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This site is to give HOPE to those who are suffering from Fluoroquinolone Toxicity Syndrome as a result of being poisoned by fluoroquinolone antibiotics – Cipro, Levaquin, Avelox, Floxin, etc.  It contains stories of healing.

Cipro, Levaquin, Avelox and all other fluoroquinolones are dangerous drugs that can have devastating effects that cumulatively I’ll refer to as Fluoroquinolone Toxicity Syndrome or Floxing.  Fluoroquinolone Toxicity Syndrome/Floxing includes damage to connective tissue (tendons, ligaments, cartilage, fascia, etc.) throughout the body, damage to the nervous systems (central, peripheral and autonomic), and more. The damage done by fluoroquinolone antibiotics can destroy a person’s quality of life or even kill them. Certainly, there is a time and a place for drugs with dangerous side effects. If you find yourself in a septic shock induced coma, fluoroquinolones may save your life. Unfortunately, these drugs are not being reserved for life or death situations. People are being prescribed them for urinary tract infections, suspected prostate infections, upper respiratory infections, as a prophylactic for travelers’ diarrhea, ear infections, pink eye, etc. Thousands of people have suffered needlessly from the devastating effects of fluoroquinolone antibiotics, when another, safer antibiotic could have, and should have, been used.

The damage done by fluoroquinolones is largely unacknowledged by the medical establishment and an accurate diagnosis, compensation and relief are difficult to come by. There is no known cure for Fluoroquinolone Toxicity Syndrome/Floxing.  However, many people continue to LIVE after being poisoned by fluroquinolones.  They find healing, recovery, perseverance, compassion and hope.  These are their stories.

This site is meant to give hope for healing to those who are adversely effected by fluoroquinolones.  It is no way meant to disregard the pain of those who are chronically suffering from the horrifying effects of Cipro, Levaquin, Avelox or the other fluoroquinolones.  There are people who don’t recover.  Their stories are real and they matter.  There are also people who are able to recover and I share their stories with the hope that they inspire others, or at least give hope that recovery is possible.

Here is a New York Times article about the dangers of fluoroquinolone antibiotics – http://well.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/09/10/popular-antibiotics-may-carry-serious-side-effects/?_r=0 – more news stories, research papers and other resources can be found on the “Links and Resources” page.

Here is a Facebook group that is a great resource for those going through Fluoroquinolone Toxicity – https://www.facebook.com/groups/floxies/

Featured post – I’m floxed. Now what?

The Fluoroquinolone Toxicity Solution Ebook has helped many Floxies to recover, including DanielCindy and Ruth.  As a bonus, you will also receive The Floxie Food Guide – a book of diet guidelines to help you through fluoroquinolone toxicity:

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18,477 thoughts on “Floxie Hope

  1. Henk Noordhuizen June 16, 2018 at 2:16 am Reply

    Here another article from Dr. Mercola,on fluoride. It has some good links to other usefull sources:

    https://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2010/11/13/cdc-and-ada-now-advise-to-avoid-using-fluoride.aspx

  2. Henk Noordhuizen June 16, 2018 at 2:37 am Reply

    A list of medicines containing fluoride and the dangers:

    https://fluoridealert.org/issues/sources/pharmaceuticals/

    I’ve only one medicine at the moment,flecainide (is on that list). Have to take that because of long term effect of Omeprazole/Losec,used for about 15 years.Never asked for the Losec;my doctor pushed it on me.

  3. Barbara Arnold June 16, 2018 at 3:38 am Reply

    Also I have emailed British TV please will all of you do this as well even if it’s only a few lines as I want as many floxies as possible to be heard and I want to get as much publicity as possible to stop this outrage against us and future victims. Email addresses are gmb@itv.com and thismorning@itv.com
    I have asked everyone on facebook and The Fluorquinolone Toxicity Solution website as this is a world wide outrage, to do this as well. I can’t do this on my own and I think the time is right.
    Thanks

