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Stephanie
8 years ago
I don’t know what is happening I have been slurring my words for the past half a hour I have very limited use of my left side. I have spams where the top and sides of head burn so badly that I don’t know if I am having seizures. I have three more weeks till the neurologist can see me. I am scared that my boyfriend is going to watch me die.
Alain Lejeune
8 years ago
Hello !
We are in France. We are floxies.
We want to undergo HPLC tests to track residual fluoroquinolone in our blood.
The HPLC technology offers two possibilities :
[1] Measuring the amount of fluoroquinolone in the blood of a patient who undergoes a medical treatment. Typically: 10 mg/liter.
[2] Measuring the amount of fluoroquinolone in the blood of a floxie a long time after the treatment. Typically: from 0,0 mg/liter to 0,4 mg/liter.
However in the French HPLC centers the second measure is not provided in clear.
Instead, the result is labeled “0.0 to 0.4” which is no help.
How about English speaking countries?
Is it possible to have full results?
Greetings!
Alain
Hope I posted in the right place 🙂
Alain Lejeune
8 years ago
Linda,
I learned this in a francophone forum called “atoute.org”.
Here is the URL of the section dedicated to the FQ.
I think the HPLC is very important for all floxies.
It allows them to assess their level of intoxication.
Also, the decrease in intoxication due to measures taken.
There’s just one problem.
The French HPLC provide no guidance in the area 0.0% – 0.4% concerning floxies. Some of us are afraid that this is done on purpose, so that floxies can not sue.
We are interested whether in English speaking countries HPLC tests are blocked or not the area 0.0% – 0.4%.
Yours.
Alain
joanne g
8 years ago
Stephanie,
Please check your blood work.
High Calcium levels can cause strokes, seizures, slurred speech, vascular problems, bone pain, tooth pain, hair loss, stomach issues, insomnia, brain fog, confusion, anxiety, panic, extreme fatigue, dizziness, vertigo and other symptoms.
When I read of the seizures and slurred speech I thought I should let you know.
Your Calcium level should be in the nines, but if you have a hyperparathyroid problem it can fluctuate from nines and tens or even higher, so check more than one of your calcium levels.
When your parathyroid glands are properly working your calcium levels will not fluctuate like that.
These fluctuating calcium levels could explain why we floxies get waves of more intense symptoms then periods of less intensity??
I’m 21 months out, and I just found out I have fluctuating high calcium levels and have been dx with hyparathyroid. I signed up for the surgery. I will let you all know if it works. It’s supposed to take every one of your symptoms away, a lot of times immediately after surgery, or some people said their symtoms gradually went away during the following two weeks after surgery.
I would go to the hospital and have them check some vital things like your heart, blood work (cmp) and I don’t know of anything for the brain except a ct scan.
I don’t know for sure, but I don’t think they can refuse anybody treatment regardless if you owe them money. Also, I wouldn’t worry about debt, your health and peace of mind is worth it. Just don’t let them give you any drugs/pharms.
I pray God helps you, and I’m so sorry you are suffering so much.
Chris
8 years ago
Hey Everyone,
I just wanted to let people know that healing my gut with a low FODMAP, gluten free, dairy free, sugar free diet has been helping me out immensely. At the end of last year I could hardly walk, couldn’t sit up, and had no energy. My muscles, tendons, and ligaments were screaming at me and it felt like I was dying. I’m still nothing close to my old athletic self today, but after a few weeks on this diet I’m now able to sit all day and go for a walk. I am also able to play with my two young children.
I had a battery of test performed at the beginning of the year and I am deficient in a number of vitamins and minerals, have multiple food allergies, SIBO, Candida, and Celiac disease. My IgA (gut inflammation) numbers are literally off the charts. I’m not out of the woods yet, but healing my gut has been the best thing I’ve done since this hell began a year and a half ago. I’m off of all supplements (used to be like 30) besides vitamin D, glutamine, biocidin, and topical magnesium. I eat at least 9 servings of organic vegetables a day (thank you Vitamix), antibiotic/hormone free/wild meat, seeds, nuts, and some occasional fruit. I only drink water (usually with lemon). I have not cheated once since receiving my test results. I can feel myself healing every day, so it’s not hard to stay the course when it means I don’t have to back to the pain.
