Bernie Sanders,and Ron Paul? I think that in particular Ron Paul is the best that America could hope for.Bernie Sanders being the second best choice.

        • L March 12, 2020 at 12:24 pm

          Ron Paul has voted on the wrong side of so many things here. Definitely not for the “little person.” Sanders would be great but sadly the large corporate powers that be are doing everything in their power to prevent him from moving forward. Same thing happened last go round. So sad. He truly cares about all people and about getting money out of politics. But he is up against big pharma, big ag, big oil, and their corporate shills.

      • Barbara Arnold March 12, 2020 at 10:35 am Reply

        Sorry, its not a “Bacteria” it’s a Virus. Your anti bacteria wipes are a waste of time. The Hand sanatiser’s are over 70 % alcohol. It will kill the virus but you also have to Wash your hands well.

        • Henk Noordhuizen March 12, 2020 at 10:47 am

          Barbara,the importance of washing your hands on a (very!) regular base is not in killing the virus with the soap or sanitiser,but in removing them from your hands,face etc.

        • Barbara Arnold March 12, 2020 at 10:54 am

          Henk, your right. Forgot your quite pedantic lol. But I think you know what I mean. However nothing lives in Pure Alcohol. Remember its used as a preservative.

        • Henk Noordhuizen March 12, 2020 at 11:55 am

          Alcohol is,indeed,deadly for (most?) pathogens,but it ruins your skin,while ordinary soap is as effective.And,while most soaps will dry your skin,some,like my home-made cocos oil soap,are quite gentle for the skin.The sanitisers,with their alcohol content are quite handy stuff,when you’re “on the road”.

      • L March 12, 2020 at 12:10 pm Reply

        Ah yes, “American leadership.” It is appalling but sadly not unexpected. We still do not even have enough test kits. We have tested a fraction of those of other countries.

        I assume by now you may have heard that the US (FINALLY doing something proactive) is cancelling all flights from Europe for 30 days. We are also (finally) starting to see events canceled. Not just large ones, but smaller local ones as well.

        Hand sanitizer is better than nothing, especially when you are “on the go” and that’s all you have. And unfortunately many (most?) of our stores only have cold water in the bathrooms.

  46. Nicole March 11, 2020 at 6:04 pm Reply

    L, do you take NAC for your lungs? I went into my NP yesterday for a vitamin IV as well and she upped my daily dose of 600mg a day to 1800mg. It does seem to help.

    • L March 11, 2020 at 11:03 pm Reply

      VATS of it. A few years ago, my integrative doctor told me if I had an asthma attack I could take up to 3,000 mg at a time. What I have now isn’t asthma, but I take a lot of the NAC to help thin the gunk. Expectorants do absolutely nothing anymore. I have another 8 1/2 by11 page listing everything I have taken or done to try to fix this mystery. This is so unlike anything I have experienced. Ruled out everything I can think of (or the doctors can think of.) I have been getting high dose C IVs because they seem to offer a bit a temporary relief. (A LOT of money for a little break.)It’s almost like my body has become allergic to itself. I did allergy treatments for a 1 year and a half (even though my tests shows very little as far as allergens, likely because I had allergy shots about 15 years ago for five years. They seem to have lasted.) I had blood tests that came back negative for food allergies. I paid $350 for a single injection of a peptide discovered in England that was supposed to indicate if I was having allergic responses. Nothing. So after ruling out silent reflux, sinus problems (TWO procedures!) and everything else I could think of, I thought “well, maybe it is autonomic nerve damage from the Cipro” (at almost 4 years out), but my ND thinks I would have other issues. But the weird thing is, it seems so much like a really overblown allergic reaction, effecting my nose, my throat and my chest. Even my eyes have like a film over them. Just a mystery. I sleep so little because I can’t breathe, that I look like Quasimoto. Very attractive look.