  4. Barbara Arnold June 17, 2018 at 1:49 am Reply

    Here are some other emails I have sent to the British Media gmb@itv.com
    thismorning@itv.com jo_waters15@hotmail.com
    I have asked EVERYONE on social media to email no matter where they are from.
    I want them to be inundated on Monday morning, because I think this could influence the outcome of the FDA hearing if we get enough publicity. I have told them that in spite of the FDA giving a black box warning this poison is still being prescribed. It has got TO STOP. It’s MADNESS. We all have another chance now to get this out there. So please, please, EVERYONE send your story or even just a few lines on the danger’s of fluroquinolones. We have to do this together, they won’t listen to lone voices. Thanks everyone

  5. S June 17, 2018 at 4:35 am Reply

    Hi all, Just a quick question – has any one had to have local anaesthetic? Was lidocaine used and were there any side effects? Also has any one had to have general and what was used? I will possibly need to have a local soon – I’ve thought about not having any anaesthetic but I’m not sure if the doc will allow it. But also in the future if I have general, a lot if not all contain fluoride…?

    • L June 17, 2018 at 9:25 am Reply

      Hi S, all of us react differently, so not sure this will help, but I have had procaine and septocaine with no issues. As for a general, I would just tell them you cannot take fluoride and ask them for one that does not have it. (Hopefully there is one.)

      • s June 18, 2018 at 9:25 am Reply

        Hi L, thanks for letting me know about your experience, still not sure what to do as yet!

        • s June 18, 2018 at 10:46 am

          Don’t seem to be able to reply to your below comment! I can’t have it frozen off unfortunately as it’s really deep underneath the skin I will have to have it cut out :/ lol!

        • L June 18, 2018 at 10:48 am

          damn. Guess just ask for the most benign. (I used to date a flute player who was always concerned about his mouth, so he would get dental work with no anesthetic. I could never do that but then I have a very low pain threshold.)

      • s June 18, 2018 at 10:46 am Reply

        Don’t seem to be able to reply to your below comment! I can’t have it frozen off unfortunately as it’s really deep underneath the skin I will have to have it cut out :/ lol!

      • s June 18, 2018 at 10:48 am Reply

        Also it’s on the NHS so I won’t be paying for it, one good thing about it lol

    • Daniela June 17, 2018 at 4:45 pm Reply

      refloxed from septocaine (articaine+epinephrine) leading to permanent disability

      • L June 17, 2018 at 5:05 pm Reply

        ugh. sorry. I was fine with it. we are all so different. it’s so much of a crap shoot. ditto glutathione. I felt the IVs helped me immensely. Others say they were injured by them. you just have to kind of request something without fluoride or flqs and hope for the best

        • Daniela June 17, 2018 at 5:52 pm

          L, More than one person here has written that they have been hurt by septocaine on Floxie Hope, and myquinstory dot com documents septocaine specifically as being harmful. Forewarned is forearmed.

        • L June 17, 2018 at 6:11 pm

          Again…I was SEVERELY floxed and did fine with it. one size does not fit all

        • Daniela June 17, 2018 at 8:23 pm

          L, At the time you wrote me that you had used mepivicaine, not septocaine/articaine. Septocaine/articaine is much stronger and longer lasting than the other anesthetics; there are many patient complaints.

        • L June 17, 2018 at 9:12 pm

          you must be thinking of someone else. I have never heard of mepivicaine

      • Andrea June 18, 2018 at 2:39 pm Reply

        Sorry Daniela, but let me understand it correclty. You took a shot of septocaine, and you suffer a relapse that led to permanentdisability? Is it correct?

    • Daniela June 17, 2018 at 5:56 pm Reply

      S, I had great results with dental work without anesthesia. It really was LESS painful for a more serious operation! And the dentist said it was much easier to work without it.

      One time I had acupuncture points put on my ears, and one time I didn’t have anything!

      • MHD June 17, 2018 at 10:58 pm Reply

        What ?

      • s June 18, 2018 at 9:28 am Reply

        Hi Daniela, thanks for letting me know – I’m still not sure what to do but I am debating asking for no anaesthetic, it is a mole I am having removed on my arm, not that there is a problem with it at the moment but just to be safe. I’m guessing it will be quite painful without it but I’d rather have an hour of pain than have to go through it all again!

        • L June 18, 2018 at 9:49 am

          since this is for a mole, is there a chance they can freeze it off? That generally requires no anesthetic, or at least a topical one….

