Floxie Hope

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This site is to give HOPE to those who are suffering from Fluoroquinolone Toxicity Syndrome as a result of being poisoned by fluoroquinolone antibiotics – Cipro, Levaquin, Avelox, Floxin, etc.  It contains stories of healing.

Cipro, Levaquin, Avelox and all other fluoroquinolones are dangerous drugs that can have devastating effects that cumulatively I’ll refer to as Fluoroquinolone Toxicity Syndrome or Floxing.  Fluoroquinolone Toxicity Syndrome/Floxing includes damage to connective tissue (tendons, ligaments, cartilage, fascia, etc.) throughout the body, damage to the nervous systems (central, peripheral and autonomic), and more. The damage done by fluoroquinolone antibiotics can destroy a person’s quality of life or even kill them. Certainly, there is a time and a place for drugs with dangerous side effects. If you find yourself in a septic shock induced coma, fluoroquinolones may save your life. Unfortunately, these drugs are not being reserved for life or death situations. People are being prescribed them for urinary tract infections, suspected prostate infections, upper respiratory infections, as a prophylactic for travelers’ diarrhea, ear infections, pink eye, etc. Thousands of people have suffered needlessly from the devastating effects of fluoroquinolone antibiotics, when another, safer antibiotic could have, and should have, been used.

The damage done by fluoroquinolones is largely unacknowledged by the medical establishment and an accurate diagnosis, compensation and relief are difficult to come by. There is no known cure for Fluoroquinolone Toxicity Syndrome/Floxing.  However, many people continue to LIVE after being poisoned by fluroquinolones.  They find healing, recovery, perseverance, compassion and hope.  These are their stories.

This site is meant to give hope for healing to those who are adversely effected by fluoroquinolones.  It is no way meant to disregard the pain of those who are chronically suffering from the horrifying effects of Cipro, Levaquin, Avelox or the other fluoroquinolones.  There are people who don’t recover.  Their stories are real and they matter.  There are also people who are able to recover and I share their stories with the hope that they inspire others, or at least give hope that recovery is possible.

Here is a New York Times article about the dangers of fluoroquinolone antibiotics – http://well.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/09/10/popular-antibiotics-may-carry-serious-side-effects/?_r=0 – more news stories, research papers and other resources can be found on the “Links and Resources” page.

Here is a Facebook group that is a great resource for those going through Fluoroquinolone Toxicity – https://www.facebook.com/groups/floxies/

Featured post – I’m floxed. Now what?

The Fluoroquinolone Toxicity Solution Ebook has helped many Floxies to recover, including DanielCindy and Ruth.  As a bonus, you will also receive The Floxie Food Guide – a book of diet guidelines to help you through fluoroquinolone toxicity:

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  1. Andrea March 12, 2020 at 1:02 pm Reply

    Hey guys, one thing I think I’ve never shared with you, (Henk expecially, you should be interested, since you’re Dutch) is that in the last few months I’ve been trying the Wim Hoff method, which is basically : meditation, brething techniques and cold exposure, for his supposedly health/immune system benefits. Cold exposure is the only thing I’ve been really practicing till now. The other two, a little less. But since the end of Novemebr, I’ve been taking cold showers everyday. Well, of course I live in a pretty warm area, so cold water here, even in winter, means 14-15 degree celsius (57-59 F.), so not really that cold, but still pretty refreshing, to say the least. At the beginning it was brutal for me, but after a little while, it became almost addicting. Sometimes I alternate hot and cold water exposure, (always finishing with cold water), and, even if I didn’t noticed all the benefits the WHM is supposed to give, I defenetly feel better afterwards, compared to how I felt after a typical warm shower.. I was even going to bath in the sea lately, and it was even better. I was taking short baths (2-3 minutes) and then I warmed up again on the beach. But now, with this pandemic, I can’t do that anymore. Anyway. there’s a lot of information about cold exposure and/or contrast therapy (hot and cold) and its benefits on immune system and longevity.
    Let me know what you think about it. Have a nice day/night everyone.

    • L March 12, 2020 at 1:13 pm Reply

      What a concidence! At my last IV, my ND was really touting its benefits (the cold exposure). I had heard about it a couple years ago, and had forgotten until he brought it up.

      • Andrea March 12, 2020 at 1:23 pm Reply

        Well L, now that I think about it, if you have all those breathing problems, it could be an issues for you. Cold exposure, makes you hyperventilate, at least at the beginning, that’s why it’s so important to learn how to control your breathe during the shower/bath. I really hope, if you decide to try it, that it’ll give you its supposed benefits, but I don’t want to have suggested somenthing that could hurt you.
        Anyway, for this summer I was even thinking of buying a small inflatable thub and starting with ice baths 🙂

        • L March 12, 2020 at 1:40 pm

          Oh thanks for the concern. I have total faith in my ND and he would never suggest something that would not be good. And the breathing issue is completely related to an overproduction of phlegm. But honestly, I HATE cold. IF the shower is cold even briefly, I can’t wait to stop it. Not sure I would be able to get through this protocol.

        • Henk Noordhuizen March 12, 2020 at 2:15 pm

          Hi Andrea,I’m gonna do some research on this Wim Hoff method later.

          For most people around me,the only acceptable way of using ice is to mix it with a high quality whiskey ;-)) Just kidding :-))

        • Andrea March 12, 2020 at 2:51 pm

          L, I’ve always suffered from raynaud’s phenomenon, so I completely understand you when you write that you hate cold. I understand it could seem counterproductive to expose yourself to cold if you have such problem, but it’s not always the case. It’s a gradual, controlled exposure to cold, anyway, and the raynaud’s was one of the main reason I started it. I hated it when I first started, but like I wrote earlier, I kinda become addcited to it. The theory behind cold exposure (and many other “extreme” therapies) it’s that it’s a form of “good” stress, just like physical activity, so your body adapts to it, and eventually it will get stronger. I was also looking into floor sleeping (with a footon), they say at the beginning is terrible, but after a little while, not only you’ll never want to sleep on a mattress again, but also your spine will benefits from it. I’ve never tried it though, so I can’t really share anything about it…

        • L March 12, 2020 at 3:03 pm

          I may give it a shot. (Although it is cool and rainy here today and all I can think of “I want to be warm.”

        • Andrea March 12, 2020 at 3:00 pm

          Oh, and another thing, regarding the overproduction of phlegm, I encourage you to give up ANY KIND of dairy, for at least 2 weeks and see what happens. In my personal experience, but I’ve heard a lot of people have the same reaction, whenever I give up dairy all my body “waste”, sorry for not finding a better word to describing it, anyway I’m talking about : phlegm, mucus from the nose, earwax, pimples, blackheads, oily skin, greatly diminish. Just try to avoid it for a couple of weeks, and see what happens.

        • L March 12, 2020 at 3:06 pm

          Trust me I have done anything and everything to combat this. Haven’t had dairy for years. (except on occasion I will do goats milk kefir or cheese and neither makes any difference.) I have as I mentioned an full 8 1/2 x 11 paper, single spaced, of everything I have done.

        • Henk Noordhuizen March 12, 2020 at 3:12 pm

          I agree,here;diary products make plegm thick and sticky;every astma patient knows,or should know that.

        • Andrea March 12, 2020 at 4:06 pm

          Sorry to read that L

    • Henk Noordhuizen March 12, 2020 at 3:10 pm Reply

      Wim Hoff method, “Henk expecially, you should be interested, since you’re Dutch”

      I’m not that chauvinistic,Andrea,and I never heard of this guy and his method before.But,after you made me curious,I did a quick research and it didn’t take long before I found some interesting info: at least three of his pupils are found dead in a swimming pool.They all had a “shallow water blackout”;drawned shortly after they’d done the Wim Hoff breathing techniques.This sometimes leads to temporary black-outs,and should not be done in a swimmingpool,bath,car and other places where fainting could be dangerous.

      The man,himself is very carefull,not to do any real medical claims.His son,in doing the promotional work,is a bit less carefull,but since there’s hardley any scientific research done,untill now,better be carefull!

      You amaze me,time after time,Andrea,finding this kind of stuff :-))

      • Andrea March 12, 2020 at 4:04 pm Reply

        Well Henk, I don’t konw if you’re chauvinistic or not, but I just thought that, since W.H. is Dutch, you could’ve heard of him already. Anyway, I just wanted to share my personal experience with you all, since I kinda benefit from it (well just a little at least).
        In his website and in his videos, he sometimes advices about the dangers of cold exposure ( warns about hypotermia expecially), but anyway, my post, like I wrote ealrier, wasn’t absolutely meant to advertise this method, just sharing my personal experience. I’ve never went too extreme with it. I’ve just tried some meditation, some of his breathing technique (I belive it’s mostly from yoga, so nothing new under the sun) and cold showers, something I wanted to try way before even knowing the WHM.
        As I wrote in one of my last posts, cold/contrast therapy, has defently some benefits. This doesn’t mean you have to jump into an iced lake out of the blue, of course. Many athleats swear by its benefits ( I remember, years ago, when i could run without any problem, I tried ice baths a couple of times, only my legs actually, after running) and there’s mounting evidence (backed by science) that it could be beneficial, among other things, for blood circulation and even for depression : taking a cold shower it’s mentally tough, and, I can confirm this, so rewarding afterwards. Many wellness centers/saunas place, offer the option of cold water after a sauna. Finnish people are famous for jumping direclty in the snow after a few minutes in the sauna. Even in my town, which is a pathetic provincial town, you can find a cryotherapy center. Anyway, I repeat :
        I DON’T ADVICE ANYONE TO TRY THE WIM HOFF METHOD, i JUST WANTED TO SHARE MY EXPERIENCE.

        “You amaze me,time after time,Andrea,finding this kind of stuff :-))”
        I supposed it means I amuse you, because I’m open minded and I just like to try different stuff. You probably think I’m guillable or some kind of dummy, right?

        • L March 12, 2020 at 4:58 pm

          I appreciate you sharing this. Like I said, my ND, who literally saved my life, was very enthusiastic about it. And you know, many out there would scoff at IV nutrient therapy, or pulsed electromagnetic therapy or red light therapy or water only fasts. We cannot all know what is out there until someone shares it with us or we happen to discover it while researching our issues. So thank you for sharing…and keep doing it! https://yourwellnessnerd.com/wim-hof-method-everyday-uses/

        • Andrea March 12, 2020 at 5:34 pm

          Thanks L.
          You’re always very kind,
          Please, whatever you decide, either cold showers or ice bath, or whatever, just be careful with it. Sometimes, in the hoping of feeling better we end up doing more harm to ourselves than good (see my experience with that probiotic)

        • Henk Noordhuizen March 13, 2020 at 1:49 am

          Andrea,although I never heard of the W.H. method,I have quite a bit of (nasty) experience with the cold/contrast method.In my teens I developped a severe bronchitus;couldn’t climt the stairs in our home in one time but had to pause halfway because I was out of breath.Pause at the first floor,and pause,halfway the second stairs,before I reached the second floor,and my sleeping room.

          Then,our doctor,himself an asthma patient,just like my mom,advised her to let me take ice-cold showers.Well;that wasn’t a problem:our “shower” was a little room between kitchen,second kitchen.store room,and the backside of our house.about 1 m2,and in winter there were ice flowers on the window in the room to the backside/garden.This door was also in very bad condition,and the wind was entering the shower room through all the gaps around that door.Can you imagine how it felt,when my mother,in the kitchen,turned the shower water to (ice-)cold,without even warning me?Those cold water shocks,so,the theory told,should make me take an enormously deep breath (which it did),and thereby enlarge my lungs (which it didn’t!).

          These terrible experiences lasted untill I descided to not take a shower anymore,especially not in winter,but instead,washing myself in the kitchen(where the water heater was),with the warm water in full control of myself.Teasing my mom with my nakedness,and telling her that that was the way I was born,so,what could be wrong with that,the lord himself having created me that way?In fact,I was extremely shy,but just not in the company of my own mother.End of the cold water experiment :-))

          I appreciate,you,sharing this info,Andrea,don’t get me wrong! But after your experiments with that pro-bioticum (while I advised you the Lactospore,because so many people have good experiences with it),and the Tesla chair (after I told you about magnetic pulsing,NOT magnetic waves),my first though was: “”What,on earth,has he found,now?”.

          By the way: I hate the fact that so many unreliable companies like to use names like NikolaTesla and Bob Beck,who not only were brilliant minds,but both also didn’t care for the money.For both of them,improvement of human life,and health was the main goal of their lifes,

          “”You amaze me,time after time,Andrea,finding this kind of stuff :-))”
          I supposed it means I amuse you, because I’m open minded and I just like to try different stuff.”

          Well,im surprised,time after time,of you finding these kind of dubious methods,which give most people an uncomfortable feeling right away,and you go for it.Both the probiotics course (which I never heard of),and the Tesla chair didn’t do your health any good.To the contrary,and when you shared the W.H. method (being a dutchman,I never heard of it),and one of the first things I found was,that 3 people died after using his breathing technics,well,yes;to be honest,I was,again suprised,ánd a bit amused :-))

          “You probably think I’m guillable or some kind of dummy, right?”

          Absolutely NOT! I dó think you’re a bit stubborn,and like to do things your own way,and I see how this sometimes works the opposite of what you were hoping for.Well,I WAS quite a bit stubborn,in my younger days,and that,sometimes,proved to work opposite to what I was hoping for.That’s,how LIFE learned me to put my obstinacy aside and respect the wisdom of other people a little bit more.

        • Henk Noordhuizen March 13, 2020 at 2:05 am

          The cold/contrast technique is not a W.H. invention;it is used in sauna’s for ages.And the breathing technique is at least as old,in yoga called “Pranayama”.Only to be practiced under the observant eye of a certified yoga master,áfter you have yourself mastered the basic yoga technicques (which takes years!).Why? Because these techniques are very risky,if not done the right way.

          Most of the safety warnings on the W.H. website are put there AFTER those three people died,and since that time,W.H. himself is very reluctant to claim any medical gain from his techniques..Please,be carefull and stay safe!

        • Henk Noordhuizen March 13, 2020 at 2:27 am

          Here,today’s article by Mercola,about the health profits of contrast therapy and (daily) sauna,and other ancient techniques that proved to be very usefull for keeping,or getting optimal health:

          https://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2020/03/13/ancient-wellness.aspx?cid_source=dnl&cid_medium=email&cid_content=art1HL&cid=20200313Z2&et_cid=DM478081&et_rid=828359683

        • Henk Noordhuizen March 13, 2020 at 2:29 am
        • Andrea March 13, 2020 at 9:34 am

          Hey Henk, are you playing stupid trying to be a smartass now?

          1 “I appreciate,you,sharing this info,Andrea,don’t get me wrong! But after your experiments with that pro-bioticum (while I advised you the Lactospore,because so many people have good experiences with it),and the Tesla chair (after I told you about magnetic pulsing,NOT magnetic waves),my first though was: “”What,on earth,has he found,now?”.”
          I never took probiotics before being floxed, and only after reading here, how many of us benefited form them. I gave them a try, so I was influenced by all the positive comments on here. I did a big mistake, by trying that enterelle crap, also because of that slimy naturopath, who, just because she wanted to sell one of her products, told me all the good things about that particular product, while hiding the dangers (she then “remembered”, after the mess was done, that that probiotic, was indeed very powerful and harsh on your gut flora). But anyway, if you remember correctly, you just suggested to try the lactospore from bulk powders, only after my gut flora was compromised, so you advised nothing! what you just wrote, implies that you suggested something, I didn’t listen to you and end up hurting my self. Wrong! I did try the lactospore, after you suggested it, but it never helped much. just a little at the beginning, but then it soon started to bloat me again. The Tesla Chair? I’ve never belived much in magnetic therapy, but after reading time after time of your incredible success with the Sota pulser, I started to get interested in it. At the time, I couldn’t afford to buy one, since it’s very expensive, but when accidentally, I found that in my town, there was someone practicing magnetic therapy, expecially meant to treat urological/pelvic floor issues, I gave it a try. Is it so crazy to you? For someone like me, who doesn’t konw jack s**t about magnetic pulsation or waves, it sounded like a good compromise.
          2 “The cold/contrast technique is not a W.H. invention;it is used in sauna’s for ages.And the breathing technique is at least as old,in yoga called “Pranayama”.Only to be practiced under the observant eye of a certified yoga master,áfter you have yourself mastered the basic yoga technicques (which takes years!).Why? Because these techniques are very risky,if not done the right way.”
          Like I wrote at the beginning, I think you’re playing dumb here, trying to be smart. You’ve just repeated what I’ve already wrote. It was clear that I already knew that WH, didn’t invent anything, i was just inspired by him to try cold therapy again : ” I’ve just tried some meditation, some of his breathing technique (I belive it’s mostly from yoga, so nothing new under the sun) and cold showers, something I wanted to try way before even knowing the WHM.
          As I wrote in one of my last posts, cold/contrast therapy, has defently some benefits. This doesn’t mean you have to jump into an iced lake out of the blue, of course. Many athleats swear by its benefits ( I remember, years ago, when i could run without any problem, I tried ice baths a couple of times, only my legs actually, after running) and there’s mounting evidence (backed by science) that it could be beneficial, among other things, for blood circulation and even for depression : taking a cold shower it’s mentally tough, and, I can confirm this, so rewarding afterwards. Many wellness centers/saunas place, offer the option of cold water after a sauna. Finnish people are famous for jumping direclty in the snow after a few minutes in the sauna. Even in my town, which is a pathetic provincial town, you can find a cryotherapy center.”
          Hello??? Do you really belive I thought WH was the first guy to have used cold exposure for its alleged benefits?
          3 “Well,im surprised,time after time,of you finding these kind of dubious methods,which give most people an uncomfortable feeling right away,and you go for it.Both the probiotics course (which I never heard of),and the Tesla chair didn’t do your health any good.To the contrary,and when you shared the W.H. method (being a dutchman,I never heard of it),and one of the first things I found was,that 3 people died after using his breathing technics,well,yes;to be honest,I was,again suprised,ánd a bit amused :-))” Dubious methods? Why the hell is cold or contrast therapy dubious to you, compared to a freakin magnetic pulser or a water ozonator ? Why are you so sure about those things and so dubious about soemhting that it has been used for a long time before those inventions? By the way, I’m not critcizing them, nor I think they’re useless, I’m just criticizing your opinionated and know-it-all attitude.
          4 “I have quite a bit of (nasty) experience with the cold/contrast method”. Of course you’ve had a bad experience with “cold therapy” as a teen. You were suffering from bronchitis and you just started to take freezaing cold showers without any control or any idea on how to do it right.(not saying it would have been the right thing to do anyway). When I first started, I was taking a normal warm shower, and then just quickly rinse myself for about 30 seconds to a minute with cold water. Then I slowly increased the time, and now I can take a full 10 minutes cold shower without any problem. So, as you can see, once again, you’re trying to make look my experience “dubious” or silly, just by comparing it with your absolutely wrong experience. Not quite right, don’t you think?
          5 “You probably think I’m guillable or some kind of dummy, right?”

