Floxie Hope

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This site is to give HOPE to those who are suffering from Fluoroquinolone Toxicity Syndrome as a result of being poisoned by fluoroquinolone antibiotics – Cipro, Levaquin, Avelox, Floxin, etc.  It contains stories of healing.

Cipro, Levaquin, Avelox and all other fluoroquinolones are dangerous drugs that can have devastating effects that cumulatively I’ll refer to as Fluoroquinolone Toxicity Syndrome or Floxing.  Fluoroquinolone Toxicity Syndrome/Floxing includes damage to connective tissue (tendons, ligaments, cartilage, fascia, etc.) throughout the body, damage to the nervous systems (central, peripheral and autonomic), and more. The damage done by fluoroquinolone antibiotics can destroy a person’s quality of life or even kill them. Certainly, there is a time and a place for drugs with dangerous side effects. If you find yourself in a septic shock induced coma, fluoroquinolones may save your life. Unfortunately, these drugs are not being reserved for life or death situations. People are being prescribed them for urinary tract infections, suspected prostate infections, upper respiratory infections, as a prophylactic for travelers’ diarrhea, ear infections, pink eye, etc. Thousands of people have suffered needlessly from the devastating effects of fluoroquinolone antibiotics, when another, safer antibiotic could have, and should have, been used.

The damage done by fluoroquinolones is largely unacknowledged by the medical establishment and an accurate diagnosis, compensation and relief are difficult to come by. There is no known cure for Fluoroquinolone Toxicity Syndrome/Floxing.  However, many people continue to LIVE after being poisoned by fluroquinolones.  They find healing, recovery, perseverance, compassion and hope.  These are their stories.

This site is meant to give hope for healing to those who are adversely effected by fluoroquinolones.  It is no way meant to disregard the pain of those who are chronically suffering from the horrifying effects of Cipro, Levaquin, Avelox or the other fluoroquinolones.  There are people who don’t recover.  Their stories are real and they matter.  There are also people who are able to recover and I share their stories with the hope that they inspire others, or at least give hope that recovery is possible.

Here is a New York Times article about the dangers of fluoroquinolone antibiotics – http://well.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/09/10/popular-antibiotics-may-carry-serious-side-effects/?_r=0 – more news stories, research papers and other resources can be found on the “Links and Resources” page.

Here is a Facebook group that is a great resource for those going through Fluoroquinolone Toxicity – https://www.facebook.com/groups/floxies/

Featured post – I’m floxed. Now what?

The Fluoroquinolone Toxicity Solution Ebook has helped many Floxies to recover, including DanielCindy and Ruth.  As a bonus, you will also receive The Floxie Food Guide – a book of diet guidelines to help you through fluoroquinolone toxicity:

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  1. cipropolfloxed November 25, 2016 at 10:36 am Reply

    Thanks veteran floxie. My condition seems be worst thay you had.

    • veteran floxie November 29, 2016 at 7:57 pm Reply

      I can understand where you well and i wish i had a magic cure to heal everyone, but the only thing i can attest to is time and prayer. I never thought i would have a reaction to the herpes infection like i did, but it only goes to show that our bodies will not be the same again. Which means that as we heal in time, we must be mindful of our condition.

      I am currently studfying all i can on homeopathy and it shows great promise because the healing is on the whole person, which means that by finding the right remedy for ourselves it will heal us on all levels, mental, emotional and physical.

      I am going to post a link so anyone can read and understand how the healing in homeopathy takes place, it will be different for everyone because the remedy is a personal one, it may take time for it to take effect, because the healing starts at the deepest level first and then begins healing the outer layers, but rest assured that many people have found healing in homeopathy for many conditions much worse than ours.

      It is completely safe because it is not toxic, the only requirement is to find a kind and knowledgeble homeopath that will listen to you and study your personal mental, emotional and physical condition.

      If you decide to try it out like i did, you can also to do it. Read and find a remedy that you feel can resolve your most pressing issue, but if it does not work leave it. The best way to go is with a good homeopath, ND´s prescribe remedies but it is best to go with a homeopath that does it wiht passion, because in order for the remedy to work it has to take into account many details and traumas that he/she must study to find the right remedy, and you will be talking to him on a very consistent basis to see how you are doing.

      like i mentioned it heals many things not just the physical one, i am currently taking it with water in sips throughout the day. It is an advanced technique, my sleep is better than it was and personally i consider it a miracle because of the critical condition i was in, it was really bad!

      On different note i am reading here that some people are using glutathione iv´s, I have read it is not recommended since it moves mercury around and guess where the mercury goes?

      to the brain where it will do harm,

      i understand that we are desperate to find healing and i feel you all because we are all in the same boat,

      but i only wish that you may be careful and give time its place in the healing process, it is my suggestion and with it to consider looking into homeopathy, of all the healing remedies it is the safest and most complete because it heals the whole person. Homeopathy restores the body´s vital force which is the real healer, once that begins to be restored real healing begins to take place. Vitamins, suppments and other things can´t do that very well, i am not saying they are not useful, because they are since i have used them all my life, i still use magnesium at night before i go to bed, but the homeopathic remedy is on a deeper level. needless to say i have learned that it is also about time because it also is working on my emotional traumas that have occured due to quins and their effect on my personal life.

      When i go to bed i never know if the food i ate that day will affect my sleep, but i try to be as cautious as possible and i do a lot of breathing exercises, meditation and prayer before i go to bed.

      here is the link to the homeopathy book,

      http://www.drdooley.net/Book.pdf

      thank you also on the info for olive leaf extract,

      I pray that you all may find healing and peace.

    • veteran floxie November 30, 2016 at 8:48 am Reply

      thank you cindy, i have taken 5htp before, it gave me nightmares.

      • cindy Jones November 30, 2016 at 1:50 pm Reply

        What is 5htp?

        • veteran floxie December 1, 2016 at 8:19 pm

          It´s a supplement in the link you posted-

          It’s called RediCalm, and here’s how it works.

          5 natural ingredients in the RediCalm formula work together to aid your body’s natural defense against anxiety.

          5-HTP,

          L-Theanine, Ashwagandha, Passion Flower, and Lemon Balm have been clinically proven to boost GABA and serotonin levels in the human body. The result? You’re more relaxed. Worries don’t seem as big. Anxiety disappears. And over time, RediCalm helps to calm your body’s natural response to anxiety so you can break free from the cycle of negative behavior and feel like yourself again.

  2. cindy Jones November 26, 2016 at 2:41 am Reply

    http://www.benzosupport.org/professor_ashton.htm

    I stumbld across this about benzodiazepines.

  3. Kurt November 26, 2016 at 8:19 am Reply

    How long do these muscle twitches usually last for? Mine are mainly in the calf muscles down to the ankle and have been going non-stop for over 3 months.

    FYI: These twitches didn’t start until well over a year after I was off the antibiotic.

    • veteran floxie November 30, 2016 at 8:53 am Reply

      I have had them off and on, i believe they caused by the brain synapses that have been damaged. The synapses can not stop firing and that´s why we feel those twitches.

      certain foods aggravet them, any food high in glutamate and aspartate.

      That is why i follow the GARD diet, they can heal but it takes time, the brain is a very delicate organ.

      I noticed from my myoclonus that staying hydrated is very important, it´s part of the oxygen balance in the brain, any thing that promotes oxygen to the brain is beneficial, foods, meditation, breathing exercises, etc.

      • cindy Jones December 2, 2016 at 7:51 am Reply

        Veteran Floxie Thanks for the info on RediCalm.

    • cindy Jones November 30, 2016 at 9:11 am Reply

      Kurt here is a link on fasiculations and spasms that you may consider reading prior to consulting with a neurologist. I started with fasiculations several years ago and it was due to a drug for epilepsy called clobazam.xx

      https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=fasiculations+and+spasms&ie=&oe=

    • cindy Jones November 30, 2016 at 2:36 pm Reply

      Kurt I just read that sertraline/Zoloft has been blamed for causing restless legs syndrome.https://www.drugs.com/zoloft.html

    • cindy Jones November 30, 2016 at 2:37 pm Reply

      It could be due to fluoride .

    • cindy Jones December 1, 2016 at 12:51 pm Reply

      Kurt someone just rang me and said that after taking angstrom the muscular spasms eased off after three months. I cannot vouch for this.

    • veteran floxie December 1, 2016 at 8:23 pm Reply

      There is no time limit on these things, it´s different for everyone. I get them all the time from time to time, they usually go away. I get them as i begin to calm down, but with me they took a turn for the worst and became myoclonics. They are due to damaged synapses and neurotransmitter inbalance.

      The quins due some major damage in the brain, the fluoride in the quins allow the quins to breach the blood brain barrier.

      • cindy Jones December 2, 2016 at 7:49 am Reply

        Carolyn Dean says that magnesium chelates the quins.

  4. cindy Jones November 26, 2016 at 9:10 am Reply

    Kurt
    Sorry I do not know. However are you tking or have you taken any other medications at all?
    http://patient.info/doctor/autonomic-neuropathy

    • Kurt December 1, 2016 at 11:05 am Reply

      Thanks for the comments! I’ve seen on this site that it can sometimes take many, many months for the twitching to calm down, so I guess I will just ride it out and hope for the best.

      Mine are mainly just in the lower legs, which seems like a common spot.

  5. Stephanie November 26, 2016 at 2:39 pm Reply

    I’m very very concerned about Danie’l. She keeps saying she just wants to die and she can’t fight the anxiety which we all know is awful to get to the NDs and the mindfulness/mental health people who all work at the same clinics I told her to go to. I tried to explain that even though it doesn’t feel like it now that healing will come to stay positive. I purposely have not shared my story with her since I keep getting worse because I think it will make her give up. I just told her to get better she needs to go to the NDs and people I gave her but she just won’t leave the house. I have no idea why to do. I’m too sick to make the drive to where she lives. I just am scared she’s going to kill herself. She is talking about saying her goodbyes. What can we do to help her. I don’t want to see another suicide from these evil drugs. She’s young so I get perspective is very hard when you are young.

