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Agata
9 years ago
Hi Lucy and Jason
Chelation with zeolit has no side effects, I got it from a doctor who is now practicing alternative medicine..but he was a dr. before. The zeolit is safe. It does not depletes you of goo stuff but just the bad. It has no side effects but you must drink plenty of water to flush toxins out. It has some kind of structure to bind toxins in a chain and the body flushes them out. I was reading here our posts about zeolit and there are no people that are saying its bad. I don’t know. As far I was reading a lot of vitamin C….is also good to flush fluor out. Vitamin C is safe. But this is just my reserch.
Lucy Sky
9 years ago
Agata
Sorry I misread your msg. I thought that you had written that you have had side effects from chelation. sorry I have had terrible day again following being given chamomile on Thursday. I do apologise. I might go for the chelation therapy myself as Jason has said it is safe.
I felt despondent too when I read that chelation is unsafe but Jason has restored my hope. Thank you Jason.
Kind regards Lucy.
Agata
9 years ago
Hi Lucy Jason
Here is something abaut zeoli from our internet sides….
The special structure of the zeolite provides a very high specific internal surface area, up to 1000 m2 per gram of zeolite. Many parts tunnels, channels and caves make for zeolite as a sponge that absorbs your heavy metals such as lead, mercury, cadmium, cesium, as well as residues of medicines or pathogenic bacteria and viruses before they enter the bloodstream. This deadly cocktail with secretion normally eliminated from the body within 24 hours. Simultaneously, volcanic soil cast body is necessary and highly desirable ions, such as magnesium, calcium, potassium and sodium. Ion exchange operates therefore as good, whereas the pollutant a high affinity for the crystal lattice of the zeolite Clinoptilolite. Cations contained in the crystal lattice are highly dependent on the organic material in the organism. Very interesting it is that the body is able to absorb only so much of ions and only those minerals it really needs. Excess minerals are excreted from the body. Therefore, there is no risk that it would lead to overdosing. Chronic diseases may be taking zeolites prevented in time because it is self-healing system of the body positively active. In addition, the liver is greatly relieved because the zeolite binds ammonia. Due to the ability of neutralization to minimize the formation of free radicals in the gastro intestinal tract for up to 50%. By taking zeolite organism is relieved, then more power to build cells and regenerative processes, defensive strength of the body is increased.
I translated with google translator hope its ok.
Lucy Sky
9 years ago
Jason I could not reply via your msg. I do not fully understand how to navigate this site yet that is how I came to miss some of your postings. Some msgs just disappear off screen,
Lucy
Jason
9 years ago
Tricia, Agata, this is for you, and anyone else that wants to read an interesting article about the differences between Tendinitis, and Tendonosis, and some suggestions on what to do:
Note this quote “Nutrition. Vitamin C, manganese, and zinc are all important for the synthesis of collagen production(20). Vitamin B6 and Vitamin E have also been linked to tendon health(21). Patients might benefit from talking with their primary health care provider or a nutrition specialist to be sure their intake of these nutrients is sufficient.”
IIRC – Bone broth is thought to be particularly helpful and protein and/or amino acids like Lysine in particular (I took a Vit C with Lysine supplement esp for Collagen, I think they might work synergistically)
Note the article is not taking into consideration either of those conditions caused by Fluoride or FQ toxicity. Note also, testing just the blood for nutrients/minerals does not give a full picture on what is going on in the body, or in the cells, and does not take into account FQ Toxicity. My test said I was fine in Magnesium and I can tell you that didn’t matter, because every time I put Magnesium on my painful legs it helped the pain and the nerves settle down, and the drug/Fluoride rob the body of this Mineral especially.
I recommend that people concerned about their Mineral Balances in their body consider doing a Hair Mineral/Metal analysis, which gives a lot of info on many different Minerals, Toxic Metals, and gives a little more insight into what is going on in the cells.
Lucy Sky
9 years ago
Have to be careful with magnesium if on warfarin. Mag interacts with warfarin.