          “Absolutely NOT! I dó think you’re a bit stubborn,and like to do things your own way,and I see how this sometimes works the opposite of what you were hoping for.Well,I WAS quite a bit stubborn,in my younger days,and that,sometimes,proved to work opposite to what I was hoping for.That’s,how LIFE learned me to put my obstinacy aside and respect the wisdom of other people a little bit more.”
          Yes you do. Be honest here… 9 times out of 10, when you write something, I’ve always the feeling that you’re patronizing someone, always trying to look smarter and wiser than the others. I really think you’re very arrogant sometimes, and frankly, I can’t stand your atrocious sense of humur and your awful jokes.

          PS One thing I’ve never understood : you always critcize big pharma (of course, I do too) and I remember, when I tryied that fasting mimicking diet from Valter Longo, you were quite “dubious”, then why are you so sure about Mercola? He’s another one who spread useful informations, sure, but also sells his highly expensive supplements. Why is he on the good guys list to you?

        • L March 13, 2020 at 12:11 pm

          The things you mentioned trying are very good. I don’t know anything about Enterelle, but EVERYONE can benefit from probiotics, not just us gut-damaged people. The healthy microbiome are essential not just to the gut but to everything. And they compromised not just from antibiotics but diet as well. They have linked unhealthy microbiome to almost every major disease you can think of, including cancer, Parkinson, MS and even Alzheimer’s (those little suckers (the bad microbiome) travel up the vagus nerve to the brain.) So while that particular one may not have been good, you’re wanting to take a probiotic is exactly right. I will take them for life now (and prebiotics are also good. Just as you can get probiotics from fermented foods, you can also get prebiotics from foods like jicama.)

          AS for the PEMF (pulsed electro magnetic field therapy, this is also very useful for a number of things. I used it almost every time I got an IV. Some of the benefits are pain relief, bone healing, improved blood circulation, nerve repair. Dr Mercola even shows how it is used for traumatic brain injury. https://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2018/03/18/traumatic-brain-injury.aspx

        • Henk Noordhuizen March 13, 2020 at 1:25 pm

          Thanks for the link,L. it’s an interesting one.Three of the 6 treatment aids in the list had the full attention of Bob Beck.PEMF (his magnetic pulser),TDCS (his Bio (Brain-) Tuner,which uses square waves to cover a wide spectrum of beneficial frequencies),and Electroencephalography (EEG) and neurofeedback.

          In the seventees he got interested in brainwave research,developped a very sensitive EEG measurement device,connected it to another device he developped,to help people “tune” to one of the known brainwaves (Alpha seemed the most interesting),and experimented with students on learning to “get in Alpha” with,and after a while,without the biofeedback device,now called “neurofeedback”.That was over 40 years ago!

          I didn’t call Andrea’s choises “stupid”,and I explained this to him in my second post.Which made him even more angry.So be it.

        • L March 13, 2020 at 1:36 pm

          I just chose the word “stupid” because it popped into my head. probably a bad choice of words. I just wanted to assure Andrea that all his choices were sound ones.

        • Andrea March 13, 2020 at 12:46 pm

          L, trust me, I’m not questioning the efficacy of pre/probiotics. I was just explaining how, some of them are not right for anyone. In my case, I made the mistake to take soemthing like S. boulardii, which has powerful antidiarrheal properties, while having zero gut problems at the time, and ending up with chronic IBS. As far as the PEMF, again, I’m not questioning its efficacy, I just don’t see why someone would feel free to ridcule an approach and give lots of credit to another.
          PS I do take probiotics now (VSL#3) which is the only one that do soemthing for me, but I was looking at this interesting video, and… let me know what do you think, I think he could be right

        • L March 13, 2020 at 1:13 pm

          I was just trying to assure you that none of your choices have been “stupid.” I think everything you have tried has merit, and again that is not knowing anything about the particular brand/type you took.

          As for the VSL 3 that was one of the first things recommended to me. I can’t recall if I ever actually took it. I think it is good when you are having real issues…and then probiotics when you are feeling closer to normal. But the VSL 3 has been recommended to me by several different NDs.

        • Andrea March 13, 2020 at 1:41 pm

          Thanks L

  2. Andrea March 13, 2020 at 12:52 pm Reply

    Anyway, for your information, yes, fecal transplant, does carry risks, even serious ones. At least 2 patients died in the US after the prcedure. I’m just sharing a video, not trying to advise anyone to do it!

  3. Barbara Arnold March 17, 2020 at 7:05 am Reply

    Where is everyone. It’s gone quiet on here. I hope everyone is safe in all this madness.

    • L March 17, 2020 at 11:10 am Reply

      I’m here! Been cooped up two days and I am already bored with myself. Just a daddy long legs in the bathroom to keep me company. May make a break for my ND’s and get a high dose C IV. It gives a very brief (very expensive) bit of relief to the congestion/breathing thing.

      This is just all so eerie. And while mainstream media is calling the whole bio warfare lab thing a hoax, here is a video saying “not so fast” from Dr. Francis Boyle…who drafted the US legislation for the Bio Weapons convention. Once again, the suppression of information from the powers that be. https://www.bing.com/videos/search?https://www.ccn.com/israeli-analyst-one-coronavirus-conspiracy-theory-less-crazy-than-you-think/

      How are things where you are?

  4. Andrea March 17, 2020 at 10:08 am Reply

    Hey Barbara. Here in Italy the situation is still very critical and it’ll be like this for a long time…anyway we’re still here…for the moment 😉
    How’s the situation in Spain now? I’ve heard it’s getting nasty there too? I’ve also heard that New York and L.A. are in quarantene too, is that true? Can someone confirm this please?

    Anyway, I’m reading stuff about how bad antiflammatory drugs are for treating the disease. They should make the virus more aggressive and they should make it spread faster in your body. I don’t know the veracity of this informations though. Soem say it’s just a hoax…

    • sheila March 17, 2020 at 10:25 am Reply

      The USA is beginning to do 15 day quarantines to try to not end up like Italy. Grocery stores, bars, restaurants and other businesses are closing now, schools have been closed since last week. Our map shows scary bursts but some of that is because we are finally getting some test kits so these spikes are people who have been wandering around without being designated as sick. So now that some tests are available we will see a huge spike as we learn how many sick people have been out and about. I am so angry that our government knew about this mid December and did NOTHING absolutely nothing and it was only when Italy started on lock down did our own government get interested in protecting us, the House was trying desperately to get some bills passed to protect the American people but the gop would have none of it – I mean the GOP government refused to accept supplies from the W.H.O. willing to let us die to keep the stock market rolling along lining their pockets. Still not accepting the WHO supplies, still refusing to roll out the mash units from the military – we have 350 million people and last week we only had 70,000 ventilators so who lives? who dies? and we had like 12,000 test kits…..we are so behind on getting a handle on this it’s scary. This has been a total calculated misinformation campaign for greed. And to top it all off the president’s son in law Jared, his brother owns the company that trump is feeding the money to, to manufacture our test kits, he wouldn’t accept the WHO kits in order for his daughter to make money off of a pandemic, greed in this admin is killing us. As a result now we are beginning to see individual states say they’ve had it with this admin and are stepping up – this type of failure to protect our citizens should never happen again NEVER…….the maps are showing what looks like a cleansing of the planet and no one should ever say that’s ok and no one should ever see it as an opportunity for lining their pockets but here we are.

      • Don M March 17, 2020 at 10:39 am Reply

        sheila……….. WOW you are really informed.

        • Sheila March 17, 2020 at 10:48 am

          it’s a result of growing up in a hospital environment I only trust the numbers not people. And it led me to be an accountant lol…..
          Also my husband works in a new car dealership and our town is mostly elderly so his customers are elderly and bit grumpy too, but with all the public exposure he is getting I wanted facts and more facts and now it appears that one of his workers who has a child at home that he takes to his mother in law to babysit every day – well that mother in law is sick and that means we may have been exposed, we are trying to find a drive thru testing area for her she lives in an area that has confirmed cases so this is worrisome right now.

      • Henk Noordhuizen March 17, 2020 at 1:43 pm Reply

        Sheila,you’re totaly right: our governments think about economy first,then about their own (family) pockets,and when there’s room and time left,about us.

        Since yesterday,at last,most schools are closed in NL.Why,so late? Because,when children stay home,parents have to stay home and don’t go to work.That would cost their employers lots of money,and of course,our rightwinged government tried to avoid such a situation,and waited untill the number of registered infections exploded.Too little,too late,to “contain” the epidemic.And,to make things worse;three weeks ago,there was carnaval,here;thé occasion to make intimate contacts with a high number of other people.It’s hard to nót suspect our government from willingly making things worse then necessary.

        Add to it,that our government stopped testing people with mild symptoms! This shows possitive in the total number of infected people (because many of those mild cases will probably be infected,and contagious,but are kept out of the statistics,this way) but those people will,of course,keep on infecting other people.And the media keeps on praising our MP because he says his lines so well !?? Just pooliing the wool over our eyes;it’s not what he says but how he acts,that’s important to the people.And,untill now,he’s a total failure!

      • Harriet Kay March 20, 2020 at 3:27 am Reply

        I am in UK. S &s of cornonavirus so we have to self isolate for 14 days; Food being delivered. NO visitors of course. Leaving food outside the house.

    • Don M March 17, 2020 at 10:35 am Reply

      Andrea…. The fact that people can be contagious and spreading the virus before they are experiencing symptoms is leading far to many to be complacent and careless. People need to wise up. Is that person standing next to you actually contagious? “Social distancing” is probably the best way to slow the progress of the virus.

    • L March 17, 2020 at 11:20 am Reply

      LA is not on lockdown. Restaurants and bars are closed. Some restaurants I think offer carry out only. All live theatres and other entertainment venues have shut down, as have houses of worship. Some counties in CA have stricter rules, esp up in the San Francisco area, where I think they may be on lockdown. The basic rule (for now) is no gatherings over 250 (that may have changed) and then no gatherings where people cannot space 6 feet apart. (Although grocery stores seem to not follow that, as people are lined up close to each other.) Those over 60 with auto immune issues are supposed to self quarantine. Schools have shut down.

    • Madge Hirsch March 18, 2020 at 1:58 pm Reply

      Hi Andrea-the French docs are saying this. Not to use Ibuprofen etc to bring down fever. Non of us here would be taking NSAIDs anyway! We have to download and fill out a form here to say why we are out of our houses. Husband was stopped at police check when he went shopping yesterday. Fines for those who infringe the rules. Mulhouse saying they are getting to to Italian dilemma -docs having to decide who will get ventilators etc. Luckily only a few cases in our département at the moment.

  5. L March 17, 2020 at 11:23 am Reply

    And yet there are areas that are taking this way too lightly. I have seen several picture like this from Florida beaches. Just so selfish. https://www.cbsnews.com/news/coronavirus-thousands-florida-beaches-ignoring-social-distancing/

    • Andrea March 17, 2020 at 2:32 pm Reply

      L, I’m just getting out the hosue to buy some food at the supermarket, and there, people are walking around with masks and gloves (not sure if there’s a reason to do that as most of those masks don’t protect from the virus), but many don’t really care much about the safety distance. I mean, yeah in the lines you stay at least 1 or 2 meters apart from each other, but while walking people pass next to you very carelessly

      • L March 17, 2020 at 3:33 pm Reply

        And I was reading this morning that surgical masks offer no protection (really just for the sick to keep their germs more to themselves) and the n95 only work if properly fitted…but people tend to touch their face more when wearing them, which is a no no AND they take them off incorrectly, and touch the front of them, thereby increasing their odds of getting the virus. I go out to shop myself in spite of feeling like all of us on this site are in that “special” category like auto-immune people. I just am very careful, wash hands often and have used hand sanitizer for years. (Yea! Being a germaphobe finally pays off!)

        • Andrea March 17, 2020 at 4:18 pm

          Me too, I’m not going to use any mask. I wash my hand frequently, but for the hand sanitizer, I’m not using it. It’s ok to wash your hands, but killing all the germs on your hands (when you’re safe at home at least) could be counterproductive

  6. David March 17, 2020 at 1:39 pm Reply

    Canada ….provinces have been given leeway in deciding about school closures and isolating. Ontario now has closed bars, restaurants, schools,. Malls are open few hours a day. We are telling parents schools will open second week of April . Of course that’s nonsense. In three weeks we will be in the worst of it. Citizens like me over 65 have been told to stay home unless absolutely necessary.
    I have gone out for food. Our PM closed air travel to Canada and has restricted border crossings to only Americans. We are dependent on USA for so much in produce and the supply chain.
    I also read that anti inflammatory meds can worsen the condition. Stick to Tylenol.
    Pneumonia usually accompanies the virus so it’s important to not be given the standard Cipro treatment most hospitals administer. Ask for Amoxicillan, one of the few antibiotics we can still safely take if needed. I realize we should try to avoid all antibiotics but sometimes we have to make an informed choice. Keep safe everyone.

    • Don M March 17, 2020 at 2:12 pm Reply

      Everybody…….. Investigate Colloidal Silver. Not saying that it is a wonder drug but it has been around since the beginning of time and by a study by Brigham Young University it will affect (and in many cases kill) over 600 different pathogens without them being able to become resistant to it. It may have little effect against the Coronavirus (no one seems to know or care about CS) but it might prevent one from acquiring some other infection. AND NO you will not turn blue from Argyria unless you drink it by the glass full or use CS made with salts. I have used it for over 6 years and I ain’t blue.

      • Henk Noordhuizen March 17, 2020 at 2:33 pm Reply

        Don,I’ve read so many times about 600-650 different pathogens being killed by CS.Never before,read that this was settled in one study,which you call “study by Brigham Young University” A quick search brought up this:

        https://www.deseret.com/2000/5/16/19506929/is-silver-an-antibiotic-alternative-br-byu-study-shows-colloidal-silver-is-as-good-as-penicillin

        I found a study,done by the BYU,but that was research on silver water dispertions with several antibiotics,not of CS on it’s own,as far as I understood.

        Funny;I looked at a page on CS,on Wiki,and I think the page,as it is today,is written by several different people with different opinions on CS.In short;CS is safe and effective,but nót if used in alternative medicine ;-)) There,it’s ineffective,and probably nót safe.

        • Don M March 17, 2020 at 2:45 pm

          Henk……….. I have been told that the full CS study by Brigham Young University was buried and that it can on longer be found. Bottom line inferred is that it was so favorable that the industry had it buried. Right. Wrong. I don’t know but I wouldn’t put it past them. Where is that study?
          Why is it included as part of the Bob Beck protocol if it’s effectiveness is so in question?

        • Henk Noordhuizen March 17, 2020 at 3:34 pm

          Don,do you have any idea of what year that study was published? The eletrolyse method of producing silver ions was developped by him in 1992 or 1993,and before that,he found an enormous amount of lecture,and anecdotes about the ability of low power electricity to disable pathogens.In his research I can’t find any notion of this study.His interest in electro-therapee started with a publocation by Kaali and Lyman on de-activating the HIV virus with a minute electric current.He developped the,back than called Blood Purifier and later on added the CS,Ozonator and magnetic pulser.

          Click to access microcurrent-therapy.pdf

        • Henk Noordhuizen March 17, 2020 at 3:37 pm

          Sorry;”lecture”is literature. Time to go find my bed ;-))

      • Andrea March 17, 2020 at 2:46 pm Reply

        Another thing you can do is taking pure Propolis concentrate.It has antiviral and antibacterial properties. I was listening to an old school doctor, Italian, who in ’95, did an experiement in a school. They put propolis and incense in the air, through nebulizers, till the classrooms were saturated, through nebulizers. At the end of the experiment they found a reduction of almost 80% of bacterial load. This study was publicated in the Italian biologists magazine.

      • L March 17, 2020 at 3:28 pm Reply

        Funny you should mention that Don! I am using it in my nebulizer starting tonight. Esp since I already have lung/ congestion issues. I noticed on site that I checked had a cease and desist order to stop publishing info on colloidal silver and corona virus. No surprise there. The tamp down on anything natural. But I have already used it for other infections so I will just keep using it. (My ND said he would just give himself an ozone treatment.)

        • Don M March 17, 2020 at 5:43 pm

          L….. I have a water ozonizer that should be here tomorrow. I am starting the ozonated water daily. Probably not as effective as other forms but better than doing nothing.

        • L March 17, 2020 at 7:10 pm

          great. Yeah, I have no idea how that compares to IVing it.

    • Nicole March 17, 2020 at 4:30 pm Reply

      David over 65 and in Vancouver. Our cases tripled today. We are at par with you but of course they say it’s because of more testing. Your population is much higher than ours so not feeling like enough has been done.
      Our schools did close today for the year. They have told graduating seniors they have just graduated. Our bars and restaurants were just packed this weekend with our ever so young and uncaring population. I see the Kegs and cactus clubs have closed. Others were ask today if they can’t social distance for under 50 it’s take out only.
      Like you I still go to the store and walk the dog but that’s about it. I do live in a high rise building so when the elevator stops and other people are on it what do you do!? Will there ever be a time other people are not on it!?
      Funny thing is I had all the symptoms a month ago and was told to just go home. Must be the flu ( had flu shot ) I had not been out of the country or around anyone who had it. Well honestly just about everyone in my building is from China or Iran so how would I know.
      I believe since there are so many that do not show symptoms that there are hundreds to thousands walking among us. So nothing we can do but ride it out.
      Some of our groceries are now going to open for seniors first but see it’s from 6:00 am to 7:00 am. Just pouring the coffee at 6:00. Lol
      Hang in over there and hopefully we don’t end up in the hospital with antibiotics coming at us. I wear a ID bracelet with FQ allergy.

  7. Andrea March 17, 2020 at 6:48 pm Reply

    Now for all of the consipiracy theorists 😉 What do you guys think? Is it posible that this isn’t just a pandemic? Is there somenthing that we don’t know?
    I’m readin a lot about virus trafficking. You know, being home all day, I’m bored 🙂

    • L March 17, 2020 at 7:33 pm Reply

      Ok, so here are some of my thoughts

      1) I do believe the source was a bio-warfare lab, not a bat or some other animal (not necessarily released on purpose). There are two in Wuhan and they contain, SARS, AIDS, other flu strains, etc. I believe this is why the original whistle-blower doctor (who sadly died later) was silenced by the government. And this is also believed by Francis Boyle, who has an impressive bio: He is a professor of international law at Illinois College of Law. He WROTE the U.S. domestic implementing legislation for the Biological Weapons Convention, known as the Biological Weapons Anti-Terrorism Act of 1989, that was approved unanimously by both Houses of the U.S. Congress and signed into law by President George H.W. Bush. There are videos of him being interviewed about this, if you can find them. They keep getting shut down by the government (or someone.)