    • Madge hirsch November 26, 2016 at 5:40 pm Reply

      Maybe if she could get in direct contact with some other person in her age group who has been badly floxed but recovered. I listened the other day to part of a podcast Lisa did with a young man called Richard who seemed quite badly hit but recovered. Young people seem to trust their contemporaries more.

    • cindy Jones November 28, 2016 at 12:45 pm Reply

      Richards recovery story. Danie’l may find inspiration in reading his recovery story.

      (http://www.progressivemedicalcenter.com/) in Atlanta and was advised by several other people who had been floxed to go there.

    • Lisa November 30, 2016 at 9:41 am Reply

      I’m worried about her too. I sent her a private message, but I don’t think that I was able to help her.😦 I hope that she knows that support is available, and that she is loved. Thank you for your kindness, Stephanie!

      • Stephanie November 30, 2016 at 9:56 am Reply

        I just love this site so much!!!! I have been messed up by so many western drs. and just dealing with only being 36 and having so much damage. This site has helped me fight. It has helped me see that there is a way to live. I am so limited in what I can do but I just don’t want to see one more life taken by these evil pills. I know she must do it on her own and fidn her way through the pain the anger and the sorrow. It truly is a greiving process. The important part is to come back out and live. The best thing we all can do is live and tell our stories. My dream is to one day be a recovery story. I want to be able to send that to you so much and I want her to be able to do the same.

        • Lisa November 30, 2016 at 10:08 am

          Love and hugs to you, Stephanie! Keep telling your story, keep supporting others and getting the support that you need, and keep connecting with others in our community. Connections really do help. You are in my thoughts and prayers, Stephanie. You have a long road ahead of you, I know that you do, but I’m so glad that you have found people who love and support you through this journey. xoxoxo

      • cindy Jones November 30, 2016 at 5:15 pm Reply

        https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3189412/

        To everyone. Here is a link to very, very complex info on how fluoroquinolones amongst other nasty drugs damage the dna and jam the gyrase process in our bodies causing multiple signs and symptoms of fluroquinolone toxicity that we all know to well to our deep sorrow.

        The article seems to be saying that other drugs cause this jamming process as well.

        Personally I blame the laziness of the medical profession for our plight. The pattern appears to be that drs are prescribing Cipro etc without even establishing that the patient has an infection. I am convinced that this is sheer laziness on their part as they cannot be bothered to send body fluids off for microbiology, that is culture and sensitivity.
        Nalidixic acid is mentioned as the precursor to Cipro and other fluoroquinolone. There is also a reference to coumarin.

        Perhaps someone who is scientifically knowledgeable could decipher this article.

    • cindy Jones November 30, 2016 at 2:09 pm Reply

      Danie’l

      http://www.slweb.org/ftrcfluoroquinolone.html

      According to the above link the body will detox itself provided you keep away from fluoride.
      Stuff the glutathione appears to be the message.
      xxx

    • veteran floxie December 1, 2016 at 8:26 pm Reply

      Mint tea and lots of deep breathing exercises helped me during my anxiety challenge.

  6. Kurt November 26, 2016 at 6:23 pm Reply

    Hi Cindy,
    Nope…haven’t taken any medication since the Cipro & Levaquin in spring of 2015. Just a super delayed reaction, I guess. I am taking some supplements now, but not sure if they are helping. These muscle twitches in my legs and feet are driving me crazy though….

    • No cipro November 26, 2016 at 7:16 pm Reply

      Does anyone have any encouraging moments or stories? That would be very helpful to all.

      • SM November 26, 2016 at 8:32 pm Reply

        No Cipro- A suggestion. The FB group has some great and positive stories, but it also has a lot more that can be a little overwhelming. If you have a loved one who can be on the FB group and message you positive stories, it can be very helpful. I have saved many positive comments and stories that my wife has sent me.

      • Courtney cole November 27, 2016 at 8:34 pm Reply

        I am hopeful I can make a recovery, but that it takes time. I was diagnosed 16 years ago with chronic fatigue-given the bleakness of that when I went to research it–I think positive outcomes are still possibly if you keep looking and trying things. I was startled with my floxing situation, mortified really. But I battled through once. Not sure if that C.F. diagnosis was right, but found a great protocol that helped. That means, to me, I can do it again-your system has recuperative powers. There are break through moments in healing. But it can take months or a year for the 1st one, meanwhile you are doing all of this “work” and wondering when. Try to reward yourself whenever possible. Be selfish. Conserve energy where you can to give to yourself, down to the cellular level. I started to take great effort and therefore reward in eating the best I could afford and prepare. It seemed kind of extraneous when I first started, then it grew into a kind of self mastery. And we all need mastery of even just one thing! You can feel like you are overwhelmed, with all the facets. I am making progress now, and naturally, I started with food. There are very multi-pronged approaches & if you can do it all, great. But I’m not the best multi-tasker, have to be more linear! And be ok with that. It’s not slowing me down, it’s playing to the strengths.

        • No cipro November 28, 2016 at 4:01 am

          Courtney, Were you floxed more than 1 time?

      • veteran floxie December 1, 2016 at 8:29 pm Reply

        Homeopathy is helping me, look into it. I was in real bad shape. i am not completely out of the deep end, but i feel better.

    • cindy Jones November 30, 2016 at 7:29 am Reply

      Hi Kurt
      Have you had your vitamin D level checked?
      Parathyroid problems can cause muscle twitches as can a low calcium and potassium.

      Magnesium , orally, local application as in sprays, oil, baths may help with the muscle twitching as it is a muscle relaxant.

      Also taking vitamin C and other anti oxidants can help.

      Have you had your creatinine level checked? This is a blood test to test the state of your muscles.

    • cindy Jones November 30, 2016 at 7:31 am Reply

      Hi Kurt here is a link to creatinine kinase.
      https://www.healthgrades.com/symptoms/elevated-creatine-kinase

      • Stephanie November 30, 2016 at 8:42 am Reply

        Hi Kurt,

        I suggest you get to a naturopath and have the spasm looked at. My spasms started out mild and in the past two years have consistently increased. Look for a naturopath or homeopath who focuses on neurological issues as they will be the best source to help you with your issue. All issues from levquin and cipro can and pop up at different times after taking it but I would find someone and make an appointment as soon as possible.

        • cindy Jones November 30, 2016 at 9:04 am

          Do they do nerve conduction tests and blood tests?
          Spasms need investigating by a neurologist first. There are several causes and going to a naturopath first is just delaying reaching or excluding a diagnosis.

        • Stephanie November 30, 2016 at 9:31 am

          Nerve conduction tests have been stated as doing more harm than good. By myself and multiple people on this site. Kurt please look trough the site to see the experiences of several people including myself from nerve conduction tests. It’s made me bed ridden for a good week. I was in screaming pain. A neurological naturopath is just as good as a western neurologist and in my experience and in the testimony of others who have been on this site naturopath neurologists are amazing individuals who truly care and will go the extra mile for you Kurt. They have a better understanding for NATURAL methods to heal the body and not pump you up with more pills. Western medicine is relies on pills. The same method that did the harm in the first place. The very idea of more pills is stupid but that is all they know. If you are able to, please Kurt get yourself to a naturopath who focuses on neurological issues.

        • Bob November 30, 2016 at 9:36 am

          Right on. I used to love the tens machine after a chiropractic adjustment. After cipro it put me in bed for a week. What good is the diagnosis if the only treatment is dangerous drugs you can’t take.

        • Stephanie November 30, 2016 at 9:46 am

          Thank you Bob!!! I am so sorry you had to go through that. So true. All western medicine is based on pills to cure. They absolutely do not have a background in anything but pills. I can tell you when I got the magnesum IVs because my western neurologist wanted to see if the results would be the same as me getting them from my naturopath where I told him I got them and it helped all of the nurses were in shock and acted like they had no clue what magnesum could do. They all looked at me as I got the IV like it was a side show at a carnival. it’s the only thing that stops my pain for a few hours. They said WOW. Now my western neurologist because of me sends patients to my naturopath because PILLS AREN’T HELPING THEM.

        • Barbara Arnold December 1, 2016 at 12:26 am

          Cindy,
          Up until I was given a nerve conduction test which was about16 months in I felt I was recovering well.
          The nerve test changed everthing for the worse. Straight after I had it I had the worse neuropathic pain ever, to the point I woke up every day crying. The burning was intense. I could have screamed because up until then I was doing well.
          This pain has lasted up until today but to a much lesser degree as I had a course of 12 sessions of ozone autohemotherapy. The pain is bearable now and I have many periods of no pain at all, it just comes and goes.
          I of course would NOT recommend a nerve conduction test, but I have read others have had it without incidence.
          We can only each give our experiences and each of us must make up our own minds.
          I cry for you all,
          We will get through this, just keep going until you get there, even though the path is hard and rocky, dig deep for your inner strength.
          Hugs and love xx

        • cindy Jones November 30, 2016 at 1:55 pm

          Stephanie What diagnosis did your Naturopath reach about the cause of your spasms? Have u seen a neurologist at all?

        • Kurt December 1, 2016 at 11:09 am

          Yes…I’ve had 2 EMG tests. The last one was done when I was experiencing a lot of twitching. The doctors weren’t too worried about the twitches, but they are driving my CRAZY!

        • cindy Jones December 9, 2016 at 5:10 pm

          Stephanie I think that flagyl is as equally to blame as the cipro.

          Statins cause neuropathy and increase cholesterol and should never be prescribed with liver enzyme inducing drugs..

        • Stephanie December 9, 2016 at 5:34 pm

          I am very familiar with the dangers of flagyl having been high doses of flagyl combined with flqs.