        • Don M June 18, 2018 at 10:43 am

          I know I sound cynical but………. freezing is a cheap way to go and most doctors like to do surgery because they can charge more for it. More and complicated procedures make more $$$$ in their pockets.
          Freezing does sound like it could be a good option though.
          I get the freeze treatment every 4 months from a dermatologist. I often wonder if it is for the money or for my better health.

  6. Barbara Arnold June 17, 2018 at 6:56 am Reply

    A couple more email addresses news.desk@express.co.uk and science@theguardian I am sick to death of hearing about new victims EVERY DAY. I am OUTRAGED that this is still happening to people and destroying their lives. Please help stop this and email the media. We have had no publicity in Europe on this. Thanks

  7. Barbara Arnold June 17, 2018 at 7:04 am Reply

    Sorry missed the .com off science@theguardian.com I’m tired been at this all weekend

    • Madge hirsch June 17, 2018 at 11:09 am Reply

      Hi Barbara- have emailed the Guardian as I reckon doctors are more likely to read it than any other paper.

      • Barbara Arnold June 17, 2018 at 10:41 pm Reply

        Thanks Madge I hope that helps. I had in mind if we all sent emails to the same addresses it would make them sit up and think. I wanted them to be flooded this morning as in my opinion loan voices don’t work. Also the EMA hearing is current and we could use that in our emails. I have had lots of good feedback from facebook as I spent the whole weekend posting. Bit dissapointed on here. We have to ALL have do something, even if we are very sick, a few lines can be managed. This continuation of prescribing this POISON is OUTRAGEOUS and the only way to get it stopped is to constantly get it out there at every opportunity. So hopefully those on this site who haven’t already done so, I’m asking again, please just send something even if its only a few lines, THANKS.

        • L June 18, 2018 at 8:45 am

          I put the EMA hearings in the subject line of the email, so it hopefully would get more attention. I know how bombarded papers can be with correspondence. And I am with you 100 percent. We all need to keep pushing and be part of the solution. No one should ever have to endure what we have been through. I can’t even count how many letters/ emails I sent in the US…most seem to have fallen on deaf ears. But my feeling is that it is now on their radar, and the next time they hear about it maybe they will actually take notice and do something.

  8. Barbara Arnold June 17, 2018 at 11:03 am Reply

    Anyone ?

    • L June 17, 2018 at 11:38 am Reply

      just sent something to Slate. will send to others as well

      • L June 17, 2018 at 11:39 am Reply

        ooops I meant the Guardian (had a slate article on my mind re fraud at the FDA)

        • Barbara Arnold June 17, 2018 at 10:42 pm

          Thanks L

  9. Barbara Arnold June 18, 2018 at 4:31 am Reply

    I’ve had one answer so far from the Health journalist Jo Waters Daily Mail who says she will write an artical soon. So anyone who wants to send her your story please do.

  10. Andrea June 18, 2018 at 8:07 am Reply

    Hey guys, I want to send an e mail too, But I don’t really know what to write. Any suggestion on what should I write and how? Like : I’m one of the victim of this powerful drug, I was at the EMA hearing etc…

    • Don M June 18, 2018 at 8:51 am Reply

      The only thing that I can think of it to let them know that you took the time to appear at the hearing and hoped that it was not a waste of your time and energy. That something “WILL” be done to correct the problem.

      My opinion. …… I think that trying to get the Fluoroquinolone antibiotics removed from the market is futile. They have been around too long and they make too much money for the suppliers. It would surely be a HUGE black eye for the drug companies and the complicit doctors and hospitals to admit that it has been all wrong after all these years.
      The only hope is that everyone is educated on what these insidious drugs can do to a person and the doctors and hospitals will act with caution about when to give a Fluoroquinolone antibiotic.
      In my last case up on entering the ER and finding a (suspected) urinary tract infection the very first thing I received was an IV of Levaquin. From there I went home and took a 10 day course of Cipro. It cleared up the problem all right but NO ONE. Not one of the hospital personnel even mentioned the insidiousness of after effects that I could encounter.

      After it was all over I went to the Internet and there I found the truth about Fluoroquinolones.
      As the saying goes “MY BAD”! I should have known better by researching myself.
      Had I been better informed I would have refused that IV bag with Levaquin in it.

