Erika’s Story – Recovery from Antibiotic Poisoning

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*The following is an individual’s story of surviving fluoroquinolone toxicity. It is not medical advice. Please see the disclaimer at the bottom of the story. Thank you, and please be cautious with all treatments. 

First off, I want to apologize for the length of my story. I have tried to include only what I believe is important, but this has been an interesting journey. I will start my story by first giving a little background. I am not an athlete. I do however spend 26 – 30 hours a week on my feet at work. I also exercise 4-5 days a week which includes at least two yoga sessions.  I have extra weight on me which I I can’t seem to lose, but I do my best to stay fit. Also, the past several years I have been eating organic whenever possible and taking only vitamin C and some magnesium. I regularly see a chiropractor and get a massage once a month.  I was also doing a colon detox about once or twice a year.  I am 51 and before I took the Cipro I was experiencing some perimenopause symptoms, i.e. hot flashes, mood swings, mild anxiety etc. but I was healthy. I was managing  these well by taking black cohosh at a minimal dose and intermittently, only when my condition warranted me using it. The reason I am even mentioning this is that I want to be absolutely clear that I know what a “normal” hot flash, mood swing or anxiety attack for this time in my life felt like (for me) as opposed to what I experienced after Cipro.

My story begins on June 22, 2015. I had been having some minor gut issues for a few weeks which I attributed to taking a type of magnesium that did not agree with my system so I stopped taking it. After a bit of research much later after the Cipro, I came to realize that I had not been replenishing  the flora in my gut after the cleanses like I should have.  So, I ended up in the ER with a fever that spiked to 102 degrees in a matter of hours. I had a high white blood cell count and after a CT scan, the practitioner was very much relieved to be able to tell me then that he had found the beginning of a very mild case of diverticulitis in a small area of my sigmoid colon.  I was promptly given an oral dose of both Flagyl and Cipro. I was to take 500mg of the Cipro 2x daily and 500mg Flagyl 3x. My mother who was with me still remembers him saying that even though it was a really mild case, he really wanted to kill it before it could get worse.  My fever by then had already dropped back to almost normal with a dose of Tylenol.

So, I went home at 3am and promptly went to sleep. About an hour later, I suddenly wake up with the worst heart palpitations and erratic heart beat that I have ever experienced in my life. This was also accompanied by a terrible feeling of anxiety that I can’t even describe.  I did not connect it to the antibiotics at all, but thought it was a terrible panic attack due to stress from the ER experience. I simply lay back down and spent the rest of the night tossing and turning with all kinds of horrible dreams and thoughts going through my head. The next day, I took the normal dosage of both antibiotics and was fine until that night. After going to bed, again I woke up with the same experience as the previous night, but this time I was sweating buckets and shivering with cold. This was crazy! The anxiety had also increased about 2 fold. The next morning I go directly to urgent care without taking another dose. The doctor there  told me not take anymore of either antibiotic  and he put me on Augmentin. He said if I remember correctly that he thought it most likely that the Cipro was causing my reaction. I was ok with Augmentin, because I had taken both Amoxi and Penicillin in the past without issues. I was given a 10 day supply. I was totally fine until my 2nd to last dose when I broke out in hives. I did not take the last dose. The hives disappeared within 3 days and I felt fine.  A few days to a week after that (I can’t really remember) I started having intense waves of pain wrack my body after I went to bed. It was like hot lava was being poured into my head and cascading downward through my body towards my feet. I could even see my muscles ripple as it went. Then the wave would start over again. I thought I was going to die it hurt so bad. This would happen almost every night until 3 or 4 am in the morning. I would get up and go sit on the couch for awhile and that seemed to help a little. Somehow, I survived until the next morning. This was not a hot flash.  I kept expecting it to go away on its own. I somehow knew that no doctor would believe me and besides, I was afraid to go in. Along with this, there was intense anxiety which I am sure the fact that I was getting no sleep was not helping at all. After almost a month of this, I was speaking to a nurse practitioner friend at church and she felt strongly that it might be a hormonal situation.  She had me come in. After asking me some questions, she had me go on bio-identical hormones to see if they would help. She also had me take a blood test which came back with a very low ferritin (iron store) level of 9, and Vitamin D level of 18.  I was not considered anemic though. I was given a prescription of Irospan (Iron with vit B complex) and 10,000 IU of Vit D (10 days).  The supplements seemed to help. The hormones, not so much. They helped quell the intensity of the night time tremors that I had been experiencing, but my anxiety got worse along with the insomnia that was now appearing. I simply could not go to sleep. I could not even take a nap. It wasn’t because my mind was racing with thoughts or anything like that, I simply could not sleep. We could not find a dose that worked at all for me. By now I was having all kinds of additional symptoms. I had severe dry mouth, dry eyes and my sinuses were starting to feel inflamed all of the time. I had no appetite, I ate soup most of the time or drank milk. I did eat some solid food but it was hard to choke down. I lost 25 pounds in a little over a month.  Then the intense random electrical shocks started, pretty much everywhere. I got off the hormones pronto after one month of having been on them.

I decided to try black cohosh in an attempt to ward off any hormonal issues.  After a week, I noticed that the electrical shocks were slowing down, I was able to sleep a bit again and my anxiety levels were going down a bit. It sounds weird, but I discovered later that recent studies have shown that black cohosh does not actually influence the estrogen hormones themselves, but  the estrogen receptors.  After doing further research on Cipro, I happily found Floxi Hope which was a relief since it focused on the positive solutions which I really needed at this point. I have included a list of most of the other symptoms I was experiencing by now below. Based on what I saw, I asked my chiro if he could suggest a good magnesium supplement that I might tolerate. He did and that helped me even more on road to recovery.  Then in Jan 2016, after a round of weight lifting, during which I felt no pain nor did I experience an injury, my left wrist started swelling and became increasingly painful. After two days of this worsening, I went to urgent care where I was diagnosed with Tendosynovitis. My arm was put in a splint which helped a lot. They had me take Aleve for pain, which surprisingly I tolerated well. Three days later my arm and wrist were completely normal again. My chiro did not agree that this was normal. This was the only major tendon issue that I experienced. However, since then my upper chest/sternum area started bothering me. Even the skin in that area was painful. I basically just wait it out and it comes and goes in cycles. But each cycle is less intense and shorter. I am extremely fortunate. Through trial and error and helpful suggestions from friends and family, I found a few other products that together helped me immensely. I have listed them below.  I have also listed some things that did not work for me even though they have worked for others.

Currently, 9 months later, I consider myself to be 95% recovered. I am back to my normal exercise regime, and even though I sometimes feel like a 90 year old when I get up in the morning,  I am grateful every day. My heart goes out to all of you who have suffered and are still suffering so greatly. I hope that even though what I have experienced is nothing compared to what many of you have and still are experiencing, that you will find something in my story that will help you. I will keep you in my prayers.

Other Symptoms not mentioned above:

Stomach/abdominal discomfort (especially the area just below my ribs

Sharp pain in my groin/lower abdomen area.

Occasional slowing in the esophagus when I eat, slightly uncomfortable

Severe noise sensitivity, especially to certain sounds


Confusion/Short term memory issues

Funky peripheral vision (like a black blob appearing in the corners of my eyes)

Temperature sensitivity, mostly to heat (skin feels painful)


Symptoms that I am still experiencing  (to a very manageable degree):

Insomnia:  just 2-3 days at a time as opposed to a month

Shooting pain: every so often as opposed to all the time

Tendon pain: occasional forearm/wrist, fingers are slightly stiff and painful in am, did not have this before

Anxiety: mostly later in the day and evenings, sometimes I still feel like I want to jump out of my skin, did not have this before Cipro either

Temperature sensitivity:  still to heat, I am able to ignore almost all of the time now

Stomach/abdominal discomfort:  to some degree but can ignore it most of the time


What did not help:

Valerian root : made me anxious, caused worse insomnia

Visiting too many web sites that focus on negatives



What did help:

Essential Oils:  I use for aromatherapy only. Mostly at night.  Lavender is one I use all the time. I had to experiment with different brands though as I have a sensitive sense of smell. I place a combination of various oils including lavender on a cotton pad on my nightstand.