    • cindy Jones November 30, 2016 at 9:20 am Reply

      Kurt I just came across this . It says taking calcium makes spasms worse. I do not know what to think anymore about all of this.

      I have to be honest and say that I think it can be very dangerous to discount all doctors and to immediately seek the services of a naturopath . I saw a nutritionist cum expert in natural methods a couple of years ago who told me she could diagnose and also cure cancer!! It is easy she alleged!!!

      Oh yeah, sure thing!!

      I did not go back to see her especially due to the fact that she ‘prescribed’ a toxic dose of vitamin D drops , she did not even establish a baseline to see if it was necessary.

      • Lisa November 30, 2016 at 9:58 am Reply

        Cindy, in the U.S. naturopaths are doctors. They go through training that is comparable to that of MDs, just with a different slant/focus. They are qualified medical professionals and their opinions should be trusted, respected, and questioned/challenged, just like the opinions of MDs. They tend to be more open to treating complex problems like fluoroquinolone toxicity in ways that have helped others on this site. Several people on this site have had their lives saved by their Naturopath, and I think that their stories should be listened to so that others can learn from their experiences.

        • Debs November 30, 2016 at 1:16 pm

          Indeed Lisa . Western medicine, & the sheer ignorance of our allopathic Drs all too often never having dipped a toe into prevention of diseases, into nutrition, & treating the person as a whole, is in my experience & opinion, & after 17 years & ongoing of deep research into every aspect of it, carried out by researching both sides of the subject & am looking into at the time, & very importantly the history of a subject right back to source , whether this be of a drug approval or specialisation or procedure etc, whether this be of natural origin or chemically based, & personally I research with without prejudice no matter how ‘ crazy’ something may seem, this deep research has over time left me with a deeply disturbing conclusion, that I will live longer by simply avoiding it as much as humanely possible. Allopathic care is useful for emergencies, immediate life saving situations & fixing broken bones etc that sort of thing, that is as long as you know exactly what they are prescribing, & you are conscious at the time & you can advocate for yourself but for everything else, please please BEWARE.

          Although ALL prospective Drs, treatments, & methods, whether they be allopathic or naturopathic integrative etc, MUST be researched in DEPTH in exactly the same way, including the history of the subject when relevant, allopathic western medicine & care is in my opinion when looked at as a whole, FAR more dangerous, especially when it comes to situations like ours, where the FQs cause symptoms which can be mistaken for MANY other things, can be given a label & then subsequently convince our Drs to prescribe more of those toxic synthetic chemical based drugs.

          We all too often will end up misdiagnosed when we seek out allopathic care for the symptoms we are experiencing due to the ADRs caused by FQs, with conditions we do NOT actually have, & personally, I am just not prepared to accept those labels stuck on me in sheer ignorance, I am NOT sick, I am poisoned, & as such, I am not prepared to add more allopathic poison to my poor body & brain, a body & brain which is already compromised, seriously injured, & already poisoned IF I can avoid doing so .
          The pharmaceutical industry is an investment business .. period, their first responsibility is to their shareholders & we who suffer Iatrogenic injury are simply collateral damage. This potential Iatrogenic injury is already accounted for, & money is put aside for any lawsuits which may arise from the prescribing of those various poisons just in case they do get caught out, & sadly it does not touch them at all, the next day its business as usual, it is just a drop in the ocean to them.

          The corruption also runs throughout EVERY aspect of allopathic health’care’.
          Western allopathic ‘medicine’ & the research is unfortunately seriously compromised, unfortunately as things stand right now in my own opinion it is simply broken, along with the drug regulatory agencies worldwide.

          Our allopathic Drs are basically brainwashed to within an inch of their lives via big Pharma indoctrination & dogma, from the very first day they enter medical school, so when I do have cause to visit an allopathic Dr, which believe me is not very often, & when they ARE giving me their advice / opinion whatever, I will ALWAYS keep in mind the following : That I am on the whole NOT actually speaking to my Dr, I am instead speaking directly to the pharmaceutical industry … you know, those drug dealers who make their money on ‘ the comeback ‘ , those that are NOT seeking cures for anything, but who are instead looking for customers, customers that they can trap in their allopathic system, all too often via those ‘ side effects’,to those allopathic drugs customers as a result of the damage they cause, they can then keep FOR LIFE .

        • cindy Jones November 30, 2016 at 1:58 pm

          Debs
          Absolutely agree.

        • cindy Jones November 30, 2016 at 2:05 pm
      • cindy Jones November 30, 2016 at 1:49 pm Reply

        Lisa
        Thank you for pointing out the training that Naturopaths receive in the USA.

        Sadly the same does not apply here in the UK. As people from all over read this website then one has to bear in mind that some people may resort to seeking the services of a naturopath in the UK and thus risking not being given the correct diagnosis. I am sure that you will agree that in a case like that it is safer to see a neurologist first before seeking the services of a naturopath , that is in the UK.

        Also Naturopaths in the UK work to a different code of conduct that those in the USA.

        The point I was trying to make and this is a discussion group is that certain signs and symptoms can indicate serious conditions that may be overlooked by a naturopath. In this country a naturopath would not be allowed to see a patient unless the patient had been seen by a medical practitioner.

        The glutathione issue has been discussed at length on here and the outcome is that it has helped some but not all in fact in some people it has made matters worse.
        Someone on here says that he has found out to unblock the gyrase etc that he states is responsible for the fluoroquinolone toxicity syndrome.

        Is it possible to elicit this information from him do you think?

        In the meantime anyone with spasms or rls, twitching muscles, weakness of muscles should seek neurological advice FIRST to rule out MS, Lupus, etc, etc.

        Sorry if what I say or write is not in keeping with the minority .

    • cindy Jones November 30, 2016 at 2:10 pm Reply
    • cindy Jones December 5, 2016 at 10:27 am Reply

      Kurt Have you read any off Joshua Tucker e mails or books/dvds on tendonitis?

      The crux is to exercise gently and massage the affected limbs.

  7. Josh November 26, 2016 at 9:40 pm Reply

    Has anybody tried turmeric supplements

    • Susan November 26, 2016 at 10:55 pm Reply

      I was thinking about trying it for pain. I heard that helps some people.

      • cindy Jones November 27, 2016 at 12:16 pm Reply

        Susan I have heard positive reports about turmeric and also large amounts of Vitmin C they are both anti oxidants. Fluorides enemy!!

      • Courtney cole November 27, 2016 at 8:38 pm Reply

        Tart cherry juice has really helped me with pain. It’s tasty so maybe worth a try?

    • SM November 26, 2016 at 11:34 pm Reply

      Yes. Tried it and did experience some reduction in overall pain.

    • Madge hirsch November 27, 2016 at 12:17 pm Reply

      I havd been taking turmeric for about 6 months now. I think they help. I suffer from diverticulitis ( treatment for which resulted in my latest floxing) and I have noticed fewer abdominal twinges and definitely less nausea. My floxing symptoms have been easing off a bit but don’t know if it’s due to any of the myriad of supplements I take or just time!

      • Josh November 27, 2016 at 1:21 pm Reply

        How much should I take the bottle says 1-2 pills a day

        • Josh November 28, 2016 at 9:00 pm

          Hi I tried one pill got some relief in my calves

        • cindy Jones November 30, 2016 at 9:00 am

          Josh Where did you buy the turmeric from? Was it online? Have u got the details please. Many thanks

        • cindy Jones December 10, 2016 at 5:17 am

          Josh which brand of turmeric did you find worked for you?

      • cindy Jones November 30, 2016 at 2:10 pm Reply
        • Josh December 2, 2016 at 7:49 pm

          Cindy I bought them at the vitashop 300mg it’s their own brand it also has magnesium in it

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  9. cindy Jones November 27, 2016 at 12:17 pm Reply

    Today I spoke to a lady who has developed myoclonus following taking pregabelin/lyrica. She told me that a friend of hers had also developed myoclonus.
    These ‘nerve pain analgesics are very potent.

  10. cindy Jones November 27, 2016 at 12:33 pm Reply

    For everyone who was asking about the link between thyroid disorders, auto immune diseases, neuropathy and floxing.
    I am having a bad time lately.
    Antibodies, anti nuclear antibodies (ANA’s) and ebv. EBV stands for Epstein Barre Virus . This is a test to see if you have ever had glandular fever or been exposed to it. This can attack the thyroid gland and can cause auto immune disease.

    • Lisa December 1, 2016 at 6:38 pm Reply

      Cindy, you may find Diana’s story to be interesting – https://floxiehope.com/dianas-recovery-story-epstein-barr-connection/. She connects FQ toxicity to EBV and treated it according to an EBV protocol. A lot of information about EBV can be found in Anthony Williams’ books and podcasts.

      • cindy Jones December 2, 2016 at 3:07 pm Reply

        Dear Lisa

        Just seen your reply. Thank you I am at my wits end with all this. The Neuropathy is the worst thing I have experienced in my life.

  11. cindy Jones November 27, 2016 at 2:05 pm Reply

    Lyrica can cause myoclonus.

  12. cindy Jones November 27, 2016 at 3:59 pm Reply

    lyrica causes myoclonus. There are many references to this.

  13. cindy Jones November 28, 2016 at 12:31 pm Reply

    Does anyone know if ultrasound is any good for tendonitis? I am thinking of buying a portable machine for home use.

  14. cindy Jones November 28, 2016 at 12:34 pm Reply

    Does anyone know if ultra sound can benefit tendinopathy?