      2) There is talk of it being caused by 5g. I know Wuhan recently went full bore 5g and there is so much info, so many studies about the harm from RF radiation. Dr Thomas Cowen theorizes this. I watched his video and while I get what he is saying, it doesn’t make sense then that other countries with little or no 5g have the same reactions. (may need to go back and re-watch. Perhaps he meant that it somehow created it out of the environment.) At any rate, 5g certainly wouldn’t help. 5G is a nightmare unfolding. So damaging to health, including the immune system. I would be more likely to accept a combination of 1 and 2.

      3) The other theory I heard was that this was just an excuse for the governments/corporations that run our lives, to take control, by confining us. I think this one is the most far-fetched, but I wouldn’t rule anything out. Sadly that is how little trust I have in our corporate-run governments. (And big pharma is just salivating over the prospect of $$$ from yet another vaccine and associated meds.) https://theintercept.com/2020/03/13/big-pharma-drug-pricing-coronavirus-profits/

      • sheila March 18, 2020 at 8:56 am Reply

        This virus is a SARS virus so it’s very contagious and worrisome since SARS nearly wiped out china. I don’t think it’s as much viral warfare as it is working on future possible epidemics and carelessness. But the Covid 19 is supposed to have the SARS before Covid 19 (SARS Covid 19) it’s not there to prevent panic. Because it attacks the lungs that’s what makes it a SARS virus and coronavirus is present in the environment cats get a vaccine for it as do dogs. I worked at an animal hospital and the old FVRCP vaccine for cats the C stands for coronavirus so it’s a constant but this one has been mutated and is unknown.
        There was a fleeting thought in my own mind that – hey it seems to attack the elderly and older generations worse so maybe it’s a way of getting rid of those that suck the system dry, you know those that survive will be the fittest and the best theory, but then when athletes were getting it and healthy younger people I let go of that thought. And then again maybe it’s just mother earth saying she can’t support this amount of human population and destruction and she’s shaking us off like fleas until the population gets back down to what she can handle again.
        Not sure but I know I am scared and my husband’s business refuses to shut down, his is a service industry and the employers are afraid of losing a dime from a lost customer, so they are making the employees risk their life for their freaking dollar. Someone needs to be the adult in the room and say we are going home do what you will – fire us or keep us but we intend to stay alive. Instead I get to sit here and wonder if my husband will bring the virus to me as I don’t work I stay home anyway, so I am safe unless he brings it to me.
        Frightening to be where we are in the world with this.

    • Andrea March 17, 2020 at 9:12 pm Reply

      Yeah…I wouldn’t rule out anything either. I don’t know if it is soemthing meant to control us all, by confining us, or it was a bio weapon or anything else, but to me, there’s probably something behind it.

      • Andrea S. March 18, 2020 at 11:08 am Reply

        Andrea I think there is more behind it. This is just way to strange how quickly it has spread and how it’s virtually world wide now. We can theorize that carriers went on planes and to all parts of the country to spread it. Who knows? I feel there is more to this. I am sure things will unfold in the weeks/months to come.

      • Barbara Arnold March 19, 2020 at 1:31 am Reply

        I agree. It stinks. I think we are all going back to zero and then reset. A lot of people will make a lot of money. I can’t get my head around the fact there are 7 BILLION people on the planet but only just over 2 hundred thousand cases world wide. Even without testing everyone the maths don’t add up for such world wide chaos.
        Guess what, China is opening up again. No new cases????? Considering the population is around 1.4 BILLION, this doesn’t add up. How could they get it into no cases so quickly???
        There’s a lot of Web traffic asking questions. We are all being controlled when the numbers are so low, makes no sense. More people are dying of other diseases including normal flu.
        The next couple of weeks will tell us more. Stay safe everyone.

        • L March 19, 2020 at 10:59 am

          Just watched the video. (Thanks Don M for the link.) Wow. Sure makes sense.

        • sheila March 19, 2020 at 2:53 pm

          China did automatic quarantine – they have been in this since November 2019 hence the 19 in the name – it’s taken them this long to get the virus to begin to die out – by going into lockdown, quarantine you stop the spread and those that are infected begin to heal and not spread it, it will eventually have no one to infect by taking these precautions – and they disinfected their streets, sidewalks, storefronts, crosswalks and kept sick people away from healthy people – it’s science – it stops with those precautions. I hope and pray it doesn’t take the USA 5 months of hell to figure this out.

        • A.Coleman March 20, 2020 at 6:38 am

          Sheila your analysis of what happened in China and how long it took them to get things under control represents steps that I fear no western nation is willing to take; especially one led by Donald Trump. I suspect that it will take the rest of 2020 living mostly in isolation to bring things under control.

          Sometimes there are values to a totalitarian government and the Chinese ability to lock the whole population in their homes and dictate movement is what allowed them to get a handle on things. Unfortunately that won’t and probably shouldn’t happen in Western democracies.

          Unfortunately, I think we all watch what happens in Italy and use that as a lens to what will happen to all of us a bit later.

          I too am irate that the US government squandered our two month grace period. They knew this was coming; ordering test kits and ramping up production of medical supplies would have gone a long way to addressing the issues.

        • L March 20, 2020 at 10:30 am

          I’m with you. We have the most corrupt, inept leadership this country has ever known. Then add to that the most corrupt pharmaceutical industries that put profit over health. They will not use the treatments China has used because they re drugs from Cuba and they cannot profit off them. So they will patent their own version of an already toxic drug so they can make even more obscene amounts of money.

    • Sheila March 18, 2020 at 8:43 am Reply

      I did some research on the 1918 influenza outbreak and sure enough China was the source of that one too. I have no idea what it is about China that causes these major deadly outbreaks – I think it’s time that was investigated. Is it poor containment in their test labs? is it just plain hygiene issues? Is it the fact that that culture seems to eat anything and everything that moves even though most species carry diseases and viruses? What makes them eat things that no one else would? Bats? seriously? is it the lack of personal space they seem to be very consolidated in population without much space between people does that exacerbate illness and viruses? Are they working on getting ahead of the next pandemic and their test labs aren’t air tight? I think it’s time all countries sent their own scientists in and did their own investigations cause right now they are also dealing with the bird flu – again. So what happens if the two viruses mutate with each other? It’s a major concern what they do.

      • Andrea March 18, 2020 at 11:28 am Reply

        Here you go Sheila. Anyway, you basically figured it out by yourself

  8. Barbara Arnold March 18, 2020 at 12:58 am Reply

    Hi Guys,
    I’ve just read through all your posts, it seems different countries are handling this in various ways. We are in complete lockdown in Spain. We ventured out yesterday after being in for 7 days we needed some items in the supermarket. The police stopped us as there were two of us in the car. I told them my husband was helping me and they were okay, but said we must be two metres apart from everyone else. We went first thing because the shelves would have been empty later. We had to stand in line outside the supermarket and wait to be called. Before going in we had our hands sanitised and were given surgical gloves. It was all very orderly. I got what I wanted but the shelves were sparce. Now we are home and wont go out again for at least two weeks, apart from my husband has to see a specialist on the 26th unless we hear anything different.
    Masks don’t protect you, but they can stop you touching your face, as most people touch their face a lot of the time. Lisa said she needs a dog cone as she touches her face all the time.
    I’ve read high dose Vit C is good if you get unwell. Like very high dose’s. I am waiting for some lipsomal VitC to arrive. We have also been taking zinc.
    No one knows the truth of this, we all have our theories, but they are just our opinions not facts. From the very begining watching it unfold in China, I have always thought there was more to this than we are being told. But that’s just my thoughts, no evidence whatsoever.
    Spain is being very very strict now, a great deal differently than the UK. But the UK is changing daily, with the Prime Minister giving daily reports with the scientists on TV.
    Italy’s health system is over run. I am watching a report on the news now.
    I urge you all to really take care with washing and sanitising your hands. Don’t be fooled with seeing people out and about. Stay away as much as possible.
    The next two weeks here we’ll see how its panning out.
    I’ll keep you informed of any changes.
    Stay safe everyone. Stay calm and take the scientific advise.

    • L March 18, 2020 at 10:58 am Reply

      At least oe doctor in China is using high dose C IVs (unfortunately they also mix it was a steroid) but I have been getting them just because it give just a small, short respite to this damn 2+ years breating/congestion thing. It’s a very short relief, like a day, for $250! That is how desperate I am.

      And I was reading the masks are NOT a good idea unless you are the one that is sick. People tend to touch their faces more because the masks are uncomfortable. The touch the front of the mask. They don’t remove them correctly.

      Good you have someone at least for company. I live alone, and I’m already tired of my company. We can still go out at least. Still I limit myself to going to the grocery store or My ND.

      • Andrea March 18, 2020 at 11:44 am Reply

        L, have you ever tryied propolis for your congestion issues? I’m talking about pure extract, you either ingest it or I belive, even nebulize it…

        • L March 18, 2020 at 12:04 pm

          Actually that is one thing I have not tried. I stay away from it because it is contraindicated for those with allergies and asthma. But I appreciated the suggestion.

        • Andrea March 18, 2020 at 12:15 pm

          Uhm, that’s strange, sicne it constains antibacterial and antiviral properties

        • L March 18, 2020 at 12:34 pm

          well, it’s already been determined that this isn’t a virus or bacteria or fungi or anything else of that nature.

          But….”As a natural supplement, propolis is relatively safe for most people and does not cause any toxicity. However, there are certain contraindications stemming from insufficient studies and preexisting allergies. If you fall under any of the categories below, it would be best that you avoid the use of this supplement as much as possible:…
          Asthmatic patients — There are certain compounds present in propolis that may make asthma worse. If you have asthma, avoid the use of propolis supplements and/or products.” https://articles.mercola.com/vitamins-supplements/propolis.aspx

      • Barbara Arnold March 19, 2020 at 12:11 am Reply

        Just saw on the news that Hong Kong is managing the virus more than any other country. They have 7 million people and the lowest amount of cases. There, you are a social pariah if you don’t wear a mask. ?????
        Please check out Mahmoud ELAwadi. He has a post on facebook and it’s mindboggling. I don’t know how to get the link on here. He says what I’ve always suspected, there’s more to this than we are being told. It’s all to do with the worlds economics. It started when China did not like the trade deal Trump made with them.
        I am NOT into conspiracies and this guy is a well respected Financier in the states.
        If anyone can tell me how to post a link here, please do.
        The question I have is…..there are 7 BILLION people on the planet, why are there only just over 2 HUNDRED THOUSAND infected ?.? Why oh why are they closing down country’s. There are more people that die of other diseases including the flu every day. China is recovering and begining to open up again.
        This world chaos is taking us back to zero, a lot of people are going to make a lot of money . To me it stinks.

        • L March 19, 2020 at 10:26 am

          There are 5 or 6 people with that name on FB. Which one?

        • Henk Noordhuizen March 19, 2020 at 10:33 am

          That one.At your service,sir ;-))

        • Madge Hirsch March 19, 2020 at 12:30 pm

          I think they are closing down things because the normal health services just can’t cope with the number of sick people all coming at once. We cannot throw up a hospital in a week as they did in Wuhan. The hospitals in the worst affected areas here are running out of capacity. The doctors will have to choose who to treat and who to leave to die as they are in Italy. This is politically unacceptable in advanced Western democracies. It has been going on more subtly in the UK where the health service has been cut to the bone for the last 10years and of course in America you are buggered if you get sick and don’t have insurance. But the media spotlight is not on that as it is on this virus.

  9. Andrea S. March 18, 2020 at 10:55 am Reply

    Hi I have not been on here in awhile however I have tried to read through all of your posts.

    Today 3/18/20 in the Midwest the malls and shops in my town are closed. My husband and I had to make a run to a local warehouse grocer and it was at about 20% capacity. I used an app to check out however people casually walked past us. I held my breath and walked fast past them.

    As everywhere, toilet paper is gone, paper towels are gone. They are restocking meat and canned items. Right when this hit the USA I went and stocked up on items. TP, Towels, food etc. At first I thought I was overreacting however now I am glad I did. I also got several cans of powder Gatorade because this virus can deplete you of electrolytes. As of Saturday I ordered all my supplements on Amazon. They all arrived today along with the notice that they will not be delivering other then the necessities. I am glad I got all my vitamins.

    I have a strong hunch that the US Postal service will be suspended very shortly.

    Some of our younger people are downright ignorant. Not all but some. My son who is 20 dorms at a local college. The dorms announced about 13 days ago they should leave ASAP. Final day to exit has be out tomorrow. About 95% of the kids vacated 13 days ago and we told him to come home. He elected to stay until his girlfriend went home. He said if he did return home he was going to do what he wanted and can’t live by our rules. He has continued to socialize, go places etc. We made an expensive choice to place him in an apartment. Stocked him with all the goods he needs, filled up his gas tank and wished him good luck. Then he feels hurt that we did not come out as all the other parents were vacating their children. What the heck is wrong with these young people?

    Not sure about all of you but I am scared crapless of getting this virus. I know you all are battling health issues. I had influenza in January that about knocked me out. With all the health issues I have going on now with my teeth, chronic pain and stress I feel corona would take me out.

    • L March 18, 2020 at 11:39 am Reply

      It is hard not to worry about it, but what I worry about more is having some hospital try to inject me with their drugs. So I take things that are recommend like high doses of vitamin C (I am getting IVs for now) but I’d recommend liposomal. Zinc. Elderberry (which seems to be sold out everywhere—even online.); lipoic acid; spirulina, NAC.

      And if any of you happen to have ozone IV machines…lucky you. My ND seems to think that would kills it.

      The hoarding is obscene. I had to go to three different stores to get what I need. I found most unfortunately at a very expensive health food store. Great quality organic stuff…but spent WAY more than I normally would at Trader Joes. What I don’t understand is why there are no eggs. You can’t freeze them, so how are all stores out of eggs? I wonder if it perhaps it is a health thing. Any ideas?

      • Andrea March 18, 2020 at 11:46 am Reply

        Coul be, since birds always carry this kind of nasty diseases

    • sheila March 19, 2020 at 2:41 pm Reply

      Hi Andrea I feel the same way I feel that if I got this crap that that would be the end of me. I hope I’m wrong and I hope I don’t have to find out. Are you sure you had influenza? the cdc and w.h.o. say that this can be misdiagnosed without testing as the flu so if that’s what you had you are supposed to be immune now!! You would have to have an antibody test but you may have already had it since it was in china in November 2019 hence the 19 in the name.

  10. Andrea S. March 18, 2020 at 11:23 am Reply

    Question for you all. We know Motrin is a big no for us. WHO has also stated that by taking it to treat Corona Virus symptoms can and has worsened the virus. They say to take Tylenol only for fever reduction.

    Would this hold true of Curcumin? I take it for inflammation but I wonder if it would work the same way as Motrin interfering with immunity?

  11. Andrea March 18, 2020 at 11:56 am Reply

    This is the situation here in Italy, well at least it was 2 days ago.
    As today, 35.713 confiremed positive cases, 4.207+ in one day, 4.025 healed, 2.978 total deaths. Only today 475 deaths.

    • L March 18, 2020 at 12:13 pm Reply

      yikes. that’s really high. I read that one reason is there is a large aging population. Got to be more than that though. Stay safe.

      • Madge Hirsch March 18, 2020 at 2:37 pm Reply

        The aggravating factors for worse outcomes place arterial hypertension , cardiovascular disease, diabetes before asthma and COPD. But this is a disease that hits the lungs. So why are people with existing lung disease not top of the list? Maybe it is not the actual condition but the polypharmacy given for these conditions that weakens the immune system. ACE inhibitors which are widely prescribed to treat hypertension have had the finger pointed at them . The most notorious side effect of these is dry cough. So they must be affecting the lungs. Beta blockers cause breathlessness in many people. And what about statins? I would bet that nobody is looking into this. Most old people take a cocktail of drugs every day. Many younger people take statins and blood pressure meds. On the news here today – a study in Marseilles showed some benefit of chloroquine- yikes. They also said taking an antibiotic helped. I bet they are trying to repurpose FQs to boost flagging sales. I read somewhere that Bayer had sent a ton of Cipro to Wuhan just like they did to Africa for Ebola. My Quin Story has an article on Chloroquine for coronavirus

        • Don M March 18, 2020 at 3:32 pm

          Madge Hirsch…… Blood pressure. I’m 85 and I have read on several different web sites that BP of 140 for older people is not considered to be to high. Had to chose a new PC doctor recently. Went to him (for my “intake interview”) with my home proof that my BP hung around 140. He was determined to treat my BP. Obviously with one of the standard meds. I chose another PC and never went back to see this one. I just thought I would throw this out since you had mentioned BP meds.

        • L March 18, 2020 at 9:17 pm

          Just posted that link before I read yours. (myquin story.) Wonder…are there any floxies on here from China?

        • L March 18, 2020 at 9:18 pm

          Just posted that myquinstory link before I saw your post. Wonder if there are any floxies on here from China. Might want to put out a warning.

        • sheila March 19, 2020 at 2:46 pm

          yes this affects the lungs if you don’t get it in the lungs you will do much better but once recovered I heard that you could lose 20-30% function of lungs. Coronaviruses are respiratory illnesses this is a SARS virus

        • L March 19, 2020 at 3:05 pm

          damn. I already have a deficit. And I’m blood type A. And I still haven’t figure out this two plus years respiratory thing. I think if I get it, I’m outta here.

    • Barbara Arnold March 19, 2020 at 3:39 am Reply

      Horrendous Andrea. Hopefully this will make people understand the importance of self isolation.

  12. Amanda March 18, 2020 at 8:23 pm Reply

    Hello, all. Goodness..it has been ages since I’ve been on Floxie Hope.
    First a question:
    Malaria drug – Chloroquine – is a quinoline. This is not related to the quinolone family, right?
    Antimalarial and antiparisitic drug
    This is what is being tested/used to treat new virus.
    I am a younger floxie -almost 9 years post floxing. Have recovered quite well and thanking the Good Lord.
    I fought off the dreaded Flu A with homeopathic remedies and (Yes) generic Tylenol. Hadn’t taken it for several years. But, the fever lasted 5 days and I felt horrible. I bit the bullet or rather took 2 generic Tylenol for 5 days in a row. (1 in AM and 1 in PM)
    My immune system kicked in and fought it off in about two weeks.
    Sorry! Rabbit trail.