Calms Forte:  A homeopathic remedy that works for me to calm my mind when I have had a stressful day. It is the only one that has consistently worked for me so far.  Sometimes I use it for 2-3 nights consecutively before my mind finds its own way again.  I have only had to do that rarely anymore though. I can’t use sleeping pills, they affect me adversely in most cases.

Sound Machine: Provides soothing sounds like rain, brook, crickets, etc..for sleep at night. It helps my mind to relax and has a volume control that I can turn down when needed.

Massage: during my first three months (my worst), every two weeks. Helped me immensely.

Chiropractor: twice a week religiously

I prayed a lot, and I mean , a lot!

Try to laugh whenever an opportunity presents itself, at least daily.

Rest:  There were days when I was not at work that I would give myself permission to just rest because I was so tired. Find your balance and listen to your body.

Stay as active as possible (but don’t forget to rest):  I continued to work throughout my whole ordeal, even though I was so sleep deprived, I felt like a zombie.  Exercise to whatever extent you can. Especially yoga, going out for slow walks in the sunshine

Fun activities:  at first I had no more interest in anything, even watching movies made me anxious. Later, started getting back into reading and progressed from there. One step at a time.

Routine:  I found it soothing if I could do something that I knew before. Going to church, even if I wasn’t mentally there helped.  Going to work (if you can), doing something at home that I was used to. Again, one step at a time.

Magnesium: I take a complex, malate and citrate. Works on two different systems in your body. It really helped me

Vitamin D3: I now take 5000 IU 2x /week

Vitamin B complex:  I take 3 times a week

Vitamin C: every day 500mg

Black Cohosh: I usually take for 1-3 months (depending on symptoms), one every 2nd day. Then I take a break so my body doesn’t  depend on it. Has really helped significantly with anxiety, shooting pains

Collagen cream with Vitamin A & D: I use it mostly on my chest and sternum area. Very soothing and feels like it is helping with the healing process. Smells good too.That area is consistently improving

Arnica Gel:  When I notice an area (wrist, forearm) where the tendons are getting sore or inflamed.

Detox: In February I did a 10 day colon cleanse that contained 600mg magnesium. It actually really helped lessen my lingering symptoms a great deal. They have been much more manageable since then. I still experience flares, but they are much less intense.

Probiotics: I currently take one that contains 13 strains including S. boulardi.

Most importantly:  Stay focused on the improvements, no matter how small. Don’t look at the big picture, but take one little step at a time. It helped me to know that God would see me through, no matter how bad it got.

May, 2016 update:

I feel I can now say that I am fully recovered. I am back to my normal if not better than normal exercise schedule. I feel stronger than I did before I was poisoned, possibly because I am now taking better care of myself.  I still take Vitamin D3, Vitamin B complex, probiotics and iron (because my ferritin level is still low).  Magnesium is still on my menu too. I now feel that I was deficient in these things before I reacted to the antibiotics and with the exception of the iron, will stay on them for the rest of my life. I am really sleeping again, better than before too. Anxiety and panic is totally gone now too. God is good!  Every now and then I feel a twinge of concern over the future and how the potential underlying damage may affect me as I get older. I immediately push it away as I realize that this is a normal reaction for anyone who has had a severe traumatic experience. I can choose to either succumb to it or to grab life by the reigns and live each day fully.  I choose the latter. Even though my experience has not been nearly as severe or as prolonged as many of you, I pray that my story will bring hope that things will get better and that recovery is possible.  I am now in the process of planning a Baltic Sea cruise in September. Life, here I come! I keep all of you in my prayers.


** The story above is truthful, accurate and told to the best of the ability of the writer. It is not intended as medical advice. No person who submits his or her story, nor the people associated with Floxie Hope, diagnoses or treats any illness. The story above should not be substituted for professionally provided medical advice. Please consult your doctor before trying anything that has been mentioned in this story, or in any other story on this site. Please also note that people have varying responses to the treatments mentioned in each story. What helps one person may not help, and may even hurt, another person. It is important that you understand that supplements, IVs, essential oils, and all other treatments, affect people differently depending on the millions of variables that make each of us unique. Please use appropriate caution and prudence, and get professional medical advice.

102 thoughts on “Erika’s Story – Recovery from Antibiotic Poisoning

  1. Rose Casanova March 25, 2016 at 9:33 am Reply

    So glad you are recovering, Erika. I’m going through menopause as well. I will give the black cohash a try. Best to you and I wish you to be at 110%

    • Erika March 25, 2016 at 5:46 pm Reply

      Thank you. I sincerely hope that it will help you. If you are interested, the brand I use is Remifemin. It has been around for a long time. They also have a night formula that might work for you if you can tolerate velarian. As with all supplements, I would recommend researching it for yourself as well. I wish you the best for a complete recovery.

      • Cindy Jones June 13, 2016 at 1:14 pm Reply

        Hi Erika
        I am pleased that you are recovering. Your signs and symptoms are identical to mine.
        I have been re floxed one way and another since.

        I knew that drs were sceptical of my signs and symptoms of fluoroquinolone toxicity BUT did not realise the extent of their scepticism /viciousness until last Thursday June 9 2016 when I saw a dr who said he would supprt me. Nothing could have been more removed from the truth.

        I told him a little bi about the antibiotic poisoning. This was greeted with sarcasm and then he issued a threat that if i did not stop complaining the Police wuld get involved.
        When I said that I had not done anything wrong unlike the dr who had prescribd the antibiotics he grinned at me then condescending said ‘Oh so the dr assaulted you hten did he?’

        I said that I did not know the legal definition of what he had done so could not comment.
        I am still feeling upset and humiliated at what this ”dr ‘ said.

        Has anyone else in the UK had an esperience like this I wondered.If anyone did then how did you cope?

      • Aaron November 13, 2017 at 1:56 am Reply

        Hi Erika, I’m 3 months out from being poisoned by ciproflaxin, I’ve noticed an improvement in what seemed like phychosis (very scary) and my legs and back are still painful maybe a slight improvement, but I noticed you mentioned swallowing problems which is a new symptom for me. How did it feel exactly? For me if feels like food and liquids get stuck and it takes a long time to go down then I have what feels like it coming back up again. I’m afraid this could be bulbar onset ALS and reading that this poison can cause it made me feel even worse. I still have hope I can make a full recovery like you!

        • Randall Richardson March 20, 2019 at 7:38 am

          I was wondering how your swallowing symptoms turned out? If they have gotten any better?

        • Erika June 2, 2019 at 9:41 pm

          Hello Randall and Aaron, I am sorry that I have not responded sooner. I occasionally return to this site, and am heartbroken by all of you who are still suffering. Yes, the swallowing feels exactly like you describe it Aaron except mine is also painful. It has lessened considerably. The pain feels almost like a boulder trying to push through my upper back, if that makes any sense. However, since about two months, I hardly experience it anymore. To tell you the truth, I know that it sounds crazy, but I have been practicing intermittent fasting for quite a while now. I know this is not a cure all, but all I can tell you is that it has greatly reduced my flares. I know that in 2016 I stated that I felt I had recovered. This was true at the time. However, I continued to experience random symptoms at various time (flares). Again, the symptoms would vary and they would be enough to cause great discomfort, even though I learned to ignore them. So here it goes, I started seriously looking into my diet as a result of my experience with Cipro and Flagyl. I began experimenting with low carb, and from there came across information regarding fasting which allows the body to gradually start some self healing through autophagy. Now, at this point I will state that I am only speaking for how this has helped me. This is not for everyone and is a personal choice. My swallowing symptoms have gradually lessoned and rarely do I experience any now (my last occurrence happened two months ago). It has definitely taken time as I have been practicing this way of eating for about 2.5 years. I still take the supplements that I mentioned in my story and especially the probiotics without fail. I have had to increase my vit D significantly to get the numbers up, but have been able to discontinue the iron as my levels returned to normal (which indicates gut healing, finally). I will tell you that I learned about using fasting to help the body heal through Dr. Jason Fung. I read his books The Obesity Code and also “The Complete Guide to Fasting”. I was specifically concerned because of my blood sugars which were slowly rising every year. My initial goal/concern was to avoid diabetes. However, after practicing this lifestyle for a bit, I noticed a drastic reduction in my Cipro flares, as I call them. Then I dropped off the fasting wagon for a bit due to circumstances and went back to my old way of eating. The flares started increasing again (including the swallowing issue). Anyway, I wanted to mention this in case it may help any one here.