    • Ryan L November 28, 2016 at 5:14 pm Reply

      Ruth Young mentions having a personal one in her story that helped, and you may be able to ask her about it. Jayne’s story also talks positively about this treatment from a physical therapist. You do need to be careful with these, as I recall reading mixed reviews in the past (May have been from improper use/wrong gels). On that note, make sure you don’t get a gel that has anti-inflammatory (NSAID) ingredients. I’d recommend doing research on this to make sure you didn’t get the wrong stuff. I inquired about this in the past to a physical therapist, and they were the first one to warn me about the gels that might be used. I may look into it again in the future, but if I decide to do it, I’ll probably go to an experienced physical therapist first to inquire about the device to make sure I know how to use a home unit properly. Online videos and instruction manuals can only tell you so much. If you try it, please let us know how you do with it.

      • cindy Jones November 29, 2016 at 5:24 am Reply

        Ryan L
        Thanks for the info.

        I will ask around and get back to you with the feedback. I have kidney disease so NSAIDS are contraindicated anyway however that does not prevent some ‘doctors’ from trying to prescribe them!! One ‘dr’ said that my kidney function was better than his and that HE was prepared to take a risk and prescribe NSAIDs. I told him that my kidney function may be alright now but after taking a nephrotoxic drug such as an NSAID that I would not like to put money on the kidney function being okay afterwards.

      • Lisa December 1, 2016 at 6:40 pm Reply

        Cindy, Ruth has answered hundreds of comments on her story – https://floxiehope.com/ruths-story-cipro-toxicity/. If you inquire on her story page, she may be able to give you some advice about ultrasound and other healing methods she used.

        • cindy Jones December 4, 2016 at 4:51 am

          Loisa Thanks for the reference to Ruuts story.

    • veteran floxie November 30, 2016 at 8:55 am Reply

      Have you tried rubbing magnesium oil?

      • cindy Jones November 30, 2016 at 9:02 am Reply

        No not yet. I have just bought some Ancient Minerals magnesium flakes so am planning on making my own mag oil as recommended on this website.

  15. Julie Wagner November 29, 2016 at 7:14 pm Reply

    I got bad problems with neck tension, arms, feet,/ankles, hands. Will stop Otezla tonight, I had know idea, thank you for the information. Upset

    • cindy Jones November 30, 2016 at 5:43 pm Reply

      https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3189412/

      This is a very complex link to how fluoroquinolones damage the DNA and block the gyrase in our bodies causing us to be unable to relax our muscles.

      I will probably get shot down as it is a very lengthy article however I am quite happy to share anything I find that I feel we should all be made aware of in order that someone somewhere may be helped.

      Drs are lazy because they treated us with antibiotics and the dratted fluoroquinolones without checking that there was even an infection present.

      Antibiotics cause damage to the DnA. It is no use in just confining this website to the fluoroquinolones. We need to know the full range of toxic substances, drugs, chemicals, foodstuffs in order to avoid them and to try to get better.

      We are nowhere near to resolving how to unjam the gyrase process. Anyone who suggests that we are is deluded imho.

  16. veteran floxie November 29, 2016 at 7:59 pm Reply

    Homeopathy restores the body´s vital force and that´s where real healing begins to take place, here is a link to a good book explaining how it works.

    http://www.drdooley.net/Book.pdf

  17. veteran floxie November 29, 2016 at 8:18 pm Reply

    The second treatment is something very few people know about. It is a homeopathic product specifically designed to reverse the adverse effects of Cipro! For those of you who have been suffering a long time and doing a lot of research on cures for this condition, you may be surprised that such a thing exists. I first heard of this product from my N.M.D., who heard of it from her mentor, who used it on her sister in-law, who was suffering from Cipro Toxicity. Whether it was luck or a fluke, I will never know, but this product was prescribed for me, and it had a big impact on my condition. When I first began taking this medication, I immediately started experiencing what is referred to as a “healing crisis”. During this process I literally went backward in time from the day treatment began, almost to the beginning of my illness (for details on this experience, you can read My Cipro Journal). As it turns out, this product was created for the purpose of completely reversing the negative side effects of Cipro. I know this, because after a lengthy fact finding mission I was able to speak to the doctor who commissioned this Cipro “cure”. His name is Manfred Mueller at Homeopathic Associates. We had a couple of conversations during which the severity of my condition was explained, and he said to me (on 10-12-2010), “I think your condition is completely reversible”. Has anyone ever said that to you????? He also explained to me that reversing the adverse effects of medications with Homeopathy is his specialty and his passion, which is why he created this cure for Cipro Toxicity called “Homeocipro” (available by prescription only). Unfortunately, the doctor told me that I took the homeopathic Cipro cure for too long and at the wrong dose, but that it probably isn’t too late if I want to start over. I wish I had known about him before I took the remedy, but alas… would have, could have, should have… the point here is that the product exists and it is available to you! You have the opportunity to find a specialist to prescribe and administer this Cipro cure, and perhaps other homeopathic medicines that may offer you a 100% recovery from your symptoms, even an inability to walk! In hindsight, I would have consulted with this man from day one had I known about him. Not only does he specialize in reversing the adverse effects of medication, but he created a Cipro cure that is safe, affordable and effective!!!!-quote.

    http://www.survivingcipro.com/supportive-solutions/three-things-that-worked-for-me/

    • cindy Jones November 30, 2016 at 2:13 pm Reply

      How does one obtain it? Are u in the UK Veteran floxie?

      • veteran floxie December 1, 2016 at 8:40 pm Reply

        From what ia have read you can only get it with prescription, so the best bet is to see a homeopath and talk to him/her about it. I myself have not taken it since i am seven years post floxing, my issue today is myoclonus from a herpes infection, i am taking agaricus which is the remedy for myoclonus, the dose is 30c ten drops twice daily morning and night, it has helped me, but i still have issues. I am assuming the healing will be on a time lapsed, and maybe i will have to up the dose, i need to talk to an homeopath about it.

    • Bob November 30, 2016 at 6:59 pm Reply

      I was trying to fix that product over 3 years ago and never could.

      • cindy Jones December 4, 2016 at 5:04 am Reply

        Bob Have you tried to find it recently ?

        • Bob December 4, 2016 at 1:51 pm

          No

  18. Lenny November 30, 2016 at 2:59 pm Reply

    Hi everyone,

    I got floxed five month ago and have big tendon and joint issues.

    Now I need a tooth filling, has anybody an idea from which material the filling could be. Which materials/ substances should i avoid?

    Thank you a lot!

    • cindy Jones November 30, 2016 at 3:28 pm Reply

      Hi Lenny
      You need to find a dentist who does non mercurial fillings etc.

    • L November 30, 2016 at 3:46 pm Reply

      Find a Huggins trained dds. They use safer materials, avoid fluoride and their protocols are all geared toward non toxic care. https://www.hugginsappliedhealing.com/find-dentist.php

    • Ryan L November 30, 2016 at 4:04 pm Reply

      I’ve heard a lot of people recommend going with a Holistic Dentist post floxing for all dental needs. If you go to a regular dentist, no mercury fillings. Instead, a BPA free composite resin filling would be better. Make sure you have it done with a water laser and without pain meds. I’ve had this type of tooth filling done three times in the past (Pre-floxing), and they were never painful, just a little bit of pressure once or twice. You may also find the following story link below interesting on how to reverse/heal a cavity. Depending on how bad your cavity is would determine whether or not to try it.

      https://draxe.com/naturally-reverse-cavities-heal-tooth-decay/

    • veteran floxie December 1, 2016 at 8:42 pm Reply

      avoid mercury fillings.

  19. cindy Jones December 1, 2016 at 7:51 am Reply
  20. Lenny December 1, 2016 at 9:53 am Reply

    Thank you L and Ryan!

    I have tried it without a dentist similiar to Dr. Axe hints, but i think it needs a treatment now.

  21. Kurt December 1, 2016 at 12:19 pm Reply

    Question for the group…

    How long does the joint popping and cracking last on average? Mine has gotten a little better but is still pretty bad.

    • Ryan L December 1, 2016 at 12:36 pm Reply

      I don’t think any two people are the same. For me, it was the worst the first 3-4 months. Not painful, just annoying. Now (11 1/2 months later), it shows up once and a while.

      • Kurt December 1, 2016 at 12:49 pm Reply

        Thanks for the info, Ryan…. Glad to hear it has gotten better for you!

    • cindy Jones December 1, 2016 at 12:50 pm Reply

      Kurt
      http://drcarolyndean.com/im_p1.pdf
      The above is a link to Dr Carolyn Dean and Magnesium.

      Magnesium may help but needs to be taken cautiously for example just a small dose at first as it chelates this poison from our bodies and we will get the detox effect that is increased pin etc. Just as glutathione is doing to some people. Perhaps glutathione is okay provided the dose is carefully calculated. It may be worthwhile getting a graph et up to monitor the dose of glutathione that was given plus if any additives were in the IV and also the reaction of the individual to the IV. This is quality assurance and can answer why some people tolerate glutathione and others cannot abide it.

      Magnesium cannot repair the dna but it is purported to help people with the signs and symptoms of poisoning.

      ny kind of relief is welcome. I hope these pharmaceutical Companies go to prison for a long, long time.

  22. veteran floxie December 1, 2016 at 9:01 pm Reply

    The FDA is controlled by big pharma, the directors in the FDA are the same people in big pharma, the system is very evil. The amount of suffering and pain they are inflicting on society is a hellish crime.

    The best thing we can do is to promote positive thoughts and prayers among ourselves and create awareness so others won´t fall into this nightmare.

    I got to the point with my latest reaction that i just gave up looking into the bad stuff, i realized we live in a hellish world and the forces that control this world are completely evil, they make ordinary people commit hellish crimes (doctors prescribing quins) i try to focus all my energy and thoughts on positive meditation and spiritual energy.

    We are being tested in this life, the more positive energy we can create the better it will be for our souls.

    I watched a video and a buddhist master said,

    sometimes we are watching t.v. and we see the lottery in the program, and suddenly the number they are saying is the number we have,

    and we say, oh that is my number, we are so happy!

    oh what am i going to do with all this money, we are happy and then suddenly we wake up!

    and we realize….oh it was just a dream.

    and on another day, we are being chased by criminals and they want to kill us, we are very scared and frightened, and then again we wake up!

    and we realize….oh it was just a dream,

    so that is what buddha is saying….life is just a dream, no matter how good or bad it is.

    it is just a dream.