    • Barbara Arnold June 18, 2018 at 9:31 am Reply

      Just tell them you were at the hearing and why. Whatever you feel like saying Andrea. I told them the about the hearing and about the victims of these poisonous drugs, and a bit about what happened to me and others worldwide. Also how the FDA black box warning meant nothing as they are still prescribing this poison. I told them it was MADNESS that this is devastating to families, young and old. Tell them you are a pharmacist and you had no idea that these drugs were so poisonous.
      Hope that helps.
      Don’t worry about anything you say, because it’s the TRUTH

      • L June 18, 2018 at 9:51 am Reply

        Since I was not at the hearing (or even in the country!) I just put the hearing in the subject line, and then the entire email was about my hideous experience, noting how many (millions) have been injured and died (300,000). I told them how long the drug companies have been aware of the hideous side effects and how they have not only done nothing to try to help figure out how to fix us, they have fought warnings every step of the way. I called it a crime against humanity.

        • Andrea June 18, 2018 at 3:05 pm

          Thank everyone for the tips.
          But L, I need to tell you something, but please don’t get mad at me, I really don’t want to argue with you, trust me. Your infos have always been so precious to me and to many others on this website. YOU have been so precious for me. So belive me, I’m not trying to argue with you, I can only imagine how much you suffered/are still suffering. I undertand your frustration. Your anger, your desperation. But, I think that sending messages like “crime against humanity” is a little too much. Not because, it couldn’t be true, but because I think it could be counterproductive. We have to be taken seriously by them. For someone (a journalist) who completely ignore these side effects, reading something like that can be misinterpreted. We have to take one step at the time. As Don M pointed out, it’s very unlikely that they remove this s**t from the market. It would be still a huge step, if doctors would start to understand how dangerous these drugs are and most importantly, stop prescribing them for simple infection or in “just in case” scenario, like they did to me. A huge warning on the box, would be already something. Expecially because the only thing that many doctors understand, is a lawsuit. So, if they’ll keep prescribing them, even with all the warnings and the rescrting laws, you can at least sue the f**k out of them. But, like I wrote above, senidng messages that sound too desperate or dramatic, even if you have every right to do so, it could be counterproductive. Just my opinion of course.

        • Don M June 18, 2018 at 5:14 pm

          Very well said Andrea. I agree that everyone (no matter how angry) should stick to the facts. And the world only knows that there are plenty of them.

        • Barbara Arnold June 19, 2018 at 2:44 am

          L come and see my response

  11. Andrea June 18, 2018 at 8:07 am Reply

    OH as always, thanks

  12. L June 18, 2018 at 6:47 pm Reply

    Andrea had you experienced what I did I think you would feel the same. You have no idea what it is like to be asphyxiated by everything in the world. To no be able to breathe without feeling like you are inhaling vats of bleach each time. What it is like to struggle for every breath and feel like you are being suffocated for months. To suddenly lose most people f your vision to sherri you can’t see more that a couple feet and everything is covered with hundreds of little black dots and huge opaque floaters that are like looking through gauze. To lose a fourth of your body weight and need help walking. To be covered in rashes. To have anxiety to where you are frozen, unable to move over and over fir more than a year. To pray for death for most of a year. Yeah. I DO think these are a crime against humanity esp since they have KNOWN for decades and done nothing I cannnot imagine going through anything more terrifying, more hideous. So sorry but yeah. This is a f*ucking crime against humanity. And now I think I need a break from this site. Thanks for the support.

    • Madge hirsch June 20, 2018 at 9:54 am Reply

      It is the global activity of big Pharma that is a crime against humanity. They do not exist for the good of mankind but to make money and they don’t care how they make it. Fluoroquinolones are just one example of their evil. Statins are another. Useless psych drugs that do more harm than good. Epilepsy drugs that are doled out to pregnant women that damage the foetus etc etc. Please do not go away L . Your contributions are much valued.

      • Don M June 20, 2018 at 10:01 am Reply

        Your short post hit the nail squarely on the head!!! It is more about money than it is the good of the world. They have done a great job (propaganda) of convincing most everyone that is for the good of the world and not money.