  2. gillian March 25, 2016 at 10:03 am Reply

    can men take black cohash for the shooting pains

    • Erika March 25, 2016 at 5:57 pm Reply

      Gillian, I know black cohosh to be helpful for women against hot flashes, anxiety, etc.. So I did a quick search on the internet and noted that it can also be beneficial to men. It supposedly has some anelgesic effect and may affect serotinin receptors. At any rate, it sounds like it might be worth looking at.

  3. Linda March 25, 2016 at 12:53 pm Reply

    Thanks for sharing. I had everything you did–the pain, electric shocks, inability to regulate heat/cold, dread, feeling like I was dying…and interestingly no tendon issues except for the tensynovitis, like you. I was not able to work. I had a number of other signifcant issues, like breathing problems and a lot of nerve damage, so the fact you were able to keep working is great. I am a year and a month out and still have a half dozen side side effects, but much much better than I was. There is another woman on this site who had horrible reactions to Flagyl, one of the ones that was a problem for you. I was given prednisone at the same time, which I think exacerbated the Cipro for me. I have heard bad things about macrobid too, which is too bad, because is targets UTIs. At this point, I am so leery of ALL antibiotics. I can’t imagine ever going through again, what I went through before.

    • Erika March 25, 2016 at 6:03 pm Reply

      Yes Linda, I don’t know how much being on multiple antibiotics affected me, but you are right, I will be avoiding them as much as I possibly can. I wish you a complete recovery, my heart goes out to you.

  4. Cindy Jones March 26, 2016 at 7:14 pm Reply

    I can empathise with these stories. My aantibiotic oxicity was induced bythree antibiotics given to me at the same time for an unproven chest infection! No chest x rays,
    5 days later I woke up with swollen lips, cold and very heavylegs and severe backache. Drs would not believe me. The anxiety and depression were indescribable as were the feelings of dread and Iwas unable to sleep for five nights and five days. The weight dropped off me as I was only able to eat one third of a tin of tomato soup a day. I had severe headaches, throbbing pain in my right eye and was drenched in sweat at night.

    I now have tendonitis, back pain, fear of dying, unable to take anti depressants, the pain is excruciating.
    Drs do not want to know because they caused this.

    • Linda March 26, 2016 at 8:12 pm Reply

      I also lost a lot of weight—32 lbs in less than two months. The dread, depression, everything you said was unbearable. I felt like I was dying and wanted to. And yes, the doctors only made it worse through their disbelief and outright hostility in some cases. It will get better, Cindy. I am 13 months out and all of my side effects (except floaters and some numbness) have improved greatly. I had about 30 side effects, several of which were absolutely terrifyingly beyond description. I was bedridden for a while, and then could only walk with assistance because I was so weak. Now, I walk (fast) everyday for a couple miles and am back to doing weights and chin ups. I have numb toes, some pelvic pressure, a couple wonky fingers, and little bit of breathing irregularities and the damn HUGE floaters, but compared to where I was, I am a different person. One thing that I might suggest is turmeric (95% curcuminoids) for two reasons. One, it helps fight inflammation, and it also has faired better than antidepressants in studies.

      • Cindy Jones March 28, 2016 at 12:53 pm Reply

        Thanks Linda for this information and encouragement.
        I hate to ask you but could u please hold my hand a bit because I feel so isolated in all this despite the website and please tell me in as much detail what kind of diet you had/have, what meds do you take and/or avoid and what you did to relieve the burning, inflammation of muscles and joints. Did you take turmeric capsules?

        Thank you in anticipation.

        • Sandi July 19, 2018 at 8:21 am

          Hi Cindy:) how are you feeling these days? I’m recently floxed & feeling scared like you were. I hope you are much better. Hugs

      • Erika March 28, 2016 at 10:20 pm Reply

        Linda, was re-reading your comment again. Noticed that you were having pelvic pressure. Me too. Can’t seem to completely get rid of it, but of late, have noticed a lessening. Not quite so intense. I believe that in time it will go away, especially as our hormonal stages progress. It is hard to tell anymore, what is normal hormonal issue and what is caused by the poison. Drat!

  5. Erika March 27, 2016 at 8:45 pm Reply

    Cindy and Linda, I can’t tell you how I feel for you both. I was not nearly as badly affected as the both of you, but have experienced some of what you have described. My vision is now completely back to normal, and since I posted my story, my anxiety, shooting pains, and constant chest/sternum area pain has dropped to negligible if not pretty much absent. I have been taking the black cohosh now for a week and a half. The first five days at one per day and then dropped down to 1 every 2nd day. I really believe that the antibiotics had a great impact on my hormonal system and that is why this works for me so well. After reading a lot of testimonials like yours, I have come to believe that whatever weakness you had in your body/mind/nervous system before taking these antibiotics is increased several times by these antibiotics. For example, I had some hormonal related anxiety before taking the cipro, flagyl, and augmentin. Cindy, hang in there. I would periodically come back to this site for positive reinforcement, truly, it was the only site that did not cause me anxiety when I was in trouble. In fact, it was a relief. It will get better. Cindy, I have heard of tumeric from a nurse friend of mine. It sounds promising and worth a try. I am so glad you are doing so much better. I have recently also started myself on three teas, cinnamon spice (an anti-inflammatory), Pao’ D Arco (anti fungal, especially against vaginitis and yeast infection) and healthy cycle (organic, I am not yet menopausal). All three of these were recommended to me by my sister, an Rn, who is also nearing menopause. They seem to be helping me hormonally as well. I would still recommend that you research all of this since I do not know your medical history or what other conditions you might have that would prevent you from using these products (including the black cohosh). I just put all three tea bags in a big soup bowl type of cup, brew the tea and drink as I wish throughout the day. I too have experienced medical people who have looked at me like I had grown two heads when I mentioned my situation. In truth though, they have been few. Quite a few (mostly people who really know me) have taken me at my word. I feel fortunate and blessed. I pray for your complete recovery Cindy, and Linda, may your recover continue into extended good health.

    • Juzero June 19, 2017 at 5:56 pm Reply

      My mental fog goes away when I take turmeric, I got turmeric pills from Costco, I take 2 each morning, also I take parley tea many time a day, I feel that it help me, vitamin , flaxseed water for my damage stomach and bladder, it work really good, good luck to everybody😀

  6. Erika March 27, 2016 at 8:49 pm Reply

    Sorry, correction,Linda I have heard of the Tumeric, and am glad you are doing so much better. Maybe some brain fog setting in for me? But it is also late at night, LOL!

  7. Cindy Jones March 27, 2016 at 8:58 pm Reply

    Hi Erika
    No problem. I have long qt syndrome and am on warfarin so I am unsure if tumeric etc is advisable. Could someone please check this for me as a safety mechanism?

    Are you in the UK?
    Many thanks

    • Erika March 28, 2016 at 5:46 pm Reply

      Cindy, I just did a quick search and found that tumeric should not be taken with blood thinners like warfarin because it causes the effects of the med to be even stronger. No, I live in the US , the state of Colorado.

  8. Linda March 27, 2016 at 9:01 pm Reply

    thanks Erika—just curious if you had the major floaters with your eye problems?

    • Erika March 28, 2016 at 5:57 pm Reply

      Linda, it is hard to describe about my eyes. It was more like a black shadow in the peripheral vision of both my eyes. I also had forgotten to mention that I had random stabbing pain in my eyes. That lasted maybe the first 7 months , then it just went away. No more shadows either, I never had the floaters. I had so many crazy symptoms that I sometimes don’t remember until someone asks me.