    But the good things we do and the love we share with others, those things we will take with us and they will enrich our soul.

    • cindy Jones December 3, 2016 at 10:46 am Reply

      veteran floxie , kurt everyone
      I am not advertising but I saw this on tv today and wondered if anyone in the USA had heard of it etc. I wondered if it is safe to use if someone has a history of blood clots, for example deep vein thrombosis, pulmonary embolism and so on or any clotting disorders?

      It is recommended for circulatory problems including neuropathy.

      http://www.revitive.com/neuropathy/

  23. cindy Jones December 2, 2016 at 8:14 am Reply

    Life is nightmare for some .

    • veteran floxie December 3, 2016 at 6:06 am Reply

      Our prayers go out to everyone, that they may heal and find peace.

    • cipropolfloxed December 3, 2016 at 10:29 am Reply

      Life is nightmare for us, and will be for others. Fq poison is still on the market, bayer and jandj many many $ and more $ and much more $ profit.

      Since 80′ we have more and more pure synthetic drugs with more harm side effects than good.

      • cindy Jones December 4, 2016 at 4:38 am Reply

        ciprofloxed I totally agree.

  24. Peter S. December 3, 2016 at 11:21 am Reply

    I went to an urgent care ER because I had left side abdominal pains. They gave me Levofloxacin intravenously and also prescribed 9- 500mg tablets. I did start having muscle spasms on my left leg 3 days after my visit. It stopped the next day but now I have left thigh and knee pain which is worse when I walk but also at night. I visited my doctor 2 days ago and he put me on muscle relaxants and methylprednisolone. He said I’d be ok in about 5 days. It’s been 2 days on these meds and I’m still with the same pain. I only get partial relief from them. I would appreciate any feedback on this matter.

    • Stephanie December 3, 2016 at 11:33 am Reply

      Start taking magnesium but get it from a health food store because they are better. Also start going to a naturopath for magnesium IV treatments!!! I would also suggest staying away from GMO. Stay positive stay positive stay positive!!!

      • Peter S. December 3, 2016 at 12:34 pm Reply

        Thanks Stephanie!

    • veteran floxie December 3, 2016 at 11:51 am Reply

      Peter your doctor is a bloody fool,

      stop the taking the drugs he gave you because they will only compound the damage that the levofloxacin has made.

      Go see a homeopathic doctor, someone who has treated fluoroquinilone adverse reactions.

      • Pedro S. December 3, 2016 at 12:21 pm Reply

        Hey Vet Floxie, the ER doc also gave me Naproxen Sodium for the abdominal pain. I hope that’s not what started this whole chain reaction.

        • veteran floxie December 3, 2016 at 8:31 pm

          No, the fluoroquinilones do the damage first. When a doctor does not realize the person has had an adverse reaction to the quin and prescribes other toxic drugs, those drugs compound the original damage. It is very critical that people know this and be very cautious. We are aware that sometimes people may need a drug to alleviate the symptoms, but those choices come with a heavy price tag, we have seen it here many times,that is why we warn people of the circumstances and the dnager of taking toxic drugs. I was in a certain condition recently and fortunately found a homeopathihc remedy that has helped me. Homeopathy prescribed by a professional homeopath is safe, the dose should always be below 30c.

        • Peter S. December 3, 2016 at 8:44 pm

          Thanks, I’ll have to check it out in my area.There is a couple of acupuncturist and holistic medicine places here. Not sure about docs who practice homeopathic medicine though. In the meantime, I’m wondering if taking some low dose Tylenol would help me out for the pain now through the night and tomorrow.

    • Bob December 3, 2016 at 11:55 am Reply

      So they give you a super strong antibiotic that’s been all over the. news lately for horrific effects as well as lawsuits and they didn’t even know what was causing the pain. This just shows you what idiots they are. If I were you I would. not take anymore of their drugs . So far your reaction is mild. I would take calcium and magnesium as well as some relatively high doses of vitamin C. Drink a lot of water to detox. Get plenty of rest for awhile. If symptoms get worse go to a fulnctional medicine doctor or a naturopath. The MD’$ are brainwashed idiots.

      • Peter S. December 3, 2016 at 12:18 pm Reply

        Bob, my diagnosis for the left side abdominal pain was mild acute diverticulitis. I did fail to mention that I suffered a lower back pain like when trying to bend down to quickly. I felt a knot in my lower back. It was the same day of the ER visit. After that I woke up with a sore back the next day. It went away the following day but I re-aggravated it by trying to put something in the oven to quickly without bending properly. I thought the thigh and leg pain was caused by a pinched nerve so that’s what my doctor checked for. So maybe that’s why he gave me those muscle relaxants. They haven’t helped so I don’t think I’m taking them anymore

    • cindy Jones December 4, 2016 at 4:48 am Reply

      Peter S
      If it were me I would not take any prednisolone , nsaids etc, etc. Stick to magnesium and leave these terrible steroids alone, they have too many nasty side effects and do no good anyway. Sorry to be pushy but I have been a victim of the steroids suffering immense depression .

      Have you tried heat on your back or a tens machine. Keep mobilising, bend from the knees. There are plenty of videos online re relaxation techniques and also exercises for back pain. Keep a good posture with the lumbar spine supported. Can use a rolled up towel to place in the lumbar region to maintain the curve in that area and to take pressure off the irritated nerve.

      I hope that helps. Wonder why the idiot dr did not recommend a physio?
      I would avoid all drugs including pain killers because they do more harm than good creating dependency and more money for Big Harma..

  25. veteran floxie December 3, 2016 at 11:40 am Reply

    So check this out,

    on thursday i decided to try and experiment and see if i could expand my restricted diet, as you know i only eat potatoes and rice with organic chicken or fish, sometimes liver, i use onions and oregano for seasoning as i don´t eat salt or sugar, i cook it steamed with coconut oilt, for breakfast i eat sweet potatoes with a banana and bee pollen, i add probiotics to my mint tea, that´s it!

    That day i was out riding my bike in town and i was really hungry, so idecided to eat some ceviche (raw fish cured in lime juice) it had some salt, i ate it with some tortilla chips (fried in some type of funky oil), that after noon i ate peanuts and some cornmeal cookies (the cookies have sugar and salt and are made with vegetable oil), i usually eat corn since it has no regular gluten.

    Needless to say my experiment was a disaster!

    My sleep was nil, it was broken from start to finish, an hour here and an hour there,

    friday i decided to go back to my restricted diet and ate liver steamed with rice, onions and coconut oil,

    last night i went to bed and slept two hours from 9:30 to 11:30, went to the john and back to bed, i ended up sleeping from about 12 to 5:20,

    which is my normal sleeping pattern since taking the homeopathic remedy agaricus,

    today i´m sticking with my restricted diet and hoping for the best.

    • cindy Jones December 4, 2016 at 5:01 am Reply

      veteran floxie. I know what you mean about changing the diet. I have done similar with disasterous consequences/ It is tempting to try to regain what we lost but when it does not work out then we regret it. Never mind. You tried at least. It may have been the corn, maize starch that did the damage. It will pass.

      .

      • veteran floxie December 4, 2016 at 8:14 pm Reply

        I beleive it was the peanuts principally since they contain lots of glutamate, glutamate is bad news for floxies. Needless tp say a ate too much of the wrong foods, i guess i have to stay with potatoes and rice, and eat corn occasionally.

        • L December 4, 2016 at 8:20 pm

          corn itself may not be the problem, but rather GMO corn, which most of it is. Get organic. (Trader Joes says that all products with the Trader Joe label on it, eg corn tortillas are non-gmo)

        • Stephanie December 4, 2016 at 8:46 pm

          Totally agree I can tell a difference from when I moved and now I eat farm fresh veggies. They are non GMO no spray also all of the trail mix I eat is from the farm. I can tell you that I feel a difference even from the garlic I use in the food. I also have found the bread that is labeled non GMO or is farm fresh has no impact on me. I would also like to point out that a lot of other countries have banned GMOs due to the harm that they can cause.

        • cindy Jones December 5, 2016 at 10:32 am

          vet floxie Here is a link to foods containing glutamate.

          https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=foodstuffs+containing+glutamate&ie=&oe=

  26. veteran floxie December 3, 2016 at 1:03 pm Reply

    here is a good article on ozone therapy and antioxidants.

    Many of these supplements can also have some serious side effects if you don’t do the proper research. Glutathione, for instance, is a very popular antioxidant supplement and for good reason; it can be very effective. However, if you have been exposed to mercury poisoning and take glutathione IV infusions it can actually move the mercury around, eventually settling it in the brain, nervous system, and the adrenal glands, which can cause some serious problems for your body -quote.

    https://www.mypromolife.com/blog/2016/11/oxidative-stress-and-the-role-of-antioxidants-ozone-therapy-and-cbd

  27. Ann December 5, 2016 at 8:58 am Reply

    Has anybody tested lions mane, for nerve support?

  28. Meg December 6, 2016 at 4:42 pm Reply

    Hi everyone!

    I’m new here (but not new to FQs) and wanted to share my story for new floxies, especially younger folk.

    I strongly suspect I had previously taken Cipro before 2008, as I have horrible sinuses and usually get a bad infection once a year or so. I remember having really bad leg and arm pain that wouldn’t go away, and then it kind of subsided over a few months. I just assumed I had pulled muscles or something and didn’t think too much of it until I was prescribed Cipro in 2008 for a UTI/sinus combo 1000mg 2x a day for 7 days. (Amoxicillin would’ve worked fine – and did once I discontinued the Cipro, but it was urgent care and I trusted the doc!) I didn’t want to take it. I felt really uneasy about it, especially after reading the warnings and side effects, but I chalked it up to my anxiety and took the first pill.