  47. Andrea March 12, 2020 at 10:35 am Reply

    Thanks everyone for your answers…
    I’m not freaking out really, it’s just so unreal to see your town in a situation like that. The only shops open are supermarkets, there’s a line outside and they give you a number before even entering inside and pharmacies. You can’t even go for a walk without a real reason (wich to me is totally wrong). I understand you have to avoid crowded places, but going to do a walk on the beach or in the park shouldn’t be an issue, actually it can be beneficial, expecially if you’re sick…Oh well, like I said, it’s unreal. The place is so empty and silent. Anyway, I’m not so afraid. Actually I don’t give a f. I already suffered so much, If I have to go, I’m ready, the only fear I have is to be treated by those ignorants at the hospital, that who knows what would they treat you with…

    • Henk Noordhuizen March 12, 2020 at 10:43 am Reply

      “I’m a “little” freaked out”

      “I’m not freaking out really,”

      ???????? ;-))

      • Andrea March 12, 2020 at 10:47 am Reply

        What I meant is that, of course the situation is stressful, it caught everyone by surprise, but I’m not afraid, like I wrote, if I have to go, I’m ready, my life is already a mess after the FQ, so who cares, but the only fear I have is to end up in an hospital…

        • Henk Noordhuizen March 12, 2020 at 10:49 am

          So am I,Andrea.

        • Barbara Arnold March 12, 2020 at 11:02 am

          Andrea, I have a feeling you are going to outlive us all. Just do everything you can to not get it. I also think when all this is over, you will get better time. You have every chance to do that. Let your fear go and just follow the guideline’s for hygiene. ….

    • L March 12, 2020 at 12:29 pm Reply

      yes, it must be awful not to be able to just go for a walk. And I so agree with your last sentence. I am far more concerned with dealing with the conventional medical “care,” which I avoid like the plague now. Only my naturopath or integrative MD for me now. But I think, how would I get to them? I feel like I would just be shipped off to some hospital (which I also avoid like the plague. I won’t even go visit someone in the hospital. It’s a great place to get sick!)

      • Andrea March 12, 2020 at 12:43 pm Reply

        Tell me about it…just 1 day prior to this mess, I was in a room with at least 30 people, inside the hospital, waiting to get my blood test…

        • L March 12, 2020 at 1:09 pm

          yikes. Oh, here’s another thing that makes me crazy. In our new electronic world you are required to touch so many things. Well our local blood draw lab, where a lot of people are going to get draws because they are sick, requires an entire online check in where it is all done by touch screen! Eke! They have hand sanitizer next to the screen, but we know that it is not able to kill everything like hand washing.

    • Madge Hirsch March 14, 2020 at 4:49 pm Reply

      Hi Andrea- France too has been shut down from midnight tonight. All but food shops , pharmacies post offices -the essential- closed till further notice. We are told to stay at home unless going out for food shopping etc. Old people not even supposed to do that but we have to eat! Stay safe.

  48. Andrea March 12, 2020 at 10:37 am Reply

    Here’s an interview with some helpful infos about the coronavirus

  49. Michael March 12, 2020 at 11:25 am Reply

    Hi guys

    I just had a question for anybody who did ivs of so which do you recommend for muscle and nerve pains?

    These are my options:
    – glutathione
    – Vitamin C
    – ALA

    Also did anybody try ozone iv?

    • Don M March 12, 2020 at 12:13 pm Reply

      Michael……. Ozone. Have you looked into drinking ozonated water? Probably not as effective as and IV but ozone generators are not all that expensive and making a glass of ozonate water is very simple. Takes less than 5 minutes. Bob Beck claimed that with a meter on the finger a couple glasses a day and his blood tested at 100% oxygen level. A home generator costs less than one IV.

      • Henk Noordhuizen March 12, 2020 at 1:51 pm Reply

        Don,I don’t remember Beckhaving claimed that he had 100% oxygen saturated blood after he drank a few glasses of ozonated water,but my “start the day” glass of ozonated water does give a noticable energy boost.Where did you find that claim? I have a good quality oxigen meter,and I’m sure gonna try that.It didn’t come to my mind to do such an experiment :-))

        One thing about the MP,I forgot to mention:although all sources I read and heard that you can pulse your whole body,except when you have a pacemaker,or metal implants.But,just for safety reasons,I think that you shouldn’t pulse the area,directly over your heart,I did that,numerous times,without problems but,in the period where I had several heart arrithmea’s,every day,I had one,shortly after I pulsed my whole upper body.The chance that it was caused by the MP is very small (I probably had that one,just as all the other ones,because of the same reason;the enormous magnesium defficiency I had,back then,thanls to over 15 years of Losec/Omeprazole.

        Just had a terrible 1 1/2 week,with hardly any sleep,because of a terrible pain,on several places in my body.Still don’t know what it caused,but after several days I descided to ise the MP on it,and things got better within 2-3 days.Then I descided to go for the whole protocol ,except the CS;I use it only topical,and oral when there’s a serious reason,in “medical” amounts.,Aftter brushing my teeth,before sleeping,I swiss my mouth with a bit of CS,then spit out most of it and swallow just a little bit.