  9. Steve Halvoorsen March 28, 2016 at 10:11 am Reply

    I took Levaquin 7 years ago! I am now a 64 yr old male, married with 3 daughters and 6 grandchildren. I mention my personal life because if it weren’t for them I would have commited suicide a long time ago. I have been to nearly every type of doctor for help. I still get this blank look on Drs. faces when I tell them what happened. Or they tell me the symptoms clear up over time. 7 years? I was also given prednisone with the Levaquin as I had a major infection in my chest, so much so that I could hardly breathe. I lost out on the first group – class action – because the Dr put me on another antibiotic before the Levaquin.
    Its been 30+ years since I have been in a car accident, but since my poisoning, I can no longer drive as my reflexes are too slow and my field of vision varies from good to very narrow. I also get black globs in the corner of my eyes and when I look to see what it is nothing is there. It probably wouldn’t be so noticeable to me, but we have a small black dog and that’s what I expect to see.
    I am so sorry this is so long, don’t blame you if you quit reading it. It has taken me about an hour just to compose the first paragraph because of short term memory and the fact that I have carpal tunnel syndrome in my left hand, and I am left handed. I didn’t even know I had that until my neurologist told me I had a mild case of it. My “mild case” of it has made my left hand practically useless. I had no problems with my left hand before. But if I am not thinking about it, and pick something with my left hand, I usually end up dropping it.
    I still get shocks that shoot up my arms and legs. If I am on the floor playing with my youngest grandchildren, I need somebody to help get me up.We live on a small lake that my wife and I would walk around every night, but not able to do anymore. I was feeling good one day this spring and the weather was beautiful. My wife was at work and I thought I would walk at a slow pace around the lake as I wanted to do this again with my wife.
    Well, good thing I brought my cellphone as I was only able to make it about half way around the lake. I sat down on a large rock so I wouldn’t have trouble getting up, and called my neighbor to pick me up. I have three pair of Dr Schols in my shoes, but my feet were burning so bad and my legs were locking up. My neighbor helped me into the house and into my bedroom. I sat down on the bed and he left. It took me what seemed like eternity to get my legs up on the bed. I laid down on the bed in utter exhaustion and pain. I so wanted to get to my meds and take some vicodin and muscle relaxers but I knew I couldn’t get to them. I had to wait for my wife to come home to get me my meds.
    OK, let me try to condense this so I am not wasting so much of your time. I have been hospitalized four times in the seven years. My pain is everywhere., but not everywhere at once. The only thing other than meds that seem to help is a warm water pool where I can actually feel my tendons relaxing. Other than that, I have had two physical therapists and they both gave up on me. I have had surgery on my left hip to “cure” the pain because that hip was most likely to give out or lock up. It didn’t help. I am taking 6 vicodin a day, 8 muscle relaxers, and a Lexapro (because “happy people don’t feel as much pain.
    If you have made it to here, thank you, I just needed to share with someone.

    • Cindy Jones March 28, 2016 at 10:36 am Reply

      Hi Steve
      Please be assured that you are not wasting anyone’s time. Your account of the eddefcts of these terrible toxic substances is vital to relate so that everyone can be made aware of the hprrors that we have encountred to some degree or another.

      Would you mind saying which meds you are taking?

      I think that in order to try to figure out what to do it is best to gather as much info/data as possible to try to see if we can do something about the side effects.Personally I believe that once someone has been poisoned that all antibiotics without exception are dangerous and likely to cause serious side efects. This has been proven to be the case with doxycycline, kefles-cephalexin, amoxil, IMHO these drugs as are most others are best avoided.

      As I have stated previously the PPI’s , the statins-all statins, nitrofurantoin, phenytoin, clobazam, valsartan, cardicor all cause or exacerbate peripheral neuropathic pain.

      Many foodstuffs also cause burning especially acidic food.

      • Steve Halvoorsen March 28, 2016 at 10:59 am Reply

        Here goes: Lexapro- 1- 20 mg, Klonopin 4- 1mg, Flexeril – 3 -10mg, Vicodin – 6 – 5mg, Lyrica 4- 50mg, Neurontin 6 – 600mg, Valtrex – 2 -1Gm.
        I am now just started taking 6 antihistamine pills a day for a new malady, mast cell disease, diagnosed by my daughters research and confirmed by the Mayo Clinic. So now I have a whole list of foods that release histamines that I have to try to avoid. Dr. said he did not know if this was caused by it or not. I also get rashes wherever I have folds of skin, like next to my nose, behind my ears, and my privates. and the Valtrex is for a viral infection in my sinuses, again won’t commit to it being related.

        • Cindy Jones March 28, 2016 at 11:15 am

          Hi Steve
          Thanks for your reply.
          It is much appreciated.

          I was taking Lyrica and Neurontin but these had to be discontinued due to their side effects. For example Lyrica/pregabelin caused a rare occurrence called cortical myoclonuc.


          Have u been tested for leaky gut syndrome.

          I ask because u said that you have rashes in certain parts of your body. I wondered if this was related to candida infection.
          have had this and I know it is not I repeat NOT due to poor personal hyjiene.

          If it helps I have found the best way to deal with this is to frequently wash the area, carefully rinse and thoroughly dry the area and leave uncreamed .
          I am puzzled as to why the dr is treating a viral infection with an antibiotic.

          Hope u do not take offence at my comments.

          What diet are you on? I hope u don’t mind my asking you these questions.

        • Steve Halvoorsen March 28, 2016 at 11:50 am

          Valtrex is an antiviral, not an antibiotic. My “Dr Daughter” thinks I may have leaky gut syndrome. I will wait as she studies this (her investigations are thorough as previously mentioned) but she has a 4 and10 year old daughters and its spring break so her time is limited (no daddy around).
          I am really late for my nap so I will check in later. Thanks for all the information

        • Linda March 28, 2016 at 2:42 pm

          I think your dr daughter is certainly on the right track. It is astounding how much is linked to the gut—literally ALL bodily systems. Fix that and you may find things really starting to turn around.

        • Cindy Jones March 28, 2016 at 12:30 pm

          I have looked up Valtrex and found it is an anti viral so apologies.

    • Linda March 28, 2016 at 11:18 am Reply

      Oh STeve, I am so so sorry. First those little black blobs you are seeing are likely vitreous gel that has broken away. It is surmised that FLQs damage vitreous gel just as they do collagen.

      I would encourage you to say “good by” to regular MDs, unless you can find an integrative one, and seek out a good naturopath. I think relying on pharmaceuticals only further increases the side effects. An ND who give nutrient IVs can help you replace some of the good stuff that has been so damage. Allopathic doctors are so immersed in chemical cures that they have blinders on. If you read a lot of earlier posts you will find that pretty much all of us gave up on non-integrative MDs. I personally saw 12 doctors and only one or two were aware of ANY side effects of the FLQs and the rest were dismissive, even rude. I truly believe you can find some relief with a naturopath. Please try.

      • Steve Halvoorsen March 28, 2016 at 11:35 am Reply

        Thank you so much. I have pretty much given up. I’ve been to two naturopaths, both who at the end of the first appointment tried to sell me over $200 of supplements. One allowed me to copy the contents ingredients, and further study by my daughter indicated they were of no help. The Mayo Clinic calls my youngest daughter “Dr. Kristina” as she has led them in the right direction when they were clueless. One of the doctors who diagnosed the Mast cell disease (which my daughter had already diagnosed) wrote a paper on Mast cell disease and credited “Dr. Kristina” for the information.

    • Cindy March 28, 2016 at 3:11 pm Reply

      My physio recommended Sketchers trainers for the tendonitis etc.

    • Erika March 28, 2016 at 6:27 pm Reply

      Steve, I am sorry for what happened to you. It sounds like what you are going through is ten times worse than what I experienced and I have noticed that this seems to be the case for those who were given a steroid at the same time as the antibiotic. I myself followed a more homeopathic route in my healing. I can’t help but agree with Cindy and Linda that a naturopath or an integrated MD is potentially the better option because my gut tells me that some of the meds that you are on may be compounding the situation. I am so glad that you have your daughter. Your story is touching, and no, it was not hard to get through at all. I spent several hours on mine, late at night, when the house was quiet, because I knew that just writing about it would make me anxious. However, I discovered that it was actually a relief to write about it. You definitely have chosen the right place in that many people here have done a lot of research. I found valuable information just by reading the stories here as well as the artcles. I pray that you will find healing. I believe you will.

  10. Cindy Jones March 28, 2016 at 10:38 am Reply

    Steve et al

    Sorry-whoops. EFFECTS.Instead of eddfects!!!!!!!