    A few hours later I felt that familiar ache that I hadn’t felt in years start in my ankle and tracks up my leg and I knew I was screwed. My parents convinced me that, as a highly anxious 19 year old, I might be making too much out of things and to take at least one more pill to try to kill the infection before we got a different prescription in the morning. And so I took the second (and last) pill. BELIEVE me, I was kicking myself about this months and months later.

    The pain in my legs came first, then my arms and hands. My anxiety got ten times worse, which was much harder to deal with than the pain. My feet were buzzing all the time which drove me ******* crazy!!! And I got floaters in my eyes which was distressing to say the least (at least they were clear ones though – tiny blessings!) and I wanted nothing more than to go back in time and stop myself from taking those two pills.

    I immediately got online and started to take magnesium, tried to reduce further exposure through poultry, and worked hard to only put things into my body that would help and not harm. It’s 2016 now and I can honestly say that I feel about as good as I did pre-floxing, with the exception of the floaters which have stuck with me (they bothered me the most in the long run, but I’ve learned to ignore them and only really see them now if I try to look for them). I also think I’m far more sensitive to medication now (still do great on Amox/Penicillin but can no longer tolerate other abx that used to work on me side effect free pre-Cipro).

    Honestly, the greatest helper for me was time. I’m still convinced that wasn’t my first exposure, but it will most certainly be my last. I’ve been lurking the yahoo group and the like for years and just wanted to say hello to you all and let the newbie floxies and fellow youngins know that there is a life after these horrible things. It feels like hell at first, and for a long time, but time really does help to see things though.

    • Kurt December 6, 2016 at 6:31 pm Reply

      Thanks for sharing your story, Meg! I’m glad to hear you are now feeling better!!

      I agree about “Time” being the great healer. It’s been almost 2 years for me now and there are slight improvements, and am hoping for an even better 2017. Take Care!

    • Lisa December 7, 2016 at 9:53 pm Reply

      Thank you so much for sharing your story, Meg! That’s fantastic, and congratulations! I’m so glad that, with time, your body healed! If you’re interested in having your story up as a page on this site, please let me know (through the contact link).

      Best regards,
      Lisa

  29. Ryan L December 6, 2016 at 7:06 pm Reply

    I have a question for the floxie community that I’m unsure on. I’m considering whether or not to add a “dust mite controller” to a few rooms in my house. These can supposedly Kill dust mites instead of repelling them by using Ultrasonic waves that interfere with the growth cycle of dust mites. Some even come with a UV light that kills dust mites and their eggs. So my question is, is there any reason why a floxed person would want to avoid this technology? The fact that it kills things has me a little concerned for how it could negatively effect my health, and I figured someone here may have some insight to offer on this. Here’s an example of the product:

    https://www.amazon.com/Dust-Controller-technology-reduce-mites/dp/B00E1XNC4S/ref=sr_1_1_a_it?ie=UTF8&qid=1481076331&sr=8-1&keywords=ultrasonic+dust+mite+controller

    • Lisa December 8, 2016 at 7:29 am Reply

      Hi Ryan,

      I suspect that Dr. Krause would be able to help you. He’s an expert in how light affects humans. Here’s his facebook page – https://www.facebook.com/drjackkruse/.

      Regards,
      Lisa

      • Ryan L December 8, 2016 at 3:53 pm Reply

        Thanks for the tip Lisa.

  30. Ann December 7, 2016 at 3:45 am Reply

    Im starting to give up, to ever get better. Over 13 months out, and im getting worse and worse over time . I feel like im slowly dying. many do seem to slowly recover over time. For me its just getting more and more a nightmare. I really dont know what to do anymore.

    • joanneg December 7, 2016 at 1:24 pm Reply

      Ann,

      I know it’s hard, but don’t give up hope

      At 13 months out, I too was getting worse and worse and had no hope of ever getting better, I thought for sure I was going to die from this, especially after reading stories that said they just progressively got better with time, and i felt I was progressively getting worse with time. My mind was so full of fear from all the things that were wrong with my body functions, and I knew the fear was making me even worse. So I decided I had to cling to hope that’s all that was left!!!

      But now i’m 31 months out and i’m definitely getting better. I’m not healed, but all symptoms are way less. So hang in there and believe against all you’re going through that you will get better because you need hope!!! It will help your mind to overcome the crippling fear that comes with this.

      What supplements are you taking? And what are your symptoms?

      • Ann December 7, 2016 at 2:21 pm Reply

        Hi joanneg
        Thanks for your words, that means alot. I know, i have never gave up hope. But its only getting worse and worse. And like you wrote… I really feel that im gonna die from this. I can hardly function. I miss my life so much. I cry every day. But then i try to be positive, but its so Hard. I dont know what to think any more. I have started to loose hope. It was that Who kept me going.
        Like you was, im so full off fear. I dont want to die or suffer until i die. Im so afraid to get even worse.
        Okay, so you also got worse over time, when did you start to improve? What was your symptoms? And what are they now?
        Well i have such a long list. Tingling and numbness from head to toe, pain every where but mostly in my head, back, chest, legs, arms, feet, hands. cold hands and feet, my blood circulation dosent seem to work, my blood veins look strange, high and low blood pressure, high and low heart rate, heart problems, palpitations, extreme fatigue, gut problems with pain, my nails have ridges in them, joint pain, blurry vision, light and sound sensitive, memory loss, sometimes i feel i cant even think, headaches and headpressure, extremly Hard to breathe it has gotten worse over time, Hard to swallow, depression, anxiethy, extreme insomnia, extreme off balance and dizziness, ear pressure, dry skin all over my body, shaking very bad, muscle twitching, my kidneys do not seem to work right. And i have surely forgotten something.
        The hardest thing is that my gut react to everything, i cant even take magnesium, but mostly because off my kidneys . But i take d ribose for my heart and d vitamin and probiotics and i eat fermented foods. I only eat organic and healthy, but i have lost a lot off weight, over 42 pounds.
        I feel like im a 90 year old woman.
        How do you deal with all this? And still have The hope to get better? I feel so alone, even if my parents and my fiance supports me.

        • Stephanie December 7, 2016 at 3:23 pm

          Ann read the email I sent you. Why I would like to add to it and just to say to everyone on this site. I don’t know if I will ever “recover” I am almost 2yrs out and it is still unknown. What I can and what I choose to do is to take joy in my dogs my mike and the love of dear friends. I have a list of pains and aches and fears. Some days I cry when they beat me down. But I choose to focus on the moments when they don’t. We all have our fears our worries but the one thing we all have control over is to live each day in the moment. I don’t know if I will ever live a “normal” life. I can allow it to kill my soul or I can live. I cannot do much out side or inside my house anymore but I still can find joy. I guess what I want to share with all of my heart with everyone one here is that no one knows who or when or if any of us will recover but what we can all do is focus on the love allow ourselves to have bad days feel sad but do not get lost in the sorrow. I can say that I cannot do much sometimes I cannot even move but I do know love and joy and hold onto those moments and allow them to push me through to live through the pain that we all have.

        • Bob December 7, 2016 at 5:33 pm

          Lately I have going thru a horrific relapse after oral surgery. I have been trying to find a good reason not to drive 90 mph into a wall. Your post gives me a little hope.

        • Stephanie December 7, 2016 at 5:48 pm

          That means more to me than I could ever put into words. It truly does!!!! As long as you have hope there is always a reason to go on. I’m glad that I could be of help. Bob you are needed here. You have love in your life and even if it’s just sitting in nature or seeing the beauty of a sunset. You will have bad days but please before you go on a drive that you will not come back from please write to us here.

        • joanneg December 7, 2016 at 5:23 pm

          Hi Ann,

          I had every single symptom that you listed and more! I also lost 40 lbs within 6 weeks. I felt like I was 90 yrs old I could barely walk, I had breathing and swallowing issues, joints popping and cracking, stomach wrenching, heart palpitations, continuous high heart rate, blood pressure too high at first then too low, extreme head pressure, blurry vision, dry mouth, deep ridges in all my nails, extreme pains throughout my body, severe weakness, insomnia, EXTREME DIZZINESS like I was continuously drunk and EXTREME racing and shaky brain(these were my worst symptoms because I could barely function because of them; I couldn’t think, remember, do tasks) numbness, tingling, circulation problems (my arms, legs or head would get so numb from no circulation) and in the beginning my veins were extremely large especially in the sun, but now they are extremely small, too small. I had so many things wrong with me I don’t think I could ever remember them all.

          I didn’t start to see any relief until 18-22 months out that’s when I started using magnesium at higher doses along with colostrum and probiotics. For me, these were the supplements that helped me turn the corner towards recovery ( i would also add a good multi vitamin).

          **I don’t know what’s wrong with your kidneys, but if you can, I think it’s very important to start working on getting a good amount of magnesium in you. I use oral magnesium and magnesium oil. The oil works better and quicker, and I make my own so it’s way cheaper. I now take my magnesium along with a multivitamin and it works better. And the colostrum and probiotics help heal your stomach and reduces inflammation throughout the body(and many other benefits).

          I did have flare ups of getting worse again and I still do. But it does seem to be related to how I’m taking my supplements. For example, I’m just recovering from a really bad flare up, but it was because I felt so good I stopped taking all my supplements. I would flare up when I got sick or an infection, which I use Olive Leaf Extract for, and it has helped me every single time. A lot of supplements I tried would make my symptoms worse, also certain foods or drinks especially coffee or any stimulant.