Mike
9 years ago
Brian, I’ve noticed the same thing as you since I took Cipro regarding stools. Surprisingly, I found a D.O. who is going to test me for leaky gut today. I’m interested in what the results will be. Off the subject, this Dr. knew all about fluoroquinolone tendon damage which makes sense because he does PRP, prolo etc. He’s had 5 floxed patients. He also is a big believer in mehylation and is currently studying it. Shocking. Glad to see that the damage from these FQ’s are finally starting to be acknowledged as legitimate. It was refreshing to have a Dr. actually be sympathetic to pain and suffering caused by these drugs rather than assume you are crazy.
Lucy Sky
9 years ago
Hi Debs
I am sure that you are right. I agree that all flq are just as bad as each other. This was just one persons point of view on the flq.
I will never forgive the people who did this to me. Do you think I am bad saying that?
On the subject of a group of drugs damaging muscles. The statins are all as bad as each other. However I am sure that everyone here already knows that.
How could Big Pharma do this to people? How could anyone?
These stories about the dangers of fluoroquinolones are true. They are not made up, they are not an imaginary set of signs and symptoms. My signs and symptoms were present but worsening for months possibly years before I even knew they were due to the flq. The only clue I had was that the onset of the heaviness and coldness of my leg started five days after being prescribed antibiotics including cipro. I had had them four or five times over a number of years.
It was a dr a specialist who pointed me in the right direction and this led to researching antibiotic toxicity which led me to the facts about the fluroquinolones. I feel trapped and disempowered by this continuing harrowing horrific experience.
WHY, WHY did this have to happen to me or to anyone ? WHY?
Why do my family have to suffer in silence?
claude
9 years ago
hello my friends
if someone have recommandation with candidas and our condition
thank you
Amanda
9 years ago
Floxie question: Has anyone (floxies) ever taken Ashwagandha? If so, any negative side effects? Dosage? My kinesiologist put me on it to get rid of some bacteria & viruses.
Mark S
9 years ago
I think I need to back off taking Vitamin D. Ever since I realized I was insufficient and started taking it, I have just gotten worse and worse. I started taking a 5,000 IU softgel to go along with my multivitamin and I think it’s just make my mag deficinecy even worse. The past three nights I’ve been having terrible ringing in my ears and “middle of the night insomnia”. Should I back off to just 1,000 IUs or so to take it easy on myself?
Lucy Sky
9 years ago
Do you know the reference range of vit D?
It is always adviseable to have the dose monitored to avert vit D toxicity especially if you have kidney disease.
When did you start taking vit D ? How did you know it was low?
Are you taking calcium as well?
What other supplements are you taking?
Is your blood being monitored?
If the supplements are making you feel ill then the best advice is to see a dr to get blood works done to exclude/check out vit D toxicity etc.
Lucy
Lucy Sky
9 years ago
Hi Mark
Have you got copies of your blood reports with the reference ranges and values?
Are you under an endocrinologist?
Lucy
Lucy Sky
9 years ago
I personally would be very hesitant to take a higher dose of vitamin D unless my dr advised me to do so. However I cannot tell you what to do or what no to do just pass on my comments about my own situation.
I was wondering if you had actually informed your dr about you increasing the dose and the fact that you feel ill since doing so.
I take it that you have access to your dr.
Any change in condition should really be referred to the dr. What does the patient Information Leaflet advise you to do ?
Lucy
This message is from Jason to Lucy. For some reason, it didn’t go through when he posted it –
Hi Lucy – Thyroid. Did they test you for Graves?