    To get back to my question: My floxed aunt is over 65 and has some health issues. Wondering if she had to take chloroquine, would she possibly have same reaction as she had with Cipro. Just a thought.

    • L March 18, 2020 at 9:12 pm Reply
      • Amanda March 18, 2020 at 10:05 pm Reply

        Thank you for the information, L. I completely forgot about David’s website.
        So, just hoping she isn’t faced with having to make that decision. No floxies for that matter.

    • Henk Noordhuizen March 19, 2020 at 4:35 am Reply

      Hi Amanda,

      “Malaria drug – Chloroquine – is a quinoline. This is not related to the quinolone family, right?”

      Wrong! Chloroquine is the synthetic form of the natural anti-malaria drug,and the Farmafia made it more powerfull by ading Fluoride= Fluoroquinolone.

      “This is what is being tested/used to treat new virus”

      Almost every drug in the world is being tested against Corona virus.There’s a rumor that Bayer sent a ton of Cipro to China,but I can’t find any info on that.

      Most prommising options might be Curcuma,Colloïdal Silverwater/Silver Ions,Bob Beck blood electric and magnetic blood pulsing.But,of course,the whole (Farmafia) world is using the opportunity to search for a proffitable way of “solving the problem”. First create a problem,than offer a solution.Yes,I’m one of the people who suspect this virus to be man-made.

      • selcem March 19, 2020 at 4:48 am Reply

        Hello Henk,

        even if it is not a man-made virus, pharma industry will utilize from this to market their poisonous drugs . Sorry for saying this, but I think similar for politicians. Even they may be thinking this could be a chance for them to get rid of old and chronicle patients who cost them lot, thinking their weak workforce. So, this is called capitalism, right.
        Best way seems not to catch this virus , rather than recovering from it through non-standard treatments.

        • mmec7 March 19, 2020 at 5:03 am

          Selcem, agreed. Quote : “Best way seems not to catch this virus , rather than recovering from it through *standard* (guideline/s) treatments.” (Yes ‘Standard’ medical treatments, no thanks, far too dangerous !)
          I am taking all the prophylactic measures I can think of – including use of Colloidal Silver…

        • Henk Noordhuizen March 19, 2020 at 10:21 am

          Hy Selcem,I was wondering where you were,and how you did.How nice to hear from you.

          I fully agree;the way the medical world and the politics react leave a lot of questions.And the best way is,not to get infected with Corona.But,doing my shopping,yesterday,the way other people behave irritated me to the extreme;it’s almost impossible to keep a 1 1/2 meter distance from most of them! Sometimes I got the feeling they were actually trying for a close contact.And what about this:

          What an idiot!!!

          Well,I hope you’re doing well,or,at least,a whole lot better than since whe last time had contact!

        • selcem March 20, 2020 at 1:12 am

          Hi Henk,

          I live in Turkey, indeed I am doing better compared to last months. I think probiotics I took (megasporebiotics) helped my pains and my postivie mood helped as well 🙂
          Regarding coronavirus, I try not to go shopping myself as I live with my daughter alone and I cant control her outside, she touches everywhere. But as markets are overbooked, it might be more difficult to shop online soon. Yo are very right about those careless people.
          You wont believe a recent event, but here polices were trying to keep people coming from abroad under quarantine , as they tried to escape. And a man spit out on police’s face saying “if I am sick, be sick as well”. Seeing these people live in country, I am afraid even opening the door of house.
          I am really tired and became paranoid for paying the price of things done by those careless doctors, politicians and people in public.
          It would be good to shop online only for all people under quarantine but probably it is not much feasible.

        • Henk Noordhuizen March 20, 2020 at 5:43 am

          Hi Selcem,I’m glad to hear that you’re doing better,now.I still do my shoppings,once a week,running through one or two supermarkets,trying to avoid the zombies.And I know that going into a supermarket with a young child that wants to touch everyting is quite problematic,even without this corona virus;sometimes these kids seem to have at least 8 arms and hands ;-))

          That incident,you wrote about,and that guy in the metro disgust me;what’s wrong with these people? Isn’t the situation serious,frightening and sad enough without these nasty basterds?

        • selcem March 21, 2020 at 3:52 am

          You know for coronavirus, or for medicine adverse effects like our case, statistical values are counted and people consider the risk is low for themselves. Anyone I talk around, they are saying only old people will be effected negatively from coronavirus. But there seems many patients in intensive care in younger ages. How people can evaluate their immunity against this virus without infected by it?

          If there was a physical threat like war, people’s attitude would be much different. While this virus is a similar threat, some people have difficulty to understand its risks and impacts.

          And for the psychos like you shared video, they obviously dont care other’s life.

        • Henk Noordhuizen March 22, 2020 at 3:42 am

          Well,Selcem,in times like this it’s quite easy to distinguish the good people from the bad ones. And the wise from the stupid.Armageddon?

        • selcem March 22, 2020 at 4:14 am

          🙂 yes very much agree on that this situation shows who is selfish, or idiot or wise or thoughtful. The problem is the selection after infection will occur based on immunity not wisdom. We don’t have choice other than isolating ourselves unfortunately.

        • Henk Noordhuizen March 22, 2020 at 3:46 am

          You know,Selcem,in times like this,it’s quite easy to seperate the good people from the bad ones.And the wise from the stupids.Armageddon?

        • Henk Noordhuizen March 19, 2020 at 10:26 am

          Forgot to mention that,according to the message that came with that clip,the police is after him,wanting to arrest him.If that guy proves to be infected (why else is he smearing his saliva on that pole?),he might be in big trouble!

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      • mmec7 March 19, 2020 at 4:57 am Reply

        Quote : “Wrong! Chloroquine is the synthetic form of the natural anti-malaria drug,and the Farmafia made it more powerful by adding Fluoride= Fluoroquinolone.”

        “This is what is being tested/used to treat new virus” (strewth)

        Had wondered, but had not got around to checking it out. Thanks for the heads up – MUST ensure my paperwork is up-to-date, NO ….. ‘quines’ of ANY description !!

      • Don M March 19, 2020 at 7:54 am Reply

        Henk…… Most promising options might be Curcuma,Colloïdal Silverwater/Silver Ions,Bob Beck blood electric and magnetic blood pulsing. Has anyone (with credibility) bothered to investigate these options?

        • Andrea S. March 19, 2020 at 8:05 am

          Is Plaquenil (antimalarial drug) one that contains flouride? Is this the one being used as a potential treatment?

        • Henk Noordhuizen March 19, 2020 at 12:52 pm

          Not in the case of Corona,and official research on these options are inprobable.Not even the suggestion from the Chinese doctor,who used high dose vit.C IV is not taken seriously.Like always,the focus is on patented,and patentable drugs.With an epidemic,this size,you should think that alternatives like Curcuma and CS would have been given some attention,too.Electric and/or magnetic pulsing is a step to far,even for very sick people;health comes out of a bottle,in pill/caps form,or in a drinkable form.

        • L March 19, 2020 at 2:06 pm

          How right you are. This is a bonanza for big pharma. https://theintercept.com/2020/03/13/big-pharma-drug-pricing-coronavirus-profits/

      • Andrea S. March 19, 2020 at 8:53 am Reply

        Henk I was looking over the chemical structure of hydroxychloroquine and cloroquine and I am not seeing flouride. Could you post a link or more info?

        • Henk Noordhuizen March 19, 2020 at 9:07 am

          Andrea,first,they managed to synthisize Quinine/quinolone,later on they added Fluoride to “fortify thos quinolones.

      • Andrea S. March 19, 2020 at 9:34 am Reply

        Henk I am not seeing it in the chemical structure. Are you saying that they are not mass producing a new form of this with the Fluoride atom?

        • Henk Noordhuizen March 19, 2020 at 10:12 am

          First there were the Quinolones (a form of synthisized Quinine,which is an anti-malaria medicine.Those proved to have some antibacterial effect,and,after having added a fluorine atom to the molecule,the name changed to Fluoriquinolone,and it’s used as an antibioticum.I hope I’ve explaned it well,because at the moment,and since a fwe weeks,I feel extremely unwell.Foggy,dizzy,tired and shortbreathed.Bloodpressure oké (about 20 lower than my normal (145-90),blood saturation higher than normal,sometimes 90%,bloodsugar “normal”,This afternood,after my noon meal,

          I noticed,on the strip of my glucose meter that my blood is now almost transparent,watery,and with the very dark stools I have since 3-4 weeks (have this since being floxed,but sometimes turning to a more or less normal colour),I suspected an extreme anemia.I had a phone talk with my doctor,10 minutes ago,(yes;the one who pushed the Cipro on me),and she agreed that this was probably the reason of those symptoms.And even admitted that Cipro has some side effects.But,after 3 years? No way!

          Didn’t want to remind her to the fact that she wasn’t allowed to prescribe me the Cipro because I alreday used Tambocor/Flecainide.Hopelessly,and probably,willingly “uninformed”.So,talking about her about an auto-immune problem (too litle red blood cell production and a too high breakdown red bloodcells),thanks to Cipro is completely out of the question.

          Well she,and het collegua,are preparing for retirement,and I hope that the doctor that takes over their practice will be more open to these things.Can’t wait to see the day…..

        • Andrea S. March 19, 2020 at 10:20 am

          Henk I hope you feel better soon. I am sorry your having a time of it. I hope you get some relief. Iron supplements perhaps? If you take them b12 is critical to help build the iron stores. Those symptoms sure do sound like low iron. Back when mine was on the lower end I took something called Floradix it’s a liquid supplement. It did help me as did another over the counter supplement called Gerovital. It is also a liquid.
          Be well!

        • Henk Noordhuizen March 19, 2020 at 10:31 am

          Thanks,Andrea.I first have to go to the doc,and have some blood drown to confirm the anemia.Then,I’ll have to supplement B11 and B12 (the last one,I supplemented untill 6-8 weeks ago),and the doc might want to prescribe me Cortisol,in case of an auto-immune problem.Won’t happen;than I’ll try to explain her that floxed people really DO excist,and that most of then do react badly on cortisones.

        • Henk Noordhuizen March 19, 2020 at 1:17 pm

          Thanks,Andrea;I hope that my doc will be easy on me,and come with an acceptable option.I opened a new spraybottle with B12,and took a single spray.One hour later I started to feel a little bit better,enough to get some hope to a fast recovery.Talked my
          “new” Polish neighbour about what is going on,and he gave me his phone number,just in case.His wife doesn’t speak dutch Just a handfull of words,and,where I was concerned about the impossibility of communicating with her (since her 4 year old,together with her 2 1/2 year old niece,had tried to find their way to that young nieces home and where lost),

          It proves to be kind of a problem now,in case I’m in big trouble.I can’t tell her what’s wrong,and she can’t explain to others (doctor,ambulance etc) what’s wrong with me,should she know.

          Just like you,I think that my scheme in the near future is on iron,B11 and B12 supplementation.I hope that,for once,my doc will agree with me.More than once she accused me of “playing my own doctor”.Well,that’s my legal right,and,while all their “medicines” ,during the past 20+ years,made me sick and damaged my heaalth,I needed all mu knowledge,ánd the info on the web,to,at least,recover from part of the damage,they caused.

          The only reason to phone her,and to go there,tomorrow,is for a diagnose.And,maybe,then my insurance will pay some of the supplements? I pay a lot of insurance money,every month,and more and more medicines are “over the counter” and not covered by that insurance.Not to forget;almost €400 own risk.

  13. Barbara Arnold March 19, 2020 at 3:31 am Reply

    Dolphins are swimming in Venice again. The air over China is clear. These are some positives. Maybe we can keep it this way when this is all over.

    • Andrea March 19, 2020 at 7:43 am Reply

      Very interesting Barbara…the positive side effects of this situation. But sadly, I don’t think we will ever learn…

    • L March 19, 2020 at 10:02 am Reply

      Many of us here in California have been saying how blue the skies are. With less commuting, fewer flights and cruises, it certainly is a benefit for the environment.

  14. Barbara Arnold March 19, 2020 at 3:33 am Reply

    Mahmoud ELAwadi…..U-Tube very interesting.

    • Don M March 19, 2020 at 8:10 am Reply

      Barbra Arnold…… The link that you are referring to. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zmlw_xVggu0

      • Barbara Arnold March 19, 2020 at 8:28 am Reply

        Don M…..Thankyou very much I urge everyone to listen to this. It made perfect sense to me. I’d like to know your thoughts everyone.
        Don M…can you explain how you did the link. I am on a tablet not a computer so it may be different.

        • Don M March 19, 2020 at 9:21 am

          Barbra Arnold…… Tablet? I don’t know but on a computer it is highlight the URL, hold down Ctrl and hit C. Go to where you want it to paste and hold down Ctrl and hit V. Your URL or copy will appear.
          If you are using a tablet (and your tablet supports blue tooth) I would suggest that you look into a Blue Tooth keyboard. You may also want to get a blue tooth mouse. They can make a tablet more like a computer. I have a keyboard for my tablet and they are (in most cases) less than $20. Have not learned all about how to use it yet. Also if you have a blue tooth enableable phone it will work there too.

        • L March 19, 2020 at 11:12 am

          Blue tooth mouse (or anything blue tooth) not a good idea. More RF radiation. I use a plug in mouse, non blue tooth headphones, and turn off blue tooth on my phone. https://www.electricsense.com/bluetooth-radiation-lets-be-clear-on-the-dangers/

        • Don M March 19, 2020 at 12:07 pm

          L…. I agree about the EMF radiation that is all around us. If the tablet supports it there is a dongle that one can buy to connect the tablet to an ethernet cable. I bought one to try with my (cheap) tablet and evidently the tablet will not support it. Oh well. Another gadget to add to my collection of things that don’t work for me.

      • Barbara Arnold March 19, 2020 at 9:33 am Reply

        Thanks Don, I’ll look into it. It sounds like I have to train to be a brain surgeon lol.

  15. Andrea S. March 19, 2020 at 8:07 am Reply

    There was a new article that came out regarding possible blood type and corona virus infection. According to a Chinese study (not sure if I believe it), Blood type A was more vulnerable to the virus VS type O. Again no sure how accurate this is and I am certain in the months to come this will be studied more. I just thought I would share.

    https://www.sciencealert.com/paper-suggests-certain-blood-types-might-be-slightly-more-susceptible-to-covid-19

    • Barbara Arnold March 19, 2020 at 8:32 am Reply

      Yes Andrea, I’ve seen this to, and like you I don’t know if its accurate. I am blood type B but my poor husband is A, so I’m sort of hoping its not accurate.
      I’m with you about people changing. Greed is corrupting and addictive.
      Please read the link that Don did and tell me what you think. The guy is a well respected financier in the US. I think he’s spot on.

      • Andrea S. March 19, 2020 at 8:56 am Reply

        I will check out Don’s link. I am type O positive. I would not put much weight on this study yet as I don’t believe a word China says. It will be interesting what other scientists come up with regarding blood type. It may make sense why some get this worse then others? And their constitution must play a large role along with genetics?

      • Andrea S. March 19, 2020 at 9:39 am Reply

        Barbara great link. Thank you Don for posting it. Very good points he is making! Scary as well.

    • L March 19, 2020 at 10:44 am Reply

      Damn.

  16. Mary March 19, 2020 at 9:01 am Reply

    Is anyone concerned that chloroquine is now a treatment for Covid 19? It is a first generation flouroquinolone? Do you think we dare take it?

    • Andrea S. March 19, 2020 at 9:36 am Reply

      Mary I am confused also. I am not seeing fluoride as part of the chemical structure of these antimalarials or at least in the drugs mentioned that are now potentially being implemented to help Covid-19. Am I missing something?

      • A.Coleman March 19, 2020 at 9:53 am Reply

        Andrea and Mary; just saw this too and was about to post after a bit of research. According to the Website – MyQuin Story’s “What Helps” section:

        Having had an adverse reaction to fluoroquinolones, you should not take
        fluoroquinolones or quinolones again for the rest of your life as the medication
        insert states. This list includes Cipro, Levaquin, Avelox, Floxin. It is undetermined
        but possible reactions might also occur from the synthetic quinoline anti-malaria
        drugs chloroquine and Lariam (mefloquine), though Plaquenil (hydroxychloroquine)
        appears to be usually fairly well tolerated. Your next FQ exposure will always be
        much worse than your last. We are not doctors and can’t tell you what to do, but
        several floxies write a special note on their doctor forms “adverse reaction –
        fluoroquinolones” near the allergy section.

        So, it suggests that Plaquenil (hydroxychloroquine), which is the form that is referenced in the French study is tolerated.

        Best bet is just to avoid getting COVID-19 altogether. But if I was in hospital on a ventilator and couldn’t breathe given the information above I would allow the drug to be administered.

        Read more at this link – http://www.myquinstory.info/what-helps/

        • Andrea S. March 19, 2020 at 10:28 am

          A. Coleman thank you so much for that! I appreciate your posting.

          Years ago I was on a very short trial of Plaquenil but stopped it due to the concern of retinal damage. If you take this drug there is potential for retinal damage but it was explained to me that is more a long term basis 1+ months daily. If you are on it high doses for arthritis they suggest seeing your Opthalmologist several times a year to check the back of the eye.

          I do wonder if they start using this, what the standard dosage would be and the length one would be on it?

          I agree avoid this nasty Corona as much as possible and self isolate until further info is avail.

          L had posted a link regarding Curcumin. I am on it for inflammation. So the more I read the better it is sounding. Not only does it reduce inflammation, but there is study that it helps lung function and prevent lung fibrosis and wards off virus. A study also showed that it had mild antimaliarial effects. So this is enough for me to stick with it.

          I wish all of you the best of health and please stay healthy. Praying this disease slowly fades out and away in a reasonable amount of time.

      • Barbara Arnold March 28, 2020 at 10:18 am Reply

        It’s a cousin of fluroquinolones

        • Andrea S. March 28, 2020 at 2:19 pm

          Thanks Barbara. After researching I found it was the first gen of Quinolones. I am still trying to understand though how it attacks the mitochondria? I know the Fluoride component is responsible for ravaging our cells so I am trying to understand when it is minus the F compound how it still does it? I read on My Quinn page not to take it.

          For me I just ordered an insane amount of vitamin c. It’s marked up all over 4 times the normal cost. All the vitamin sites I can find are sold out. I will mega dose should I fall ill… It can’t hurt based on some potential promising studies.

        • L March 28, 2020 at 4:04 pm

          Don’t know where you are located, but almost across the country (US) this is price gouging…anything over 10% on items like food, sanitation. I think Vitamin C might also qualify. Anyhow, once you get the items I would file a complaint with the attorney general of your state (or county) and you might be able to get some of it refunded to you.