I urge all of you test your gut health because I developed severe allergies to healthy foods like Olive Oil, Kale, Apricots, Zucchini, Cucumber and about 60 more seemingly healthy foods. For me it wasn’t enough to go on a gluten free diet or an SCD/low FODMAP diet. I had to figure out my allergies and go on my diet.
I don’t think it’s possible to heal your body without without healing your gut first. My fingers are still crossed because I feel like this is too good to be true after having so much pain and so many setbacks. I hope I’m no jinxing myself, but I had to share this update just in case anybody can be helped by doing what I’m doing. I’ll keep you posted as to my progress in a few weeks.
Hi Stephanie…
Hope you are doing a little better and hopefully got in to see a “doctor”….I know how scary that can be 🙁
Sending you hugs and prayers
Tricia
Nikki
8 years ago
Hi everyone, I am on my second round of Cipro in about 5 weeks for a UTI. The first time around I didn’t finish the whole course because I was feeling better (big no-no I guess with antibiotics) I experienced no side effects. Well, my UTI came back a week ago and I asked my doc for another prescription of Cipro. I really didn’t want to take more antibiotics, and first tried to treat it at home with D-Mannose, but I didn’t want it to spread to my kidneys so I started the Cipro.
And then I decided to start researching Cipro. What a shock! So many horrible stories of bad side effects. I am so concerned that I will develop symptoms. I’ve been taking it since Friday, and was experiencing some nausea and light headedness. But today, since my first dose this morning, I’ve begun to feel tingling in my right arm going up to my face. Is this just in my head? Or am I beginning to experience a bad side effect? I’m really concerned, and feel like I’m caught between a rock and a hard place, I don’t want my UTI to come back, but I don’t want to have permanent damage from a drug. Please help!
I should mention I did put a call into my doctor to report symptoms today, haven’t heard back from her.
Thanks
Bruce Brannan
8 years ago
There was a post on Facebook FQT page from a lady whose friend (Ph.D. Biochemistry & Molecular Biology) was looking into FQ and damage to Mitochondria. There were many supplements in antioxidants category to help with cell repair or stop cell damage. There are so many supplements like Pycnogenol, Resveratrol and Mito 2 Max mentioned, then you look at CoQ10, NAC, and ALA, how do you know what is good for floxies?????
Richard Pyne
8 years ago
I cannot sleep. Did not sleep a wink last night and only a few hours the night before. Can anyone give me some advice from experience. I am close to going into hospital to be sedated and very scared. Sorry this is not a positive story. Have taken one valium this morning. If you cannot sleep did anyone take sleeping pills?
Richard Pyne
8 years ago
I am ordering it if I can’t get it in my home town in England in the health food shops. Is there any particular type I should get?
Thank you for your reply.
Debs
8 years ago
The FORM of magnesium used if a person has any degree of kidney impairment is in my opinion important. The fact that the FQs can cause both acute kidney injury / failure ( which is a known documented potential ADR from FQ use, and which you usually would know you have, & which if caught can often be reversed ) & the fact they can potentially trigger chronic kidney disease ( CKD ) later down the line, something which is NOT acknowledged by the medical profession, and which often has NO visible / noticeable symptoms until often around 60% or more of the kidney function has been lost (, loss of function which in CKD is NOT reversible ! ) and the fact that various forms of magnesium can be detrimental to kidneys which are not functioning correctly, all this means it is very important in my opinion to get kidney function tested BEFORE going down the magnesium route, particularly as many when using magnesium for FQ toxicity, often use magnesium at quite a high dose.
The medical professions approach to treating chronic kidney disease, seems to be as in so many other things skewed. There is a difference between kidney disease & kidney failure, & magnesium is SO important, however as someone who has CKD, I personally I would be wary & recommend using the pico-ionic form of magnesium only, IF it is found that a person has any degree of kidney impairment, & the more the impairment, the more cautious I would be.