      • Barbara Arnold June 20, 2018 at 10:26 pm Reply

        Right on Madge

  13. Barbara Arnold June 18, 2018 at 10:00 pm Reply

    Not taking any sides, but sometimes the FACTS are not listened to with the sofly lets all be pleasant approach. Sometimes it has to be said like it really is, and yes in my opinion it is a crime against humanity and they have gotten away with it for to long and are still getting away with it. I think both approaches are valid and we are all entitled to say it like it is in our own way. A measured response is great and some of us are very good at that, others react in a more passionate way, I include myself in this. L has suffered what no human being should have suffered and it’s completely understandable for her to feel so strongly. She has every right to say it like she feels. It’s also good that Bettan and others can balance out our feelings in a different way. They also have the right to say it their way. We are not here to please the EMA, journalists or anyone else. We honestly don’t know what will get us publicity,
    Sensational headline’s ie..A crime against humanity, or Fluroquinolones are poison, or A bad reaction to fluroquinolone antibiocticts etc
    We are all doing the best we can, so lets stick together on this and support each other along the way.
    Come on back L missing you already xx

    • Barbara June 19, 2018 at 12:20 am Reply

      Sorry Andrea not Bettan both are Spanish. I got mixed up in my post

      • Barbara June 19, 2018 at 12:25 am Reply

        Don,. L always sticks to facts.

  14. Barbara Arnold June 19, 2018 at 2:43 am Reply

    Jane Allen who was at the hearing has just described it as ‘ It’s a crime against humanity,’ on facebook, on fluroquinolone toxicity in Europe. Our system here is different than the US but our suffering is not. It is still being prescribed in the US despite TWO black box warnings, so obviously it’s not working. We have to be different. The EMA as I understand it makes recommendation to the governing bodie’s in each European Country. Ours in the UK is N.I.C.E No drug gets approved without them.

  15. Barbara Arnold June 19, 2018 at 2:50 am Reply

    Correction…(floxy brain) I have just been told it’s the MHRA that the EMA gives their recommendations to not N.I.C.E Each Country has their own, it’s on the EMA website.

    • Madge hirsch June 20, 2018 at 10:01 am Reply

      One of the interesting things to come out of the hearing was that the UK has cut back on FQ prescribing because they realised they were contributing to an increase in c. dfficile infection in the elderly and they just do not have the hospital beds to cope. But that does not mean they are not still dishing them out to young people and ruing their lives.

      • Daniela June 20, 2018 at 1:57 pm Reply

        That’s not very patient-centred!

  16. Andrea June 19, 2018 at 4:41 am Reply

    L,
    I’d like to respond to you, but I feel like everything I’d say right now, would be just misinterpreted. Anyway, trust me, I didn’t want to offend you or underestimate your struggle. Just understand that I wrote what I wrote, because I think that was the best way to act if we want to see some changes in the near future. Maybe I’m wrong. But this is just my opinion. Please, keep posting on this website. Nobody is antagonizing you.

    • Don M June 19, 2018 at 6:31 am Reply

      Andrea……….. Stick with your opinion. Everyone has an opinion. Is their opinion 100% right? According to others…. NO! But that does not mean that your opinion is not valid.
      I agree that Fluoroquinolones are an “assault on humanity” but they are here and have been for many years. Good or bad they will most likely continue to be available. My opinion is that assaulting the drug or the drug companies with negative remarks will get us all no where. No amount of persecution of the drug companies will be beneficial. The effects that these drugs can produce are devastatingly insidious. That is an indisputable fact! Were the drug companies wrong for making the drugs? Are they wrong for continuing to produce the drugs? Maybe. Ridicule and negative remarks tend to fall on deaf ears and be ignored when there is too much of it. Facts. That is where the concentrated effort should be. Personal stories are undisputed facts.
      The direction we need to be pursuing is education. Educating the doctors, the hospitals and anyone else who administers Fluoroquinolones about what they “could” be about to do to a person if they use this antibiotic. Above all the people who will be prescribed the Fluoroquinolone antibiotics need to be fully informed. It ultimately rests on the person being “FULLY”informed and making the yes or no decision and being firm about it.
      What I see as the take away from this is that you can not trust the doctor or the medical establishment any more. Sad….but it appears to be true. The world must know the truth about these and many other drugs. The controlling agencies of the world must step forward and do more than “put a black box warning” on the packaging. It is amazing to me to see the amount of clueless, uninformed ambivalence about this antibiotic prevalent in the medical world. Shameful!

