Floxie Hope


This site is to give HOPE to those who are suffering from Fluoroquinolone Toxicity Syndrome as a result of being poisoned by fluoroquinolone antibiotics – Cipro, Levaquin, Avelox, Floxin, etc.  It contains stories of healing.

Cipro, Levaquin, Avelox and all other fluoroquinolones are dangerous drugs that can have devastating effects that cumulatively I’ll refer to as Fluoroquinolone Toxicity Syndrome or Floxing.  Fluoroquinolone Toxicity Syndrome/Floxing includes damage to connective tissue (tendons, ligaments, cartilage, fascia, etc.) throughout the body, damage to the nervous systems (central, peripheral and autonomic), and more. The damage done by fluoroquinolone antibiotics can destroy a person’s quality of life or even kill them. Certainly, there is a time and a place for drugs with dangerous side effects. If you find yourself in a septic shock induced coma, fluoroquinolones may save your life. Unfortunately, these drugs are not being reserved for life or death situations. People are being prescribed them for urinary tract infections, suspected prostate infections, upper respiratory infections, as a prophylactic for travelers’ diarrhea, ear infections, pink eye, etc. Thousands of people have suffered needlessly from the devastating effects of fluoroquinolone antibiotics, when another, safer antibiotic could have, and should have, been used.

The damage done by fluoroquinolones is largely unacknowledged by the medical establishment and an accurate diagnosis, compensation and relief are difficult to come by. There is no known cure for Fluoroquinolone Toxicity Syndrome/Floxing.  However, many people continue to LIVE after being poisoned by fluroquinolones.  They find healing, recovery, perseverance, compassion and hope.  These are their stories.

This site is meant to give hope for healing to those who are adversely effected by fluoroquinolones.  It is no way meant to disregard the pain of those who are chronically suffering from the horrifying effects of Cipro, Levaquin, Avelox or the other fluoroquinolones.  There are people who don’t recover.  Their stories are real and they matter.  There are also people who are able to recover and I share their stories with the hope that they inspire others, or at least give hope that recovery is possible.

Here is a New York Times article about the dangers of fluoroquinolone antibiotics – http://well.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/09/10/popular-antibiotics-may-carry-serious-side-effects/?_r=0 – more news stories, research papers and other resources can be found on the “Links and Resources” page.

Here is a Facebook group that is a great resource for those going through Fluoroquinolone Toxicity – https://www.facebook.com/groups/floxies/

Featured post – I’m floxed. Now what?

The Fluoroquinolone Toxicity Solution Ebook has helped many Floxies to recover, including DanielCindy and Ruth.  As a bonus, you will also receive The Floxie Food Guide – a book of diet guidelines to help you through fluoroquinolone toxicity:

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21,548 thoughts on “Floxie Hope

  1. joanneb4 April 26, 2019 at 5:53 pm Reply

    Does anyone else react badly to ultrasounds? I’ve had several for testing my bladder and also for my TMJ. I get really agitated and stimulated and my heart races and the skin feels like it is burning afterwards for a long time. Could I be allergic to the ultrasound gel? They keep telling me it’s a hypoallergenic water based gel. The ultrasound feels really good while it’s getting done. Is this Mast Cell disease?

    • L April 26, 2019 at 7:50 pm Reply

      Interesting. That’s about the only testing I feel comfortable with. I do recall early on when I had nightmarish olfactory nerve damage, the smell of the gel (like baby lotion) was so strong, I would cry through the whole thing. IT was so strong and piercing, it felt like it was ripping through my head. I recently had one though and fortunately that nerve damage went from Stephen King-ish to just sensitive to smells, so I was fine.

      I have suspected perhaps I have mast cell disorder causing my current congestion issues, but I don’t think that would cause you to react to a water-based gel like that. They do, I think, have some sort of fragrance, which is unfortunate, because synthetic fragrance is not good for you. But my gut reaction is that it is not mast cell if this is the only issue you are experiencing. (Although if you read the lengthy list of what could be presented as mast cell, it is near endless…everything from hives to interstitial cystitis to tinnitus all of which I had).

      I just did a little search and saw where other people had posted having an allergic reaction to the gel, so I suspect it may just be that.

    • Henk Noordhuizen April 27, 2019 at 2:27 am Reply

      Might this help understanding what’s the reason of your reactions?


      • hayley Mills May 13, 2019 at 4:54 am Reply

        To joanne its benzo wd and side effects. U can never have another benzo now as u are hypersenstive to even a tiny tiny dose. This will ease it just takes time , hang on in there. These f……. benzos must be banned. Drs have known of their dangers and side effects since 1960s.


    • Henk Noordhuizen April 27, 2019 at 2:30 am Reply

      Joanne,next time you need an ultrasound testing or treatment, a mineral oil as a contact agent might be the solution:


  2. Andrea May 2, 2019 at 5:55 pm Reply

    Hey guys, look a this stupid nurse and her suggestions…please thumb down the video and leave a comment.
    Of course I’ve already did it 😉

    • L May 2, 2019 at 6:58 pm Reply

      HORRIBLE!!!! So ignorant. I left a comment but didn’t see yours. Now I am going to write to drugwatch.

      • Deborah Harple May 2, 2019 at 9:56 pm Reply

        This nurse has no clue…what a laugh!

        • Andrea May 3, 2019 at 12:40 am

          Deborah, I suggest you to leave a comment under the video. We should let these idiots what they’re really doing to us, when spreading this ignorance

        • Deborah Harple May 3, 2019 at 2:10 am

          Sorry, thought I did.

      • Andrea May 2, 2019 at 11:07 pm Reply

        That’s weird L. It’s the sane for me, I left a comment, can’t see yours…

        • Henk Noordhuizen May 3, 2019 at 1:13 am

          At the moment there’s only one comment on youtube,from someone with the nickname “bruttosporcoecattivo”.Sounds Italian to me;might that be you,Andrea? Why those comments don’t show up? Many websites,maybe YT as well,have moderators who descide which comments are tolerated,and which ones aren’t.Another reason might be that YT/Google removes comments that attack the Farmaffia and their poisons but,regarding the many Farma-critic movies on YT,I think that that’s not the case.

          Ibuprofen belongs to the NSAID’s family of painkillers,as do Diclofenac,and Vioxx,which killed tens of thousands of people,in America alone.



          Of,what’s left of this “family” of painkillers,Diclofenac is probably the worst;research has shown it’s killing people by the thousands as well.Ibuprofen,too,raises the risk of heart attacks and kills people as well (Britisch research, a while ago).

          If possible,stick to Paracetamol use,or find out how you can treat pain in other,safer way’s;a search on the Dr.Mercola website might be a good start.And,while we hope to suppress pain a full 100% with those miracle painkillers,it might be a better option to suppress it partly with painkillers and other ways,and accept the pain that’s left;this works well for pain that’s not chronic.

        • Andrea May 3, 2019 at 9:12 am

          Henk, it’s probably due to the fact that we’re in Europe and L is from the USA. That’s probably why you can see my comment, but she can’t and viceveresa. Anyway, it’s still very weird…

        • Henk Noordhuizen May 3, 2019 at 9:38 am

          It is weird because I think that,usually,all comments appear online,right after you push the submit button,no matter where you live.So,the comment,with the italian sounding alter ego is yours? Is it because there is a difference between the european and the american freedom of speech? Wouldn’t suprise me because there are quite a few signs the american society is on the verge of collapsing. But the EU isn’t far behind;here,too,there are rumours of mandated vaccins etc.And several schools and childrens’s daycare centra started refusing children that are not fully vaccinated.Creepy,very creepy! Watch the “The WWI Conspiracy” series on ColberttReport for more insight;he’s a very clever guy!!

        • L May 3, 2019 at 10:12 am

          It shouldn’t make a difference what country you are in to see the comment. I have a feeling we are all talking about something different perhaps. Where I left my comment was right below the video of her when I read your post, on floxie hope. Are you talking about leaving a comment on another website? Also, drugwatch is on facebook. I sent them a message saying it was tantamount to medical malpractice.

          so, was there another site where you initially saw this video, where you left the comment?

        • L May 3, 2019 at 9:51 am

          I left mine right under the video.

        • Andrea May 3, 2019 at 3:35 pm

          L I left a comment under the video in the youtube comment section…the more people will comment it the better

        • L May 3, 2019 at 5:31 pm

          oh, so not under the floxie hope site posting of it? I will try to find online then.

    • Attsy May 6, 2019 at 11:13 am Reply

      seems like a typical advice coming from my doctors…….but well they don’t believe in fq toxicity

    • Attsy May 6, 2019 at 11:31 am Reply

      I left my comment under the comment section too.

  3. L May 2, 2019 at 6:57 pm Reply

    OMG. The WoRST advice!!! Ibuprofin???? Yeah, if you want to make your side effects worse and cause relapses. What the hell? And go back to your doctor, who Poisoned you to begin with and get MORE pharmaceuticals??? This is medical malpractice right here.

  4. Henk Noordhuizen May 3, 2019 at 1:54 am Reply

    Some history on the way our medical system and our society was shaped by a few,unscrupulous men:


    And,while you’re there,at the CorbettReport website,you might also want to watch the the trilogy “The WWI Conspiracy”.

  5. Henk Noordhuizen May 3, 2019 at 1:58 am Reply

    Dr. Peter Gøtzsche on the organised crime of the Farmaffia, a very revealing talk:

  6. Henk Noordhuizen May 3, 2019 at 2:18 am Reply

    Here an very good documentary about how the “science-based” medical mafia came into excistence,an absolute MUST SEE:

  7. Tricia May 4, 2019 at 11:47 am Reply

    Does anyone know if contrast dye from MRI (gandolonium) can cause a reaction ?? I recently had an MRI a couple weeks ago, they injected contrast dye and 24 hours later I had the onset of all my returning and worsening flox symptoms! 😦

    • Henk Noordhuizen May 4, 2019 at 12:44 pm Reply

      Hi Tricia,a few people have reported that they had negative reactions on this dye,here,on FloxieHope. Most of the time it was a relapse of the FQ adverse reactions they had before.They will probably fade away in the next few days.

    • L May 4, 2019 at 2:58 pm Reply

      Yeah, like Henk, I recall people having issues. I would avoid it if you can. It basically just makes it easier for the tests to be read, but usually you can do without it. However, if you do use it, you might take NAC. (I take it all the time; it is a precursor to glutathione and has many benefits.) https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/02/080218172300.htm

    • joanneb4 May 4, 2019 at 4:51 pm Reply

      Could it also be a reaction to the preservatives in the dye? I had a bad reaction to CT Iodine contrast.

  8. joanneb4 May 4, 2019 at 5:05 pm Reply

    Please help. I was in ER and they gave me an injection of Ativan and had bad reaction. I had been off benzos 10 weeks I knew I shouldn’t have taken it. It gave me anxiety and it also had polyethylene glycol and propylene glycol. It probably resensitized my nervous system and now I have bad nerve and skin and tissue damage from all that. A few days before I had an ultrasound treatment on my jaw and cheeks for TMJ and had a bad reaction to the gel and the head wrap they gave me that goes around my head with warm or ice packs and was neoprene and had a bad reaction to that. It feels like nerve damage and I can’t sweat there anymore and keep overheating there and getting red it’s embarrassing. I can’t feel or hear the same now. Yesterday I was spraying Evian and Avene thermal spring water on face to cool down. But I had a massive migraine too and functional medicine doctor told me to take magnesium. I had magnesium glycinate capsules from him 120 mg filled with microcrystalline cellulose powder and within 10 minutes felt super dehydrated. Then my skin and mouth started to burn and look raw and red and it looks like my skin is super thin and is bruising so easily. I’m constipated and bloated and retaining urine. It has sensitized my whole skin and body even my digestive system. It is SO dry. My heart beat is irregular and super fast, I’m short of breath and can’t sleep I’m so hot and flush. My muscles keep twitching. I can’t taste much either. What is this? Is it withdrawl now? Is it metabolic acidosis? Kidney damage? Too high magnesium? I feel like I’m burning from inside out.

  9. joanneb4 May 4, 2019 at 6:24 pm Reply

    Help! I used a 3% salicylic acid bar soap dermatologist recommended. It also had sulfur and ethanol. It has thinned my skin so much and it feels so dehydrated and burned. I feel like that inside too. I’m bruised all over. My heart keeps racing and I’m short of breath. What can I do? I can barely eat or chew. I got a super bad migraine and took magnesium glycinate and sprayed Avene thermal water on it and that made me worse. A couple days before in ER I had an Ativan injection and it and polyethylene glycol and propylene glycol Which think already had sensitized my skin and insides. I’m burning from inside out. I have no moisture or saliva and can’t sweat. Please help. What can I do?