          Anyhow, I was in the same boat as you at 13 months out, but now i am recovering.
          I’m not so sure about it being just time for me, since when I quit my supplements I went straight back to being really bad, and it was hard to get out of that flare until I used high doses of magnesium oil and oral magnesium.
          But the point is, I’m now at a place with my supplements, that I can do the things I couldn’t do before like get up and clean the house, go grocery shopping, cook dinner, play with my grandson, exercise, BE HAPPY!!! not always feeling like today might be the day that my body can’t take it any longer. Those thoughts used to consume me, but my mind is no longer stuck in that doom and gloom darkness. Thank you God!!! because that was a horrible place to be stuck in for so long. Now I definitely believe I will be healthy once again, now I believe there is hope of actually LIVING my life not just surviving it!!!

          I’m sorry this is written so sloppy, but my 3 yr old grandson must of said “Gram” 5,000 times while trying to write this🙂

        • Ann December 8, 2016 at 2:40 am

          Thanks stephanie for your kind words
          I Will respond to your e-mail later. You are right. I know you are right. But i guess i have a hard time excepting how Hurt and damaged i am. I had hope, but lately i have lost it. I hope i can find that Again. The Hard time is that its just getting worse, thats what worries me. I try not to cry all The time. But its like i cant even control it anymore. I hope i can find The strenght Again. I think im never going to be 100% healed, and thats fine. But like this. I want to enjoy life Again. Maybe its not going to be like it used to be, and thats fine to. But like this… Its just a nightmare.

        • Ann December 8, 2016 at 3:06 am

          Joanneg
          That sounds so wonderful, that you can function Again and be happy. I hope i can do that to some day. Do you have days now, where you can feel like your self? How often do you have flare ups? Did your breathing problems and swallowing got better?
          Ohhh it sounds like we had everything almost The same. About The brain. I feel like my brain pressure and then i almost faint. Its really scary.
          How long did you have this palpitations going on? It rasing every day, for hours. and i cant do anything to calm that down The doctors gave me betablockers, but i couldnt take them anymore , almost fainted all The time.
          I know that magnesium would be good, but my kidneys had been hit Hard from this. and my stomach is really bad, so it reacts Hard to magnesium. But i take magnesium oil on my body.
          I tried The colostrum. But it didnt work with my stomach Again. Its like everything in the body dont want to function. it really feels like my body is shutting down. I need to find some hope and strenght Again, dont know how though. But reading your stories helps

    • Madge hirsch December 8, 2016 at 3:26 am Reply

      Don’t give up hope. I am 16 months out from my last (one!) pill of Cipro and still have new symptoms appearing like an increase in neuropathy . But some other symptoms have got better. I feel that sticking to my diet and supplement regime helps and too much deviation from that leads to a return of symptoms. From previous floxings where I did not know that I had been poisoned by an antibiotic I can see that it took years for recovery – not complete but well enough to live life with enjoyment. Hang in there!

      • Ann December 8, 2016 at 6:55 am Reply

        Thanks Madge
        Thats good that some symptoms have gotten better. But im sorry your neuropathy have increased. Mine have that to. I also have neuropathy through my whole body. Its horrible! What kind off symptoms has lessen from you? What kind off supplements do you take? I have tried so many supplements, but most off them , are making me worse. I dont know why though. Okay, so you have been floxed before? so it took years to recover then? I hope i can recover so much, so i can live a life again. I know that im not going to be 100%, but at least , i want to live again. hugs!

        • Madge hirsch December 9, 2016 at 3:36 am

          I am lucky in that my floxing symptoms though many and diverse are not severe. The worst was rib pain which has got better recently but that has happened before and then it returns. My neuropathy is not horribly painful – just annoying. I get tingling in my left cheek and burning sensations here and there but they come and go . I have tendonitis which waxes and wanes but I think gets far worse in cold weather. At the moment it is in my elbows, forearms , thumbs and right hip. I had a few weeks in October and November when my breathing was not very good but that has improved a bit .
          This time I know I have been floxed so I can try to help myself. I think one of the most important steps is to try to avoid all subsequent exposure by means of animal or fish products that might have been exposed to FQs. I have switched to organic meat and poultry for the most part. Organic dairy also. This is not 100% sure here in France as the rules for organic produce do allow limited treatment with antibiotics if animals are sick but systematic treatment to prevent infections is forbidden. It is difficult to find some things in organic ranges but I have had to give up eating them like rabbit . Restaurant eating is very difficult!
          I take Ubiquinol,Curcumin, NAC, Magnesium (chloride and threonate)cod liver oil, probiotic, a calcium supplement and lots of vit d. My vit d level is at 76 ng / l which my doc thinks is too high but then he’s the one who gave me Cipro for a suspected UTI . I don’t really blame him. I blame the system which does not inform docs here that that is inapprorpriate. But I prefer to take the opinion of vit d researchers like Holick as to what is a good level. I do think that maybe the Curcumin has reduced my anxiety about being floxed and I feel more optimistic than say 6 months ago. I am 64 so I do not expect all my aches and pains to go away. I love gardening and being outside and though I cannot work long hours like I used to I try to go out when the sun is shining. I have noticed that on days when I cannot get out I sleep far worse. Have I remembered correctly that you are in Scandinavia? Awareness of floxing in Europe seems worse than in America.

        • Madge hirsch December 9, 2016 at 3:53 am

          Re beta blockers. I was hopitalised with a high heart rate and atrial fibrillation after one pill of Cipro. Iwas given beta blockers and felt like death warmed up on the dose the hospital cardiologist prescribed- 2.5 mg of Bisoprolol twice a day. I reduced it till I was down to 1.25 a day in a divided dose – had to split the small pill which was difficult. This I could tolerate. You might find that a very small dose helps your racing heart without giving you too many side effects. The trouble is most docs take a one size fits all approach without taking into consideration size,gender or most important whether the person mighg have any liver function issues that makes drug metabolism slower or inefficient leading to what is a toxic dose accumulating in the body. Liver issues might be why some supplements are making you worse.

        • Ann December 9, 2016 at 6:44 am

          Madge
          Thats good that you are not severe in all your symtoms. About your neuropathy, i hope that i also can feel that i am just enoyed about it. For me its painful, and very hard to deal with. But the weird thing is, that for me, its better when im asleep.
          About the betablockers. do you still take that small amount? I have stoped taking the betablockers. The doctors said maybe thats why i almost fainted all the time. But i still have this. But they have told me that i can take it when my heart pounds really bad. I took less and less off it, but i hope that i can manage without them. Because when i take them, it dosent stop the heart rate anyway. Its like my body cant controll my heart rate. And the betablockers does not seem to help for me. Really strange. I wonder if my blood circulation do not seem to work in the whole body. Because it feels like that. All my veins look very weird. Very large, like they are going to get out off my body , and are more green now.

          Okay, so you live in france? I guess the doctors there , are like here in sweden (yes, i live in sweden). they dont belive that antibiotics can do this to a body. They just think this is “all in my head”, and that i am just depressed or have anxiethy. Thats not that. Off course i have that to. But all the other things going on in the body. Im hurt and damaged big time.

          Ohh so you only took one cipro? But thats good, that you didnt take more off it. I took flagyl 400 mg, 3 times a day. I took it for 6 days. The last day, i refused to take more.

          Did you also have head pressure and so on?

          Yes, the doctors are so ignorant over here in Europe.

          I tried to take curcumin but had to stop because off my stomach.
          Maybe you are right Magde, that my liver can not take all the supplements. I had high liver tests after flagyl. But they did come down after 6 months. But its like i cant take them. I think its also because off my stomach. I eat probiotics and fermented foods, but my stomach is still really bad. Im thinking off FMT.

          I also take D vitamin. Because i had low D vitamin, even before this.

          I guess i have been effected badly from antibiotics before. Never this severe though. But i have had issues, that can not be explained. And i have taken alot off antibiotics before. So i guess i have been hurt before, but i could live a life. But now… i have been hit so hard. Im afraid that i will never get better this time.

    • Ned December 8, 2016 at 12:16 pm Reply

      Hi all! I’m almost 18 months out and feeling a lot better. I awoke to feeling like I was in hell for about a half hour and it then subsided, The horrendous anxiety and panic attacks are gone…at least for now and I’m sleeping better. The suicidal ideation was just horrible…for months and months. I really did not think I was going to get to this point…EVER! So, for those of you who are still suffering, please hang in there. I’m 68 and I believe if I can get through, so will you. I will probably be taking magnesium daily for a long time. I’m off coffee and exercising. It is about time, it does heal all. Please be patient and know your body can heal. Best, Ned

    • cindy Jones December 9, 2016 at 11:27 am Reply

      Ann
      Please don’t give up. Here is a link to pain free diets.

      https://www.painfreelivinglife.com/pain-conditions/

      • Ann December 9, 2016 at 12:01 pm Reply

        Thanks cindy
        I Will look at The link you sent to me. Im eating very healthy, but maybe i can do more changes
        Im trying not to give up and find hope. Its so Hard to try to even exist right now.

        • Madge hirsch December 9, 2016 at 5:54 pm

          I no longer take the Bisoprolol. My own cardiologist ( not the hospital one) gave me a Holter monitor test and said I could come off them about a year ago. I still get a peculiar vibration in my chest sometimes though it’s not really like the palpitations I had before. The vejns in my right arm look much bigger than before but the left arm is normal.
          I took one pill of Cipro in August last year but in 2014 I had an iv combo of Cipro and Flagyl in the hospital for diverticulitis. My full story is in the comments under Bronwen’s recovery story. I read an article recently (can’t remember where) about how some people cannot tolerate fermented foods and they make their digestive problems worse. If your liver is not functioning well then the vitamin d will not be utilised properly as the first process is done there. My doctor gave me drops that are a vitamin d metabolite that is what is produced by the liver. It works much better. If you have been floxed before then it is possible that this time your reaction to the Flagyl will take longer to resolve. I have read stories of people who have taken many years to get better.
          It is true that here in Europe there is even less awareness of this problem than in America. My GP is open minded by comparison to a lot of doctors and I am hoping to gradually educate him by taking him scientific research about the damage to mitochondria that FQS produce. He does acknowledge that I have had a reaction to Cipro and should never take it again. The one French language forum for floxies that I have found is not very active.