      • Barbara Arnold June 19, 2018 at 7:27 am Reply

        Don M what was being talked about here was emails to the British media, not the drug or the drug companies. So the statement “Crime against Humanity” to me is a great headline for a journalist, as you probably know they love sensationalism. I personally have contacted Bayer Spain in a very measured manner and got absolutely nowhere, except to be told SIX TIMES to go back to my Doctor even though I told them SIX TIMES, my Doctor had no knowledge of the side effects and no idea what to do about them. So like you said we all have our own opinions and like I said they are all valid, but I really don’t think criticisng other floxies for the way they express themselve’s is helpful. I personally am very grateful to L for taking the time to contact the British media, and however she felt like doing that was fine with me, because they would probably receive a multitude of varying opinions, all valid. L has contributed to this site many times in a very helpful way and I for one would not criticise the way she expresses herself even if I may not always agree with her or others on here.
        This is my opinion.

  17. Daniela June 19, 2018 at 8:42 pm Reply

    Andrea, You asked me about septocaine. Thank you for recognising me!

    Yes, it was an immediate severe reaction upon injection that hasn’t gone away for many, many years. It really resembles brain damage, in addition to all the terrible floxing symptoms I already had. I didn’t know it could get that much worse!

    I thought it was because I was heavily overdosed with both cipro and septocaine by doctors who were racist and aggressive. But so many people wrote me on this forum and elsewhere that they also had bad relapses from septocaine.

    My theory is it’s not a good idea to “cross the blood brain barrier.”

    • Andrea June 20, 2018 at 3:49 am Reply

      Thanks a lot Daniela. It’s scary, isn’t it? To be afraid that everything, even a simple shot of anesthetic could give us so many bad reactions. I really don’t know what to think. What if, I have to go undergo surgery. What am I supposed to do? Tell them “ehy, I was floxed a year ago, can I safely take this drug?” we already know these doctors know nothing and can’t help us…

      • s June 20, 2018 at 7:18 am Reply

        This is my dilemma right now, I don’t know who to go to? GP won’t be able to advise more than likely, I guess I could ask for a very low/child dose of lidocaine which is reportedly ok? That’s local but for general that’s another issue, I’ve looked at the myquinstory website but at the end of the day everyone’s different :/

        • Daniela June 20, 2018 at 7:50 am

          They can rub the the lidocaine on the skin. The real problem is getting them to agree to do that because they have to work faster.

      • Daniela June 20, 2018 at 7:48 am Reply

        I read septocaine is not a simple shot but a mandibular block and they used a huge syringe on me. I don’t know if that helps.

        Maybe the safe alternatives are already there. Maybe we need to go back to our grandparents and great grandparents and take another path. Like diplomacy instead of A bomb-Hbomb-nuclear bomb.

        I hate that the leaflet says, Stop taking if you notice any side effects. I say, I had the side effects, so what is the alternative? Or, I don’t want the side effects, let’s go straight to the alternative. But the only response is denying that I had the side effects. Angrily!

        Andrea, you have a source in your family. Can you investigate the alternatives with them? They would support you in refusing fq’s. Can you work with them to plan a course of action and a list of possible treatments for common infections to avoid antibiotics? And please tell us what they say, for example:

        simple bacterial ear infection
        bronchitis
        uti
        etc etc

        Excuse me for putting so many different thoughts in one message!

        • Andrea June 20, 2018 at 9:09 am

          Daniela, sorry but I don’t think I completely understood the last part of your post. Can you please put it in a more understandable way. Sorry, but my english is still improving.

        • Andrea June 20, 2018 at 9:17 am

          “Andrea, you have a source in your family”. If you mean my parents, as you probably already know by now, I think they don’t know much about alternative treaments. They’re doctors, and even if they’re old school doctors (I mean they are both very careful while prescribing medicines) they mostly know offcial treatments eg : antibiotics, paracetamol, NSAIDs and so on. But I can still try to ask them at least their opinion. But I can’t guarantee anything.