Here are a few interesting articles, note, this is one subject I have only scratched the surface on because I eventually ruled out Thyroid issues for myself, also I looked more into the HYPO end of it because that is what I thought I might be before I was tested.
http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2014/06/15/hypothyroid-hyperthyroid-disease.aspx
This one talks about the Fluoride/Iodone relationship, toxic heavy metals, and more. Oddly enough 3/4 of the way down the page you will see where they treated “Hyper” people with Iodine and Lithium, yet Hyperthyroidism can be caused by too much Iodine (which in a Floxies case is often the opposite, too little Iodine due to the Fluoride). Note I would never use Rx Lithium (toxic I am sure) personally, I use Lithium Orotate myself. Note this study is using regular Iodine also not radioactive.
http://www.drlwilson.com/articles/thyroid.htm
Boatload of info here, I use this website a lot, Dr. Mercola too. This one again stresses figuring out the root cause to treat it properly.
Seems like you have a lot of reading and definitely more of your own researching to do for this condition for sure, and then can hopefully talk to a Naturopath about all these things, maybe even a trustworthy Doctor if you can find one, and get some very important testing done hopefully too, seems like a fairly serious condition and its one that can affect ones health in many ways. Yours is a complex case overall for sure Lucy with the other factors involved, and proper testing in my opinion could really be key to getting answers to the root causes of some of these issues. Good luck and God Bless
Mark S
9 years ago
So I’ve been using a chelated form of magnesium from Whole Foods and I just discovered it’s in the form of Oxide and Aspartate! Aren’t these the worst forms of magnesium?!
Has anyone heard of the Vitamin D Council, I believe they are based in the US.
Re Magnesium . What s the best,safest form to take?
Has anyone tried Bowens Therapy?
Jason
9 years ago
Anyone doubting the seriousness of Candida, and how it can even keep people sick long after some of the other Cipro damage has been healed, should read Erin’s story here:
I talked a little about this last page and left a website there with more info as well. I “think” Erin and Nikki are the ones who started the “Oils for Flox Recovery” group on Facebook Catherine is referring to above, but could be wrong on that. (She does mention at the end she started a facebook group, not sure it is the same one I imagine it is)
Hi Lucy and Jason
Chelation with zeolit has no side effects, I got it from a doctor who is now practicing alternative medicine..but he was a dr. before. The zeolit is safe. It does not depletes you of goo stuff but just the bad. It has no side effects but you must drink plenty of water to flush toxins out. It has some kind of structure to bind toxins in a chain and the body flushes them out. I was reading here our posts about zeolit and there are no people that are saying its bad. I don’t know. As far I was reading a lot of vitamin C….is also good to flush fluor out. Vitamin C is safe. But this is just my reserch.
Agata
Sorry I misread your msg. I thought that you had written that you have had side effects from chelation. sorry I have had terrible day again following being given chamomile on Thursday. I do apologise. I might go for the chelation therapy myself as Jason has said it is safe.
I felt despondent too when I read that chelation is unsafe but Jason has restored my hope. Thank you Jason.
Kind regards Lucy.
Hi Lucy Jason
Here is something abaut zeoli from our internet sides….
The special structure of the zeolite provides a very high specific internal surface area, up to 1000 m2 per gram of zeolite. Many parts tunnels, channels and caves make for zeolite as a sponge that absorbs your heavy metals such as lead, mercury, cadmium, cesium, as well as residues of medicines or pathogenic bacteria and viruses before they enter the bloodstream. This deadly cocktail with secretion normally eliminated from the body within 24 hours. Simultaneously, volcanic soil cast body is necessary and highly desirable ions, such as magnesium, calcium, potassium and sodium. Ion exchange operates therefore as good, whereas the pollutant a high affinity for the crystal lattice of the zeolite Clinoptilolite. Cations contained in the crystal lattice are highly dependent on the organic material in the organism. Very interesting it is that the body is able to absorb only so much of ions and only those minerals it really needs. Excess minerals are excreted from the body. Therefore, there is no risk that it would lead to overdosing. Chronic diseases may be taking zeolites prevented in time because it is self-healing system of the body positively active. In addition, the liver is greatly relieved because the zeolite binds ammonia. Due to the ability of neutralization to minimize the formation of free radicals in the gastro intestinal tract for up to 50%. By taking zeolite organism is relieved, then more power to build cells and regenerative processes, defensive strength of the body is increased.