        • Bob December 9, 2016 at 8:13 pm

          What is the big d supplement called?

    • cindy Jones December 10, 2016 at 5:13 am Reply

      Ann I am going to buy this circulation booster it is worth a try. I am not advertising but here I its name REVITASE.
      Argos sell them

      • Ann December 10, 2016 at 7:24 am Reply

        Cindy
        Off course its worth a try. Im also looking into things that can do The blood circulation better. I have so much pain and The circulation dont work. I Will see what The boster is, tell me if you have any relif from that cindy.

  31. Vee December 7, 2016 at 10:28 pm Reply

    Joanne, how much mag do you take per day and tell us about your olive leaf experience.How much do you take and when?

    • joanneg December 8, 2016 at 1:02 am Reply

      Hi Vee,

      First, I would like to say throughout this whole ordeal I was afraid of all meds and even supplements, so at 9 months out when I found out I was floxed, I would just take 300-400 mgs(spread throughout the day) and I just continued to get worse. Then around 18-22 months out I upped it to 600-700mgs and added probiotics and colostrum, that’s when I started to see relief quite quickly. But during this last flare up, I had to take between 700-1000mgs to get relief.

      As for the Olive leaf extract, whenever I get any sickness or infection I take 500mgs (25% oleuropine) every 4 hrs till I’m better and continue that for another 3 days just to make sure i’m better, and so far it’s worked for shingles, 2 or 3 stomach infections and something that felt like a urinary tract infection, but I’m not sure because i wasn’t tested. It has worked so good for me that I will never take an antibiotic again until I first try to kill it with olive leaf extract.

  32. Lenny December 8, 2016 at 4:31 am Reply

    Hi there, I have a few questions.

    My orthopaedist found out that my left achilles tendon suffers from athropy. Within six weeks it shrinked by a third of its origninally size. The four month before there was no size reduction.

    Has anybody an idea how to stop this process? During this six weeks I took less iron and no glutathion. Could that be the reason? Or is it just the usual”way of floxing”? I have to mention that I touched one Cipro pill to give it to a naturepath doctor (very stupid, I know…) during this time. Could only touching be a trigger for those big issues?

    I´m inscreasing my collagen and protein income and take the mentioned supplements again. Any further ideas?

    I´m very scared that it is going to snatch.

    Thank you all!

    • Mark S December 8, 2016 at 10:16 am Reply

      Same thing happened to me on my left side. My physical therapist said the tendon was noticeably smaller than the right. Wish I could give you more advice but there’s not really a solid answer I’ve found. Don’t run and be careful with it for a while. Take MSM, zinc, vitamin C, manganese, etc. I’m on month 17 and mine has gotten better. Not perfect but I feel like it has gotten some strength and size back to it. Not nearly as conscious of it as I used to be.

      • L December 8, 2016 at 10:20 am Reply

        You might want to look into prolozone therapy. It is an injection of procaine and ozone. I had it done to my knee for torn meniscus….

        • Ryan L December 9, 2016 at 12:32 pm

          L, if you don’t mind me asking, what was your experience with the prolozone? In particular, how did you respond to the procaine part of it?

      • cindy Jones December 9, 2016 at 5:06 pm Reply

        Have you googled plantar faciitis? There are some gentle exercises on U tube for this condition which is very similar to tendonitis due to being floxed.

    • cindy Jones December 10, 2016 at 5:15 am Reply

      Lenny Can only suggest strengthening exercises or your Achilles tendon. Also good healthy diet, Vit C and D, magnesium, magnesium oil to apply topically as well as bathing in magnesium .

  33. Amy December 9, 2016 at 8:34 am Reply

    I believe I was given so much unnecessary Levaquin even after my initial infection was gone. I am a year out from initial meds (took for 3 werks) and 8 months from the last 10 day round of it. Having low platelets recently (along with not feeling good) and yesterday low wbc- I’m so scared it’s damaged my bone marrow & I have leukemia or something like that. Can anyone tell me anything about this kind of damage? I don’t know if it’s reversible or if it needs time or if I should start panicking. I literally have no one else to talk to about it as I wait for doc to answer…please help anyone?

    • Stephanie December 9, 2016 at 8:58 am Reply

      I got a huge amount of flqs over two months plus flagyl. I have had a high WBC that’s well over the max for almost two years from it. I also have a record for two yrs of having the highest marker for internal swelling that any dr I have seen has ever seen in any patient. Don’t freak out in the beginning before I went to a neurological naturopath they said cancer cancer cancer. They also were going to take out one of my lymph nods thankfully the surgeon refused. My suggestion is to get yourself to a neurological naturopath and have them start you on IVs. Don’t freak out that you have cancer I don’t have it and spent a lot of money on blood tests that confirmed no cancer. So don’t freak out just get to a naturopath btw I read notes from the dr who charged me for all the stupid cancer tests and he said in his notes NOT TO ME EVER that it was most likely the flqs. So don’t worry just go to a neurological naturopath.

      • Amy December 9, 2016 at 4:38 pm Reply

        Stephanie,

        Did your doc ever want you to get a bone marrow biopsy? Mine suggested it, but I haven’t. These flares are awful, my blood counts are low while I’m having them. Nothing helps. I feel so insanely weak, I feel like someone is literally sucking the air & energy right out of my body with a vacuum and I can’t even stand up. It’s the scariest feeling

        • Stephanie December 9, 2016 at 4:52 pm

          Yes and they wanted to do a spinal tap. I felt and still feel the same way. Like it feels like your energy is in a bowl and someone is pulling the plug and you can feel your energy being drained out of you. Again I am severely floxed plus I have the flagyl so the road to recovery for me is a long one but please don’t feel like it is that way for you. My suggestion is to go to a neurological naturopath who is familiar with floxies and get a second opinion from him as to if you should get the bone marrow sample done. I think they can give you the best honest answer. For me allowing western Drs to do tests on me has become a discussion with my naturopath first then I decide if I want to go through with it. My ND is always honest and great about it all. I think you need that someone who is in your corner who gets that western Drs (I feel) like to just run crazy tests because they don’t want to say you were poisoned. Those words your have adverse side effects mean a lot and they won’t just put them out there. I can only tell you about what I have done. Ultimately, you need to ask yourself what feels really got to you!!!! Remember that because you have a voice and you have every right to question tests you have every right to get a second or even a third opinion. Any dr or nd or any person in general who gets offended by your questions is not someone you should trust to treat you.

  34. Lenny December 9, 2016 at 10:12 am Reply

    Thank you Mark and L for your very good advices. I never heard about prolozone before but I´ll have a look.

    @ Mark what where your other symptoms? I have big tendon and joint issues, besides my eye problems and weight loss. Which amout of the mentioned supplements did you take ?

    • cindy Jones December 9, 2016 at 11:35 am Reply
    • Ryan L December 9, 2016 at 12:31 pm Reply

      Lenny, you need to be careful with this kind of treatment. The prolozone injection itself contains many natural ingredients, but they also give you a numbing injection at the same site beforehand that could be very problematic to a floxie. If you decide to try it, less is probably more the first time out.

    • Mark S December 9, 2016 at 12:32 pm Reply

      Lenny,

      Main problems were left achilles tendon pain and weakness, cracking/popping knees, irregular heartbeat, GI problems, weight loss, anxiety, tinnitus etc. All the common ones.

      Many of these have either gone away or greatly resolved. Knees are still crunchy, and achilles isn’t 100% still. GI system is getting better with probiotics and super green smoothies. Supplements are great but really in the end it is going to be time that heals you.

  35. Lenny December 9, 2016 at 2:26 pm Reply

    Hi Ryan, thanks for you warning. Its really anaesthetic! I do not understand why its used together with the ozon. Do you, L or Ryan, have an idea?

    • L December 9, 2016 at 3:21 pm Reply

      Actually, my ND said it is not used because it is an anesthetic, (If you are referring to the prolozone injections) but because it helps the ozone be more effective somehow. I too was worried, but I had it with no problems, and I had been severely floxed. One of those things where I just took a chance

      • Lenny December 9, 2016 at 3:32 pm Reply

        Hi L,

        i can understand you complety. At a certain level of floxing once need to take chances!
        Thank you for your quick answer.

  36. Lenny December 9, 2016 at 2:33 pm Reply

    Hey Mark,

    congrats to your partially recovery! Do you think that you will get rid of the knee issues? Every single joint in my body hurts and cracks and I´m scared that these adverse reaction, besides the tendon issues, won´t heal, but get worse and worse. No only in my body but in general in floxed bodies.

    Have anybody heard of Floxies which had severe tendon/and or joint issues that were completely cured?

  37. joanneg December 9, 2016 at 10:57 pm Reply

    Hi Ann,
    or anyone suffering from constant dizziness, shaking, and a lot of brain issues,

    I’ve been using the Omega Plus patch for the last 4 days and it’s helping so much with all my brain issues. I know it’s such a short time to know if it will continue to help, but it works so good I had to post for those who are in a desperate state and really need to try something to get some relief.

    So far I’ve tried the Anti Aging one, the Multivitamin Plus, and now the Omega Plus, and they all helped with my symptoms, but the Omega Plus helped the most. I just ordered the Vitamin D one because my D has been low throughout this. It has Vitamin D, Vitamin K and magnesium in it. Here is their site http://www.patchmd.com/ but I’ve been ordering mine from e-bay because they’re 15.00 instead of 20.00

    I like these patches for the price, ease, and convenience, but also when I had a reaction from the one with the high B vitamins in it, I just took it off, washed the spot and I started feeling better in a few minutes. But when you swallow a pill you can’t take it back which is scary if you’re having a bad reaction to it.

    Anyhow, if anyone tries them, let us know if they help.

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