    • Dee June 20, 2018 at 8:57 am Reply

      Andrea. What kind of reaction did you actually have to the septocaine that stayed permanent? What kind of dental procedure were you getting to give you that much anesthesia? How long after you were floxed did you get the procedure done?? That is just so scary!! I’m sorry that happened to you…

      • Andrea June 20, 2018 at 9:06 am Reply

        I think you meant Daniela

        • Dee June 20, 2018 at 9:44 am

          Yes you are right!! Sorry!

          Daniela!! See message above to Andrea
          My bad on mixing you up!

  18. Daniela June 20, 2018 at 1:37 pm Reply

    Dee, So many people wrote me with similar experiences. So it’s all over the place.

    No anaesthesia was much easier and less painful for me. Much less painful than shoulder tearing, knees, hips, fingers etc etc etc etccccc

  19. Daniela June 20, 2018 at 1:55 pm Reply

    Andrea, yes, you were able to understand me perfectly. In the 1920s when penicillin was discovered, medicine changed dramatically.

    But would you ask them about an otitis externa?

    I am desperately seeking assistance and advice as I cannot bring myself to administer ofloxacin into a little one’s ear. This is such a horrible situation! What if I make the wrong choice? I cannot give a dangerous medication, but I also cannot let it get worse.

    For myself I would use garlic oil, etc, but I am at a loss for someone else.

    • Henk Noordhuizen June 20, 2018 at 2:09 pm Reply

      What is wrong with the little one’s ear,Daniela? If it is an ear infection, (strong) camomile tea works fine and is very safe.Very important: keep the ears dry while bathing the kid,and NEVER use cotton swabs!

    • Henk Noordhuizen June 20, 2018 at 2:15 pm Reply

      Sorry;forgot to tell you how to administer the tea. Put it in the ear with a dropper and ley it stay in there for 10-15 minutes. Then put the child on thge side of the problem to let the tea come out,and,when done,put a cotton ball into the ear to get the remaining moisture out.Repeat this 1 or 2 times (3 x per day). Colloidal or Ionic silverwater will do great as well.

    • Henk Noordhuizen June 20, 2018 at 2:18 pm Reply

      And never put anything,cotton swab,cotton ball (to keep the ear dry),or anything else,deeper in an ear then you can reach with your little finger;the inner lining of the ear is very sensitive.

      • Daniela June 20, 2018 at 2:46 pm Reply

        Thank you so much, Henk! The infection was cultured, it is bacterial not yeast or anything else. I think it is also called swimmer’s ear. And it is definitely outer ear, not deep in the ear. But still painful.

        Please keep remembering these remedies, everyone.

        My sister said the vet gave her pets (cat and very small dog) ofloxacin as well. Would this remedy work for them as well?

        • Don M June 20, 2018 at 4:31 pm

          My 2 cents. Ofloxacin is a Fluoroquinolone. I……. personally would never subject my pet to the potentials of a Fluoroquinolone. Their life could be as miserable as people are saying and you wonder why they are acting as they do. Vets love Fluoroquinolones just like human doctors do and most are as clueless as human doctors are about the bad effects. NO Fluoroquinolones “for ANYONE” ever!

        • Don M June 20, 2018 at 4:43 pm

          I have given my cats Colloidal Silver both internally and topically and it has appeared to work as well as the antibiotics. I put an ounce or two in their water jar at every fill and never see a speck of algae. Colloidal Silver has never been known to kill or cripple anyone when used in moderation. As modern’s we don’t hear about how Colloidal Silver was a “go to” before antibiotics came along. Colloidal Silver is under rated and ridiculed by the drug companies because it is a “natural” and can not be patented for big profits. Again…. My 2 cents.

        • Don M June 20, 2018 at 4:49 pm

          Modern science has been looking into Colloidal Silver and finding that when used concomitantly with other antibiotics it enhances their effectiveness and actually rejuvenated some that have become ineffective against pathogens. Google it.
          There is a lot of information on the subject. Again…. My 2 cents.

        • Daniela June 20, 2018 at 5:00 pm

          Thank you Don, that’s more than two cents!!!!! I saved your recipe from earlier. Thank you so much!!!!