    • Henk Noordhuizen May 5, 2019 at 3:16 am Reply

      Well,first of all,you have to calm down and relax. Your excitation is your worst enemy,at the moment,and making things much worse than it could be.When I read your posts I get the feeling that you could (and would) spit that whole first post out to someone,listening,in just about 3 seconds! Do yourself a favor and CALM DOWN.

      Why I advice you to start there? It will lower your heart rate,deepen your breath,and your body will stop using more magnesium than you can absorb,Don’t freak out;it won’t help! Most of this reaction is,probably,from withdrawl after using benzo’s and the Ativan injection.Maybe the best advice,here,is,to buy CBD-oil;this works relaxing and even anti-psychotic.

      With the complex concotion of substances you used it’s hard to figure out what caused all those reactions;some,like the soap,are probably quite innocent (but you better look around for a pure cocos soap,or make it,yourself,like I do).The polyethylene glycol is the reason of your dry skin;it is a hydrophilic substance.Try rubbing your skin,softly,with cocos oil,Lanolin or something else to help your skin restore itself.

      Nothing wrong with Magnesium Glycinate.but you need enough water to absorb it. Best,to use it (and your vitamines,if you take those in pill/caps form) during,or directly after a HEALTHY meal. To make eating easier, you can make nice and tasty soups, A tablet of bio bouillon,lots of different vegetables,butter and/or olive oil,salt,pepper,curcuma (if you like;it’s extremely healthy!),etc. Use your imagination!Add some rice,or pieces of potato,to make a burgoo You might not want to believe me but this might be the very best medicine for your body and mind. Give it a try!

      To make soups the easy way;in most supermarkets you can buy frozen vegetable mixes for soups,stir-fry etc. I use those frequently to make me a nice soup.There are combinations like “Asian”,”Italian”,lots of choice.

      I hope this will help you.Good luck!

      One question:you didn’t mention you used Fluoroquinolones.Did you? Or did you find Floxiehope by accident? I’m only curious,that’s all ;-))

    • Attsy May 6, 2019 at 11:42 am Reply

      Hi Joanne,
      I second Henk’s advice about CBD oil and diet. Since I was floxed I am extremely sensitive to most of the drugs and also food supplements, vitamins etc. But CBD is very safe! It helps me to get some sleep. I do recommend you to rest and relax a lot. Maybe take a warm bath which can help muscles to relax and make the pain less intense. Maybe I would avoid magnesium for now and wait for the symptoms to subside a bit and then try it again. You need to drink a lot of water too/or herbal tea.
      It will get better.

    • Attsy May 6, 2019 at 11:46 am Reply

      or if you can’t take wamr bath due to the skin burning I would keep myself warm with blanket, for some reason this helps me a lot

    • Henk Noordhuizen May 6, 2019 at 2:36 pm Reply

      I’d like to add a good quality vit. B complex to my advise. This might give you hot flushes,in the beginning,because of the vit. B6,but this is a reaction,caused by a vit. B6 DEFICIENCY.You might lower the dose for a while;the hot flushes will disappear after a while,when the deficiency gets lower. The B-Complex is extremely important for mental well-being! As is Magnesium. Magnesium d-threonate is best brain-absorbed form,the only form which passes the blood/brain barrier with ease.

  10. Henk Noordhuizen May 9, 2019 at 2:43 am Reply
    • L May 9, 2019 at 9:19 am Reply

      I get his daily emails too. I hate how he has been vilified by the mainstream. Sometimes when I use him as a source, even health conscious friends I know will post something like “he’s not a reliable source,” or make some snide comment. Good info every day.

      • Henk Noordhuizen May 9, 2019 at 10:16 am Reply

        I follow him for over 15 years,now,and thanks to him I found out about lots of things I wouldn’t have known about without him.But sometimes he isn’t aware of things. Two days ago he wrote an article: “Vaccinated Flight Attendant in Coma. He wrote:”.While the media advised that the best way to stay “safe” is to get vaccinated, it’s only mentioned in passing that the flight attendant had been vaccinated.

        While he goes on to write”In the midst of rising hysteria over measles outbreaks in the U.S., media outlets have featured a story about a 43-year-old flight attendant who’s been in a coma for days due to encephalitis, or inflammation of the brain, which is a rare complication of both measles and the measles-mumps-rubella vaccine” he seems not to be aware of this excelent reading of Andrew Wakefield (who’s findings are,by now,confirmed by quite a few other scientists and their research!):

        This reading of Wakefield shows how the “scientific” based medical world and the media destroy people like him by using every disgusting tactic,available ro ruin their opponents. And yes;Andrew Wakefield was 100% right in what he found,and no;he didn.t commit fraud! Just another proof how lies rule our world,today!

        • Andrea May 9, 2019 at 4:31 pm

          Just to understand your point of view, Henk, are you against vaccines of any kind?

        • Henk Noordhuizen May 10, 2019 at 3:07 am

          Hi Andrea,there’s so much proof that vaccines don’t work like they should,some of them don’t work at all.And there’s mounting evidence that they ruin the immune system.Have you seen the Wakefield reading which I linked? Have you read about the “forbidden” research? Where two groups of children were compared,one group fully vaccinated,the other unvaccinated?

          After the first research,comparing Amish children to fully vaccinated children,it became clear that,where sickness among Amish (unvaccinated) children was very rare,the fully vaccine-“protected” children are sick all the time,many,if not most of them using one or more medicines on a daily base.The medical society reacted shocked (well;everybody did),and the Farmafia was quick to order a stop on these kind of researches..Nevertheless,a second research was done,with the same setup,and the outcome was excactly the same.

          Illnesses like polio had almost vannished when the vaccination started. After an initial,smal rise (!) immediatly after the vaccination,the rate dropped to zero,as it would have done without the vaccine,anyway.But the governments and the Farmafia were claiming the victory,and still are,all on the use of vaccines.That is FRAUD!

          The flight attendant in coma (Mercola article) was a reason for the media to promote vaccination but they almost “forgot” to mention the fact that this attendant WAS vaccinated,and of course there was no mentioning at all about the probability that not the measles but the MMR vaccin was the cause of the attendant being in a coma (watch the Wakefield reading for a scientific explanation on this).

          Never before,in history,where the people sóóó sick,and medicated as today,in our modern society,with all their vaccines,and “the best medical care men can get”.When I was young(er ;-)) children with cancer were extremely rare,and we were told that cancer is an illness,almost exclusively found among the elder people.Almost,as if it was a symptom of being old.Today,people of all ages,young and old,die of cancer in numbers,never seen before.

          Causes? Well,let’s consider the fact that we are all daused in chemicals 24/7,we eat them,we use them as a medicine,and most of those artificial (not natural) substances are never tested for safety. “Medicines are”,you might say,but most of them are NOT tested by independant researchers.And time after time the contrary appears to be true:THEY ARE NOT SAFE,and way too often they even don’t work so well.

          In my opinion everybody has the right to put anything he wants in his body (be it vaccines,drugs,whatever) as long as the don’t endanger other people,and to refuse putting things they don’t want in their body as well;you’ll find tyhis in every constitution and it’s a basic right for everybody.So,when somebody wants to get vaccinated,let him/her,but keep them away from me because it’s getting clearer by the day that those who are recently vaccinated with an attenuated (weakened) virus are spreading this virus and infecting others.Virusses also have mechanisms to repair themselfs,as is so easily forgotten.Some scientists even warn that these vaccines can push nature to created even more dangerous virusses.

          I got the (few) vaccins that were in use when I was young,but the amount of vaccins,pumped in children who don’t have a(fully) develloped immune system is total madness.Don’t you agree?

        • L May 10, 2019 at 10:32 am

          Unfortunately Wakefield has been widely discredited, fair or not, so I try to never use his name regarding this issue. But there is still a great deal of information out there, like the fact that over $4 billion has been paid out to compensate victims from vaccine injury. If you do a search of the National Institutes of Health and vaccine injury, you will find many. (I have a long list but since I can only include one link here, I won’t post.) While there is zero proof that of herd immunity from vaccinations, there IS proof that immunity comes from those who naturally fight the measles. Poland & Jacobson (1994) reports on 18 different measles outbreaks throughout North America, occurring in school populations with very-high vaccination coverage for measles (71% to 99.8%). In these outbreaks, vaccinated children constituted 30% to 100% of measles cases.” (Kelly Brogan, MD.) I am going to copy and paste here a letter from a physician who formerly used to vaccinate routinely. “I am writing to you out of my concern for the health of our country’s children.
          I am a self-employed M.D. in private family practice for over 50 years. During these years I have carefully safeguarded my independence to be sure that only the experience gained from working directly with patients would influence my thinking, and not institutional or remunerative priorities.
          Like all physicians, I was unquestioningly pro-vaccine when I began practicing, and I administered vaccines. My patient population was by and large well-educated and health-conscious.
          I was surprised when I began to hear reports of adverse effects of vaccinations. As I had set up my practice to have no competing interests to the over-riding priority of directly serving the health of my patients, I began to impartially follow up and investigate claims of adverse effects of vaccines in the medical research literature. My private research of vaccine science began in 1973 and it is ongoing today. I have also served as an expert witness on vaccines in court proceedings where divorced parents disagreed on whether their children should be vaccinated.
          The growth of today’s “anti-vaccine movement” would not exist if vaccines were as safe and effective as we repeatedly hear. This movement has no funding source, no sponsors and no base outside of determined, answer-seeking parents of children who were normal until receiving a particular vaccination.
          In 1986, the U.S. congress passed into law the National Childhood Vaccine Injury Act authorizing two federal programs, the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS) and the Vaccine Injury Compensation Program (VICP). Since these 2 programs are seldom mentioned in the media, most parents and even many physicians are unaware that they exist. VAERS is a voluntary system. Physicians are not required to report adverse events following vaccinations, not even deaths. The U.S. government estimates that the majority of vaccine adverse events are unreported.
          Nevertheless, a study of the VAERS database, covering the ten-year period beginning January 1, 2004 shows that 96 deaths following the administration of the MMR (measles, mumps, rubella) vaccine were reported in the U.S. During that same 10 year period, ending Dec 31, 2013, there were 7 deaths in the U.S. reported from measles. From the end of 2013 to the present time, there has been only one reported death from measles in the U.S., occuring in 2015.
          The Federal Vaccine Injury Compensation Program (VICP) functions as an adversarial legal process which denies two out of every three claims of vaccine injury. Nevertheless VICP has awarded over 4 billion dollars since 1988 to families of children whose deaths or injuries (including autism) were adjudicated to be directly vaccine-related.
          A basic human right enshrined by the U.N. and the constitution of Canada and many other countries is the right of informed consent to any medical procedure.
          As happened a few years ago after the cluster of measles cases in Disneyland, today there is again a co-ordinated national PR campaign to eliminate the right of informed consent and to make all vaccines mandatory.
          A sober assessment of the facts reveals that the very small percentage of unvaccinated children in the U.S. are no threat at all to the public health.
          The so-called anti-vaccine movement is composed not only of parents but of an increasing number of practicing physicians who, like me, have first-hand experience of children’s vaccine injuries and who are unattached and able and willing to report the truth as they see it.
          Finally, since the year 2000 there have been five medical research studies published in the U.S. medical research literature (but ignored by our mainstream media) which have documented that, when groups of vaccinated and unvaccinated childred are compared, the unvaccinated children have much less chronic illness and far fewer neurodevelopmental disorders like autism than vaccinated children.
          The above facts, and many more, can be corroborated by perusing the medical research literature, or by consulting the recent factual book by J.B. Handley, a Stanford-educated equity-firm manager and father of a vaccine-injured son, How to End the Autism Epidemic.
          In your participation in present and future legislative deliberations on questions of informed consent to vaccinations, and on questions of vaccine exemptions and mandates, I beg you to consider, and to have a staff member follow up on, the above very small sampling of readily available facts which call into serious question the fervent pro-vaccine stance of today’s media and medical institutions.
          Sincerely yours,”

          Philip Incao, M.D.

        • Henk Noordhuizen May 10, 2019 at 11:05 am

          Thank you for this info,L. So many Dr’s and MD’s have spoken and written about the failing,and the misery caused by vaccin’s,and untill now the lies about the “successes” and the “safety” are told over and over again. They got a good reason; every vaccinated child becomes a customer for life,because of their heavily damaged immune systems. All,modern medicine seems to offer is poisons,frauds and lies.