        • Andrea S. March 29, 2020 at 11:36 am

          L I am here in the states. I know the price gouging is horrendous. I looked online on all the sites that sell it at asking price and all sold out so I did find some vitamin C on other sites and just wanted to have them. I think the people selling the Tylenol, hand sanitizer and TP for 5x’s the going rate is downright criminal.

        • Henk Noordhuizen March 30, 2020 at 1:56 am

          Here’s an excellent article by Dr.Mercola,on quinine (made from the bark of the Cinchona ledgeriana and other Chinchona trees) and Chloroquine (one of the synthisized forms),used today to fight the Corona virus.

          Even the natural form,quinine,has quite severe adverse reactions.To make things worse,later on Fluoride was added to “fortify” the used,synthisized forms.The Fluoride,one of the most aggresive toxins,known by mankind,is probably the main cause of mitochondrial and DNA damage by FQ’s.

          https://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2020/03/30/chloroquine-malaria-meds-for-covid-19.aspx?cid_source=dnl&cid_medium=email&cid_content=art1HL&cid=20200330Z2&et_cid=DM495143&et_rid=840002753

    • sheila March 19, 2020 at 2:57 pm Reply

      Live with the drug or die without I choose take the drug. I’d rather have side affects than die.

      • L March 19, 2020 at 3:06 pm Reply

        Since I prayed for death every day for the first year of cipro toxicity, I would choose death over the drug.

        • Andrea S. March 19, 2020 at 7:20 pm

          So the chemical makeup for the drug does not contain fluorine or fluoride atom at least that’s what I am seeing when I google the chemical structure. It’s got Chlorine which is highly reactive like Fluorine but the F particle is the one that destroys cells and our mitochonria? I am still confused as to the dangers since it is missing the F compound?

          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydroxychloroquine#/media/File:Hydroxychloroquine.svg

          https://pubchem.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/compound/Hydroxychloroquine

        • L March 28, 2020 at 10:27 am

          It’s not even a quinolone. It’s a quinolone…which is not in the same family of drugs as fluoroquinolones….but they are related, more like cousins. But these too seem to have a long list of possible serious side effects, including retinal damage. My vision was effected enough by Cipro. Plus I have now read several stories about people having bad side effects. One woman said it killed her husband. So, it’s not just the fluoride that is a concern. I found this site regarding quinolines https://quinism.org/press-releases/dangers-of-antimalarial-quinolines-against-covid-19/

        • L March 28, 2020 at 10:31 am

          OOPS should have read “It’s not even a quinolone, it’s a QUINOLINE”

      • Andrea March 19, 2020 at 5:16 pm Reply

        I could never be sure about it, unless I’m in that situation, and I hope I would never find myself in that situation, but yes, I’d probably choose to die than taking a FQ again. Life after FQ isn’t life anymore. Like a woman described it, at that EMA hearing, it’s a living hell.

      • A.Coleman March 20, 2020 at 6:53 am Reply

        L and Andrea; certainly your choice but Plaquenil (hydroxychloroquine) does not have that additional fluoride molecule that allows it to penetrate so widely. It is a drug that has been around since 1955.

        I am not advocating running out and taking a preventative course; but

        Based on the lack of a fluoride molecule
        It has been on the market so long
        and MOSTLY information noted above about it being tolerated by other floxies

        I would take it if it were necessary.

        If my case got bad enough that I was admitted to a hospital and they wanted to give it to me I would take it. If it was truly a FQ then I agree my answer would be no and I would take my chances without it.

        • L March 20, 2020 at 10:34 am

          It’s not even a quinolone. It’s a quinoline. BUT have you read the possible side effects? https://www.drugs.com/sfx/hydroxychloroquine-side-effects.html

        • Andrea S. March 20, 2020 at 11:33 am

          L I took this drug about 10 years ago for a skin condition. I was on it for a very brief time because it can be toxic to the eyes if taken longer term. I think even short term 30 days every day but it was more long term so you need to get regular eye checks if on it for longer spans. I am not certain as of yet the length of time it would be administered after one gets Covid-19? They make it sound short term like days?

        • L March 20, 2020 at 12:00 pm

          No idea. But I wouldn’t want to risk it. I already had so much eye damage from the cipro.

        • Andrea S. March 20, 2020 at 12:48 pm

          I remember you saying that. I don’t blame you. Not one single bit.

        • L March 20, 2020 at 10:43 am

          I also think a willingness to take it depends greatly on how badly you were floxed. What I went through the first couple years was nightmarish. I gasped for every breath for months; I had terrifying mental side effects: I had a lot of really frightening vision issues; I had just horrific in-the-bone-pain. I had olfactory nerve damage to where I became a prisoner because everything in the world choked and asphyxiated me. Everything. Even a baked potato “hurt” to smell. I prayed for death every day for the first year. So no, I would not risk setting any of that off again.

      • L March 28, 2020 at 4:06 pm Reply

        unless you had been through what some of us have experience, that was so terrifying, and so nightmarish you would never want to chance going through it again. Hard to put into words just how horrifying my experience was….

  17. Andrea March 19, 2020 at 10:42 am Reply

    According to the news, Italy has surpassed the number of deaths of China. Many doctors are dying too, so not only eldelry and weak people. Stay safe everyone

  18. Andrea March 19, 2020 at 12:35 pm Reply

    Everyone google “interferon Cuba Coronavirus” intersting stuff…

  19. Don M March 19, 2020 at 2:51 pm Reply

    Everyone……… Breathing and touching things may get you infected with the Coronavirus. Daaaa!!! An excerpt from: https://www.healthshots.com/health-news/coronavirus-can-last-on-surfaces-for-hours/ The novel coronavirus infectious particles can remain stable in air and linger on solid surfaces for spans ranging from several hours to days, suggests a new study. This study was conducted by the researchers of National Institutes of Health, CDC, UCLA and Princeton University and was published in The New England Journal of Medicine.
    Coronavirus can last on metal surfaces as well
    The scientists found that severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2) was detectable in aerosols for up to three hours, up to four hours on copper, up to 24 hours on cardboard, and up to two to three days on plastic and stainless steel.
    Comforting information. Right?

  20. April Rinaldi March 19, 2020 at 4:42 pm Reply

    This is a question. Just posted that chloroquine is effective for coronavirus for treatment and prevention. Does this work as a floriquinalone?

    • Andrea S. March 19, 2020 at 7:13 pm Reply

      I just asked a friend of mine who is a Molecular Scientist. I hope she can give me some answers because I barely made it through Chemistry.

    • A.Coleman March 20, 2020 at 6:56 am Reply

      April – see the post about three up where this is discussed. Chloroquine does not have a fluoride molecule.

  21. L March 19, 2020 at 6:07 pm Reply

    Disgusted. Just watching TV and the “experts” on corona virus included Margaret Hamburg, the former FDA head who was charged with rackeetering in federal court for approving levaquin while her husband was heavily invested. And her and another doctor were saying there is currently no treatment, ignoring the Cuban drug helping in China. And of course they were talking about the new ones they are coming up with…more quinolones.

  22. Michael Tombros March 19, 2020 at 7:06 pm Reply

    How’s everybody doing?

    After my flare-up 2 weeks ago, I started going back to acupuncture and had 2 HBOT treatments. So far so good. No real flare up since.

    I had to continue taking my gabapentin though even though my plan was to be off it as of this month. I’m reducing again and aim to be gabapentin free as of 2 weeks from now.

    I’m also planning to see an integrative doctor soon, and we discussed possible treatment with infra-red laser, more powerful HBOT and ivs.

    Will keep you all posted.

    • L March 19, 2020 at 7:47 pm Reply

      sounds good!

    • A.Coleman March 20, 2020 at 7:54 am Reply

      Michael – I hope you are able to get off the gabapentin. It will may be bad for the first month or so; but in the long term you will be glad you did.

      Due to other reasons I was forced to suspend my Vitamin B supplements in late 2019. I stayed off them for nearly two months and while the first three or so weeks were bad my neuropathy actually got back to where it was before within a month or so. Having said that I had been on B vitamins for nearly three years when I took the break; so going cold turkey for you now may not be the best choice.

      I might have stayed off the B Vitamins completely but my digestive problems started getting worse and I started them again. Though at the suggestion of my naturopath I do not take them on the weekends and plan to take another break a few months from now.

      Hope you can find a way to keep doing your HBOT during the pandemic. Looks like your isolation in NZ has kept you spared so far. Just a hint; start stocking up on supplies now; it will be there eventually.

  23. Don M March 20, 2020 at 7:13 am Reply

    Everyone……. Just a quick comment. I was watching comments by someone on the news and his discussion about the Coronavirus. His comments were: “The virus enters the body through the head”. “It does not enter through the skin”. (unless maybe you have an open wound) “This virus can enter through the eyes, mouth, nose or ears”. “WASH YOUR HANDS”. “Wash them often with soap for at least 20 seconds”. “Keep your fingernails clean”. “DO NOT touch your face with your hands”. May I repeat that……. Keep your hands away from your face and all it’s openings.

    I have also seen in several places information about the life of the virus on things. The virus can live on surfaces from 3 to 9 days. It’s life depends on the surface. It can travel from a person at least 3 feet. (Social Distancing) If you are sick stay home!!!
    Because there are so many who are not taking it serious enough this virus is going to be a problem for a long time. It ain’t going to be over in 30 or 60 days. Do you part so we can defeat this threat ASAP.

  24. smibo123 March 20, 2020 at 2:31 pm Reply

    I’ve been out for 3 years now and my healing was about 95%. I felt very comfortable again. The only permanent damage was the vitreous detachment.
    Unfortunately I got high doses of dexamethasone after an operation and my CNS symptoms came back tremendously. In addition, a strong tinnitus, feelings of suicide, panic and fear. The whole thing took about 3 months and is now slowly subsiding. Unfortunately the tinnitus is still there.

    Did any of you have a reflox with dexamethasone?

    • Henk Noordhuizen March 21, 2020 at 3:11 am Reply

      No;never used it.But,apart from the fact that Floxies,most of the time,have very strong reactions when they use cortisonen,this particular one also has a Fluoride component.After being floxed you’d better stay away as far as possible from everything,including “medicines”,containing Fluoride;even a simple cup of tea can sent Floxies back into misery! So;Dexamethasone means “double troubles” for Floxies.I hope,your relapse will be a short one,with no lasting problems.Good luck!

    • Henk Noordhuizen March 21, 2020 at 3:19 am Reply

      smibo,this link might help:

      https://www.tinnitus.org.uk/tinnitus-and-magnesium

      For tinnitus,I guess that Magnesium L-Threonate is the best form,because,of all magnesium supplements only that one proves to pass the blood-brain barrier quite easily.And there’s where you’ll need it.

      • L March 21, 2020 at 10:47 am Reply

        That’s the form of mag I was on for a long time, recommended by cardiologist. Guess it’s not meant to be. But thanks

        • Henk Noordhuizen March 22, 2020 at 3:37 am

          L.As you know,all Floxies are,and react different.What’s not working in one person with tinnitus may well help somebody else.The sinnitus website has put it on their website because it helps in some cases.The cause of sinnitus is not yet (well) known,which makes finding possible solutions very difficult.It could be nerve damage,which makes magnesium,Omega 3 and some of the B vitamines worth trying,but nerve repair takes much time,anyway,so,even with the right supplements it could well be that most people give up before having the first possitive results,thinking,this is not the right treatment for them.

    • Henk Noordhuizen March 21, 2020 at 3:35 am Reply

      Reading the long list of adverse reactions might be another help to stay away of these kind of “medicines”.I don’t understand how poison like this gets it’s place on the World Health Organization’s List of Essential Medicines, the safest and most effective medicines needed in a health system.Safest???? Like…Cipro ?

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dexamethasone

      One thing that struck me,on that page:”Nonmedical use: Dexamethasone is given in legal Bangladesh brothels to prostitutes not yet of legal age, causing weight gain aimed at making them appear older and healthier to customers and police.”

      What a world,what a world…..

      • Barbara Arnold March 21, 2020 at 6:08 am Reply

        Henk.. You don’t understand how poison like this gets in the Who list of essential medicines???? Money and greed that’s how. Corruption and power. Speaking of which, I’ve just been reading Agenda 2030 drawn up by the United Nations to have one world government by 2030.The aim to irradicate poverty, disease, climate change, to install equality for everyone. In other words Utopia. 1984????? In order to achieve this to first have to control the masses, how?? by fear ie Corona virus. We are being controlled here in Europe this very moment by fear. SARS did not do this in early 2000, and the numbers were far worse than now.
        For those of you with Tin Hats Google it and U Tube it. It made the hairs on the back of my head stand up. For anyone who thinks I’m a conspirist, you could be right. I like to think I am a critical thinker and I’m not a sheep being led to slaughter.
        The next few months will tell us where we are headed.
        I’m following the money trail.
        Stay safe everyone.

        • sheila March 21, 2020 at 12:04 pm

          According to the World Health Organization (WHO), a total of 8,098 people worldwide became sick with SARS during the 2003 outbreak. Of these, 774 died. In the United States, only eight people had laboratory evidence of SARS-CoV infection. All of these people had traveled to other parts of the world where SARS was spreading. SARS did not spread more widely in the community in the United States.

          We have FAR FAR exceeded those stats with Covid19

        • Barbara Arnold March 22, 2020 at 6:21 am

          Sheila, your right. My apologies I meant to say the H1N1 in 2009/210 which was a pandemic flu strain. The corona virus seems to spread far quicker, but I’m skeptical , because China seems to have cracked it. That’s if they are telling the truth though hmmmm.

        • Sheila March 22, 2020 at 9:58 am

          Well we’re both right, I did more checking and because of the ratio of sick to dead with SARS – SARS had a higher percentage rate of death at this point to Covid 19 – god help us I hope it stays that way. But as far as the number of deaths we are well past it but the ratio is not as high. My town has now gotten it’s first confirmed case and we are all going into lockdown of course no one listened to me when I said you realize we haven’t had our first case because we just weren’t testing. They were out there contaminating everything – we just didn’t know for sure. I hope my husband stays home from work he is in the public everyday meeting and greeting people and servicing their needs in a car dealership. Way to public right now. And he won’t stay out of the home improvement stores this weekend. I pray he understands we are in 7-30 day lockdown in my state now.

        • Barbara Arnold March 22, 2020 at 10:10 am

          Sheila and everyone else,
          Here in Spain they are ramping up. In the small Spanish town where I live they are disinfecting the streets. We have 4 people died so far. No testing so dont know much else. Italy and Spain are ahead, make no mistake it will arrive where you are a lot worse. Tell your husband to stop now and do social distancing and practice very good hygiene. Whatever this is about, it’s real and its happening now. Staying home apart from going for essentials, food, meds, bank will help save your lives and other lives. Going to the improvement store is NOT essential. He should think of others and you especially. I hope he does.

  25. Andrea March 21, 2020 at 7:49 am Reply

    Not to play devil’s advocate, but I belive cortisone, and all the drugs containing it, are considered essential medicines, because, as far as I know, are the only ones, together with epinephrine (adrenaline), that can save your life in case of anaphylaxis.
    Nasty stuff, anyway, expecially for us floxies.
    By the way, weight gain and swollen face and neck, are well known side effects of a prolonged use of cortisone at high dosage. It’s a steroid hormone.

  26. David March 21, 2020 at 8:46 am Reply

    Hi Nicole. Luv Vancouver. Grad of SFU.
    Yep. Elevator buttons, door handles, knobs, plastic grocery bags hold virus for up to three days. I too go out shopping once a week. Senior days start at 7am. Yikes. I too am just having my coffee then. Most seniors find that difficult. Our Home Depot stores have senior hours …. again. You have to sleep n parking lot to best the lineups for disinfectant wipes. Lol

    • L March 21, 2020 at 11:18 am Reply

      It’s worse than that. NINE days. I clean my phone when I get home for mthe store as well as credit cards. https://www.forbes.com/sites/victoriaforster/2020/02/09/scientists-predict-coronavirus-may-live-for-up-to-nine-days-on-surfaces/#3e30589914e3

      • Henk Noordhuizen March 22, 2020 at 3:29 am Reply

        Which makes this type of virusses an excellent candidate for biological warfare.

        • Don M March 22, 2020 at 6:02 am

          Henk……… A speculative scenario. As was reported early on (true or false only the perpetrators would know) this is a virus that was either created or revved up at a lab. How would they (quietly) get it into circulation? Infect some animals or ??? at one of the food markets. And the rest is history. History that is being written every day. Terrible history. It is being said that this virus is much more contagious than previous viruses or the flu. Purpose for introducing it? The elites idea for reducing the population of the world by causing a pandemic that causes a big loss of life.

          Sad, but it is being said that the virus problem is not going to be overcome soon. Let us all hope that it is wrong.

        • Sheila March 22, 2020 at 10:02 am

          I see it as a tragedy. Some animals are so close in molecular structure that we can use their body parts in humans – that means that the viruses that they carry can jump species, which is what happened in the china animal market which is filthy and disgusting. It was just a matter of time before these viruses intermingled and mutated into something that could jump to humans and do this. Mother nature has a way of protecting herself and I think it’s “her” way of shaking us off due to not being able to sustain how many people are here. It’s a natural cycle of lessening the strain on resources.

    • Nicole March 21, 2020 at 8:58 pm Reply

      Hi David. So I made it to Whole Foods senior hour as it was 8 to 9. I do shop there but there are things you can’t buy at Whole Foods so will have to find another store as well. Do need duck tape so guess I will have to join the gang in the parking lot at Home Depot. Lol.
      Concerning the elevator buttons and door knobs, I have become quite talented with my elbow. 😂😂😂 They are not letting us use our reusable grocery bags after training us to use them. I’m confused enough in normal life much less all you have to think about now. 😂
      Hang in there!

      • L March 21, 2020 at 9:01 pm Reply

        Where are you? Because many stores here in CA are OUT of bags so you have to use your own.

        • Nicole March 21, 2020 at 10:24 pm

          Vancouver, B.C. Canada
          Some stores will let you use your own but you have to bag yourself. Others won’t. After all these years getting you away from plastic and charging if you use a bag they are now not charging and pushing you to take plastic or the paper at stores like Whole Foods that use paper only. They feel your bags from home can be contaminated.

        • L March 21, 2020 at 10:37 pm

          well I can certainly understand the concern. I have been using a disinfectant wipe on my phone and credit card when I come home and it just dawned on me (after learning corona virus can live up to NINE days on metal, plastic, etc) that the bags I use have kind of a plastic coating on them and I should be cleaning those too.