        • Henk Noordhuizen June 21, 2018 at 3:28 am

          The ear infection of dogs is often caused by an ear mite infection,so you have to get rid of the mites first. This might be done,first,clean the ears very well,and than rubbing some tea tree oil,evt. mixed with an other oil like almond oil, in the ear (mites hate tea tree oil).After the mites have gone the infection,most of the time,clear up without any help.If not,try the camomila tea,and/or Ionic Silver water. The Ionic Silver works better for topic use than the Colloidal form,according to recent research.

          The dog won’t like the sensation of the TT-oil;and better first try if it’s not allergic,by putting just a tiny drop on his skin and wait for 1 hour to see if the skin ihas not become red and swollen.Same goes for humans because some people,too,are allergic to tea tree oil.

        • Daniela June 21, 2018 at 8:09 am

          Thanks Henk! She tried olive oil with garlic infused in it for the pet, and it got better! I think it must be a similar action. We’re looking into the silver solutions, too.

    • Andrea June 20, 2018 at 2:52 pm Reply

      Ok Daniela. Tomorrow I’ll ask my mother what does she thinks about it. Anyway, I can tell you that, as far as I know, at least here in Italy, prescribing fluoroquinolones to people under age 18 is AGAINST THE LAW. Me personally I wouldn’t even remotely consider it. Who prescribe it to the little guy? Where do you live? Anyway, if you don’t know what to do, your safest bet, is to go to your doctor, explain to him/her that you don’t want to use a FQ and see what he/she can do about it.

      • Daniela June 20, 2018 at 4:57 pm Reply

        Definitely not illegal for babies in the U.S. I see the recommendation now is for 6 months of age or older, but we definitely got it before that. And the doctors here do not like to be questioned!

        So this is a simple question then for a paediatrician or doctor in Italy. Yes, please ask your mother because obviously the whole country of Italy is successfully treating children with outer ear infections. Thank you so much!!!

      • Daniela June 21, 2018 at 7:54 am Reply

        Hey, Andrea, Forgive me, I think they would not be allowed to diagnose over the internet! I can see magazine articles from Italy. If you want to write some general tips, that’s fine.
        But obviously fq’s are not the only solution if they are not given to babies, who have the most ear infections.

  20. Andrea June 21, 2018 at 9:31 am Reply

    Hey Daniela, of course I can’t give you any prescription. I can’t and I don’t want to. But if you’re asking me to tell you a general advice, I think I can do that. Anyway, I don’t know if it’s completely true or not, but I remember reading an article that said in the UK the only cases you can treat a toddler with a FQ are Anthrax infecion and plague. Not sure of the source anyway, but if it’s true you can judge by yourself…But let me understand it better, did your child already took a fq?
    PS my mother is a pediatrician.

  21. Andrea June 21, 2018 at 9:32 am Reply

    Sorry not prescription, I meant cure, diagnosis or anything else. I can just ask my mother what she would do. then you can spoke to your doctor about it.

  22. Andrea June 21, 2018 at 10:09 am Reply

    All right Daniela.
    This is NOT a prescription, nor a cure I’m giving you or anything like that. I’m just reporting to you the opinion of a pediatrician who didn’t visit the child.
    Anyway, she says that, in case of an outer infection, which, if not treated correclty, could degenerate in something more serious, the first treatment most pediatricians (at least here in Italy) reccomend is Amoxicillin/clavulanic acid. Here in Italy the commercial name is Augmentin. I repeat. I’M NOT TELLING YOU WHAT TO DO. I’m just reporting some opinion/facts. I suggest you to talk to your doctor about it, anyway. And, whatever your decision is, READ everything you can about what you’re going to give to your child.
    PS I asked about natural treatment. She knew nothing about it.
    Please keep me updated.

  23. Andrea June 21, 2018 at 10:10 am Reply

    PPS To Lisa, I hope I diddn’t break any rules or rule of condcut in my previous post. Please let me know. Thank you.

    • Daniela June 21, 2018 at 10:27 am Reply

      Mille grazie! I am very grateful.

      • Andrea June 21, 2018 at 2:11 pm Reply

        You’re welcome. But please as I said before keep me updated ok?

  24. Jim June 21, 2018 at 6:03 pm Reply

    Has anyone taken painkillers since floxing? I have a tooth extraction coming that I’ll need to take something for.

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