For anyone using magnesium of ANY kind, I would advise regular testing of kidney function due to CKD being potentially triggered by FQ use later down the line ( & many allopathic drugs can actually cause damage to our kidneys ) due to the VERY important fact, mentioned above, that CKD often has NO noticeable/ visible symptoms until it is quite advanced, & this loss of function is NOT recoverable. Because of this fact, even if kidneys when first tested are found not to be impaired from FQ use, I personally feel it is very important to then keep an eye on them .
I would also advise when starting down the magnesium route, as with any new protocol, to start off slowly, as what can help one person or even many people, can actually hurt others . Magnesium is certainly not tolerated by everyone, It is certainly NOT something that agrees with me.
I am saddened to let you all know that “Destruida” has passed. I know that she helped many of you through FQ toxicity. She generously offered her time and advice to many. She was a powerful advocate for victims of fluoroquinolones. In her non-FQ-related-life, she also loved animals and spent much of her time rescuing abandoned and hurt animals. My condolences to all of her loved ones.
Amanda
8 years ago
Any floxies out there had dental work with Septocaine? Any side effects? I’m having a tooth extracted, and this is what the dentist uses: Septocaine – 4%. Little nervous about having it done. I was floxed 4 yrs & 4 months ago.
Linda
8 years ago
OK, I am in the middle of writing an Avazz campaign petition. IT is asking for a picture…anyone??? something that really captures the devastation of this crap
Linda
8 years ago
OK everyone, I got the ok from the owner of the Myth of FLoxing photo (unfortunately only a small part fit in the space provided.) But I created an Avaaz petition. PLEASE SIGN everyone, and Lisa, if you have a way of sharing it with the FB fluoroquinolone site, or any other sites you are involved with? Thanks.
I highly recommend Jigsaw Health supplements. They have sustained release technology (SRT) where you can take high doses and it is distributed to your body over the course of 8 hours. I take 4,000mgs in the morning of Magnesium and Vitamin C, and another 4,000 at dinnertime. This ensures that these crucial nutrients are in your body constantly.
Linda
8 years ago
Well, I am disappointed to say that so far there are only 16 signatures on the petition. PLEASE if you haven’t signed, please do so. THE ONLY WAY things are going to change is if we keep our voices being heard. I am sure no one would wish what happened to them on another soul, and if we keep making noise at some point this travesty will end. Please sign, not only to keep other from this nightmare, but also for vindication to all those doctors who said it was all in your head, or it couldn’t possibly be the cipro/levaquin/avelox…. https://secure.avaaz.org/en/petition/Congress_of_the_United_States_the_World_Court_in_Hague_Limit_the_Use_of_Fluorquinolone_Antibiotics_to_LifeDeath_Situatio/?cvrCmcb
Richard Pyne
8 years ago
Hi everyone, sorry to bother you all. I know you cannot give medical advice. But I need help. I can’t sleep. I have taken one sleeping pill for each of the last two nights. They don’t get me through the night. I am so wired, is there a safe sedative I can take? My parents are close to taking me to the hospital where they will just give me anything. I am desperate and scared. How can I help my CNS calm down. Is there a safe sleeping pill. I have taken two Zopiclone. What do I say at the hospital about sedatives.
Richard Pyne
8 years ago
Zopiclone is a nonbenzodiazipine also. Should I avoid pills? What if I need something. Do any of you know a Doctor who I can phone who understands This problem. It is almost six weeks since I stopped the course of cipro. I took it for two weeks. Did you guys suffer insomnia. I will be blunt how did you cope with the panics.
Thank you all again
Debs
8 years ago
Hi Richard,
please try not panic about the insomnia situation this is so very common in us , to feel like we are extremely wired, to feel like we are overdosed on caffeine 24/7 to not be able to sleep. I have not not been able to sleep myself for more than 3-4 hours for a very long time myself. Please just be very careful going the hospital, all they can do is to prescribe more drugs for you, probably psychotropic drugs for this, & please keep in mind we can often have a problem metabolising many allopathic drugs due to the FQs inhibition of the Liver P 450 enzyme pathway.