  11. Linda March 28, 2016 at 11:57 am Reply

    Well, glad you have “Dr. Kristina!” 😉 I am sorry about your ND experiences. I guess there are bad ones just like in any profession. I credit mine with saving my life. He had treated other “floxies” before, but even the first one he ever treated is doing well now. He just understood some basics of what was needed regarding IVs. I think part of that comes from the fact that about 1/2 his patients have Lyme and the other half are fighting cancer and/or the chemo and radiation. We have something in common with both those groups. I would just be leery of all pharmaceuticals at this point, and if you feel adventurous, you could post the area you live in, in case there is anyone on this site who has had good luck with an ND who does IVs that is near you.

    • Steve Halvoorsen March 29, 2016 at 8:03 am Reply

      Linda, we live in the suburbs of Minneapolis, MN

    • Cindy Jones June 13, 2016 at 1:20 pm Reply

      Linda do u know of any nd giving instant service online?

  12. Cindy Jones March 28, 2016 at 12:29 pm Reply

    Hi Steve
    Is it possible to ask ‘Dr Christina what she thinks about the Life Waves patches for someone with Long QT syndrome?
    Bob tried these patches which boost the glutathione levels.

    Pls could tyou tell me abou the histamine producing foods? I find all this info very overwhelming at times.
    Many thanks.

    • Steve Halvoorsen March 29, 2016 at 8:19 am Reply

      I am trying to copy and paste but am not being able from my 7 year old computer. I will ask her to post on here the list of both good and bad. Sorry, problem is with me probably, but hold on, I will have her post it. She has had some serious health issues which tend to flare up from time to time. Last night about 11:30 she called and said she couldn’t breath. My wife and I threw our clothes on to go over their, one of us to watch the children and the other to take her to the emergency room. But she decided against going to the ER.

  13. Cindy March 28, 2016 at 6:02 pm Reply

    Did you get the stabbing pain plus black blobs checked out? I had this and went to the eye hospital’s emergency eye clinic. I am being monitored by them as they diagnosed PVD.

    • Erika March 28, 2016 at 6:40 pm Reply

      Cindy, I myself did not. I have to admit that the last thing I wanted to do was step one foot insde a Dr’s office ever again (at least where there might be any chance that they would prescribe something). I know this is unreasonable, but for now that is how I feel. At any rate, my vision as such was fine so I basically ignored it. I did not have any floaters either. Now all of those symptoms have disappeared.

  14. Linda March 28, 2016 at 6:03 pm Reply

    thanks for the reply. I know what you mean. I had about 30 different side effects and sometimes I forget some of the ones that are gone

    • Erika March 28, 2016 at 6:43 pm Reply

      Cindy and Linda, you are welcome. Thank you for all your helpful comments and advice I am so grateful to have found yo guys!

  15. Cindy March 28, 2016 at 6:07 pm Reply

    Thanks .

    re turmeric and warfarin.

    I will follow this up and see what can be done. Perhaps an adjustment in the dos of warfarin may enable me to take turmeric.

  16. Cindy March 28, 2016 at 6:11 pm Reply

    Thanks for checking the turmeric out for me.
    The clinic usually say eat what you want but make sure it is constant on a daily basis and they will work the dose of warfarin around it Have to be careful not to overdo the vitamin K and anything that can thin the blood.

  17. Linda March 28, 2016 at 6:41 pm Reply

    I think you are right re the steroids.I was given prednisone at the same time as Cipro. I started experiencing side effects after only 3 and after 4 (I stopped when I figured out what was happening) I descended into the most nightmarish side effects imaginable, affecting me head to toe, with excruciating pain, suffocating like breathing for months, and damaged olfactory nerves making all things in the world asphyxiate me. You cannot imagine how horrific this is. Like being stuck in closet filled with vats of bleach—and you can’t leave. Then eye stuff, PN, GI issues, weight loss, insomnia, and on and on. but again, I was “saved” once I started the IVs…Not out of the woods completely, but compared to where I was–night and day

    • Sandi July 19, 2018 at 8:47 am Reply

      Hi Linda,
      Could you tell me the type of IV treatment you received? I am almost 2 months floxed. I get ozone therapy, Myers & A glutathione push. I did an IV of something called NAD but it made me really nauseous and nervous. Thanks

  18. Linda March 28, 2016 at 6:44 pm Reply

    I will never step into a drs office again, unless they are integrative or NDs. I don’t think it is at all unreasonable. For me it wasn’t just the doctor that cipro-ed me. It was all the others who were dismissive, condescending, non-believing…they are trained to worship the drugs. No thanks.

    • Cindy Jones June 13, 2016 at 1:25 pm Reply

      Hi Linda I agree. They are a lot of charlatans.If they did as well at being a dr as they do at being sarcastic, dismissive, rude condescending, non believing without even getting their facts straight then we would not be needing to be on this forum in the first place.

  19. Erika March 28, 2016 at 6:46 pm Reply

    Oops… I mean you guys. I am using the keyboard on my Kindle which can be a bit tricky!

  20. Erika March 28, 2016 at 6:52 pm Reply

    Linda, just a thought, have you mentioned the IV treatments to Steve? Sounds like he started off like you. Maybe this would give him something to go on. I know I said this before, but I am so glad that you are feeling so much better. I am confident that you will make a complete recovery.

    • Steve Halvoorsen March 29, 2016 at 7:27 am Reply

      Just was curious about the “IV treatments” you mentioned. Also, don’t think in my original posting I was put on high dose prednisone (50) mgs a day, along with being “floxed.”.

      • Cindy Jones March 29, 2016 at 9:19 am Reply

        I was put on a short courne for five days for a wheezy cest some six months prior to being floxws and poisoned with antibiotics. The steroids made me feel very depressed and the antibiotics finished me off.

        Thanks doc!

      • Cindy Jones March 29, 2016 at 9:22 am Reply

        Whoops. Sorry about typos.

  21. Cindy Jones March 28, 2016 at 6:57 pm Reply

    Has anyone tried or got any knowledge of the glutathione Life Well patches . See Bobs posting to me.

  22. Cindy March 28, 2016 at 9:29 pm Reply

    Hi Erika
    This is in response to your posting about the stabbing pain in your eye etc. I understand completely where you are coming from. I reached that stage some time ago and with good reason. I do not think that you are being unreasonable at all. I am glad that your eye symptoms have settled down and that your vision is ok.

    • Erika March 28, 2016 at 10:34 pm Reply

      Thank you Cindy, you are so encouraging. I hope you have a wonderful week!

      • Cindy March 28, 2016 at 10:42 pm Reply

        Thanks Erika I hope you also have a wonderful week.
        I woke up at 4am having spasms so got up and had a pint of milk. I am hoping and praying that these burning and spasms will ease off soon.

        I have put my tens machine on my back to see if that will stop them.
        Then I went on the internet. You know how it is!!

  23. Linda March 28, 2016 at 10:52 pm Reply

    Erika–funny you should mention the pelvic pressure. Am going to an integrative gyno tomorrow. Mine has come and gone and some nights it’s so bad I get up to go to the bathroom literally dozens of times. So much for sleeping. And since this started I have felt like I had a UTI at least a dozen times. Only once did I actually have it. The irony is that the UTI I was initially given the cipro for—didn’t even know I had it! Not until the doctor told me the urinalysis showed one. I had ZERO symptoms. Now it feels like one more often than not. My acupuncturist blamed inflammation which I am sure could have something to do with it, but I think it is just more nerve damage, since that is what I have dealt with the most. Beyond annoying.

    • Erika Kelly April 4, 2016 at 7:21 pm Reply

      Linda, was did you find out anything from your integrative gyno?

    • Juzero June 19, 2017 at 6:17 pm Reply

      I never have UTI but doctor prescribed nitrofurantoin when I was pregnant and it irised my bladder badly and make hurt my stomach, the pain was horrible until my legs, and I was having a feeling that my uterus and stomach was felling any moment if I walk, so I thought I was having UTI, also the doctor so they prescribed cipro , I juts took one , the laboratory results were negative for UTI but the damage was finished, what it help for this horrible pain and inflammation, FLAXSEED WATER, boil the flaxseed and friend just the jelly water before bed time and any time during the day when you feel this silly pain, I notice that I got this horrible bladder inflamation and pain when I have something acid, spicy, tomato sauce, milk, I still drink milk but after I have milk I have flaxseed water, good luck to everybody 🌹

  24. Cindy Jones March 28, 2016 at 11:36 pm Reply

    It is possible to test your urine at home however obviously you need the means to do so.
    Your dr may prescribe the necessary test strips or you may consider buying them yourse;.