        So,at the moment I use my Ozonator,Silver Pulser and Magnetic Pulser on a daily base (the protocol),and my Bio (Brain-) Tuner almost every day,as well.Almost a day job :-)) Since a few days the pain is 99,5% gone,I sleep pretty well (for a Floxie who had sleeping problems for most of his life),and my energy level is slowly rising a bit.Had lung problems,as well,so,I added the use of a nebulator,inhaling about 5 ml of CS,every evening before,or during the protocol (I think,inhaling the CS and then pulsing the lung area works best). Here,too,the Beck devices worked;

        I don’t know where this corona epidemic is going,but having these devices,and years of positive experiences,does help to not panic like others do (there seem to be two possible reactions: panicing or ignoring,going on with the zombie way of living). I do know that a trial with 100 malaria patients (NOT done by Beck,but by an african MD) had an almost 100% success rate (somewhere in the upper 90’s),and Beck’s HIV trials were very successfull as well,but that doesn’t garantee success with every existing virus untill more experiments are done.Have a lot of vit.C as well (also used in baking my bread), and I use my Narrowband UV-B lamp,one or two times a week.And my new IR-lamp,when needed.Thinking of how my “electric toys” keep me from needing pills and powders makes me feel quite good,actually :-)) I’m convinced that “electro-medicine” will play an important role in health care,in the future.

        • Don M March 12, 2020 at 2:40 pm

          Henk…. During the lecture that I watched he commented that after he drank ozonated water the meter that he used on his finger would read 100% A very quick comment and easy to not catch. The meter that I have will usually read 97% and sometimes 98%. I guess it is called “Finger Pulse Oximeter” since it registers your pulse as well as the oxygen content of your blood.

          About pulsing…… My biggest problem with “nauseating” discomfort is around the last cervical vertebrae and the first lumbar one. A very hard area to treat because it can’t be reached easily. The pinch causes very nauseating muscle spasms. I have been able to mitigate the spasms with cold packs. When I tried the pulser set on the 55K setting it penetrated through my back and I could feel it in my heart. I think that the 24K setting may be better suited for that. The claim is that the lower settings (faster pulsing) do not penetrate as deep. We’ll see.

          “Thinking of how my “electric toys” keep me from needing pills and powders makes me feel quite good,actually :-))” “I’m convinced that “electro-medicine” will play an important role in health care,in the future”. Apparently as long as the public puts their (blind???) faith in the MD doctor and big pharma controls them only the ones who break away and pursue the alternative (more natural) health methods will benefit.

          Interesting how someone always benefits big time. The toilet paper industry seems to be on fire here in the US.

        • Henk Noordhuizen March 12, 2020 at 2:57 pm

          It’s a long time ago that I’ve last seen the whole Bob Beck lectures.Back than,I didn’t have the Oxy-meter,but since I have one,now,I’m gonna experiment with the ozonated water and the meter.

          “the last cervical vertebrae and the first lumbar one” Right,and uhhhh…..that is……? My first guess is,that it’s somewere on your backside (“it can’t be reached easily”). Sometimes,the uncomfortable way you have to bend yourself,to reach those kind of places is an excellent way to cause new problems ;-)) When treating my back I always just try to clamp the magnet handle between the place I want to pulse and the seat-back,or the couch.

    • L March 12, 2020 at 12:35 pm Reply

      Well one that is recommended is not on that list….phosphatidylcholine. Supposed to be good for both nerves and mitochondria. I was on several different IVs at the same time (I would switch up every few days) so it’s really hard to know which one helped any specific issue. I was also on high dose vitamin C and H2O2 (for a very specific reason but it meant I couldn’t do ozone, which would have been the normal choice). I also got a push of glutathione each time, and also did the occassional Myers. Early on I had horrific pain mid back, that felt like it was buried deep in the bone (scapula area) and it was hideous. However after I started IV therapy, it was the first of my many side effects to go away.

      I didn’t have the ALA IV but have used it a lot as a supplement, I know it is supposed to be good for nerve issues, along with the Bs.

      • Michael March 12, 2020 at 1:46 pm Reply

        Guys cold is meant to stimulate mitochondria and generate brown fat. Brown fat is mitochondria containing fat that is metabolically active. Really glad you mentioned it … gonna try that now. Cold showers – cold exposure etc

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