  27. Andrea March 22, 2020 at 8:25 am Reply

    I don’t rule out anything, but since the beginning of this pandemic, it was speculated that it was soemthing created in a lab. Me, personally, I don’t know what to think. After reading Don’s last comment, I’ve tried to find some article about it. Let me know what you guys think. Is it reliable or not?
    https://www.livescience.com/coronavirus-not-human-made-in-lab.html

    PS, Don, you’re right, this is not going to end up soon. Here in Italy we’re already “a step forward”, compared to the rest of the world, but we’re expecting to see some improvements, maybe, by the end of the next month. But more realistically, by the end of May.

    • Don M March 22, 2020 at 9:41 am Reply

      Andrea……. Thanks for your post. After reading it I see a better picture of the virus and how it works. As you say we don’t know, but could someone or some organization helped this virus along to get from animal to human? There are plenty of people out there with ulterior motives.

    • Henk Noordhuizen March 22, 2020 at 9:44 am Reply

      “If scientists had deliberately engineered this virus, they wouldn’t have chosen mutations that computer models suggest won’t work. But it turns out, nature is smarter than scientists, and the novel coronavirus found a way to mutate that was better — and completely different— from anything scientists could have created, the study found.”

      It is not man-made because it is too effective to be man-made??? Since when do chinese secret labs publish all their scientific advances? How do we know if,or not,these labs have scientific knowledge about genetically manipulating virusses in ways,western (official) science can,ntill now,only dream of?

      I’m pretty sure that the real source of this virus will be kept secret because,once our governments know what’s behind it,they will not let us know,but use this info to use it in their own secret labs.Their policy is,as you may know: “our citizens are stupid,and we best keep them stupid,and easy to manipulate.”

      • Andrea March 22, 2020 at 10:00 am Reply

        And…even if we knew for sure it was created in a lab, for the nastiest reason, what are we supposed to do? No, really? what am I, or you, or anyone else are supposed to do. Trying to investigate all this things it’s just a waste of time, Sure, you can do it, if that amuse you, but they’ll do whatever they want anyway.
        And the problem here, isn’t just the virus. I’m thinking about all the terrible effects this is going to bring economically speaking. All the excuses they’ll find to screw us even more, after all this will pass.

        • Henk Noordhuizen March 22, 2020 at 10:13 am

          Don’t under-estimate the power of the masses.The moment,all people in the world would get together and say:”We don’t accept these kind of things,anymore,not from our governments nor from any other entity or institution,the “elite”included,things would start to change for the better.That’s the reason why they try to split our community in as many different,and small groups as possibe,and set us up against each other.Moslims against Christians,homo’s against hetero’s,men against women,parents against children,etc.This is one of the oldest tactics,known to mankind,and it’s still very efficient.

        • L March 22, 2020 at 10:35 am

          Totally agree Henk. (George Carlin had a great routine on that very thing…the powers that be pitting groups of people against one another, while they slowly pick out pockets.) Sadly, many have drunk the kool aid. That trump has a 46% approval rating, in spite of his more than 10,000 lies; history of sexual assault; using the WH has his own personal bank account; bumbling this epidemic outrageously and on and on…well, it really is disheartening. When I read your post, the first thing that came to mind was the French Revolution.

        • Henk Noordhuizen March 29, 2020 at 11:15 am

          “That trump has a 46% approval rating, in spite of his more than 10,000 lies; history of sexual assault; using the WH has his own personal bank account”

          In spite of? Better make that “Thanks to”! People admire him for doing all these things,and getting away with it.Same as,when a poor guy steals a bread in the supermarket,people are disgusted.But when one steals many thousands,or even millions from the community (by fiscal fraud,or so),many people admire the criminal,especially when he gets away with it.Not even realizing it is their own (tax) money that was stolen.

          Revolutions don’t “happen” overnight,and the elite has well understoof history: keep the population stupid occupied and amused,and tell them that everything,you do is for “the greater good”,and for all the people,including them and their offspring.They are “trained” (brainwashed) to believe such lies.

        • Andrea March 22, 2020 at 11:19 am

          Yeah right…😂

          Belive me, I don’t under.estimate the power of the masses, as a matter of fact, I truly belive what the great George Carlin used to say : “Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups.”

        • L March 22, 2020 at 11:21 am

          Two George Carlin references in one day 🙂

        • Henk Noordhuizen March 22, 2020 at 11:54 am

          “Never underestimate the power of informed people in large groups.”

        • Andrea March 22, 2020 at 11:27 am

          What’s the other one? I must have missed it!

        • L March 22, 2020 at 1:09 pm

          Can’t find it now (or maybe it didn’t “take.” I posted about how Carlin had a routine about how the corporations and governments pit groups against one another, to distract them while they pick our pockets.

        • Andrea March 22, 2020 at 11:58 am

          😂There’re no informed people in large groups!

        • Henk Noordhuizen March 22, 2020 at 12:12 pm

          Want to correct you,here: There’are no informed people in large ENOUGH groups! YET!

        • Henk Noordhuizen March 22, 2020 at 12:14 pm

          I want to correct you,here.There are no informed people in large ENOUGH groups! YET!

        • Andrea March 22, 2020 at 12:27 pm

          And there will never be, people don’t give a F.

          Junk food to stuff their mouth with, sex, porn, TV, drugs, useless things to buy…and people are as happy as they can be!

        • Andrea March 22, 2020 at 1:09 pm

          I’ve tried to post a comemnt, but apparently it wasn’t approved. I’ll try it again, using different expressions.

          There will never be enough groups of informed people, simply because, people just don’t care. As long as the majority of people are willingly accepting to be “sleep” and be hypnotized by trivial stuff : TV, Internet, junk food, useless “shiny” things to buy, they’ll be as happy as they can. There’ll be no revolution, no walls to break, no nothing. We’ll keep burying ourselves deeper and deeper

        • Henk Noordhuizen March 22, 2020 at 2:19 pm

          Andrea,your attitude is exactly what they hope for.Thinking”There’s nothing we can do” is the main,and most effective thought for killing our future.But more and more groups of youngsters are getting aware of things like taking care of our invironment,cleaning the planet,incl. the oceans of plastics,eating healthy bio-organic foods etc. etc.Life itself,like most natural (sub-)systems,moves in waves.At the moment we are at the lowest point of such a wave,and things like the ones,I mentioned,indicate that we are slowly starting to go up the next wave,just like the Maya predicted.End of the old era,start of a new one.Your eternal pessimizm won’t help.

        • Andrea March 22, 2020 at 1:16 pm

          Yeah, Carlin was 50 years ahead of his time. Great comedian and great man!

        • L March 22, 2020 at 1:18 pm

          Agreed!

        • Barbara Arnold March 28, 2020 at 10:31 am

          Andrea, there will always be people that do care. The internet, twitter, facebook is full of people like that. Unfortunately there are a lot also that don’t care. But focus on the ones that do, because you get what you focus on.

      • Michael Tombros March 22, 2020 at 1:20 pm Reply

        I don’t think it was Chinese-made. Why would they release it into their own country first? I know people think there may have been a ‘leak’ but I also find that unrealistic. They have the technology to develop all of this stuff, let alone perform most of the world’s manufacturing, develop better quantum computers than they US, but they can’t contain a virus in a military lab? I think this theory is no more plausible than that it was engineered by US and deployed as a bio-weapon during the Wuhan games a month before (that’s the Chinese theory). There may have been a cover up by China but that was more for internal propaganda purposes ‘keep calm and carry on’ etc. More likely imho it’s just a mutation of an animal strain into human, brought about by animal consumption/agriculture. Another reason to go plant based. We were warned for decades. If you watch the movie ‘contagion’ there was a warning there also…

    • L March 22, 2020 at 10:24 am Reply

      I believe it did start in a lab. Their lab already had SARS, Ebola, other flu strains. And that the author of the bio weapons anti terrorism act of 1989 believes this, I think is more meaningful. https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=francis+boyle+corona+&&view=detail&mid=53E699ECCCB2842A62D253E699ECCCB2842A62D2&&FORM=VRDGAR&ru=%2Fvideos%2Fsearch%3Fq%3Dfrancis%2Bboyle%2Bcorona%2B%26FORM%3DHDRSC3

      • Don M March 22, 2020 at 12:50 pm Reply

        L….. I watched the video and listened to what he had to day. He is probably more right than we know.

        • L March 22, 2020 at 1:13 pm

          Sadly, yes. These labs should not exist.

  28. Rai March 22, 2020 at 12:27 pm Reply

    There is some information about Cuba’s use of interferon and HIV antivirals in this article from Spain. They are collaborating with China and sharing their biotech with Spain, Mexico and other countries.

    The links are in Spanish but they have a lot of useful information as well

    “Due to its good results in China, Cuban interferon began to be included in the treatment of a coronavirus patient in Seville, the first case in Spain. Authorized by the Ministry of Health, the Virgen del Rocío Hospital began an experimental treatment on a covid-19 patient that combined protease inhibitors (lopinavir/ritonavir) with interferón.

    The combination of lopinavir and ritonavir inhibit and block the HIV virus and, it is hoped, will act in a similar way with the coronavirus. Interferón Beta, another pharmaceutical used in China and Seville that was studied in Cuba, has a distinct actuation mechanism. It is one of the so-called signalling proteins that naturally produce human cells when infected by a virus. Its job is to alert the other cells, thereby creating greater resistance to infection.”

    https://zcomm.org/znetarticle/cuba-in-the-time-of-the-coronavirus/

    • Andrea March 22, 2020 at 1:00 pm Reply

      I’ve posted a link about interferone and cuba a couple of days ago.
      Interferone it’s used, among others things, to try to slow down the progression of Multiple Sclerosis. The side effects are horrendous, as far as I know. As a matter of fact, a young friend of mine, who is a MS patient, refuses to start the treatment, as he knows all this…

      • Rai March 22, 2020 at 1:26 pm Reply

        Pharma seems to be all about “slow the progression”. And it’s always one size fits all.

        • Andrea March 22, 2020 at 1:47 pm

          I can only imagine how big pharma will profit form all this. Vaccines, alleged cures…. Oh boy…

        • Don M March 22, 2020 at 2:20 pm

          Do pharmaceuticals ever “cure” anything or do they just mask the symptoms or put the underlying problem into remission?

        • L March 22, 2020 at 2:25 pm

          I vote for the latter

        • Andrea S. March 22, 2020 at 5:46 pm

          Don this is such a good question. I would elect to say they put it into remission. Cure? Perhaps when we are talking antibiotics that cure STD’s, or antimalarials which actually do eliminate the organism and antiparasitic. With chemotheraputic drugs I often wonder if cancer is truly cured or just put into a remission state. I hate to think about that one. But I do feel like some pharmaceuticals can indeed eliminate a disease process I feel the majority are just eliminating symptoms?

    • L March 22, 2020 at 1:12 pm Reply

      and I believe I posted a yale blog article on the same. It is disgusting that here in the US we will not even hear about it. We are told “there is not current treatment,” while big pharma works on something to further enrich themselves.

      • Rai March 22, 2020 at 2:42 pm Reply

        Even if the drug fails, the article does talk about cooperation happening around the world WITHOUT the US. Not because they are anti-American but because the US (companies) want it that way.

        • L March 22, 2020 at 2:53 pm

          a crime against humanity

  29. Andrea March 22, 2020 at 1:14 pm Reply

    Please read carefully, and this is just Healthline.com, so…
    https://www.healthline.com/health/hepatitis-c/interferons-long-term-effects

    • rai March 22, 2020 at 2:39 pm Reply

      That reads like floxing! We cured the virus (but the patient died)

      • L March 22, 2020 at 2:52 pm Reply

        🙂 Exaclty

  30. Don M March 22, 2020 at 5:12 pm Reply

    Everyone……… New Study Identifies What Are Likely To Be First Signs Of Coronavirus Infection https://northpointnews.com/2020/03/new-study-identifies-what-are-likely-to-be-first-signs-of-coronavirus-infection/
    Another new twist in the Coronavirus problem. It is discussing earlier diagnosis. Meaning treatment could start sooner.

    I have been wondering about all these congresspeople wondering around Washington. Seems that we have begun to have some failing the test and others who have been around them starting the self quarantine.

  31. Henk Noordhuizen March 23, 2020 at 3:12 am Reply

    Washing your hands with SOAP is the best way to clean them from virusses:

    https://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2020/03/23/best-hand-soap-for-frequent-hand-washing.aspx?cid_source=dnl&cid_medium=email&cid_content=art1HL&cid=20200323Z2&et_cid=DM489230&et_rid=834956282

    I made myself a big supply of cocos oil soap,a few month ago;tender for the skin and a joy for washing your hands,with the most creamy foam of all the soaps I ever used.Perfumed with ceder-oil and mandarin oil,I use it for showering as well;even wash my hair with it.My advice to all of you;if possible,make your own soap,and use it in stead of all the chemical loaded shower- ,hand- and bath gels.It’s easy,it’s fun,you can perfume your soap with one of the many availible natural etheric oils,and,using the cheapest cocos oil from the supermarket (which is,in my opinion,not suited for consumption!),you make a great soap for cheap.

  32. Barbara Arnold March 23, 2020 at 3:18 am Reply

    I just found out 80% Of all antibioctics are manufactured in China and many other drugs by Big Pharma.
    Here in my little Spanish town they now sanitising the streets.
    My husbands hospital appointment for the vertabrae problem in his neck has been cancelled. As are most other hospital appointments..
    Cases in Spain 29,909
    Deaths 1813
    Recovered 2575
    In my little town 4 deaths so far.

    A lot of these cases had underlying conditions, or been very old, may have died anyway, but tested for Corona virus and recorded as death by CV
    However, total idiots in the UK are still mixing with crowds outside in spite of the Government warning to stay at home apart from going out for essentials. These ignorant morons could be infecting others. Hopefully the Government will now ORDER lockdown. We have been at home for over 14 days now. Only out once 7 days ago for food. On the facebook page for my town they are saying this week is supposed to be the most infectious, so stay home. In my pea brain this would tell me if everyone stays home, its the best time to go for food. But I won’t because fear is brainwashing me as well as others.
    This week may or may not tell us something, in my guts NONE of this feels right, but my husband disagree’s with my theories, however he doesn’t search for information like I do.
    I just know the whole world is upside down and the numbers still don’t match what’s happening. Maybe because the numbers arn’t correct as there is very little testing.
    I’ll report back as and if things change as they have done in CHINA.

    • Henk Noordhuizen March 23, 2020 at 4:02 am Reply

      How about this:

      Netherlands.

      4217 confirmed cases

      179 death

      2 recovered

      179 death,and only 2 recovered?

      In my town 10 confirmed cases (a woman,living opposite my house,is coughing like crazy,for almost a week and refuses to go to her doctor,or phone her doc.Unconfirmed case?).My town has 66.800 residents.While the province of Brabant is the most infected place in the Netherlands,my town is in the small,western part where,untill now, (confirmed) cases are low.

    • Don M March 23, 2020 at 7:53 am Reply

      Barbara……. Re going out. I have resorted to trying to order everything possible online and (begrudgingly) paying the delivery costs. If I can’t get it there I will just be doing with out it I guess. I did not have my backup supply of furnace filters so I just ordered them from Amazon. For groceries…….. A Walmart with the outside pickup option is less than a mile away. I order weekly and my order ends up being what ever is still in stock. By the time I am ready to pick it up half (or more) is cancelled because it is out of stock. At least I do not have to be running around inside the store with people of unknown physical condition around me.

      How long is this game going to last? Probably longer than any of us can imagine or hope.

      • Barbara Arnold March 23, 2020 at 8:40 am Reply

        Sorry to hear that Don. I can’t do that here because I live in the mountains and they would never find my house. But I don’t think you can do it anyway.
        I’ve seen people in the UK waiting for their on line order for 3 weeks and even then they don’t get everything.
        We managed before all this kicked off to get stuff in for the freezer, so at the moment we are okay. We will need some fresh produce soon, but it’s pretty orderly here. People do stick to the rules and stand 2 metres apart. Before you enter the supermarket a girl at the door sanitiser’s your hands then gives you surgical gloves. No one is panic buying as such, because it’s a small town and people know each other, so they would be talked about if they did. The older Spanish here are a bit confused as most of them lived through Franco’s time and have never been abroad anywhere, or learned how to be on line. The police drive through the town with a tannoy telling people what to do. I’m so glad I’m here and not in the UK. Its chaos there at the moment.
        I think your doing the absolute right thing Don. Even if you don’t get everything you order. In and out as quick as possible. Washing hands thoroughly and don’t touch your face or hard surfaces.
        Stay safe and take care. This to shall pass. xx

  33. Andrea March 23, 2020 at 10:03 am Reply

    What amazes me, after reading your comments and looking at the news on line, is how stupid and incompetent our “leaders” are…Jesus Christ! Italy was already a mess almost a month ago, and none of the other EU countries (Spain, France, Germany, not to talk about the UK) did anything to try to prevent the obvious consequences. What they were thinking? They probably thought that Italy was already a mess and people here are considered “sloppy”, so “this is not going to happend to us”…
    And our Prime Minister is guitly too. That stupid bitch! When it all started, in places near Milan, they didn’t act immediately. They underestimated the risk. The president of Lombardy (the region where it all started and the most infected), wanted to shutdown everything immediately, but the PM didn’t listened to him. They created the “red zones”, so only isolating a few towns. And the rest it’s history.
    Not to talk about all those cowards, who, as soon as they felt soemthing was wrong, they packed everything and moved to other places (southern Italy expecially), where they have a second home, risking to infect everyone.

    • Don M March 23, 2020 at 11:05 am Reply

      Andrea…….. I think that the biggest problem world wide is that people are acting to flippant about the problem. Here in the US the college kids flocked to the beaches like there was nothing wrong. Now those that do have the still dormant virus are going back to college and home to expose others. The only way to describe the actions of far to many people is IDIOCY. I order groceries online from our local Walmart. One places their order online and drives to a pickup area where the groceries are loaded into your vehicle by Walmart employees. Now the employee even signs for your receipt of the groceries. Now I never have to touch a thing or leave my vehicle to get groceries. The only concern is……. is there Coronavirus on an item in this order. Everything entering the house must be disinfected to try the best we can not to pick up the virus. Now I try to order everything delivered to avoid going out and begrudgingly eat the delivery fees. The really scary thing is that the longer this goes on the more one’s chances of getting infected will be. Being a floie and 85 to boot I can not afford to get the virus. Self quarantine and frequent hand washing seem to be one’s future if you want to stay away from virus exposure.