    Signs of infection include finding leucocytes in the urine. If present these are detectable by doing a simple dipstick test at home. That way you can keep a check on what is going on bladderwise.

    Don’t be alarmed but there is also a conditio called interstitial cystitis. This can account for your signs and sumptoms of cystitis. This is an inflammatory condition a opposed to an infection. therefore antibiotics are not required!!

    Bicarb of soda has helped me in the past as I am prone to acidosis due to medication now.

    Putting a hot water bottle on your pelvis may hlp as may keeping to alkali foods and drinks.

    • Linda March 29, 2016 at 12:03 am Reply

      Thanks—yes I have been using the test strips for months now. And I have tried a number of different home remedies but I do think it is (at least partly) nerve damage. It comes and goes. And I will never take antibiotics again for a UTI again. I cured it the one time, thanks to an ND with a regiman of high dose C, A, herb pharm’s urinary system support and d-mannose to help flush it.

      • Cindy March 29, 2016 at 9:40 am Reply

        Hi Linda Thanks for your reply. I don’t blame you re not taking any antibiotics. I recently took a few cephalexin for a chest infection and guess what? Yes the burning, spasms, cramps, depression, anxiety, feelings of intense futility plus stiffness of the muscles intensified dramatically. A few weeks ago I had ONE doxycycline 100 mgm capsule and got severe chest pain, breathlessness, burning etc.

        I will never take another antibiotic again. Never ever.

        No one should have to go through this.

        • Erin June 28, 2016 at 11:53 pm

          Hi Cindy, Did your symptoms ease at all once stopping the antibiotics? I hope you’re feeling better.

  25. Linda March 29, 2016 at 8:01 am Reply

    Hi Steve, I don’t think my prednisone was in high doses either…doesn’t take much. Here are the IVs I got: Phosphatidylcholine (this is a natural part of our cell membranes, a lecithin) and is used for helping with nerve damage, among other things (it is recommended to get 2o of them); high dose vitamin c (this is way more than you could ever injest—50,000 mg) and it does many things including helping to rebuild collagen; myers cocktail (invented by a dr myers, it contains b vitamins, antioxidents, magnesium, etc again in doses you could not take in orally). I also got H2O2 because I needed to wean off of asthma steroidal inhalers, but it also bathes all cells in oxygen. Some people get ozone treatments and there is a lot of overlap between the two. With the exception of the H2O2 I got all IVs with a “push” (like a shot) of glutathione, which is the granddaddy of antioxidants. Oral pills are a waste of money because by the time they are digested, they can not make it through the cell wall where they need to go. Glutathione is immensely important to floxies.

  26. Linda March 29, 2016 at 8:10 am Reply

    Need to clarify re oral pills—was referring specifically to the glutathione. Here is a random site I found that explains a bit about IVs

  27. Steve Halvoorsen March 29, 2016 at 9:04 am Reply

    Thanks for the info. Wish they were closer to home.

  28. Steve Halvoorsen March 29, 2016 at 9:15 am Reply

    No problem at all. I have tried so many different drugs that I forget what they are and what they do.

  29. Steve Halvoorsen March 29, 2016 at 9:45 am Reply

    If you can find it online, Mondays edition has an article on turmeric curing tuberculosis. Newsmaxhealth.

  30. Cindy March 29, 2016 at 9:49 am Reply

    Dear Steve
    I am sorry to hear this. Please do not trouble your daughter about this.

    I hope that your daughter is okay now.

    Obviously I also wish you well and I apologise for troubling you.

  31. Steve Halvoorsen March 29, 2016 at 10:10 am Reply

    You are not troubling me. I have asked her to post the list plus some comments she had posted. Be patient (her patient – lol) Also, her problems have been long term, but sometimes (like last night) they really flare up.
    Oops, its noon in Minnesota, time for my nap. Talk at ya later.

  32. Cindy March 29, 2016 at 10:16 am Reply

    Thanks for your reply Steve. It really does help to be supported etc.

    Hope u have a good sleep.. See ya later.


  33. Linda April 4, 2016 at 8:24 pm Reply

    well, Erika, first I saw a neurologist who thinks it is interstitial cystitis. But then the gyno, after the exam said she thought it wasn’t that. I said “so you think it is just nerve damage?” and she said “yes, maybe.” So still nothing definitive. It’s so weird. A couple days ago it was so constant, and sooooo much pressure. Today? Not so much. My gut tells me ‘nerve damage.”

  34. Erika Kelly April 8, 2016 at 8:46 pm Reply

    Linda, thank you for sharing. In my case, I already had this pressure thing before the antibiotic and the antibiotic only made it worse. However, it is getting better. My sister who is interested in homeopathy also is having female issues and said she takes a combination of three teas almost daily. I have been drinking this for two weeks now and it has helped. You can buy them in the health food stores, and depending on where you are, in the grocery store. They are: Sweet cinnamon spice, Healthy Cycle, and Pao d’ Arco. I put a bag of each in a soup bowl size mug and let it steep for 10 minutes. It is very aromatic and I find it easy to drink. I don’t even add sugar. Anyway, I find it soothing and it has helped with the “imflammation” feeling which was also causing some achiness in legs. That is much better now too. I wish you the best in your recovery.

  35. Linda April 8, 2016 at 9:11 pm Reply

    Thanks…I actually had written down pau d’arco the other day but couldn’t find it in the store. will jot down the others. I also take herb pharm’s urinary system support and that seems to help a bit..I think it is the uva ursi ingredient

  36. Marlene June 1, 2016 at 4:39 am Reply

    If I wanted to try a colon detox where would I go and what would I ask for?

  37. Erika June 7, 2016 at 7:32 pm Reply

    Marlene, Sorry I just now saw your post. The one that worked well for me was by Garden of Life. It is called Perfect Cleanse. You will probably find it in your local health food store. You may even find it in your local grocery chain if they have an organic section.I believe part of the reason it worked so well is that it uses 600mg of magnesium to gently remove waste from your gut. As with all things, I would check out the ingredients first to make sure there will not be any interactions or possible issues with any meds you are taking or other conditions you might have. I only know I tolerated it extremely well. No cramping, but there was an almost immediate significant relief from almost all of my lingering symptoms. As I believe that floxies should take these things slowly and over time, I am waiting until the fall to do another one, since I don’t want to over tax my body. I have completely recovered now with just a twinge of something here and there which honestly I don’t believe I can attribute to the antibiotic anymore (after all, I am getting older). I hope this helps.

  38. Eurico June 13, 2016 at 9:38 am Reply

    I, your story it´s like my story, I take Cipro, 2 pills 500mg a day, in 3 day a bomb explode in my body, i felt all the symptoms, a i have tinnitus even today, its slow down, but continues, i take a lote off supplements but i think Magnesium Threonate was the best, i am recovery totally, but i think my body and my mind never will be before cipro, a take in Lorazepan to sleep one year, the withdrawal symptoms was another fight, so today a do a normal life, don´t take medicines or supplements, i sleep 8 hours a night, and i am feel fine, Floxie Hope was an important support to my recover, the time is the best advice, the recover never happen faster.
    Sorry my english.

  39. L June 13, 2016 at 12:21 pm Reply

    Great news. I too had to take loratadine for months, but weaned myself off. And I know what you mean—doesn’t seem like I will ever be where I was pre-Cipro. (and your English is fine.)

  40. L June 13, 2016 at 1:56 pm Reply

    GRRRR. Oh Cindy, I get so upset when I read your posts about the abusive doctors. I do NOT know of any NDs who do phone or online consults. I would find one there though (UK right? I am in the US) and forget about MDs for now. When I tried to get my OWN records from one, he refused, which is a violation of laws we have here. I tried a few more times and he too threatened to call the police! I think he was hugely embarrassed at having finally “seen the light” and regrettting his unkind, ill-adviced comments about me in his records. The doctor who threatened you with that sounds like a real jerk, and I am guessing either grossly ignorant and/or taking pharmaceutical money. You could file a complaint with your medical board, but if it is anything like ours, they want other doctors who support your side. ARGH. Like one big secret club. Anyhow, I found this resource for UK NDs

  41. Cindy Jones June 13, 2016 at 3:40 pm Reply

    Hi Thanks for the info I will definitely look into these practitioners.