          Many are turning their back to these chemical poisons and return to real medicines. Bayer has noticed this,and they are now trying to take over the natural medicines.In their commercials they present natural medicines like Iberogast and Iberolax,and they bought the exclusive rights for selling GW Pharmaceuticals’s Cannabis tinctures in the EU and Asia. In the USA,CBD was legaly sold untill “a farmaceutical company” showed interest in dowing so. Now it’s prohibited and you can only buy CBD legaly when a doctor prescribes you…..CBD oil,produced by GW Pharmaceuticals.

        • Virginia May 10, 2019 at 7:39 pm

          Lisa, as the moderator would you please moderate comments that are extremely anti – vaccine? Or maybe ban vaccine discussion altogether? I am on this site for my Cipro damage, not to read misinformation about vaccines. I am disturbed at recent comments that seem dangerously extremist against vaccines. Vaccines are a great modern medicine success story. Measles and other dangerous, highly infectious diseases were eradicated in this country until recently when those who refuse to vaccinate began spreading it again. Measles can cause encephalitis and death, and countless children died of this and other dangerous infectious diseases until modem vaccines.

        • L May 10, 2019 at 8:57 pm

          Virginia, wanting to inform people of health dangers is neither extreme nor dangerous. Quite the contrary. ONE person has died from measles in the US since 2013. A number have died and thousands have been injured from vaccines. You can check the government’s own website to see that over 4 billion has been paid out for vaccine injuries. I am sorry you are offended by the truth. Just as the FDA and Bayer and Johnson/Johnson have hid the truth about fluoroquinolones for decades, so have they hidden the truth about the danger of vaccines. If you want to compromise your immune system, be my guest. Get vaccinated. But you should not deprive others of valuable information. And this DOES tie in to fluoroquinolones, because those of us who have been floxed all already compromised. None of us needs toxic adjuvants like aluminum, thimerosal, GMOs, etc. The ONLY way to make informed decisions is to have ALL the information. https://childrenshealthdefense.org/news/4-billion-and-growing-u-s-payouts-for-vaccine-injuries-and-deaths-keep-climbing/

        • L May 10, 2019 at 9:47 pm

          Just one more thing. I was reading a post the other day on FB from an anguished mother whose baby had died after a vaccination. How is her trauma or her warning others any less valid than you or I warning people about fluoroquinolones? (In fact, I have people get angry at me saying “they save lives! how dare you?” because they are just so completely ignorant of the devastation. I wouldn’t wish what happened to me on my worst enemy, it was so terrifying. And btw, just an aside…Japan has actually banned the MMR vaccine. They will give the shot separately if people want them, but there were just too many side effects for them to ignore.) This info is easy to find online. https://thevaccinereaction.org/2019/02/a-baby-died-after-vaccination/

      • Madge Hirsch May 11, 2019 at 7:47 am Reply

        Wakefield ‘s research partner has recently been fully vindicated in a court case in the UK in which the judge severely criticised the GMC who struck him and Wakefield off. Dr John Walker Smith won his appeal against being struck off and the judge quashed a GMC finding if professional misconduct.

        • L May 11, 2019 at 9:53 am

          Thanks, Madge. Good to know. I always suspected much of it was a set up. Still I avoid the name because it is like a feeding frenzy for those who want to attack.

        • Henk Noordhuizen May 13, 2019 at 3:30 am

          Madge,that is great news,but the “Fraud” stamp will stick on him,and on Wakefield,for the rest of their lives.How many people know about this vindication? How many newspapers wrote about it?Did they show this news on television? Although I pay a lot of attention on this kind of news articles,I didn’t hear about this untill you told us.Do you have a link to the source of this news? And thank you for telling us;every bit of truth winning over lies is welcome!

        • Henk Noordhuizen May 13, 2019 at 3:40 am

          Well,I found it; here is one of the sources (quite handy when you know what to look for;I wouldn’t have found it without you,putting my attention on it.Thanks!):


        • L May 13, 2019 at 9:45 am

          Another source would be better if you can find it. https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/the-millennium-report/

        • Henk Noordhuizen May 13, 2019 at 1:27 pm

          You’re right;Millenium Report isn’t the most reliable source in the world but they only reported on the vindication of Dr John Walker Smith. Other sources I found wrote the same thing,so,this time MR is to be trusted.

        • L May 13, 2019 at 9:47 am
  11. Andrea May 10, 2019 at 3:19 pm Reply

    Ok Henk, let me ask you another question, have you always had this opinion about medicine, or is it something that you developed after being poisoned by the FQ? Please be honest

    • Henk Noordhuizen May 11, 2019 at 3:14 am Reply

      Andrea,my bad experiences with “safe” medicines started years before being floxed;I had a lot of confidence before I had my hard wake up(s).It started when I realized that Losec,a medicine,pushed on me by my doc,was the reason that I started feeling tired 24/7,even being totaly exhausted every day at wake,a few years later,getting a terrible backpain right after getting out of bed,every day,and having terrible nightmares almost evrey night,sometimes more than one a night,at last I was scared to go to bed and fall asleep,because of all these nightmares.

      Then noises,started to annoy me in a strange way,and this went from bad to worse.I couldn’t listen to my most favorite music for more that 10 minute while,before,I listened to music whenever possible and was very glad with the introduction of MP3-players (although MP3 sounds bad; I prefer Flac and Ape :-)) And then,in 2004,I got an AB course with Metrodazole and Amoxicilline,which not only made me sick as hell but for over 3 years,but depleted my body of what was left of my magnesium.That’s when the heart arrythmia’s started,and those got worse and worse.

      At that time my favorite brother was diagnosed with leukaemia.He was tired and when he was ill,the recovery took much longer than usual,for about 1 1/2 year without worsening,but right after the diagnose they pushed him to go in hospital for “the treatment” THE SAME DAY” He had to argue with the “docs” to get permission to stay home for that weekend,with his wife and kid (boy,8 years old),to,at least,have a little time to say goodbye (they warned him for the dangers of “the treatment”). I was suprised: he had this illness for over 1 1/2 year,without any change,so,what’s the hurry??

      Later on I discovered that they use this tactic all the time,preventing CUSTOMERS from having a second opinion or searching for an alternative treatment.They managed to scare the hell out of him,so,he didn’t give this strange development in a second thought and even permitted the docs for an experiment: a much higher than usual dose of chemo (despite the extreme danger),to try if this might work (he had,so they told him,the extreme deadly and hard to cure Acute Myeloid Leukaemia,with a 15% survival rate after the normal treatment).He went through hell,in the next couple of weeks,and never recovered from the poisoning.Then came the radiation and he got my stemcells and t-cells.After a year the AML was back,and another medical mistake (which they admitted) he died.

      In the meantime I (re-)discovered the Bob Beck Protocol and after making the devices I used the Magnetic Pulser on my belly for 2 weeks,and,after 3 years of hearing my doc say “This has to get right of it’s own,in a natural way”,the diarrea,and the hyper/hypoglycemea were gone.I could eat usable amounts of (raw!) carbs again,but only in small amounts. When,after being floxed,these carb problems were back I waited for 1 month to see if things would turn back to “normal” (according to what my former doc said),but they didn’t.Well,I used my Magnetic Puilser once again (now I had the Sota MP),and once again it worked.

      During these years my other problems (tiredness,sleeping problems,nightmares,almost every night and a lot more,related to a severe magnesium defficiency,as I started to understand) got worse and worse,and in nov.2013 I was hurried to the hospital,twice in two weeks time,with severe heart arrythmia’s (I was got to the lighter ones,during the past 7-8 years).After the second time I stopped using Losec,and since then (until Cipro),I didn’t have heart arrythmia’s again.But “to be safe” I kept on using the Flecainide Acetate that was prescribed to me,the first time I was in the hospital.

      By the way,I had an argument with the heart specialist,the second time I was in the hospital,and he strongly objected to my idea of Losec/Omeprazole being the cause.The way het tried to convince me of the safety of Losec? An argument that really made me speachless: “Do you know how many people use Losec?” Well,this should be proof enough.Two month later the message that PPI’s like Losec could cause severe magnesium defficiency was in all newspapers,and even on televison some progs payed attention to this discovery.In fact,this “adverse reaction” to PPI’s was known since 2004,and I read about it in 2006,seven years before that specialist read it in the newspapers.

      The Flecainide Acetate caused very hard stools,in spite of the fact that there’s lots of fibers in my meals,and caused a double intestinal bleeding.I had a bladder infection at the same time,from a kidney stone which got stuck halfway from my bladder to the toillet pot.Had a fever and severe pain,and my doc “helped” me with a Cipro prescription,telling me that she actually shouldn’t because she just got a message that Cipro and Flecainide should not be given together.

      After the Cipro,once agian,I had to Help myself;my doc (the one that Cipro-poisoned me) was angy after I stopped “her” Macrogol to replace it with Psyllium fibers (“Are you “playing” (little!) doctor,again?”).The MPulser helped me with the severe carb sensitivity,once again,using the best Magnesium subs I can find and pay helped a lot,alhought I did use Magn.Citrate since around 2010,and still had to discover that PPI’s prohibit the magnesium-uptake of the cells.

      After the heart polptations (started within hours after the first Cipro pill) were almost gone (which took about a year),I got severe double vision prpblems;those are almost gone as well,since I use my MPulser on my eyes,every evening.I sometimes use my Brain Tuner as well;this helps my memory probles quite a bit,and myght assist the MP in stablizing my vision.The Water Ozonater gives me a bit of extra energy at the start of the day;might help on other levels/problems as well.

      Over the last 15 years I’ve read an enormous amount of info on the web,where I always tried to cross-check interesting facts I found,on other reliable sources.Together with my experiences over the last 20+ years this formed my opinion. Being a skeptic reader,I think this opinion has a solid base,Andrea.

      P.s. I won’t even try to convince Virginia of what I think of vaccin’s and other “medicines”; I KNOW this is impossible untill she wakes up.After all,it took me over 20 years,and misery to reform from a true believer (like she is,now),to a skeptic.I hope,she will wake up in time,before that “science based medicine” has brought too much damage to her health and body.

      • L May 11, 2019 at 9:19 am Reply

        Oh Henk, I am so sorry to hear about what your brother went through, and that you lost him. But yes, I have heard many times before about the “Rush” to get care so there is no time to get a second opinion or consider alternatives. This is used quite a bit with cancer patients (“You need surgery asap” “You need to start the chemo tomorrow.”) And because we were all brought up to trust in the system, many do so out of fear, because “the doctor must know best.” 😦

        • Henk Noordhuizen May 13, 2019 at 3:22 am

          Hi L.,actually it still suprises me that he accepted that diagnose,and the hurry from the “doc’s” to put the chemo in him.He was quite an intelligent guy (Drs. in sociology).He should have realized that there was no need for hurry because he had his symptoms for over 1 1/2 year.Didn’t get better,but didn’t worsen either.Should have made him suspicious about that diagnose,as well;he went to a lot of different doc’s and specialists but none could find the cause of his symptoms. AML was never,ever mentioned or suggested as a possible cause untill an internist who worked in the cancer specialized hospital where he sent him,and where they diagnosed and treated him. Maybe his trust in science worked against him.

          A few months after he died I found a blog from a doctor who had an interesting story about a nurse he met.She told him that she had AML (like my brother),and went through excactly the same treatment as my brother,but,probably,with the usual dose (the docs experimented on my brother,with extra high doses he went trough hell!). And,same as my brother,after a year the AML was back.While doc’s told my brother that doing the same treatment,over,again was useless,tis option was offered to the nurse but she went to an other hospital for a second opinion.

          There she was diagnoses with an infection of a micro fungus,and they treated her with antifungul medicines;she was in hospital for 2 months because these medicines are risky,and monitoring her while on this medication was absolutely neccesary,but after the treatment she was cured 100%,and when she and the doctor met it was years later,and she was still in good health,although not fully recovered from the chemo and radiation.Interesting fact;at the time she was diagnosed with AML she worked as a nurse in a hospital,specialized in children with cancer;many of them with blood cancer. Well, (1) if cancer is a mutation of cells,you can’t cure it with antifungicides.And (2) fungicidal infections are quite contagious. Add those two facts,and the 1 1/2 year my brother’s health didn’t worse together,and you know why I doubt my brother’s diagnose,and the treatment he got.