I translated with google translator hope its ok.
Jason I could not reply via your msg. I do not fully understand how to navigate this site yet that is how I came to miss some of your postings. Some msgs just disappear off screen,
Lucy
Tricia, Agata, this is for you, and anyone else that wants to read an interesting article about the differences between Tendinitis, and Tendonosis, and some suggestions on what to do:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3312643/
Note this quote “Nutrition. Vitamin C, manganese, and zinc are all important for the synthesis of collagen production(20). Vitamin B6 and Vitamin E have also been linked to tendon health(21). Patients might benefit from talking with their primary health care provider or a nutrition specialist to be sure their intake of these nutrients is sufficient.”
IIRC – Bone broth is thought to be particularly helpful and protein and/or amino acids like Lysine in particular (I took a Vit C with Lysine supplement esp for Collagen, I think they might work synergistically)
Note the article is not taking into consideration either of those conditions caused by Fluoride or FQ toxicity. Note also, testing just the blood for nutrients/minerals does not give a full picture on what is going on in the body, or in the cells, and does not take into account FQ Toxicity. My test said I was fine in Magnesium and I can tell you that didn’t matter, because every time I put Magnesium on my painful legs it helped the pain and the nerves settle down, and the drug/Fluoride rob the body of this Mineral especially.
I recommend that people concerned about their Mineral Balances in their body consider doing a Hair Mineral/Metal analysis, which gives a lot of info on many different Minerals, Toxic Metals, and gives a little more insight into what is going on in the cells.
Have to be careful with magnesium if on warfarin. Mag interacts with warfarin.
Brian, I’ve noticed the same thing as you since I took Cipro regarding stools. Surprisingly, I found a D.O. who is going to test me for leaky gut today. I’m interested in what the results will be. Off the subject, this Dr. knew all about fluoroquinolone tendon damage which makes sense because he does PRP, prolo etc. He’s had 5 floxed patients. He also is a big believer in mehylation and is currently studying it. Shocking. Glad to see that the damage from these FQ’s are finally starting to be acknowledged as legitimate. It was refreshing to have a Dr. actually be sympathetic to pain and suffering caused by these drugs rather than assume you are crazy.
Hi Debs
I am sure that you are right. I agree that all flq are just as bad as each other. This was just one persons point of view on the flq.
I will never forgive the people who did this to me. Do you think I am bad saying that?
On the subject of a group of drugs damaging muscles. The statins are all as bad as each other. However I am sure that everyone here already knows that.
How could Big Pharma do this to people? How could anyone?
These stories about the dangers of fluoroquinolones are true. They are not made up, they are not an imaginary set of signs and symptoms. My signs and symptoms were present but worsening for months possibly years before I even knew they were due to the flq. The only clue I had was that the onset of the heaviness and coldness of my leg started five days after being prescribed antibiotics including cipro. I had had them four or five times over a number of years.
It was a dr a specialist who pointed me in the right direction and this led to researching antibiotic toxicity which led me to the facts about the fluroquinolones. I feel trapped and disempowered by this continuing harrowing horrific experience.
WHY, WHY did this have to happen to me or to anyone ? WHY?
Why do my family have to suffer in silence?
hello my friends
if someone have recommandation with candidas and our condition
thank you
Floxie question: Has anyone (floxies) ever taken Ashwagandha? If so, any negative side effects? Dosage? My kinesiologist put me on it to get rid of some bacteria & viruses.
I think I need to back off taking Vitamin D. Ever since I realized I was insufficient and started taking it, I have just gotten worse and worse. I started taking a 5,000 IU softgel to go along with my multivitamin and I think it’s just make my mag deficinecy even worse. The past three nights I’ve been having terrible ringing in my ears and “middle of the night insomnia”. Should I back off to just 1,000 IUs or so to take it easy on myself?
Do you know the reference range of vit D?
It is always adviseable to have the dose monitored to avert vit D toxicity especially if you have kidney disease.