    What happened with the police why did he threaten you?
    btw the surgery in question has blocked my reviews.

  42. L June 13, 2016 at 4:35 pm Reply

    He said I was threatening and harrassing his employees, which was absurd. I simply asked for my records…several times after I drove back to his office for the second time. When I got home I called and again asked how to get them, and was told it had to be in writing with an ID (which is funny because a week prior they handed me all the sheets that just had stuff like height and weight on it, so clearly it was to dissuade me.) I went back (third time now), with my license, and a typed letter, and this was the “threat”—If I didn’t receive my records within two weeks I would file a report on him for violation of what’s called the HIPPA laws here. OF course, the letter was just one more way to intimidate me. (I did file a complaint with the medical board, who did NOTHING. ugh.) What is so pathetic is that this guy is a neurologist, and he knew NOTHING about the nerve damage from Cipro. In fact, in his notes of my office visit, he referred to me as delusional, and said something like (I actually saw the records a year or more ago, so not remembering word for word) but I think it said I had “pseduo medical knowledge” or something like that. EVERYTHING I told him was from either the FDA, The Journal Neurology (which he apparently doesn’t read,), Mayo Clinic, Dr. Charles Bennett (FLQ Dr/researcher). It’s really sad how disillusioned I have become with allopathic medicine as a whole. I guess there might be some good doctors out there, but I hope to never see one again, unless they are integrative, or an ND.

    • Cindy Jones June 13, 2016 at 5:21 pm Reply

      31 doctors licensed to work in the NHS despite convictions for sex offences and child pornography
      By Guy Basnett • September 24, 2012 • 0 Comments
      Young doctor with stethoscope on a blue background
      THIRTY-ONE doctors are licensed to work in the NHS despite being convicted of sex and child pornography offences.

      The list includes four doctors convicted or cautioned for child pornography offences, and four doctors convicted or cautioned for sex assaults.

      Another 21 medics, including a specialist in obstetrics and gynaecology, have been convicted or cautioned for soliciting prostitutes and kerb-crawling.

      While two others were cautioned for exposure and voyeurism.

      The figures, released here (table) and here (response) by the General Medical Council (GMC) under the Freedom of Information Act, reveal vulnerable patients may be being treated by paedophiles or sex offenders, yet have no warning of their past behaviour.

      The GMC, which registers doctors to practice medicine in the UK, has powers to investigate wrongdoing with the most serious cases heard by an independent ‘fitness to practice’ panel.

      The panel can strike offending doctors from the medical register.

      Yet only one of the sex offending doctors currently has his licence suspended by the GMC, and one other is subject to ‘undertakings’ which can include monitoring or re-training.

      All the other 29 – including three who committed child pornography offences – are licensed by the GMC to treat patients – including children – apparently without any conditions. Of these, ten are under no sanctions by the GMC at all, while 19 are subject only to warnings.

      Today we can also reveal that at least 23 of the doctors are not only licensed to practice, but currently employed at hospitals and GP surgeries across Britain.

      More of the doctors may also be working but their current employment details are not held by the GMC as their cases are ‘no longer active’.

      The figures reveal the limitations of sex offender legislation designed to protect vulnerable people from harm, as doctors with a history of offending are free to keep working.

      Niall Dickson, chief executive of the GMC said: “Cases of doctors convicted of sexual assault or child pornography offences are very rare and in the vast majority of these cases these doctors are struck off the medical register so they cannot practice medicine in the UK.”

      But today we can reveal the trusts across Britain employing medics, including GPs and hospital specialists, with a history of sex and child pornography offences.

      A doctor currently employed by Imperial College Healthcare NHS Trust in London was cautioned for possessing indecent images and making indecent movies of children.

      The images were classed as ‘Level 1’, the lowest severity.

      He is the only doctor currently subject to ‘undertakings’ by the GMC which can include restrictions prohibiting working with particular patients.

      A specialist in ‘general surgery’ currently employed by Ealing Hospital NHS Trust was convicted of ten counts of making indecent photographs or pseudo-photographs of children.

      A specialist in ‘adult psychiatry’ now employed by the Aneurin Bevan Health Board was convicted of possessing an indecent photograph of a child.

      Both were initially suspended, but now face no sanctions by the GMC.

      And a medic now employed by Royal Liverpool and Broadgreen University Hospitals NHS Trust was convicted of twelve counts of making an indecent photograph of a child.

      He faced conditions placed on his work after a GMC fitness to practice panel hearing, but now faces no sanction.

      The list also reveals a GP now employed by the North Bristol NHS Trust, South Gloucestershire PCT, and North Somerset Community Partnership was cautioned for ‘Sexual touching of a female aged 13 or over with no penetration’.

      It is understood the caution relates to an adult female.

      Another doctor, currently employed by Hull and East Yorkshire Hospitals NHS Trust, was cautioned for ‘sexual touching’.

      Both were initially suspended following fitness to practice panel hearing but both face no current sanction.

      Another doctor employed by the Barts and the London NHS Trust was cautioned for a ‘Sexual offence to woman over 16 years old”.

      Despite the caution, no further action was taken against the doctor by the GMC and he is still registered to practise with no conditions.

      A doctor specialising in obstetrics and gynaecology, currently employed by the Wirral University Teaching Hospital NHS Trust, was cautioned for soliciting a prostitute in a street or public place.

      While a GP now employed at Hammersmith and Fulham PCT was cautioned for persistently soliciting a woman for prostitution from a vehicle.

      A GP currently employed by Bolton PCT was cautioned for committing an act of outraging public decency by behaving in an indecent manner.

      He received a warning.

      And a doctor now employed by East Sussex Downs and Weald PCT was cautioned for outraging public decency.

      The GMC found his ability to practice was not impaired and he faced no sanction.

      The GMC licenses doctors to practise medicine in the UK, and says its ‘purpose is to protect, promote and maintain the health and safety of the public by ensuring proper standards in the practice of medicine’.

      If there are concerns about a doctor’s fitness to practice, the GMC can launch an investigation in which evidence can be gathered from complainants, employers, witnesses and experts.

      This investigation could conclude with no further action being taken, with a warning being issued, or with undertakings being agreed – which can include restrictions on a doctor’s practice or behaviour, supervision measures or re-training.

      The more serious cases are referred to a fitness to practice panel hearing, which will decide if the doctor’s fitness to practise in future is impaired.

      The panel is made up of a chairperson and at least one medic and one non-medical person, who sit with a legal assessor advising on law and procedure, and sometimes with specialist advisors.

      The panel may issue a warning, take no action, accept undertakings offered by the doctor, place conditions on the doctor’s registration, suspend the doctor’s registration, or erase the doctor’s name from the medical register so they can no longer practise.

      In June, the Medical Practitioners Tribunal Service (MPTS) took over fitness to practice and interim order panel hearings from the GMC as part of a shake-up of panel hearings.

      It is still part of the GMC, but is operationally separate and accountable to Parliament.

      The GMC is now seeking parliamentary approval for the right to appeal when it disagrees with panel decisions, which is expected to come into force later this year.

      It is also hoping to bring in rules automatically barring doctors who commit serious sexual offences from the medical register.

      The GMC has previously examined the use of an automatic ban but was given legal advice that striking off offending doctors automatically would contravene human rights laws.

      Out of the four offending doctors who were made to sign the sex offending register, three have seen their inclusion on the list expire.

      A spokesman said: “The GMC established the Medical Practitioners Tribunal Service in June to look after all fitness to practice cases.

      “As part of that process the GMC has been requesting the right of appeal, so if the panel makes a decision about a doctor’s fitness to practice which the GMC disagrees with, hopefully once this approval is granted, the GMC will have the right to appeal.

      “At the moment it doesn’t have the right to appeal.