        • L May 13, 2019 at 9:40 am

          The frustration is not only the rush to treat, but the tunnel vision that it can only be treated with these toxins. That is all they are taught. No thinking outside the box. Ozone has been used to treat resistant fungal infections for decades. But then what can you expect when their training is based on pharmaceutical treatment, with nothing on natural cures and very little on nutrition. And it becomes such a never-ending circle of pharma treatment, “needing” a new one for each side effect that the last created. I have great respect for those doctors who finally see the light, and become integrative (and of course NDs who knew there was a better way begin with.)

      • Attsy May 12, 2019 at 12:44 am Reply

        Hi Henk,
        I am very sorry for what happened to your brother :(. Honestly there is no reason to persuade someone because before I needed help from the doctors I didn’t believe either. I heard numerous stories like this but believed that this only happens to others (because they didn’t treat doctors well, they were arrogant, not kind, too hysteric, well I was so wrong and I feel kind of guilt for thinking so).
        It started to change for me 4 years ago when I encountered numerous side effects from the vaccine I got and doctors had different opinions about it. One told me I should not take any more, the second I can calmly take the third shot. I am not completely against vaccination but I believe it is for people without compromised immune system/with no autoimmune disease.
        It’s scary to know that everyone can go through so much suffering with no real help.

        • Henk Noordhuizen May 13, 2019 at 2:49 am

          Hi Attsy,that brother of mine died,aged 49 years old when he died;nine days before his 50th birthday.Four years later my youngest brother died,at the age of 50;he had a feeling of preasuer on his chest,sometime,and his girlfriend urged him to the doc,who gave him medication (don’t know what,or which,but statines were probably among them). I have one brother left,who is handicapt by a doc’s mistake,after he broke his wrist in the factory (GE Plastics;they got their own doc’s).

          My mother had astma,and after her doc started bombarding her with medication she developed a heart disease and a couple of other medical problems,while the list of medicines she “had to take” grew larger and larger.She died at the age of 57.

          I had my 65th birthday,last month (feel myself a SURVIVOR!),and untill a few years ago I should have been retired,but our government tells us everybody is getting older and older,which is a lie (I did extensive research on that;womens age is no longer rising,and men’s age is descending.Well,age of politicians and other rich and well educated might be still on the rise,but not the age of many,if not most simple workers!

          We’re living in the age of lies and desception,and it’s all for money and power.Our (dutch) Prime Minister even admitted in public that he’s convinced that telling lies is a neccesity in politics,and his party has made this into an art form;it’s hard to find any truth among all the lies they tell.Same goes for many scientists,and the mainstream media;there’s no money in telling the truth.

          The more intelligent people are,now,gowing back to the real medicines;the herbs and other natural substances that served us for millenea,untill the greedy alchemists started copying them to obtain lucrative patents.Exact copies might be the safest,but are not as lucrative as modified copies of the original,natural substances because you can’t patent those molecules,but only the process by which they’re made.Same technic is used by makers of synthetic,recreative drugs;change the molecule a bit,and it’s not on the list of forbidden substances anymore.Money,money,money;Abba was damn right, in the 70’s!

        • L May 13, 2019 at 8:42 am

          and you can add to that deception with 5G that they are now forcing on us. What a nightmare this is. Warnings from a couple hundred scientists around the world, but they are pushing ahead anyway.

        • Henk Noordhuizen May 13, 2019 at 12:07 pm

          And the “Global Warming”,which stopped 18 years ago. The’ve renamed it to “Climate Change” ,well;climat change is here as long as earth excists.In fact,we are going to a very cold period,just like Russian scientists told us sinds years,but we still pay energy taxes for a global warming that’s not coming,and a climate change that’s been there since the earth has it’s atmosphere.

        • L May 13, 2019 at 3:16 pm

          Yikes. Well, I really don’t want to go into a whole discussion of climate change here, but I will say it is the most urgent threat humanity faces. 99% of the world’s scientists agree and the other 1% work for the gas, coal and oil industry. There is no dispute at this point; and minor variations in weather patterns have nothing to do with it—the earth is indeed warming overall, and we have a very short timeframe within which to turn this around.

        • Henk Noordhuizen May 14, 2019 at 2:31 am

          L.,the official number isn’t 99%,but 97%,and the way they created this number is enough to have doubt on the climate warming hypothesis.And tens of thousands of scientists don’t believe in this hoax,and the fact that we,and CO2 caused the warming up (that’s absent,now,for 18 years!). Do your research,please,and read what BOTH party’s have to tell us,not just the “officials”.

      • Andrea May 12, 2019 at 2:32 pm Reply

        Henk, here’s my take on vaccines/modern medicine/doctors : I still belive in science and medicine. I still think that, if you’re seriously ill, you need to take your medicines. I also know that, sometimes, even a common infection, can become very dangerous if not treated correctly. With that being said, I also know that medicine, doctors and drugs, are not perfect. Drugs can be extremely dangerous, and you should only use them as a last resort. But here’s an example, to let you understand my point : think of the past, when there weren’t antibiotics or anything else, you would die for even a small wound, if it get infected. You’d have to cut one of your limb and so on..this doesn’t mean that today, most doctors are completely clueless and even dangerous, with their ingorance, or that medicine is just safe, but let’s be reaI, antibiotics, vaccines and so on, made us live longer and probably better. Yeah, of course they’re not perfect, they can be extremely dangerous and misused (see FQs) .
        I completely disagree with you (or anyone else) , when you say that there’s no proof that modern medicine is effective ( you wrote something like that in another post), and it’s all a big conspiracy by Big Pharma. Of course pharmaceutical companies are evil and only care about the profits, but saying that you don’t need drugs, ever, it’s just too unreal for me. Today medicine is far from being perfect, but it’s still soemthing we can all benefit from it (if done correctly). Since being floxed, I’ve always said this : ” I still belive in official medicine, I don’t trust the ones who apply it (or at least the way they’re applying it)”. I also don’t really belive in naturopathy or anything like that. I mean, yeah, soemtimes, certain approaches (supplements, alternative treatments like the sota pulser etc) can be effective, but not everyone can benefits from them. For example, I’ve tried that magnetic tesla chair, and it only worsen my situation. I also can’t belive, for example,that you can beat cancer with some root…
        My mother, a doctor, always said to me that a pharmaceutical drug, a medicine, without any side effect, can’t be considered a drug, and whoever is telling you “this so and so drug, doesn’t have any side effect”, is lying to you or is just ignorant. So of course you’ve got to be careful and really think about the pros and cons before taking anything.
        Sorry, I’d like to express myself better, but my poor english doesn’t allow me to do better.

        • Attsy May 12, 2019 at 10:36 pm

          Andrea, I understand your point of view. But I think many people stopped believing the doctors because they simply could not help them or didn’t even try…..In my case like in 90% if they give me some medicine they claim, it has no side effect and when I open the medical note at home there are so many side effects….They withdrew the information that benzos are addictive from me and trazodone can make you fall asleep (isn’t this a sleeping pill?). When I finally asked I was told it’s a nonsense. They suspected numerous illnesses which I didn’t have in the end and prescribed me some medication (claiming nothing would happen if I would not have the illness) then coming home and realizing that there is even better medicine with less side effects available on the market for the illness they suspected I had. If I worry about something they brush it off, they push me to get vaccination (and I had many of them due to this propaganda), hormonal contraception (which I can’t take), sometimes even force me to buy the medicine directly in their office or giving me medical samples to try. They was even not able to diagnose celiac disease for years even when I have all the typical symptoms, then I had to diagnose myself and push my opinion and made them angry…..I won’t even mention FQ ATB because I would get angry again.
          If this will continue I will maybe start to have extreme opinion about the doctors and pharma too.

        • L May 13, 2019 at 8:39 am

          And then add to that the ridicule. “oh, where did you get that information from? Dr Google?” hey, guess what. “Dr. Google” saved my life. And even since the cipro poisoning I have solved things thanks to “Dr google” that the doctors have been unable to. I think part of the problem is arrogance. That is why I appreciate integrative MDs. They KNOW that finding more natural, less harmful solutions is always the better way when possible.

        • Henk Noordhuizen May 13, 2019 at 1:29 pm

          You wrote: I completely disagree with you (or anyone else) , when you say that there’s no proof that modern medicine is effective ( you wrote something like that in another post), and it’s all a big conspiracy by Big Pharma.

          Well: I wrote there’s mounting proof that synthetic drugs aren’t as effective as the natural medicines they were based on,and that the natural ones have less,if any adverse reactions. Didn’t write that there isn’t any proof the synthetic medicines are effective.Please,read my writings more carefully,if you want to comment on those.

          Another thing you wrote”:I also don’t really belive in naturopathy or anything like that. I mean, yeah, soemtimes, certain approaches (supplements, alternative treatments like the sota pulser etc) can be effective, but not everyone can benefits from them. For example, I’ve tried that magnetic tesla chair, and it only worsen my situation.”

          I’ve explained why you can’t compare the Sota Pulser and that Tesla Chair (Sota is magnetic PULSES,where thet Tesla chair is magnetic WAVES,and I explained why magnetic pulses work,and that I was pretty shure the waves would not.Like comparing apples and oranges! So;it’s not because not everyone can benefit,but,not everyone chooses for the most effective treatment.And I advised you to build a magnetic pulser ,yourself,or with help of a handy neighbour or friend,and explained how to do it,for €30-40.Your Tesla Chair experiment will probably have cost you (quite?) a bit more.

          By now you will know how much benefit many of us had with magnesium supplementation,and other supplements and remedies,in recovering from being floxed.I had more than one bad experiences with modern “medicines”,and time after time it were alternative remedies which helped me regain most of my health. I don’t like the word alternative for remedies that are many centuries,or even millenea old;that word better fits the 150-200 years old “orthodox” alopathic remedies,with synthetic/chemical substances.This “switching of titles” is mainly meant to bring confusion,and to make people think that allopathic,(synthetic) medicines were always there,and medical herbs and other natural remenies are a new trend.

          You’re oké with mandatory vaccins? Well I’m NOT! There is a reason our constitutions forbid just that! This is called: Sovereignty of the human body!

      • Madge Hirsch May 15, 2019 at 3:07 am Reply

        I can’t remember where I read it but if you put in a search with his name you will find it.

  12. Andrea May 12, 2019 at 2:34 pm Reply

    Oh, and another thing, regarding vaccines. In most countries they’re mandatory, and I’m ok with it, but then, they should make way more reserches on the side effects.

  13. Henk Noordhuizen May 13, 2019 at 1:37 am Reply
    • Andrea May 13, 2019 at 6:21 pm Reply

      Henk, couldn’t find the reply button to your last comment, so I’m answering you here.
      Anyway this would be me my last comment on vaccines or to any other subject, unless it isn’t direclty related to FQs. As someone pointed out, this is a site to share useful infos on FQ toxicity and to find some help, so it’s probably wise to just stick to that subject. Anyway, I agree somehow with you. I know that modern medicine, official medicine, call it whatever you want, it’s not perfect. I know it’s a huge, huge business and there’re greedy people behind it. I know that most of the times, we shouldn’t follow medical advices like It was God’s word. I know medicine it’s not perfect. I know drugs aren’t just safe, as most doctors try to let us think. Today it seems there’s a magical pill for anything. But still, do you know how many diseases medicines, antibiotics, vaccines cured, stopped from spreading etc? Like I wrote earlier, think about the past. Yes, sure today we’re pushing the limits and we’re definetely abusing medicines. But for example , things like antibiotics, can save your life. You seem very anti-vaccines, and you mentioned sovergnity of the human body. But, I remind you that we live in a society. As unperfect as It is, but still the society we all share. So mandatory vaccines, from my point of view, it’s like putting a mandatory helmet when you ride a bike, or not being allowed to run as fast as you like while driving on a public road. If you read again my previous comment, I also wrote, that they should study way more deeply the side effects of vaccines, since there’re many… That’s just what I think. Our society, is far from being perfect. Lots of greed, lots of ignorant people who should really step back and learn about respect and care (talking about doctors now), but let’s just don’t fall in that trap where we start to belive in anything that goes against the “official version”. Sorry, I don’t mean to offend you, trust me, but this is the idea I get, when you start talking about certain subjects. You seem to be a very smart man. Way smarter than me, and, even at 65 (I mean it with respect) with lots of curiosity for new things. But sometimes, I think you belive in things or claims that don’t have any real foundation behind it. Sorry, if something I wrote or I’m writing here offends you, but I always try to be sincere, expecially with people who share this unfortunate journey with me…

  14. Henk Noordhuizen May 14, 2019 at 3:16 am Reply

    Why are people who are fully vaccinated,so afraid of those,unvaccinated? Is it,because so many vaccinated people get the diseases they’re vaccinated against? Now they need a booster shot,and another one,because,whèn vaccines work,they work for only a short while,in contrary to the immunity from having had the real disease. And unvaccinated people are only a risk for other unvaccinated people,when those vaccins give real protection.