    • Rae March 23, 2020 at 12:29 pm Reply

      Andrea, The U.S. that has a tremendous automative industry is not making ventilators for the world but is only just starting to think about it. They could have rushed to make them for Iran, for Italy but no, they had to think about being stuck with inventory or stupid things like that. Well, now the virus is in the U.S. and they could have had a zillion ventilators already available.
      And not enough face masks and gowns! They’re made of paper!
      Even if I am wrong about specific industries, supply chains, etc. I think you know what I mean. We need to think about each other everywhere in the world and respect each other and love each other.

      • Andrea March 23, 2020 at 2:03 pm Reply

        The US helping Iran?? C’mon now…

        • Rae March 23, 2020 at 4:59 pm

          That is my point. Notwithstanding basic human kindness, the fact is no virus gives a wit about a border.

        • Andrea March 23, 2020 at 6:00 pm

          I’m reading a lot about this crisis…lots of infos on how Russia was trying to help us, but the EU and the US didn’t like that and tryied to prevent Russia to bring us help. Right now, the only countries that sent us help are China and Russia, two supposedly “enemy” countries. The EU (which I always antagonized since the beginning) and the US are acting agaisnt us basically. The EU expecially…

        • Rae March 24, 2020 at 10:36 am

          Careful Andrea. R.T. is like F@x News

      • Andrea March 24, 2020 at 12:18 pm Reply

        I didn’t learned this from R.T.

  34. Don M March 23, 2020 at 6:38 pm Reply

    To everyone….. Would this work against the Coronavirus? I have been reading about magnetic pulsers and blood electrification. There is no direct information but since this method has been around for many years and studied by various people it appears that if it were tried on the Coronavirus it might work. Blood electrification works to kill off all microbes. Bacteria, viruses and fungus are all affected by it. Basically it does it by using a small pulsed electric current to electrocute them. The high voltage is of such short (millisecond) duration that it is not felt by the person.

    It is something that Henk has commented on many times in his posts. I won’t go into any more detail but if you have an interest in it there are many sites on the web that discus it. Just Google for it.
    I have just started using a magnetic pulser and I can vouch for one thing. It will soften or eliminate pain temporarily. Since it is totally non invasive it can be repeated as often as your heart desires.

    Obviously this flies in the face of big pharma (it’s cadre of pills and vaccines) and the standard medical practices who have convinced the FDA and other like entities around the world to outlaw any reference to this method as therapeutic. It might stop the Coronavirus. It is effective against viruses but someone needs to try it.

    • Andrea March 23, 2020 at 8:46 pm Reply

      “It will soften or eliminate pain temporarily” What kind of pain are you talking about ? (muslces,joints, stomach pain) and for how long?
      Thank you

      • Don M March 24, 2020 at 6:36 am Reply

        Hi Andrea…… It is very hard to try to give you a solid answer to your questions of what kind of pain and how long will relief last. Hard because there are so many variables. Let me give you an example. At 4 AM I awoke. I basically hurt everywhere. I spent the next hour with the magnetic pulser. About every 10 minutes I moved it from shoulder to shoulder then to my hips and low back for 10 minute sessions and last to my knee. After the hour (or so) I had about a 80% to 90% reduction in pain in the painful spots. Maybe even in some places absolutely no pain/discomfort.
        How long it lasts is rather hard to determine because if you get up and begin moving around you may begin to hurt and again the exercise may keep you limber enough that the pain/discomfort does not come back. About the “deep organ” pain/discomfort. I can’t address that from experience but information says it will work there too because at 6,000 Gauss it will penetrate body tissue up to 9 inches.

        Be aware….. It is not a quick fix (like a pill that just masks) it is stimulating the body to do it’s own repair. The pulsing effectively “electrocutes” the bacteria, viruses and fungus so that the body can remove (wash out) them from your system. At the same time it is stimulating the body’s natural endorphins that can mitigate the pain/discomfort.

        The Internet has many articles on the subject. Google for it and read all the information there. Here is just one of them….. http://www.healing-yourself.com/ElectronicZapper-%26-MagneticPulser.html

        I hope this gets people interested enough to Google it and look into it. Henk has also posted some information about the Bob Beck protocol which involves the Magnetic Pulser, the Blood Cleaner, Ozonated Water and Colloidal Silver.

        Would this work against the Coronavirus? We may never know because it is so simple, self administered and not profitable for the medical establishment or the drug companies.

    • Henk Noordhuizen March 24, 2020 at 4:09 am Reply

      I read of a test on malaria victims,with very good results.I found it back on the Bob Beck website.In this experiment,only the Silver Pulser unit seemst to be used.Because some viusses (malaria included) can hide in human cells,Magnestic pulsing is needed for a more permanent result:

      Click to access malaria-research-study-nigeria.pdf

    • Henk Noordhuizen March 24, 2020 at 4:22 am Reply

      The introduction to that study:

      https://www.bobbeck.com/ViewDetails.aspx?s=1&PrimaryID=1831

      You might want to read through the testimonials,especially the virus-related ones,for more info.

    • Henk Noordhuizen March 24, 2020 at 4:28 am Reply

      And here the “Build your own” instructions for both the blood pulser and the magnetic pulser.On the first page is a link to the Bob Beck Protocol handbook (FREE),or to buy a printed copy.

      Click to access build-your-own.pdf

  35. Don M March 24, 2020 at 6:55 am Reply

    To everyone……. Read this. https://www.bobbeck.com/pdfs/malaria-research-study-nigeria.pdf The medical establishment is going crazy over the idea that an “old” malaria drug may be a promising find for treatment of the Coronavirus. This “old” study also appears to be very promising. It was for Malaria, another virus. Will it get consideration? Doubtful because it does not have big $$$$ attached to it.

    • Andrea March 24, 2020 at 1:40 pm Reply

      Thanks Don

    • Rae March 24, 2020 at 2:00 pm Reply

      I saw a tweet where a Nigerian said they would rather die than take chloroquine, remembering how sick it made them feel as children when it was forced on them to prevent malaria.
      A lot of big money people are being chloroquine as well

      • L March 24, 2020 at 2:15 pm Reply

        I feel the same way.

      • Andrea S. March 24, 2020 at 2:26 pm Reply

        I took this drug (plaquenil) for a short trial run years ago for a skin condition. It did cause me to have a rash but I don’t recall any other negative side effects. However I was on a low dose. I have no idea what amount they would use in an IV for Covid-19.

  36. Andrea S. March 24, 2020 at 2:30 pm Reply

    Here is an interesting link on Plaquenil and the doses given for various ailments.

    https://www.medicinenet.com/hydroxychloroquine/article.htm#what_is_hydroxychloroquine_plaquenil_and_what_is_it_used_for

  37. Amanda March 24, 2020 at 7:01 pm Reply

    ****Very long comment and I am not a doctor – just a floxie who is
    giving my ordeal/experience with virus****
    My daughter was feeling unwell this morning.
    I took her to my kinesiologist. She was tested and came up
    as both viral AND bacterial. And it has hit her systems hard
    including: kidneys, lungs, intestines, colon, nervous,
    and her thyroid. She has had flu before and this tested
    as a harmful living organism she has never had in past times.
    Her early symptoms: weakness/tired, bad headache, slight
    cough. No fever nor sore throat yet.
    She has had this for 11 days now and today was first day
    of symptoms. She has been working at our local hardware store up until
    yesterday. We do have three confirmed cases of Covid-19 in our small town. One
    works in our post office and she worked three days while waiting on her son’s test results.
    He tested positive. She now has pneumonia.
    That being said…I was sick in December around Christmas with what I thought
    was a bad flu. I was down for two weeks, had fever five days straight,
    cough for a month, horrible joint pain and body aches, and lost weight.
    My fever spiked at 102.7 but mainly hovered 100 – 101. Cough was worst part.
    My kinesiologist did test me today along with my daughter.
    My daughter tested as having the same virus that I had back in December.
    Not saying it’s Covid-19, but symptoms are very much same.
    Now, my point in telling you all this: I am a floxie – floxed nine years
    ago. This is what helped me through my virus:
    (Please note: unsure if was Covid 19 – not tested!)
    Children’s ACF 1 tbsp – twice a day
    Occsillococinum(not sure about spelling) It’s a homeopathic remedy.
    1 vial – 3 or 4 times a day
    Diffuse lemon oil (also came up on my daughter’s testing-not sure how it helps)
    I also took 1 Tylenol twice a day when I had fever those
    five days. OFF dairy and NO sugar!!
    My daughter tested well with ACF to kill virus and Chlorohpyll to help with detox.
    I will probably get a lot of negative responses, but hopefully this will help
    someone who may need this information. Yes, I know all floxies are different, but
    the medicine combination worked for me. Along with diffused lemon oil.
    Also, Children’s ACF has many ingredients and it covers anti-viral, anti-bacterial, and
    anti-parasitic.
    Why Children’s ACF – because the adult ACF has mint and my body
    never tests well to anything with mint.
    No, I do not work for nor anyone I know works for Buried Treasure ACF brand.

    • Henk Noordhuizen March 25, 2020 at 3:55 am Reply

      Amanda,that’s an interesting story.Did you never concider getting your daughter tested for the corona virus? Just,to be sure? I really hope that the “protocol” that worked for you,will work for her daughter as well.I noticed this ingredient on the list: Purified Silver (Silversol 30ppm).Although there’s only a small amount in the recipy,it might be helpfull.

      • Amanda March 25, 2020 at 8:13 am Reply

        Henk, no I will not take her because she is very healthy
        with mild symptoms. If she becomes critical, then I will
        take her. So far, the ACF is working very well. She slept all
        night last night, and she asked me to make her fruit and
        scrambled eggs because she was very hungry. She does
        have a headache this morning and still some weakness.
        Yes, the ACF has purified silver. I do believe it is the
        combination of ingredients that works well together. Zinc is also
        an ingredient which I’ve seen they are using as part of treatment.

        • Henk Noordhuizen March 25, 2020 at 9:40 am

          Hi Amanda,I noticed from all the news on Corona that most children and younger people have only mild symptoms,and it may well be just a flu- or other virus (you had that virus in december,which make the chance of being a corona virus almost impossible).

          Her,asking for fruit and scrambled eggs means: 90% recovered ;-))

          I’m gonna go shopping now;I hope there are only a few people in that supermarket.I don’t like shopping,and corona makes it much worse.My anemia is a little better but the new experiences with my female doctor made me descide to not have any contact with her,anymore.Now,it’s in the hands of her male collegea,who is not only technically better,but also socially.She is 100% despot!

        • Amanda March 25, 2020 at 10:22 am

          Henk, not necessarily because my friends were at the Atlanta
          airport and it was extremely crowded. She stated they did eat
          lunch at an airport restaurant and the people at a table beside
          them were Asian and wearing masks. Keep in mind this was Christmas time. My friends came home and became sick with same symptoms. They are a younger and healthier
          couple than my husband and I. So, you see how easy it would have
          been for it to have already been in the US at Christmas. My youngest daughter, who is 12,
          also tested yesterday as having had same virus in the past. She had only a cough
          which we believed to have been allergies, as it has been a warmer winter for us.
          Everything here has bloomed early.
          Like I said, I will not have her tested unless she is critical. Since she had this
          eleven days and just started showing symptoms, her body seems to be putting
          up a great fight. Albeit some of her systems are testing very weak. Hopefully, the ACF
          and Chlorophyll will kill it and detox it out quickly. Her testing showed she needed
          to be on the ACF for 13 days and Chlorophyll for 9 days. The ACF should also
          help to rebuild her immune system once the virus is deactivated and detoxed.
          So sorry about your anemia. I have battled with it for years. It is hereditary among
          the females on my mom’s side of the family. I treat mine with blackstrap molasses taken
          with vitamin C and I eat meat and/or beans and eggs every day.

  38. Andrea March 24, 2020 at 8:12 pm Reply

    Hey guys, a little update on my new symptoms, hoping someone could give me some helpful advice. I don’t really know why, but in the last very few days (3 or max 4), I’m develpoing some skin condition, that really resemble psoriasis. It’s on my hands, both palms and back, lower legs, abdomen, arms. It’s like all my skin is very dehydrated and dry, with this strange withish layer on top. It just came out of the blue lately. The only reason I could imagine helped this to happend it’s that in the last few weeks I’m eating really unhelthy. I know it’s wrong, but when I do eat healthy, because of my gut issues, I get very bloated and constipated.
    I’ve always suffered from a very light form of psoriasis on my elbow, but it never grew up or anything like that, plus if I put some magnesium oil on it, or I exposed myself to the sun, it always went way pretty quickly, in a matter of days. Not this time though. The other day, on one of my elbows, there was a quite big piece of skin falling off. Never happende before. I’m so depressed. I’m almost sure, that, if it continues this way, I would end up looking like a freak. All my skin is so dry, even on my face.
    Man…the day I took that damn “probiotic”, I did the worst mistake of my life, since the FQ.
    I’m almost sure it’s something related to the guts. In 3 years my skin has aged 15 years.

    • L March 24, 2020 at 8:50 pm Reply

      I have hard time believing that a probiotic could cause all this. These damn flq toxins seem to cause so many issues that appear allergenic, or auto-immune-like. You mentioned having had “light psoroiasis” in the past, and it seems to me that the fluoroquinolones seem to instinctively know our weak spots. Like for me, it really (well it really effected my whole body, but) major problems with my eyes, and I already had some eye issues. Major problems (many and varied) with respiratory system and I had a history of asthma. And the absolute, bone-crushing pain was quite near to where I had a fractured scapula. So I think the fact that you had psoriasis in the past is not coincidental.

      • Andrea March 25, 2020 at 2:18 pm Reply

        L,
        S. Boulardii, the thing that messed me up, isn’t a probiotic. It’s a yeast strain with powerful antidiarrheal properties. It isn’t soemthing like Lactobacillus, something we already have in our gut flora. Trust me, that’s what messed me up. For 2 years after being floxed, I’ve never had digestive problems, until I took that. Also, that slimy lady who sold me that crap, after all the mess was done, told me that it’s very common to have thoser kind of symptoms while taking it. I agree with you though, the reason why I’m not able to heal, after 2 years, it’s because this damn FQs cause permanent autoimmune like symptoms in many of us.

        • L March 25, 2020 at 2:25 pm

          OH right…I forgot you mentioned the name of it. I was just thinking it was a regular probiotic which all of can use. (Not just us…the population are large.)

          Yeah, the auto-immune like side effects are so damn annoying, because it leaves us with “mystery” illnesses that we can’t treat because we don’t know exactly how they are happening.

        • Henk Noordhuizen March 25, 2020 at 2:34 pm

          Andrea,there are beneficial yeast in our guts,and the S. boulardii is one of the most studied yeasts,with a proven benefit for gut health.Might,maybe,something else have caused your problems?

          https://www.healthline.com/health/what-yeast-is-good-for-the-gut#1

        • Andrea March 25, 2020 at 2:56 pm

          Henk, please…please.stop!
          S. Boulardii it’s used, among other things, to treat traveller diharrea and so on. It has powerful antidiarrheal properties. There’s a product containing it, very well known here in Italy called “codex”. It’s one of the first thing the pharmacist suggest you to take if you’re suffering from diarrhea. That slimy POS who sold me the enterelle (SB), confirmed that, one of the most common symtpoms, after taking the “enterelle” is getting bloated and constipated for a few days. Now, of course, the reason I can’t heal it’s because I’m a floxie, but the thing that triggered all this WAS the S.B., WITHOUT ANY DOUBT. And it all make sense, I wasn’t suffering from any GI problems, expecially diarrhea, I took an antidiarrheal and it caused the obivious consequences.
          And this confirm my theory, that, just because something is considered “natural” it doesn’t necesserely mean it’s healthy. Well at least not for everyone.
          The venum from a black mamba, it’s completely natural, this doesn’t mean I would put that s**t in my coffee, if I could have one again, without getting into a relapse.

        • Henk Noordhuizen March 26, 2020 at 3:16 am

          ” I wasn’t suffering from any GI problems”

          And than you descided to start this probiotic course.THAT’S what caused the problems you have since than;don’t blaim the S. Boulardii.Don’t repair something that isn’t broken!

        • Andrea March 26, 2020 at 10:11 am

          Hey Henk Noordhuizen, from now on, don’t ever answer any of my comment again, I will do the same with you,
          Is that clear? Out of respect for Lisa and the other people who use this website, I’m trying to be calm and not giving you the answer you’d deserve.
          I repeat, from now on, just ignore whatever I write here. I’ll do the same with you.

        • Henk Noordhuizen March 26, 2020 at 1:26 pm

          Thank you;I’ll do.With pleasure.

        • Henk Noordhuizen March 26, 2020 at 1:40 pm

          And don’t command me;I’m not your dog!

    • Henk Noordhuizen March 25, 2020 at 3:18 am Reply

      Andrea,have you ever tried Colloïdal Silver on those spots? Especially the Ionic Silver (the one,made by electrolysis) is very helpfull on this kind of skin conditions.I sometimes use it on my face (managers disease),and it helps very well.Another “tool”: Zinc.When you eat very unheaalthy,with lots of carbs,you deplete your body of zinc,and zinc is very important for a keeping a healthy skin.When you don’t want to take a zinc supp,you might try a zinc salve (the one,used on baby buttocks.

      • Andrea March 25, 2020 at 2:25 pm Reply

        No Henk, never tried it. But since we’re talking about topical use, I could give it a try. (you already know my fear about CS and Argyria), so I don’t think i would ever try to drink it. Anyway someone suggested Colostrum for my problems. Ever tried it?

        • Henk Noordhuizen March 25, 2020 at 2:53 pm

          When using CS topical,it might be a good idea to avoid bright sunlight.Just to be 100% sure.

          The so called Blue Man daily washed his face with a poorly made CS,drank a quite a bit of the same,poorly made (with salt as a starter) CS every day,and spent as much time in the sun as possible.This made him turn blue,and photoshopped pics where the effect is exaggerated are used for fear mongering.

          I use CS for 13-14 years,drank 1-2 dessert spoons every day,for the first 3-4 years,was working in archeology at the time,so,much sunlight,and now,not even under my finger nails I have blue color from it (under the fingernails is the first place where Argyria can be seen).

          I never used Colostrum (the milk,mammal mothers produce during the first few days,loaded with healthy probiotics etc.)Ohh,well;I might have used it during the first few days of my life but I was in an incubator for newborn (1954),so I don’t know for shure if my mom was permitted to breastfeed me during the 6,or so,weeks that I was in the incubator.

      • Andrea March 25, 2020 at 2:35 pm Reply

        Anyway, correct me if I’m wrong, but, besides the colloidal water made by the silver pulser, in your opinion the best colloidal silver I could find it’s the Ionic Colloidal Silver, am I correct? If it’s so, it wouldn’t be difficult for me to find it, since I’ve seen it many times in some health food shops.