      “These panels are independent of the GMC so often we might not agree with a particular sanction that panel has given, but at the moment we can’t do anything about it.

      “But hopefully when we have the right to appeal we will be able to change that.

      “In addition to that, as part of that request to parliament, the GMC is also looking to automatically strike off doctors who have been convicted of sexual offences.

      “It doesn’t have that power at the moment.”

      The spokesman confirmed that out of the 31 doctors still licensed to practice despite sex and child pornography offences, 29 faced no conditions.

      He also confirmed that this included three who had committed child pornography offences.

      The GMC pointed out that it has “an agreed policy with the Independent Safeguarding Authority (ISA) whereby cases in which a doctor represents a risk to children or vulnerable adults will be referred to the ISA.”

      The number of doctors licensed despite convictions or cautions for sex and child pornography offences has almost trebled since 2007, when 11 were reported as free to work on the NHS.

      Critics have pressed for an overhaul of rules to see paedophile and predatory doctors, in some of the most trusted positions in society, permanently barred.

      They are also concerned that the GMC, which regulates doctors, has no access to the Sex Offenders Register and relies on the police to inform them of convictions.

      * This article was provided to the Daily Mail by the agency I co-run, OpenWorld News.

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      Freedom of Information, Investigations, NHS

      About Guy Basnett
      Guy Basnett is an investigative journalist and reporter. He has held the posts of Chief Reporter at The Journal, Newcastle Upon Tyne, Features Writer at the News of the World, and Deputy Features Editor at the News of the World. He was awarded Young Reporter of the Year at the Press Gazette Regional Press Awards 2006, shortlisted for Reporter of the Year at the British Press Awards 2009, and shortlisted for Young Journalist of the Year at the British Press Awards 2010. He currently works in the Investigations Unit of Channel 4 News.
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    • Cindy Jones June 13, 2016 at 5:29 pm Reply

      Typica threatenig behaviour from a bully boy dr using mafioso techniques to try to scare the s… out of people. Take no notic eof such juvenile behaviour. He obviously has a personality defect that prevent him from seeing and acknowledginhg his obvious flaws . As for the neurologist the same applies to him.

      Fancy a neurologist pretending not to know that fluoroquinolones cause so much damage. What a jerk!

      Good policy to keep away from these jerks.
      They are detrimental to our health in many, many ways.

      Take care.

  43. Cindy Jones June 13, 2016 at 5:10 pm Reply

    Thanks very much for your reply it is much appreciated. It is comforting to know that someone else has received the same bullying , threatening and intimidating treatment in an effort to scare away a patient with a genuine concern.

    The creep is wasting his time because I have reported him to the Police who will have to investgate.
    I am sick of spinless doctors who allege that they do not know anything about AB and C when something goes wrong. Ignorance is no defence except in their eyes .
    am hving a panic attack now

  44. Cindy Jones June 13, 2016 at 5:16 pm Reply

    Today we can also reveal that at least 23 of the doctors are not only licensed to practice, but currently employed at hospitals and GP surgeries across Britain.

    Which surgeries would these be one can only wonder?

    Surely that magnificent Organisation NHS England must check these perverts out or have knowledge as to who they are?


    Would you like a copy of the letter stating that a particular dr has changed his name sent to you? If not why not?

  45. L June 13, 2016 at 6:55 pm Reply

    well, I am afraid MOST of us on here have experienced that kind of dismissiveness and bullying from doctors. It is so ingrained in them in med school that chemical pharmaceuticals are the cure-all and anything natural is “quackery.” IT’s sad you don’t become aware of this until you are so injured…(btw, I noticed you replying to Lisa, who runs this site. That’s not me. Just same initial.)

  46. Maryanna Derk September 22, 2017 at 8:36 pm Reply

    Hello – even though I did not take the same antibiotics as you, I still had a severe adverse reaction, with many similarities to your experience.
    I too, was poisoned by antibiotics – in my case, they were Biaxin and Amoxicillin, prescribed for a case of stomach Gastritis, for which I tested positive for the H pylori bacteria. The HP Pac contained a neutron-bomb strength of the meds. I took them as prescribed, for only 2.5 days, before I got so sick that I had to stop. That’s when the symptoms started, and seemed to get worse for a few days.
    Symptoms included the following:
    nausea, muscle weakness, muscle tremors and muscle spasms. These are terrifying, and have sent my anxiety through the roof. Also, I sporadically lose my ability to speak. My mouth and face feel like they are shot full of Novocaine.
    What I would like to know is: how do I detox my body, to get these poisons out of my system? Any suggestions would be very much appreciated.
    I wish you continuing success in your recovery.

    • Zainab November 28, 2017 at 5:33 am Reply

      Hi i was also poisoned by biaxin. What are your current symptoms

    • Zainab November 28, 2017 at 5:41 am Reply

      Maryanna pls email me on
      I was also poisoned with biaxin

  47. Amy September 29, 2017 at 9:16 pm Reply

    Hi Erika, thank you for posting an update. I also took Flagyl and it has ruined me completely. One of the main issues is the jerking muscles at night, enormous weight gain, dark facial hair, the dry skin, mouth, nose and lack of smell and taste. Did your dry skin get better completely? I really need some hope and healing ! It’s been 4 and a half months already.

  48. Erika October 22, 2017 at 10:41 pm Reply

    Maryanna, and Amy, I am sorry that I am just now responding. It has now been over two years for me. I do not know if this will help, but I did a cleanse, called Perfect Cleanse by Garden of Life that seemed to start me on more of a healing process. I believe partly it was due to the 600mg Magnesium it contains. I can now say I am absolutely fully recovered since early this year May of 2017. I was floxed by Cipro and possibly Flagyl in 2015. The one symptom that had been dogging me up until that point was really high anxiety and kind of an electric hum underlying my skin almost always. Those things suddenly dissapeared. I religiously take magnesium, vitamin D (5000 IU/day), vit C, organic curcumin and Vitamin B complex. I also do the cleanse now twice/year. I have also since Oct of last year, started a high fat low carb, moderate protein (most days) lifestyle with intermittent fasting. I feel that those things helped me rid myself of the last vestiges of this drug. I would exercise caution though in attempting this as I was rid of most of my symptoms before I started. No more tremors or anything, those seemed to dissapear with the fasting. My dry skin has healed over time. I believe that the organic skin lotion along with some essential oils I have been using has helped with that immensely. Again, this is something that is very individualized. My sense of taste, smell has returned completely. Also, I rarely have an issue with dry mouth anymore, but still deal with dry eyes. However, I am going into menopause and believe that may be the cause of that at this point. BTW, for the most part, I eat organic whenever possible, strictly avoid flouride. Probiotics also helped me although it takes time.

    I am so sorry to hear about your troubles. My Mom was just in the hospital a month ago, she is 75 and all of the doctors/staff wanted to put her on cipro. I could not believe it. I insisted that she was severely allergic, just to ensure that they would not put her on any of that stuff. It was the only way to stop them. They are not even supposed to be giving it to people older than sixty. It is even on the label. I actually said that to one of the nurses, and she was all surprised. This just goes to show you, be an advocate!! Not only for yourself, but for your loved ones and if you have to lie through your teeth, do it. I wish all of you the best. Total recovery is possible. Not everyone I am sad to say will be able to get there, but a lot of you will. My prayers go with all of you.

  49. Deb November 12, 2017 at 1:06 pm Reply

    I am four months out and am having a difficult time handling all the symptoms. I have about six symptoms. Some symptoms seem to get a little better, and some have started in the last few weeks. What helped you psychologically to handle all the symptoms? It would help greatly if I thought I was healing.

  50. Erika December 20, 2017 at 10:29 pm Reply

    Deb, for me my faith in God really got me through. I prayed a lot and felt that whether I recovered completely or not, God would be there for me. He was. It took a while but my last pesky symptoms (high anxiety, electric current running through my body, etc..) finally totally disappeared the around March of this year. They have occasionally made a very brief and low intensity recurrence, but I can say they have stayed away in general. I mainly focused on moving forward, taking part in my job, family celebrations and hobbies, such as travel. At first I was on auto pilot, then I slowly began to enjoy things again. I wish you the best, there is hope. Don’t give up! It is different for each of us.

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