    I dó think being aware of the dangers of vaccins is very important for Floxies because of the neurotoxic substances that are added (Thimerosal,which contains a Mercury,Aluminium,MSG,and it wouldn’t suprise me if Fluorid would be added in the future,to “fortify” failing vaccines).

    The nerves of many of us,Floxies, are damaged already;I,for myself,want to be very carefull with what’s left of my nerve system after being floxed!

  15. Henk Noordhuizen May 14, 2019 at 5:03 am Reply

    On Mercola,today,about the rediculous way of “testing” vaccine safety and efficiency:


    How dare one call this “Science”?

  16. Henk Noordhuizen May 14, 2019 at 5:09 am Reply

    Here the mentioned video with Del Bigtree (the link was missing in Mercola’s article:

    • L May 14, 2019 at 9:20 am Reply

      Thanks. Started watching. (Sadly, because of the length, those that really SHOULD watch this won’t.)

    • Attsy May 14, 2019 at 10:00 am Reply

      Hi Henk, I am going to watch it too. I am more and more scared that if something like with FQ antibiotics will happen to me again I am dead. I will never be able to understand that this society is so greedy and people just want money and don’t care at all about others.

    • Andrea May 14, 2019 at 12:55 pm Reply

      Ok…but you still didn’t answer my question. Do you know how many diseases medicines, vaccines in this case, eradicated? Do names like polio, rinderpest, smallpox, malaria, just to name a few, ring a bell? Oh well, that’s probably just big pharma propaganda,right?
      (Still, I don’t mean vaccines are completely safe or side effects free, but at least let’s look at history and FACTS)

      • L May 14, 2019 at 3:56 pm Reply

        Actually polio was mostly eradicated by the time the vaccine came along, from better hygiene and sanitation. And some continuing cases were just renamed (eg guilluame barre) https://thevaccinereaction.org/2015/07/polio-wasnt-vanquished-it-was-redefined/

        • Henk Noordhuizen May 15, 2019 at 2:55 am

          And there was the Polio-DDT link:


          This page also shows the graphics that show the Polio vaccin was used at the end of the epidemic,when Polio was almost eradicated.Notice the small RISE in the graphic,right after the vaccination.And the strong rise after the war,when DDT was introduced and used on an extremely large scale in our society,untill,a few years later,when the use of DDT,and the rate of Polio cases started to decline.

    • Andrea May 14, 2019 at 1:16 pm Reply
      • Henk Noordhuizen May 14, 2019 at 2:22 pm Reply

        No,of course I do not know who Louis Pasteur is;are you joking? You’d better read the book “The private science of Louis Pasteur” by Gerald L. Gleison.with a much more honest picture of Pasteur than the popular one.Very interesting info came from Pasteur’s own labratory books,which Pasteur had forbidden to publish,but recently they were published anyway.And Pasteur had a good reason,not to publish them!

        As for vaccins: don’t try to convince me with industrial propaganda,and present that as facts.Do your research,and read what the opposers have to tell you. Those are not all morons and lunatics, and many have done serious research!

        Polio had almost disappeared when vaccins came around.This mass-vaccination slowed down the NATURAL disappearing of polio.This is proven by the original data and statistics.

        The smallpox vaccin has made a lot of victims,in Great britain and the US.The US people were lured into going for the vax by fea rmongering them with photographs of victims.Later on,it was discovered that those victims were victims of the industry,not of the disease itself;their symptoms were vaccin induced!

        Malaria vaccin? The only excisting malaria vaccins have a very modest efficiency;there’s no reliable vaccin against malaria,yet:


        This is the last time I write about vaccins; discussing these kind of things with someone who’s not willing to read both sides of the story is,in my eyes,utterly useless.

        • Andrea May 14, 2019 at 2:44 pm

          All right…anyway just for the record, never tried to convince you about anything, I really don’t care about it. 🙂 I was just trying to understand why you belive so much in certains “proofs” and not the other ones. When I asked you if you knew who Louis Pasteur was, I was ironic, but as a matter of fact, I was trying to understand how someone who knows who he was, can still ignore or deny the benefits humanity had from people like him and their discoveries. And another thing, when you write “discussing these kind of things with someone who’s not willing to read both sides of the story is,in my eyes,utterly useless” we can defenetly agree on this one, since I feel the same when discussing this topic with you. Peace.

  17. Attsy May 14, 2019 at 8:28 am Reply

    Hi guys, according to your experience, do you drink some herbal tea? Does it help? Today I ordered 12 different herbs from the internet, I will just try to mix them and drink it. I am curious if this could help for example with stomach cramps or digestion. I know that some of you drink borage, I have it but for some reason it seems to do nothing for me.

    • L May 14, 2019 at 9:46 am Reply

      It really depends. They all have different properties and effects. You need to research each one. EG Turmeric ginger tea should help with digestion and inflammation, among other things. AS for how effective they are I think it varies. I had read that passion flower tea was supposed to help with sleep, but it made no difference for me.

      • Attsy May 14, 2019 at 10:02 am Reply

        thanks, let’s see, if nothing happens then at least I will drink more with so many herbs at home 🙂

        • Henk Noordhuizen May 14, 2019 at 10:33 am

          Hi Attsy,tea,black,green,and,my favorite,white tea was my main drink before being floxed.I had 2 relapses,since,one time from a black tea/fruit mix,and the first relapse was of Pu Erh tea,known to be low in fluoride.

          Now I’m mainly drinking herb/spice tea,like ginger/curcumin,hybiscus,and cammomila.These three tea’s are very tasty and healthy.Now the new garden season started,and in my garden I have several mint variety’s,lemon balm and plantain (which I also use for musquito bites;best remedy in the world for that!).

          None of these have given me any problems.Experiment with different tastes,and smells;as long as there’s no fluorid in it,they’re perfectly safe.If possible,grow them yourself;mint,lemon balm,and some others are tasting best when used fresh. You can also use cinnamon and some other spices to make your tea even tastier.

          Nettle tea is a not the best tasting tea in the world but it cleans the blood.A bit of honey makes the taste a lot better.Don’t drink this one too often,otherwise it gives you an itchy skin.And always boil for at least 10 minutes to brake down the burning substance in the nettles.A nettle soup is one of the tastiest soups I know;make it with fresh nettles;not with dries leaves;those are better used for making tea.

        • Attsy May 14, 2019 at 11:24 pm

          Hi Henk, thank you for the nettle soup tip, looks delicios! I am actually looking forward to mix the herbs and make the tea (don’t know even why). I didn’t even know that some tea can contain fluoride. Well fortunately mine don’t :).

  18. Dee May 14, 2019 at 11:06 am Reply

    Question??? I am long overdue for a colonoscopy and endoscopy. I should have had it done 3 years ago at age 60. I got floxed 2 years ago and probably recovered 80/85% so far?? Mainly gut related issues and some tinnitus still dealing with. I am scared to death of general anesthesia for the procedure. Anyone gone under general anesthesia and or have any knowledge how Floxies do with it???

    • L May 14, 2019 at 4:27 pm Reply

      Hey Dee, again with the caveat that we are all different, I got one and had no issues, and you know how bad I was. A couple things though. If you have no history of issues, and have no hemoroids or anything that might cause bleeding you could do that home test kit. You get a prescription from your doctor and it is sent to your home. You fill this tub with your poop, then mail it back to some poor guy at the other end who opens it! (cologuard) I did this , but unfortunately got a false positive and had to have the colonoscopy anyhow…so all it did was worry me for a few weeks unnecessarily. Still, might be worth a shot.

      I would be MORE concerned about the prep stuff which is disgusting and which is not healthy for your gut. https://www.drweil.com/health-wellness/body-mind-spirit/gastrointestinal/colonoscopy-worry-missing-microbiome/

      • Madge Hirsch May 15, 2019 at 10:35 am Reply

        I have had 3 colonoscopies since being floxed.with Propofol. Had no problems .

    • Virginia May 14, 2019 at 7:43 pm Reply

      Hi Dee, yes we all respond differently, but the good news is that general anesthesia is rarely needed for colonoscopy and endoscopy, just sedation. I’ve had both, and responded very well to the colonoscopy sedation. My only problem with the endoscopy sedation was nausea to one of the sedation agents, probably fentanyl. But I had no long-term reactions. I too would do Cologuard if my dr. permits it.

  19. Dee May 15, 2019 at 7:19 am Reply

    Virgina and L, thank you for your feedback on general anesthesia! It is a coincidence that my son is actually a sales rep for Cologuard and I am doing that test as we speak! I do still need to get an endoscope though and “if” my cologuard test came back positive (fingers crossed it doesn’t) I still need to eventually need to get my throat scoped as I have had acid reflux for years and even the beginning of Barrett’s so need to do the scope unfortunately. I never knew there was a difference between general anesthesia and sedation??? I guess I thought it was all the same general anesthesia!!?? If that is the case I hope I would tolerate sedation a lot better?? Do you know if sedation is flourine based as is general anesthesia?? I’m sorry you had a false positive on your colon test L. I do know that happens now and then. The good news is it was “false”!! How long had both of you been floxed before the procedure was done? Thank you again for your feedback!!! Appreciated!!!!

    • L May 15, 2019 at 10:32 am Reply

      I was somewhere between three and four years post floxing when I had the procedure. I have had local anesthesia several times and then whatever it is they give for the colonoscopy and have not had any issues with either. Again, with the colonoscopy I would be vigilant about probiotics, fermented foods (unless you have mast cell issues) to help your gut since the prep stuff wipes out good microbiome. That’s the worst part of it. BTW I know it’s not the same as having a camera put down your throat, but I had one put down my nose and as claustrophobic as I am, I thought I would freak out, but it really wasn’t that bad actually. He just used a bit of numbing spray and I chose to forego the anesthetic

    • Attsy May 15, 2019 at 12:21 pm Reply

      Hi Dee, I had only gastroscopy and got both – throat spray and light analgosedation. I had no problem with it. Remember nothing, had no side effects, rested for 30 minutes there. Though I would not choose GA for colonoscopy, only analgosedation – it can be deep or light (it’s more gentle to the body and you can leave after 2 hours after the procedure if you choose the deep one).

    • Virginia May 15, 2019 at 5:28 pm Reply

      Dee, I don’t know if sedation is fluorione-based. My colonoscopy was 4 years before I was floxed, and my endoscopy 4 years after.

  20. Attsy May 15, 2019 at 1:16 pm Reply

    Have you noticed that the video with that ibalgin advice was removed? Just wanted to look at it today again and it’s gone :D!

    • Henk Noordhuizen May 15, 2019 at 1:23 pm Reply

      Attsy,do you know the title of that movie? Sometimes it’s reposted by an other YouTuber;maybe a google search helps.

      • Attsy May 15, 2019 at 1:47 pm Reply

        Henk, I don’t know, I was happy that finally we had some words which a lot of people can read online and also they can get here and now it’s gone and I am trying to remember but I didn’t download the video nor saved the title :/ because I didn’t think they would took it down.

      • Attsy May 15, 2019 at 3:11 pm Reply

        Yes :/, I am dissapointed that they did it. They probably don’t want other people to be informed with correct info….

    • Andrea May 15, 2019 at 3:08 pm Reply

      Oh Attsy, I just read your comment now, I think we’re talking about the same video…LOL

      • Attsy May 15, 2019 at 3:12 pm Reply

        Yes the same one, I Called IT Ibalgin video :D!!

  21. Andrea May 15, 2019 at 3:06 pm Reply

    LOL, I’ve just noticed that the video I posted a couple of weeks ago, with that nurse giving “awesome” advices, on how to treat FQ induced toxicity, like taking ibuprofen,has been removed from YouTube…Probably we left so many negative comments and so many thumbs down in so little time that they decided to delete it. Well that’s just good, let’s keep informing people about the dangers of these drugs and expecially let’s keep discrediting these so called “experts”.

    • L May 15, 2019 at 3:09 pm Reply

      I also contacted that site that posted it and said it was tantamount to medical malpractice and gave them links to floxie hope’s resource page so they could inform themselves. 🙂

      • Andrea May 16, 2019 at 1:16 am Reply

        Well done!