When did you start taking vit D ? How did you know it was low?
Are you taking calcium as well?
What other supplements are you taking?
Is your blood being monitored?
If the supplements are making you feel ill then the best advice is to see a dr to get blood works done to exclude/check out vit D toxicity etc.
Lucy
Hi Mark
Have you got copies of your blood reports with the reference ranges and values?
Are you under an endocrinologist?
Lucy
I personally would be very hesitant to take a higher dose of vitamin D unless my dr advised me to do so. However I cannot tell you what to do or what no to do just pass on my comments about my own situation.
I was wondering if you had actually informed your dr about you increasing the dose and the fact that you feel ill since doing so.
I take it that you have access to your dr.
Any change in condition should really be referred to the dr. What does the patient Information Leaflet advise you to do ?
Lucy
This message is from Jason to Lucy. For some reason, it didn’t go through when he posted it –
Hi Lucy – Thyroid. Did they test you for Graves?
Here are a few interesting articles, note, this is one subject I have only scratched the surface on because I eventually ruled out Thyroid issues for myself, also I looked more into the HYPO end of it because that is what I thought I might be before I was tested.
https://doctordoni.com/2015/10/graves-disease-and-leaky-gut.html
The link between Graves Disease and Leaky Gut. Mentions high Cortisol can affect Thyroid, not sure if that is accurate and to what extent.
http://www.nativeremedies.com/ailment/hyperthyroidism-symptoms-information.html
Stresses the importance of knowing the root cause, gives tips etc
http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2014/06/15/hypothyroid-hyperthyroid-disease.aspx
This one talks about the Fluoride/Iodone relationship, toxic heavy metals, and more. Oddly enough 3/4 of the way down the page you will see where they treated “Hyper” people with Iodine and Lithium, yet Hyperthyroidism can be caused by too much Iodine (which in a Floxies case is often the opposite, too little Iodine due to the Fluoride). Note I would never use Rx Lithium (toxic I am sure) personally, I use Lithium Orotate myself. Note this study is using regular Iodine also not radioactive.
http://www.drlwilson.com/articles/thyroid.htm
Boatload of info here, I use this website a lot, Dr. Mercola too. This one again stresses figuring out the root cause to treat it properly.
http://www.endocrineweb.com/conditions/hyperthyroidism/hyperthyroidism-overview-overactive-thyroid
This one says Hyper can be caused by “toxic” nodules, and radioactive Iodine is used to basically destroy some cells in Thyroid to basically shut hormone production, seems like a very extreme measure, but I guess is needed in some cases.
Seems like you have a lot of reading and definitely more of your own researching to do for this condition for sure, and then can hopefully talk to a Naturopath about all these things, maybe even a trustworthy Doctor if you can find one, and get some very important testing done hopefully too, seems like a fairly serious condition and its one that can affect ones health in many ways. Yours is a complex case overall for sure Lucy with the other factors involved, and proper testing in my opinion could really be key to getting answers to the root causes of some of these issues. Good luck and God Bless
So I’ve been using a chelated form of magnesium from Whole Foods and I just discovered it’s in the form of Oxide and Aspartate! Aren’t these the worst forms of magnesium?!
Thankyou for accepting me to the group.
http://righteousinvestor.com/2014/10/03/tendinitis-the-mouth-connexion/
Has anyone heard of the Vitamin D Council, I believe they are based in the US.
Re Magnesium . What s the best,safest form to take?
Has anyone tried Bowens Therapy?
Anyone doubting the seriousness of Candida, and how it can even keep people sick long after some of the other Cipro damage has been healed, should read Erin’s story here:
http://blogs.naturalnews.com/fluoroquinolone-recovery-brought-to-you-by-nature/
I talked a little about this last page and left a website there with more info as well. I “think” Erin and Nikki are the ones who started the “Oils for Flox Recovery” group on Facebook Catherine is referring to above, but could be wrong on that. (She does mention at the end she started a facebook group, not sure it is the same one I imagine it is)