        • L March 25, 2020 at 3:00 pm

          The colloidal silver line recommended to me by two NDs is Sovereign Silver. I have it in the gel form, for cuts and bites. I have one in a nasal spray (although it doesn’t say on the bottle, the top is definitely a nasal spray top) and I have a liquid that I have used in my nebulizer.

        • Henk Noordhuizen March 26, 2020 at 3:20 am

          L.are you shure the nasal spray doesn’t contain any salt? If,it can cause Argyria.

        • L March 26, 2020 at 9:59 am

          It’s the exact same solution….the only difference is the cap. It is more nozzle-like

        • Henk Noordhuizen March 26, 2020 at 2:52 am

          Correct;Ionic silver is,as far as science tells,the best form for topical use.The CS,made by electrolyses (Sota Silver Pulser and home made devices/other brands) concists of about 20 % colloids and 80 % silver ions.

          The simplest way of making CS is the first method I used;connect 3 x 9 volt batteries together to create a 27 volt source.Connect 2 99,99 pure silver wires to the + and – of your 27 volts,and put both wires in a glass of high quality destilled water.Within a few minutes you’ll have your first home-made CS,but it will be of a low quality,with lots of bigger particles,because there is no control over the current,streaming out of your battery pack.

          Might be good for topical use,like with the sking problems you have,but,although I did use it oral without turning blue,I did put a resistance in the circuit,to limit the current,after a while.But when you’re in need for a quick and easy solution,and for topical use,this method is usable.

        • Henk Noordhuizen March 26, 2020 at 2:55 am

          Forgot to mention that the wires should be seperated about 4-5 cm;a piece of cardboard,with two small holes for the wires will do.

    • Henk Noordhuizen March 25, 2020 at 3:26 am Reply

      Oh,and when changing from an unhealthy to a healthy diet,your gut flora has to cadapt to be able to digest these other foods.This will need time,so,the discomfort in your guts might be logical,and to be expected.

      • Andrea March 25, 2020 at 2:29 pm Reply

        Henk, trust me. It’s been more than 2 years (Dec. 2018) since I took the S. Boulardii, and my, at the time, helahty digestive system, hasn’t be the same since. I’ve tried it all. Before starting to eat junk food again, also because this damn quarantene it’s so boring, so I’m always stuffing my face with crap, I was eating very healthy for about 2.5 months. Nothing changed. Today, even a small portion of steamed broccoli, causes me gas and bloating. Now, out of the blue, this damn skin condition…

        • A.Coleman March 25, 2020 at 2:50 pm

          Andrea, hi digestive problems have been my major problem from day one with being a floxie. I have had everything you can imagine; gastroparesis as first, stomach pain, bloating, constipation, severe heartburn, burping; etc. etc. I have been a floxie for over four years and the only other symptom that I have had to deal with the whole time besides my digestive problems is neuropathy.

          I don’t see how a probiotic could be the cause; but I did stop taking mine for a while and I think pulsing with a few months on and a few months off might have helped; as well as using different strains of probiotic from time to time.

          Have you considered a fecal transplant? I know now is not the time to pursue that; but it is something I have considered?? I have thought about it; but I do continue to very slowly get better.

        • Henk Noordhuizen March 26, 2020 at 3:11 am

          After my first AB course (2004,Amoxicillin and Metronidazole) I had these intestinal problems for 3 years,and during that time tried every pré/probiotic I could find,without any positive result.It cost me a fortune! After those 3 years,I re-discovered the Bob Beck Protocol,built me a Blood Pulser/Purifier (I already made CS for 2 years,with the simple method I just described to Andrea),and the Magnetic Pulser,and in 2 weeks time (!!!) my problems vanished like ice in the sun.As far as I remember I only used the Magnetic Pulser,at the time.

          And as a bonus,my terrible carb/glucose intolerance (hypoglycemea) started to be controlable and I could eat a few slices of bread without getting a “hyper”,followed by a “hypo”.That’s how I started being a Bob Beck Protocol enthousiast.Many good experiences with tis protocol,or with just one of the devices followed since then,which led me to buy the expensive Sota devices (including the Brain/Bio Tuner;the only Beck device without a “build-it-yourself” instruction manual).Wouldn’t want to miss those devices for the world!

        • Andrea March 25, 2020 at 3:05 pm

          HI A. Coleman. I’ve already heard about fecal transplant. As a matter of fact, I’ve posted this video some time ago. Here you go :

          By the way, fecal transplant, can have some serious consequences. Even death. At least 2 or 3 patients died after the procedure in the US. Now, I don’t know how the procedure was done in those cases, or what went wrong. Just saying…

        • Henk Noordhuizen March 26, 2020 at 2:35 am

          Andrea,as far as I remember,that probiotic course you uses in 2018 was a 3 stage protocol,each stage with a different cocktail of probiotics.The first one containing the S. Boulardii and some other organisms that should be beneficial.You immediatly blaimed the S. Boulardii because it’s a yeast,and because you started boating.A lot of bacteria can cause bloating as well,and the mix (first stage) may have changed the composition of your gut flora DESPITE of the S. Boulardii.

          Read the science on S. Boulardii;there’s lots of it,all telling it’s a very beneficial yeast.Remember;your gut flora concists of hundreds od different organisms,not only bacteria but also yeasts and even (beneficial) virusses.It’s a micro-world,a society,without which human life isn’t even possible.That’s why the way doctors prescribe anti-biotics (meaning: against life!) is not just idiotic,but leaning to plain criminal.Only when used in extreme situations,AB’s are justified,prescribing for simple infections,and even SUSPECTED infections,or preventive is insane!

  39. Andrea March 24, 2020 at 8:22 pm Reply

    Oh, and just another update on the coronavirus issue : here in Italy, AIFA (the Italian equivalent of the FDA) has just approved the use of Lopinavir/ritonavir in the ealry stage of the disease and in not immuno compromised patient. What a good news… I’m more and more convinced that all this madness isn’t just a natural catastrophe

  40. joanneg March 26, 2020 at 10:12 am Reply

    Andrea, though colloidal silver may help some, I just want you to know I tried it and it destroyed my stomach and made me way worse, and I only used half the recommended dose. I used Sovereign Silver spray.

    • Don M March 26, 2020 at 10:58 am Reply

      joanneg…. Seems to prove the saying that we are all different. I have used Colloidal Silver for over 6 years now and never had any ill effects from it. On top of that I ain’t blue either. Using Ionic Colloidal Silver and references to the blue man are way overblown. If one looks into it the blue man was not using Ionic Colloidal Silver made to 10 parts per million. He was making his with salts and to a strength of over 50 parts per million. On top of that he was drinking it by the glass full and as much as a quart a day. Then he was using this mixture to wash his face before going out in the sun. He was doing every no, no ever said about Colloidal Silver.
      If you buy Colloidal Silver you have no idea when it was made or what the actual strength is.
      Sure you read on the label what it is “supposed ” to be but is it really? It loses strength with age. I make my own (very simple to do) so it is fresh and I use a meter to check it’s strength. Costs me less than 25 cents per quart. Plenty of “how to” videos on the Internet.

      • L March 26, 2020 at 11:08 am Reply

        Same here. And I have used both the liquid and gel form (all Sovereign SIlver line) for a number of things…everything from bug bites and cuts to sinus infections and more. Along with oil of oregano, it’s my “go to.”

        • Henk Noordhuizen March 26, 2020 at 1:34 pm

          I never bought CS;always made it myself.This is the only way of knowing what’s inside,what’s the quality and what’s the PPM.I bough two cheap TDS meters on the web,and after calibration they worked fine,for a while.Now,even with new batteries,I get measurements that are absolutely wrong.So,like in the past,I use the processing time as a measurement;when the meters were alright this proved to be quite reliable.Lesson learned;never buy the cheap stuff;it’s putting your money in the dustbin.

    • Andrea March 26, 2020 at 11:31 am Reply

      Thanks joanneg,
      I’ve always been skeptical about the use or the efficacy of CS. Like you said, it may help some, but as far as I’m concerned, expecially after reading your comment, I’m not going to us it. Ever! I’ve read too many weird things about it.
      My personal experience : since being floxed, I’ve never had a really bad reaction from any pharmaceutical drug I’ve taken, and since Dec. 2016 (when I got floxed), I’ve taken : an alpha blocker for a month (trying to help with chronic pelvic pain), acyclovir 2 times for a week each (for an herpes outbreak that wasn’t going away), aspirin 500 mg for 10 days straight, and yesterday,( I was about to share it with everyone) I even took 1 gr of azithromycin (yes, first antibiotic in 3+ years) with no apparently side effects. Maybe it’s still too ealry to say it, so I’m touching wood. As you can see, except the FQ of course, all this drugs never bothered me much. Of course, I’m not advising the use of them without a reason, and I also know the side effects can be cumulative, so I use them only if I HAVE TO. On the contrary, I’ve had quite bad reactions from “natural” supplements.
      One probiotic, messed up my gut flora permanently (S. Boulardii) and NAD+ (which should enhance mental clarity and have anti aging properties) made feel really weird and almost the feeling I was getting into a relapse. I’ve tried many herbal extracts, trying to ease my bladder/pelvic pain, but they only made me go to the bathroom even more! The only ones I can swear by their positive effects are : Vitamin D3, Magnesium and all trace minerals (even though magnesium at the beginning was quite tricky and I felt like it made me feel worse). I’ve also had a good experience for my gut problems with L Glutamine (but it ddin’t last). Sometimes CERTAIN types of probiotics help a little (VSL-3).
      So, in a nutshell, in these 3+ years I’ve tried at least a dozen of different supplements, and 90% of them were just a waste of money or they even made feel worse. Just my experience of course.

  41. L March 26, 2020 at 11:09 am Reply

    I even use colloidal silver in my nebulizer.

    • Henk Noordhuizen March 26, 2020 at 1:45 pm Reply

      Me to,L. Sometimes I have a nasty cough,and putting ca. 5 ml of CS (ca. 7-10 PPM,depending on how strong I made my last batch) in my nebuliser and inhaling it as deep as possible,in one or two treatments the cough,or most of it,is gone.

      • Don M March 27, 2020 at 7:47 am Reply

        Henk…………… Got a question. What value (milliamps) is the current limiter that you are using to make Colloidal Silver? I am using an old 32 V DC printer transformer as my power supply and a 0.45 milliamp current limiter. With this setup it takes about 36 hours to get to 10 PPM. I figure that this combo will make some very small particle nano silver. I do have higher limiters that I use if I intend to only use the silver for topical use.

        Information says to use a current limiter not above 1 miliamp for best silver results.

        • Henk Noordhuizen March 27, 2020 at 8:13 am

          Don,the Silver Pulser has a current output of max. ( 31 VDC ) 1,5 mA (+/- 0,5 mA) with the + and – SHORTCUTTED. This produces a high quality CS.

          You can speed up the proces by adding a bit of CS from the last batch to the water for your new batch ( pure destilled water doesn’t conduct electricity),and to stir regularly,especially during the first part of the process.

          At 0,45 mA the particles will be very small,indeed.While the process will take long,a HQ CS is garanteed,as long as you use HQ destilled water (lab quality).

          Have a nice weekend!

  42. joanneg March 26, 2020 at 12:09 pm Reply

    Andrea, I’ve had bladder issues on and off since being floxed and the only 2 things that gave me sustained relief were systemic enzymes, I used Wobenzyme N the other thing was VSL#3 at least 2 a day for a week. Also I notice when my bladder flares up is after taking something that kills bacteria! I know this is just my experience but I thought I should share it with you since it took me years to figure that out.

    • Andrea March 26, 2020 at 2:20 pm Reply

      Thanks joanneg, but I think our problems have completely different roots. I think your problem, as you mentioned, it’s related to maybe a bacterial overgrowth. Mine is very different. I know for sure that I don’t have an infection. I’ve done both the urine culture and the urinalysis, and they both came out negative. Even the prostate seem fine, according to the last exam I’ve done. It could be neurological or even obstructive.

      • Don M March 26, 2020 at 2:53 pm Reply

        Andrea……. Have you considered Interstitial Cystitis? Not an infection but very painful.

        • Andrea March 26, 2020 at 3:10 pm

          Yes Don, but I don’t think it’s what causes me trouble. Thanks anyway

      • joanneg March 26, 2020 at 4:59 pm Reply

        Good luck in your search Andrea, I pray you find some help.

        • Andrea March 27, 2020 at 9:40 am

          Thanks joanneg. Good luck to you too.

  43. Roxanne March 27, 2020 at 5:15 am Reply

    Was floxed 2 yrs ago. Got a flu shot a month ago and haven’t felt good since. Feel it flared up the side effects from Cipro. Has anyone else experience this?

    • L March 27, 2020 at 9:48 am Reply

      I was advised by both my naturopath and integrative MD to never get another flu shot. I suspect you are reacting to one of the adjuvants in it. I think as time passes things will settle down again.

      • Don M March 27, 2020 at 10:32 am Reply

        L….. With so many flippant thinking people out there this is going to take a lot longer than necessary to abate. Amazing how many people just don’t seem to get it. I see more cases everyday where the young selfish ones have no consideration for how serious the Coronavirus can be for older people. Tragic that so many in one generation appear to have such little respect for the lives of the oldsters.

        • Roxanne Talmadge March 27, 2020 at 12:39 pm

          Thank you for your reply. Lesson learned!

  44. Barbara Arnold March 27, 2020 at 10:21 am Reply

    Just for information, the UK Prime Minister, the UK Health Minister, and the Chief Medical Officer all have Covid19. Obviously not following their own guide lines.

    • Andrea S. March 27, 2020 at 10:40 am Reply

      True and perhaps it’s far more contagious then we could have imagined?

  45. Barbara Arnold March 27, 2020 at 11:05 pm Reply

    I just read an article from a health professional that said the testing kits are unreliable because they are testing for Corona Virus. There is no specific test for COVID19. Is that why some people get mild symptoms ?? as they have a corona virus but not COVID19.. who knows ??
    Another interesting fact is the nocebo effect, google it. Our subconcious mind learns by repetition. We are being fed corona19 every day most of the day by the media. This is like mass hypnosis.
    My point is just be aware and don’t let the fear of this overtake the truth. This is my opinion.

  46. Don M March 28, 2020 at 5:43 am Reply

    An article……….. I post because (at least I think so) this is a very good series of articles.
    https://www.huffpost.com/entry/common-questions-coronavirus_l_5e5e94d9c5b67ed38b3972a0

  47. Barbara Arnold March 28, 2020 at 6:35 am Reply

    There is a lot of information on testing,if you google RT-PCR Covid19 .There is a race on for the specific testing. The publication…..Wired has a lot of info to, if you search on their page.

    • Don M March 28, 2020 at 7:54 am Reply

      A rather interesting thing. The term Coronavirus is not only one virus it is a family of viruses.
      The Coronavirus family has been around for some time.
      COVID-19 is the “new” version of the virus that is causing the problems world wide.

  48. joanneg March 28, 2020 at 10:14 am Reply

    This is a good read since they haven’t found anything to help the virus. A couple of posts said China is having success with high dose vitamin c iv and oral. The other posts I like are inhaling peroxide cuz I’ve done this many times since being floxed for lung issues and it works really good and quick.
    https://earthclinic.com/ailments/coronavirus/

  49. Andrea March 28, 2020 at 11:40 am Reply

    Here’s an interesting video. I think it has plenty of useful infos

    • Barbara Arnold March 29, 2020 at 2:13 am Reply

      Andrea, Thankyou for posting this. It’s the most comprehensive video I have watch to date. It answered all my questions backed up by evidence. It looks like we are in for the long haul.

      • L March 29, 2020 at 11:02 am Reply

        Interesting video. I guess those in their teens and twenties all over the world are similar…that sense of immortality. And I knew all along it made no sense to tell people in the US that masks wouldn’t really protect them, while at the same time doctors were wearing them for protection. Given the hoarding that has gone on with food and toilet paper and disinfectant wipes, I can understand the logic…only it just keeps spreading the virus around. The US was so incredibly underprepared, and under the most incompetent administration in history.

        I still think perhaps that it did not start with a bat, or pandolin or some other animal. I think it may well have started in the biowarfare lab. Not necessarily on purpose…but it houses AIDs nd Sars and other corona viruses.

    • Barbara Arnold March 29, 2020 at 2:29 am Reply

      Andrea, Is it true the Russian Army has entered Italy to help with COVID19 .I saw it on my facebook feed.

      • Don M March 29, 2020 at 7:20 am Reply

        Barbara Arnold…….. Thank you for calling it COVID-19. Coronavirus is a family of viruses just like Cipro, Leviquin and the others are a family of Fluroquinolones. COVID-19 is something new in the world of viruses. That seems to be why science is still baffled about a treatment. It appears to be every bit as contagious as it’s cousins in the Coronavirus family and appears to be a more vicious one too. When will we turn the corner on it’s spread? Only when more people take is seriously and get with the program. It is out there and you do not have to go far to get yourself exposed. If you are an older person it could take your life.

        I just read on Facebook that the number of cases in the US has doubled over night. Is it because of increased testing or is it the number of actual cases?

        • Henk Noordhuizen March 29, 2020 at 8:28 am

          Or is it because the used tests give a lot of false positives?

          https://swprs.org/a-swiss-doctor-on-covid-19/

        • Andrea March 29, 2020 at 10:35 am

          Don, I’m not tring to be a catastrophist, but you’re right to be concerned. You’re right, this particular virus, according to some articles I’ve read, seem to be very aggressive. Even if you survive, they say it could leave permanent damage. Nervous system and heart included. They say, it mostly affects eldelry people, wich is true, but there’re cases of young people infected. Yesterday I’ve read the nes of 16 years old French girl who died, apparently because of the virus. They say she was absolutley healhty before being infected. I personally know a guy, here in Italy, he’s 41 years old. He’s an athlete, strong and in good shape. He has been hospitalized because of the virus. It’s doing better now, but he’s still in critical conditions. And at least 18 doctors has died here in Italy. So, I don’t think they would be that old. Now, keep in mind, doctros are the most exposed to the virus, and we don’t know their previous health conditions.
          Anyway, panicking it’s not gonna help. If you take all the precautions (see the video I’ve posted), so avoid crowded places, wash your hands repetedly, wear a mask (the right one) when going into public places, practice social distancing when you’re outside, don’t touch your face outside and with “dirty” hands, watch your diet and try to boost your immune system, I think you should be just fine. Stay safe!

      • Andrea March 29, 2020 at 10:17 am Reply

        Thanks Barbara.
        I’ve read some articles of how Russia has sent health aid to Italy and has been hampered by the EU. I’ve read an article, It’s in Italian, so I don’t think it would be useful to post it here, that Russia sent 15 military airplanes and 120 army doctors.

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