        • L May 16, 2019 at 9:35 am

          Thanks. I was jus so furious. I imagine that it why the video is no longer available. It’s bad enough to give unhelpful advice…but to encourage the use of something that could actually worsen your condition, is just so wrong

    • Angela ashton May 16, 2019 at 3:07 am Reply

      here is another controversial subject/drug . benzos. very similar to the fluoroquinolones re the damage they do


  22. Dee May 15, 2019 at 3:34 pm Reply

    Thank you all for your feedback on sedation during a colonoscopy or endoscopy!! Hopefully if and when I need one I will have a good outcome like you all did!!!! Your positive responses gives me a lot of hope!!!!
    L, how is your tinnitus doing?? Is it getting quieter for you?? Hope so!!!!

    • L May 15, 2019 at 4:02 pm Reply

      No, damn it! In fact there are times when it is so deafeningly loud I was to scream. No peace and quiet. How about yours?

  23. Dee May 15, 2019 at 5:36 pm Reply

    L, I’m sorry your tinnitus has not calmed down for you☹️ My “pulsating” tinnitus has slowly become more quiet. Mine was brought on very quickly and intensely by a half mg of melatonin about 3 months into my floxing. My Doc thinks because my Gaba receptors were damaged that they had a hyper opposing reaction to the melatonin. I had horrible tinnitus come on within a day that roared and throbbed like a jet engine for months! My “guess” is since Gaba receptors can repair and heal that as they are repairing my tinnitus will improve and hopefully disappear!! I figure it may take 3/4 years for Gaba receptors to repair???? Keeping my fingers crossed!! I feel lucky to have recovered 85-90% in about 2 years. I still need some repair and healing for my gut and tried everything! Still wake up pretty early with multiple bathroom runs. My stomach is in overdrive every morning. I figure maybe autonomic nervous system in my digestive system still a little haywire?? Also need leaky gut and microbiome repair I’m sure? Already take probiotics. Not sure weather to try colostrum it maybe Restore, bone broth?? So many products to consider!!?? Any suggestions?? I hope your tinnitus starts to quiet down for you! Don’t give up hope!!

    • L May 15, 2019 at 6:11 pm Reply

      That’s so odd because I had read about taking 5 or 6 mg of melatonin to help STOP tinnitus. I was so excited, but I took 1 three mg pill and had awful night terrors which I found out were a possible side effect. So there goes that. I suspect, although of course I don’t know, that mine is from nerve damage, since I had so much body wide nerve damage, so not sure there is any hope for that. (but I keep looking)
      As for your gut (unless you have mast cell issues) fermented foods would be a great addition as well as bone broth.

      • Henk Noordhuizen May 16, 2019 at 1:56 am Reply

        L.,I think that using the lowest dose of melatonine for good sleep is the best way to use it.I sleep wel on o,5-0,8 mg. It varies;at the moment I need 0,8 to sleep well;when I don’t drink too much before going to bed I sleep 6-7,sometimes 8 hours in one row!

        I never heard or read of melatonine being able to stop tinnitus;the only remedy I ever read of was Magnesium (a mag. defficiency is a known cause of tinnitus). But for this you’ll need the Magnesium L-threonate; it’s the only form which easily passes the blood/brain barrier.You might give that a try.


        • L May 16, 2019 at 9:46 am

          I wasn’t using it for sleep. The 6 mg was recommended as a treatment for tinitis. I had read a study where it said there was improvement with 6mg. Can’t find that one now, but here is one that talks about 3 mg. Anyhow, like I said, I had night terrors at 3. Maybe someday I will try 1 mg and work my way up and see if I can do it that way. http://doctormurray.com/tinnitus-can-melatonin-stop-the-ringing/

        • Henk Noordhuizen May 16, 2019 at 10:40 am

          I think the magnesium and taurine are a better option than melatonin,which is,after all, ment to make you sleepy.Research on melatonin for tinnitus show mixed results,as far as I remember.

          Ces and PEMF are two completely different technics.

        • L May 16, 2019 at 5:03 pm

          I was on both taurine and mag in fairly high quantities. No change

        • Henk Noordhuizen May 17, 2019 at 12:37 am

          L. your posts do appear;I see tme twice.The original,and your complaints,and repeatings of your message.

          As for the tinnitus: have you tried the “trick” of that commentator on Mercola? This could at least give you moments of silence.Here is it,and other commentators have tried it and they agree that it really works:

          “simple, free, try it now: 1- place palms of hands over your ears. 2- rest fingers on the back of your head. 3- point middle fingers toward each another. 4- place index fingers on top of middle fingers, and 5- SNAP/THUMP them (the index fingers) against skull. 6- repeat. please share with all, how this works for you. even temporary relief is precious.”

          That’s all! You can use this “trick” everywhere. And for a permanent solution there’s still the CES to try.

        • L May 17, 2019 at 9:50 am

          That is so bizarre because I am only seeing them once…even if I go back and do a search. how odd. And yes I tried that trick long ago. The effect was less than a second.

        • Henk Noordhuizen May 17, 2019 at 9:54 am

          Sorry,to hear that it didn’t work for you.You might try it again,every once and a while;maybe things changed.

          I do see those messages twice,first the original one,and then the one where you complain that it didn’t show up,and repeat the message.Don’t know about the others;maybe they can let you know if they see them both as well,like I do.

        • L May 17, 2019 at 9:51 am

          I am only seeing them once, even if I search for them. very odd. and now this may be a duplicate too. maybe I will just take a break from here. And yes I tried that trick. It lasted less than a second.

        • Henk Noordhuizen May 17, 2019 at 10:25 am

          Then,the last posibility I know of is CES. Maybe you can find a way to try this without having to buy a CES device yourself.

        • Henk Noordhuizen May 17, 2019 at 10:35 am

          I just posted a reply to you,L. and it lasted quite a while.Kept haning on E-Junk dot com,first,then on facebook,and then…it didn’t show up.Just curious what happens with this one,and if the other one shows up,in the end.

          My reply was, that the only possibility that I know of,that’s left for you,is CES. Try to find somebody with adevice and ask if you might try it.

        • L May 16, 2019 at 9:50 am

          weird, I just posted and it didn’t show up. anyhow I wasn’t using it for sleep. I was using it for tinnitus. I had read a study where they used 6 mg. I couldn’t even do 3. here’s another article where they talk about using 3. maybe I will try some day to start with one and work up and see if I have the same reaction. http://doctormurray.com/tinnitus-can-melatonin-stop-the-ringing/

      • Henk Noordhuizen May 16, 2019 at 2:07 am Reply

        Dee,in that Mercola article he also mentions Taurine.And in the comments a guy (gtriber) mentions a simple but very effective technique to temperary lessen the noise.Other commentors tried it and are enthousiastic about it. Although it only works temperory,it’s for free,and you can use it everywhere you go.

      • Attsy May 16, 2019 at 2:15 am Reply

        Hi L, have you tried ginko biloba? I don’t have tinitus but my grandfather does and he takes these pills – https://www.buyonlineventolin.com/alzheimer-s-disease/tebokan/tebokan-intens-120-mg-30-tablets-ingredient-ginkgo-biloba-extract.html and says it helps him. But of course I don’t know if it really works.

        • L May 16, 2019 at 9:56 am

          Hmmm. Interesting. You know I have taken ginko before in the past (can’t remember why) but I think I will give it a try. Couldn’t hurt. Thanks.

        • Attsy May 16, 2019 at 12:32 pm

          Well L, have you tried some sound therapy when the noise is unberable? Maybe listening to low volume music, or some noises like white noise….Or maybe some special hearing aid might help (maybe it could cover the noise you hear?)?

        • L May 16, 2019 at 5:06 pm

          I actually hear it over what ever I am listening to

        • Attsy May 16, 2019 at 10:51 pm

          L, I am so sorry, it has to be very very annoying :(.

      • Henk Noordhuizen May 16, 2019 at 4:14 am Reply

        L., I read,in the comments on the Mercola page about tinnitus that a guy “Xanthone” had good results with CES. Well;I had a light form of sinnitus,even before getting floxed (might be due to the Losec I used for 15 years,resulting in severe magn.deficiency). I had a nasty beep in my ears,sometimes,but most of the time they were gone in less than a minute,sometimes they lasted few minutes. They didn’t boder me that much.

        Since a month I’m using my Sota Bio Tuner (originally calld Brain Tuner;it’s a CES device),and as soon that I read that comment I realized I didn’t have any beep since I (re-)started using my Brain Tuner. The reason I started using it again,after being floxed,was because my memory got a punch from that poison,and here it helps as well. And it makes me feel more relaxed and less depressive.Might have even helped restore my eyes from double vision,although I think the Magnetic Pulser and,maybe,the constant supplementation with different Magn. suplements,and zinc did help here as well.

        There’s lots of info on CES on the web; iot;s very popular,today.I did use my Braintuner a while after I bought it,years ago,then forgot about it,and I’m happy to have re-started using it again;it’s quite usefull :-))

        • L May 16, 2019 at 10:02 am

          Not familiar with CES but my ND used a PEMF device on me many times. I suspect it would not make a difference but thanks for the suggestion.

    • Henk Noordhuizen May 16, 2019 at 1:40 am Reply

      Dee,have you tried the combination of Lactospore (Bacillus coagulans) and Inulin? That worked miracles for me and even after I finished my Lactospore bottle,several month ago,my stool is quite stable.You might give it a try.

      • L May 16, 2019 at 9:41 am Reply

        ANd now that you mention that, it reminded me of something else to look into—saccharomyces boulardi https://articles.mercola.com/vitamins-supplements/saccharomyces-boulardii.aspx

        • Andrea May 16, 2019 at 4:00 pm

          Be carefoul L! saccharomyces boulardi is the one thing the messed up my GI system.
          Since being floxed, the only thing that really never bothered me was my GI. Never exeperienced irregular bowel movements. But last december, I made the stupid choice to try this probiotic I found in a health food store in my town. It was mainly SB, wich by the way is a yeast, so technically not really a robiotics, as far as I know, plus a couple of others probiotics. I tried it not because I had bowels problems, but because I’ve been always told that probiotics are just good for you in so many aspects. The problem is that SB, is moslty used to treat diarreha. I’m talking about REAL diarreha, like the one you catch drinking third world countries tap water…After just 3-4 days of 2 capsules a day of this probiotic, I was extremely bloated and costipated, something I’ve never experienced with oher probiotics (lactobacillus and bifidum bacterium), and I’m still experiencing lots of trouble in there… It is now very hard for me to digest fibers (whole grains,veggies) . and I developed symptoms of IBS, all thanks to that damn “probiotic”. So be careful of what you try and what your symptoms are. I’ve found out, the hard way, that not all probiotics are created equal. Right now I’m taking garden of life “one daily man” 50 billions 15 strains and the Lactospore (bacillus coagulans) Henk suggested a while ago. There’s no bacillus coagulans in those 15 strains mix of garden of life. I’m taking it, because, after following Henk’s suggestion, I’ve read that it should be one of the few probiotics that, not only survive the digestive sytem, but also recolonize the gut flora.

        • L May 16, 2019 at 5:09 pm

          I am not taking it now but had no problem with it. Like anything else, it helps some, and not others.

        • L May 16, 2019 at 5:12 pm

          WEird. Happened again. I posted and it didn’t “take.” Anyhow, I am not taking it now, but it helped me. Like everything else, it works for some and not for others.

        • Andrea May 16, 2019 at 4:14 pm

          And now that I’m here, here’s another awful thing I’ve noticed about being a floxie : the inability of my body to regenerate himself properly, after some trouble. I’ll give a couple of examples : one is this Saccharomiyes boulardi. A couple of friends of mine have taken it, before me, here in Italy is also sold as a over the counter supplement under the name COdex, and they experienced, just like me, gas and constipation, but after giving it up, they returned to normal. I’m still experiencing problems since december…another time, almost 2 years ago, I’ve tried Mirabegron, to try to stop my overactive bladder symtoms, but it only gave me urinary retention, so I gave it up, after only one day of use, but after that only experience, I started to develop chronic pelvic pain. Another example is my skin. After5 or 6 months after being floxed, out of the blue, the skin of my hands became very “old” full of wrinkles and flabby….disgusting. Anyway now, I’ve noticed that, if I cut my self, not even cut, even if the cat scratch me on my hands, the scratch leave a little scar on my skin, that doesn’t go away. In my opinion these are proofs that FQ gives you symptoms of immuno defcency or at least really destroyes your immune system….Let me think what do you think, it’s very important to read your opinion on this one…

        • L May 16, 2019 at 5:17 pm

          Well as far as the skin…it wrecked mine too. But I think that is because it can destroy all connective tissue, including collagen. The rest? I have no idea. That it can either create or unleash autoimmune disease I think is connected to all that. The body just does not respond as it’s supposed to. Perhaps Mast cell activation plays a part. Your body just does not react as a normal body would, and it’s “all systems on alert” even though there is no real danger.

        • Attsy May 16, 2019 at 11:11 pm

          Andrea and L, my body also regenerates very slowly. I also get cystical acne after I was floxed, my skin looks grey, got wrinkles and simply weird without make up. I get red blotches on my skin from time to time. When I have some tooth job done, the wound takes like 3 times longer to heal than before. I can also say that I was able to tolerate pain well now I am over sensitive to pain. I found it strange but now I see you have it too.

        • Henk Noordhuizen May 17, 2019 at 12:56 am

          Hy Attsy,just like so many floxies wrote,my skin looks old and wrinkled since I was floxed.And I got part of the skin on my face and back of my head that are constantly flaking.Itches extremely and looks terrible.It’s very sensitive to,about,everything;the only sops I can use on my face are olive oil soap,and the best: my homemade cocos-oil soap.I use mandarin oil,and ceder oil to parfumate them (both 100% natural oils).

          My neighbour girls love the mandarin parfumed one,my skin reacts best on the one with the ceder oil; the problem gets less severe since I started using that on my face,some weeks ago.And the foam of cocos soap seems makes my skin soft and less wrinkly,especcially the skin of my hands,which I wash way too often. With other soaps they get so dry that the skin sometimes splits open and starts to bleed.At the moment it feels soft,and the skin looks much better.And actually,soap making isn’t the worst job to do;it even starts to be kind of a hobby,for me :-))

        • Attsy May 17, 2019 at 5:38 am

          Hello Henk, it’s sad that it also affetcs our skins :(. Just out of curiosity how do you make your soap?

        • Henk Noordhuizen May 17, 2019 at 6:11 am

          Making soap is quite easy.You go to one of the soap calculater websites,put your oil choice,and the weight into the calculater,choose the lye (usualy NAOH),and it will give you the exact (importan!) amount of water and NAHO you’ll need for your amount of oil/fat.

          There are two ways of making the soap: the cold,and the warm way. I use the cold way but it lasts longer than the warm way.The cold way goes easier on the valuable substances in the oil.

          When the sapification is finished and the soap is ready for putting in the molds,you mix in the etheric oil,if you want the soap to be parfumed.Use maximal 10 ml per kilo of soap,as shown by the calculater:


          Attention:for your own safety:

          1. Always use safety glasses,and old cloathes that protect your skin.

          2. ALWAYS put the NAHO,slowly,into the cold water,wile gently stirring it with a wooden spoon. The chemical reaction heats the water to 50-70 degrees C., and the liquid is very corrosive.Splatters on your skin? Wash immediatly with lots of water.

          3. Untill the saponiification is finished,the liquid is quite reactive and can burn/hurt your skin.

          This info,and all the other info you’ll need are on the above,,and many other soapmaker’s websites:

        • Attsy May 17, 2019 at 6:27 am

          Henk, thank you, seems like fun thing to do and I see there is no way how to skip that NaOH phase :/. But I see on the website is possible to buy soap material and just melt this one. Honestly I am quite scared to use NaOH, is it easy to burn yourself with this stuff?? Or even explosion while mixing with the water?
          Anyway today I got my herbs and mixed them and made tea! It was quite delicious!

        • Henk Noordhuizen May 17, 2019 at 7:06 am

          It’s important to use a pot/container that’s big enough to mix everything (I use an electric mixer) without splattering,so,the total liquid should not exceed half the content of your pot (2 kilo’s of soap in a 4-5 liter container.And the level of the liquid should be higher than the height of the mixer,and start with the mixer on the lowest speed untill the liquid gets thicker.

          The first time I made soap,spatters all over the place,but no burnings on my skin because of the protected clothing that covered all of my skin.I also use latex gloves.Part of my face is not covered but the splatters don’t get that far.I prefer doing this method because I now have full control over every substance in my soap :-))

        • Henk Noordhuizen May 17, 2019 at 7:15 am

          About explosion risk: once again; NEVER put the water to the NAOH;ALWAYS put the NAOH,slowly,to the water. Should you put a bit of water to the NAOH,then the generated heat,at the moment the water hits the NAOH, is high enough to make the mix to start cooking agressively,and spatter this very corrosive and strongly alkalic solution around in an almost explosive way..That’s why you ALWAYS have to put the NAOH, SLOWLY, to the water,and not the other way around.

          When you follow the rules to work safe,you will be alright You might look for demonstrations on soap making on YouTube.

        • Attsy May 17, 2019 at 9:11 am

          It really sounds like fun thing to do :D!! I also noticed that on the internet there are many people selling their home made soaps. Thank you for all your tips Henk :). If I make myself to do one on my own I will let you know, how it went.

        • Henk Noordhuizen May 17, 2019 at 9:40 am

          Success with making your own soap.I hope you’ll enjoy both the making ánd the soap. In most supermarkets,here,you can buy rather cheap cocos soap ( € 6-8 per kilo).In my opinion this cocos oil isn’t a good quality for using as a food,but it’s great for making soap.Good to superieur quality cocos oil will set you back €20-€30; quality food comes with a price :-((

        • Angela ashton May 18, 2019 at 2:14 am

          how do u make your own soap

        • Henk Noordhuizen May 18, 2019 at 2:46 am

          Angela,making soap is (almost) as old as history,itself. I typed “making soap” in my search engine and lots of usefull pages started coming up; it’s that easy ;-))

          Here’s a usefull one,and I posted a reply to Attsy with a link to a good soap calculator.


          Another helpfull advise;on those pages,most of the time they use an ordinary thermometer,and you have to have two ones;one for the lye,and one for the oil.A much simpeler way is,to buy an infrared thermometer;you can use that on both liquids,because they don’t touch the liquids.Very handy too,for other things (things in the oven,in the freeser,or when you make your own fresh cheese,for example).

        • Henk Noordhuizen May 18, 2019 at 2:49 am

          And here another link:


          You might also look for video’s on YouTube; things like “tracing” might sound crypic for some people,unless you’ve seen it (on YT ;-))

        • Anna May 18, 2019 at 2:29 pm

          After floxing my husband started making my face lotion. He heats bee wax pellets with Jojoba oil, Shea butter, Coconut oil and some other things. We usually have to keep tinkering with the proportions to get it the right consistency. I like mine with a lot of bee wax so it stays on my dry skin longer. It is seriously better than most store bought stuff, and in the end cheaper. I also like Wella Skin Food moisturizer brand for try skin, that’s good stuff, just stinks though.

        • L May 18, 2019 at 2:36 pm

          Does your husband have a brother? 🙂

        • Anna May 18, 2019 at 6:19 pm

          Well, I believe, and of course I may be wrong, that the effects are partially damage from the pill and part autoimmune response. If you notice many of the symptoms, they mimic autoimmune disorders. Then, the pill is also a very destructive pill mixed with fluoride which binds itself to cells and causes destruction which can last forever or just take a long time to repair. I believe your age, health, nutrition, and propensity for anxiety or auto immune diseases all play a part in how badly you will be hit. Does anxiety over the issues help healing? NO – but you can’t blame ones understandable stress over their body being attacked on their recovery progress. With that being said , pushing on is all you can do, if you can! My suspicion is many of us already had deficiencies or auto immune issues, without knowing.

  24. Dee May 16, 2019 at 1:12 pm Reply

    It is so ironic that a half mg. 0.5 of melatonin gave me horrible horrible tinnitus within a few hours besides being up the whole night with anxiety and a racing heart! It has taken many months for it to start to quiet down and soften up. And yet 6 mgs of melatonin are suppose to be a cure for tinnitus. Thinking about ever taking melatonin ever again makes me shake in my pants!!!’ Just goes to show how very differently we can all react!! If your Gaba receptors are very damaged from floxing I would stay far away from melatonin. That is supposedly why I had the “opposing” reaction!!?

    • Henk Noordhuizen May 16, 2019 at 1:45 pm Reply

      The first time I took Melatonin,I had a bad reaction as well.One of the things I remember from it was,that I couldn’t sleep at all,with 3 mg’s. Later on I discovered that this was caused by the vit. B6 in those tablets.I still take no more than 1 mg at a time,and prefer to take even less;at the moment I sleep well on 0,8 mg. I think that you have to take PURE melatonin,time released,and nothing added.And start low,and gradualy take e higher dose untill you find the right dose for you,at that moment.Being more outside,in the sun,for example,will rise your naturally made dose,so,bring down your melatonin suppl. dose accordingly.

      I think this also needs to be done when you take melatonin for the tinnitus problems.That’s why I suggest taking Magn. L-Threonate and Taurine may be the first thing to try,with Melatonine as a plan B option.The “trick” that commentor on Mercola com mentioned may be very usefull one for bringing down the noise in the short run,at moments where the noise is unbearable,or on very unwelcome moments.

      And CES is there,as an extra option.The Sota Bio Tuner is a high quality device (the name “Bob Beck” is a reliable garantee for the quality),but there are lots of other braintuners on the market,and some will be of high quality as well.Things are not hopeless with so many options for improvement of your tinnitus problem.

  25. L May 16, 2019 at 5:19 pm Reply

    Getting frustrated. Just left another post that did not take. Have to post twice to everything and hope they don’t both show up. So, as far as the skin, I imagine it’s because flqs can destroy any kind of connective tissue, including collagen. As for the rest…who knows. Either unleashing or creating auto immune disease? Mast cell disorder?

    • Henk Noordhuizen May 20, 2019 at 1:51 am Reply

      L. I think I found out about the “disappearing” messages: I just posted one,hit the button and it didn’t show up. Then,after I reloaded the webpage,it was there.It just didn’t show up in the active,open window in my browser,but it will do when you reload the page.Well,it did,for me,this time :-))

  26. Mike May 17, 2019 at 6:58 am Reply

    Thank God I only took *one* Levaquin 500 ten days ago. In that time, here are the symptoms that I’ve endured:

    Horrible lower back and leg pain
    Pins and needles in legs and arms
    Tightness and facial/head pressure
    Ear pressure
    Brain Fog
    Crushing stomach and abdominal pain
    Very slight memory and concentration issues

    I found Floxie Hope and immediately began a regimen of vitamins, probiotics, Magnesium, CoQ10, tons of fruit and vegetables, sleep as much as I can, praying, pushing myself to the comfort level with exercise, reading and writing, spending time with family and friends – and working. The physical symptoms are subsiding for me – for the most part. My legs and back ache a little, but it’s minor at this point. The big thing right now for me is concentration and pressure in my ears and head (headaches). This should pass in time.

    Considering how serious this can be, the biggest factor for proper healing is time. I’m keeping myself busy and not paying attention to the clock. Because I know that, at some point in the future, this will just be a memory. It may take a week, or it may take two months. I’ll wait, I don’t care. Because I know God gave me the chance and was watching over me when I only took that one pill and flushed the rest down the toilet.

    I’ve kept my diet clean for the most part, but am starting to reintegrate what I want to eat again – slowly. Patience is the ultimate key and tool to recovery.

    • Attsy May 17, 2019 at 12:49 pm Reply

      Hi Mike, so happy you were able to realize that your problems were caused by the antibiotic you took. You can consider yourself lucky!! I hope you will be able to get well soon and you will find (and already have found) here a lot of useful information the same way I did after I was floxed :).

      • Mike May 17, 2019 at 1:03 pm Reply

        Yeah, it’s scary. I’m just wondering how long it’ll last after one pill. I’m still able to walk and exercise, work, etc. My muscles definitely ache (neck, arms, hands and legs), but I’m nowhere near incapacitated or anything. It’s painful, but I’d say it’s more on the mild side. I’m just wondering from a single dose and these symptoms what recovery time ballpark looks like.

        • Attsy May 17, 2019 at 1:19 pm

          Yes, you can get the symptoms even after one pill. The recovery time is individual but 10 days is still too early. I took 14 pills of cipro last year and got bad joint pain and insomnia – it disappeared after 6 weeks (I didn’t know that it was because of cipro) and then I got 6 pills of ofloxin fall into anaphylaxis and I have symptoms till today. It has been 11 months now. I can say that the first 5 months I thought I would die. But it’s much better. I think you should maybe rest more and exercise a bit less than you were used to before you took the pill. Honestly you can get new symptoms weeks after you took the pill. I would be very careful with pain killers, corticoids, some antidepressants and medication which contain fluoride. But I do believe you will be able to heal much sooner (hopefully a few weeks). You should also avoid these ATB in the future.

    • Anna May 17, 2019 at 5:38 pm Reply

      I only took one Cipro 500 pill too. It jacked me up bad, all the same symptoms that you are saying but mine lasted over 6 months. I have to say I am mostly better as far as leg cramps/knee weakness has left, brain fog is gone, but head pressure and a swollen eye still remain. Weird stuff. This medicine is very mysterious, but I guess all poisoning is, it is like a pin ball machine, you don’t know where this shit will land. Glad you are on the mend!

      • Mike May 18, 2019 at 5:00 am Reply

        Day 11: It’s mostly soreness, not pain where it’s incapacitating. I’m slowing it down on the exercise front, but staying active.

        I’m just amused how a single pill can defy logic by leaving your system and THEN days later doing damage. I’m just thankful I had the sense to chuck it after one. Good grief.

        • L May 18, 2019 at 10:45 am

          It doesn’t actually leave your body.

        • Mike May 18, 2019 at 11:17 am

          Are you sure? How does that make sense, though – if it’s not present in the blood, where exactly does it go if it gets excreted? I mean, is it just something you sweat out?

        • Attsy May 18, 2019 at 11:25 am

          I always thought it might stay in your bones? L, are you sure it can REALLY NEVER leave?

        • L May 18, 2019 at 12:41 pm

          I don’t think anyone know for sure, but toxins can live on in fat cells. There were some posts on this very subject a week or two ago, if you can find them.

        • Attsy May 18, 2019 at 2:14 pm

          Hi L, thanks, I read something about it. Honestly I won’t accept the fact that this won’t leave my or your/or anyone else body. I do believe it has to leave. I still believe body can repaire a lot of damage by itself. If I am not right and it won’t leave mine then I pray that it would leave yours or others.

        • L May 18, 2019 at 2:35 pm

          Well I am hoping that too. Like an exorcism! 🙂

        • Mike May 18, 2019 at 3:13 pm

          Yeah, I just don’t buy it. After reading more on this than I should probably have, it seems this effect is extremely individualized. Like, extremely individualized. I think there’s just a ton of variables involved in healing, like your existing health, how much you took, sensitivity to these meds, dedication, etc.

          For example, I’m on Day 11. I took one Levaquin 500. I’ve got a Fitbit and have been walking 3-4 miles a day the last three days. The only problems I’m having are some annoying tendon pain, lower back pain, stuff like that. The first three-ish days were tougher. My stomach felt God awful, fast heart rate, insomnia, etc. But I flushed the hell out of myself with antioxidants, fruit, water with lemon, CoQ10, vitamins, magnesium, my usual shakes, supplements, etc. I think if you counter it quick, the better recovery you’ll have. It’s like a wound: if you don’t help it, it’ll get worse. But if you at least try to do the right things, you’ll almost assuredly get better.

          I’m also a believer that anxiety is what crushes folks from their recovery. The physical part, in time, should heal (health dependent). The mental part is key: beat that, and you’ll get ahead. Just know it WILL go away.

          And one more thing: getting tests by doctors while you’re going through this and having them come back normal is, ironically, a good thing. I mean, we all know what’s up – this stuff screwed us. But as long as other tests come back normal, it should give you peace of mind in some facet that you have healthy blood and urine, etc. That’s incentive to beat it with time.

  27. Joanneg May 19, 2019 at 9:20 am Reply

    I came across this video of a functional meficine doctor who helps people suffering from fluoroquinolone adverse reactions and figured I’d post it in case someone might be interested. I don’t know anything about him just happened to across it.

    • Mike May 20, 2019 at 4:38 am Reply

      Just to be clear on the general consensus: this gets worse before it gets better, correct? I’m 13 days in and my headaches and anxiety are a little worse, as is muscle pain. I only took one Levaquin.

      • Deb May 20, 2019 at 6:46 am Reply

        Hi Mike,
        I have found that the symptoms can be up and down. Glad you’ve had some good days too.

      • Madge Hirsch May 21, 2019 at 1:33 am Reply

        It depends on the individual. As for treating the floxing early that very much depends on whether you have an immediate reaction. For those who have delayed reactions not only are they likely to finish their course thus exposing themselves to far greater quantities of the drug, but they are less likely to connect the drug to their symptoms leading to the possibility that they will take it again. This happened a lot to people in the decades when the patient info leaflet was totally inadequate and before the internet. I did not have an immediate reaction till my fourth floxing. It was only then that I looked up the drug online and realised I had had previous floxings that at the time were just mysterious periods of ill health. You are doing as much as you can but be careful with the exercise and listen to your body. Tendon ruptures are a real possibility and even the useless leaflets now say any tendon pain should be taken seriously with rest.

  28. Deb May 20, 2019 at 6:52 am Reply

    Has anyone tried topical and oral colloidal silver? What were your dosages and side effects if any? And how long did you take it? Thanks!

    • Mike May 20, 2019 at 7:06 am Reply

      I guess, for as odd as it sounds, I’m in the minority having only taken one dose. The fact I can still walk no issues, get in 3-5 miles a day and be active is fairly lucky.

      I guess I’m looking for some idea as to how long someone who’s taken one pill experiences symptoms for on a typical basis, because I know it’s individualized.

      • Henk Noordhuizen May 20, 2019 at 8:22 am Reply

        Mike,some people have landed in a wheelchair ,for month’s, after just one pill.The damage depends on so many different factors;some have taken several courses of FQ’s,spread over decennia,without any problems,and then,after just one,or a few pills,are in deep troubles.How long it takes to recover,and to what extend you’re able to recover is different for anybody as well;good luck!

  29. Attsy May 20, 2019 at 9:12 am Reply

    Guys, do you also catch cold, old some mild viral viruses all the time? I had weak immune system even before but now, I have cold like twice a month. Does it dissapear after some while? The last one left two lipoms which didn’t dissapear in my neck. I find it very annoying.
    Also my period is extremely painful. I know I talk here usually to men but if some woman has a tip for this period cramps would be appreciated. Thanks.

    • Henk Noordhuizen May 20, 2019 at 9:43 am Reply

      Hi Attsy,I don’t have those problems with virusses,but I had a strong Immune system against that kind of infections,before I was floxed,and I’m using (part of) the Bob Beck Protocol almost daily,since end of februari,last year.

      I don’t have painfull periods,in fact,I don’t have periods at all,being a man.But this can’t keep me from giving you an advise ;-)) You might try to massage your belly with magnesium oil,during your periods.Starting with the magnesium oil, a week ahead,might even work better,and supplementing the maximum on magnesium you can without getting loose stools will add.

      I hope this helps.

    • Madge Hirsch May 21, 2019 at 1:43 am Reply

      Try taking NAC -N acetyl cysteine . It works well for staving off colds and flu. Also make sure your vit d levels are optimised. A level of at least 50ng/l. I used to take Black Cohosh when I still had periods as NSAIDs always upset my stomach. At that time I had no idea I had been floxed.

    • Virginia May 21, 2019 at 4:25 pm Reply

      Attsy, about your painful periods, I sympathize! I too had them many years. They improved after I gave birth the first time. I agree with Henk about the magnesium oil over the uterus area and oral magnesium, up to bowel tolerance. I didn’t know about magnesium back then, but what helped me was a heating pad on my lower belly, and in worst cases: a hot bath, which always helped. Also, very severe period cramps can be a sign of endometriosis, so you may want to rule that out.

    • Attsy May 22, 2019 at 12:03 am Reply

      Hi all, thank you for all the recommendations. For some uknown reason (maybe I was too positive) I got very bad stomachache and thought I would call an ambulance two days ago. Now I am not so positive about this leaving my body as I was before.
      Virginia I used to have painful periods before, when I went to gynecologists (visited three doctors and then I stopped going) I was told every woman has it. I am not so sure how to ask directly for endometriosis test.
      Anyway I always spend time in hot water as this helps me even for stomach cramps.

      • Henk Noordhuizen May 22, 2019 at 3:54 am Reply

        Attsy,as a woman you’ll know that some women have extreme painfull cramps during their period,while others hardly notice any discomfort.One of the known reasons is a mgn.deficiency Which causes cramps.Here’s the logic: like in any hormonal process magnesium is needed in high amounts.And the symptoms of a deficiency will show the most in the area where the process is finding place.Rubbing your (whole) belly will rise the amount of magn. where it’s needed most at the time.

        The rubbing/massage,on it’s own,will help,as well.My first girlfriend had a hard time,during her periods,as well.Painkillers,and even some alcoholic drinks were used,but did hardly bring relief.At that time I didn’t know of the importance of magnesium,but I read in a book about massage how to massage the belly for pain relief during periods.I tried it on her,and it really helped.You have to massage in a tender way because of the sensitive organs,there.

        • Attsy May 22, 2019 at 6:41 am

          Henk, thank you for the response. I got my period and then when it stopped I got colon attack, it was almost the same like year ago. Don’t know what I did wrong. The truth is that it made me quite scared. I will try your tip with belly massage.

        • Henk Noordhuizen May 22, 2019 at 7:09 am

          Attsy,don’t forget the magnesium (oil);it will help relax the muscles.You might take a warm bath,as a start;this will start the relaxation and open your pores for the magnesium oil uptake..

          The massage: put your hand on the lowest part of the belly,and while gently pushing,rub it upworth to where your belly button is.That is for the massage.You’ll rub the magn.oil,gently,into the skin of the rest of your belly,as well.

          I hope it works.

  30. Henk Noordhuizen May 21, 2019 at 3:38 am Reply

    A new article from Mercola,on the dangers of Fluoride.It’s a pity that there is so much focussing on the Fluoride in water,and to little in the Fluoride in medicines;over 20 % is fluoridated,since most sources,and spme even say it’s around 50% by now.The article talks about Fluoride “accidents” but there’s not a word about all the FQ-victims (so,I wrote them about this ugly mistake ;-))


    • Mike May 21, 2019 at 4:34 pm Reply

      Question for you guys:

      I took the one Levaquin two weeks ago. Here’s what I’m experiencing two weeks almost to the minute:

      1. I can still walk without issues. My legs, knees and quads are sore and they feel tight, but it’s nothing debilitating.

      2. I can still walk and move around the house and such, no problems – too much – there.

      3. No real extreme fatigue.

      4. Can stand in place for excessive periods.

      5. Shoulders, lower back and wrists are tender in single spots (not widespread).

      6. Brain fog dissipating or dissolving.

      7. Can drive long distances for work.

      8. Experiencing some anxiety and such.

      9. Stomach felt nuked first 72-96 hours. Not anymore. Just achy here and there.

      10. Neuropathy is really just slight ear pain and light tingling.

      I’m just wondering if this is considered a very mild floxing by contrast to the majority. I mean, and you guys can keep me honest, there are stories of people bedridden for months on end. I’m able to exercise reasonably and can walk and put weight on my legs without problems.

      I think my situation mirrored Liz’s story, but I was curious about what folks thought.

      • Henk Noordhuizen May 22, 2019 at 3:39 am Reply

        Yes,Mike,those are very mild symptoms,and you are very lucky to have stopped taking more of those pills.I even was way much sicker after a course with Metronidazole and Amoxicilline,stopped I stopped taking the Amoxicilline after 5,and the Metronidazole after 6 days,of the 7 days I had to take them by prescription.Neither of both had Fluoride in it,the most probable main cause of the list of destructions,brought to us by FQ’s.

        Although things look good for you,don’t hang out the flag,yet;many of the symptoms show their ugly face after weeks,months and sometimes even longer after you took the last FQ pill.I hope you’re one of the lucky ones!

        • Mike May 22, 2019 at 5:56 am

          I’m just wondering how long this’ll last if I put my best foot forward. The annoying part is the tendon/muscle pain and aches. It seems like some foods are inflammatory, so I’m recalibrating my diet until I heal.

        • Henk Noordhuizen May 22, 2019 at 6:13 am

          Mike,it’s impossible to predict how long your symptoms will last;everybody reacts in a different way on being floxed.The main reason why,is because the Fluoride hits in so many places in the body (in fact: in every cell;theri mitochondria,and their mitochondrial and nucleus DNA,it destroys collagen (muscles and tendons),and damages the nerves,and,probably,brain cells as well.Like I wrote,things might look very possitive at one moment,and take a turn at the next one.Or not;always try to stay possitive.

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