Personally, I have gone many days without sleeping before, but eventually I do crash & sleep ( albeit for only 3-4 hours ) every single time. This is something SO many of us experience, I have been in this weird world we inhabit long enough to know that this situation is so very common for so many of us. Despite all this i am still here, & still functioning, despite being unable to sleep for days on end every so often, & apart from this no more than 3-4 hours a night & after 26 years after being multiply floxed . It is something I eventually got used to & now even seems normal for me. Please, although it is hard I know not to do so , try not to panic about your insomnia situation, it will just make things feel even more awful for you.
What have you tried so far in the above tips posted ?
Allopathic Drs I feel are not the answer here for our type of insomnia situation, sleeping tablets actually stopped working completely for me after my most damaging floxing I feel our insomnia is different than what is considered by allopathic Drs usual insomnia. So I was wondering, have you looked into finding an alternative Dr for this particular problem ?
I don’t know what is happening I have been slurring my words for the past half a hour I have very limited use of my left side. I have spams where the top and sides of head burn so badly that I don’t know if I am having seizures. I have three more weeks till the neurologist can see me. I am scared that my boyfriend is going to watch me die.
Hello !
We are in France. We are floxies.
We want to undergo HPLC tests to track residual fluoroquinolone in our blood.
The HPLC technology offers two possibilities :
[1] Measuring the amount of fluoroquinolone in the blood of a patient who undergoes a medical treatment. Typically: 10 mg/liter.
[2] Measuring the amount of fluoroquinolone in the blood of a floxie a long time after the treatment. Typically: from 0,0 mg/liter to 0,4 mg/liter.
However in the French HPLC centers the second measure is not provided in clear.
Instead, the result is labeled “0.0 to 0.4” which is no help.
How about English speaking countries?
Is it possible to have full results?
Greetings!
Alain
Hope I posted in the right place 🙂
Linda,
I learned this in a francophone forum called “atoute.org”.
Here is the URL of the section dedicated to the FQ.
http://www.atoute.org/n/forum/showthread.php?t=78772
I think the HPLC is very important for all floxies.
It allows them to assess their level of intoxication.
Also, the decrease in intoxication due to measures taken.
There’s just one problem.
The French HPLC provide no guidance in the area 0.0% – 0.4% concerning floxies. Some of us are afraid that this is done on purpose, so that floxies can not sue.
We are interested whether in English speaking countries HPLC tests are blocked or not the area 0.0% – 0.4%.
Yours.
Alain
Stephanie,
Please check your blood work.
High Calcium levels can cause strokes, seizures, slurred speech, vascular problems, bone pain, tooth pain, hair loss, stomach issues, insomnia, brain fog, confusion, anxiety, panic, extreme fatigue, dizziness, vertigo and other symptoms.
When I read of the seizures and slurred speech I thought I should let you know.
Your Calcium level should be in the nines, but if you have a hyperparathyroid problem it can fluctuate from nines and tens or even higher, so check more than one of your calcium levels.
When your parathyroid glands are properly working your calcium levels will not fluctuate like that.
These fluctuating calcium levels could explain why we floxies get waves of more intense symptoms then periods of less intensity??
I’m 21 months out, and I just found out I have fluctuating high calcium levels and have been dx with hyparathyroid. I signed up for the surgery. I will let you all know if it works. It’s supposed to take every one of your symptoms away, a lot of times immediately after surgery, or some people said their symtoms gradually went away during the following two weeks after surgery.
I would go to the hospital and have them check some vital things like your heart, blood work (cmp) and I don’t know of anything for the brain except a ct scan.
I don’t know for sure, but I don’t think they can refuse anybody treatment regardless if you owe them money. Also, I wouldn’t worry about debt, your health and peace of mind is worth it. Just don’t let them give you any drugs/pharms.
I pray God helps you, and I’m so sorry you are suffering so much.
Hey Everyone,
I just wanted to let people know that healing my gut with a low FODMAP, gluten free, dairy free, sugar free diet has been helping me out immensely. At the end of last year I could hardly walk, couldn’t sit up, and had no energy. My muscles, tendons, and ligaments were screaming at me and it felt like I was dying. I’m still nothing close to my old athletic self today, but after a few weeks on this diet I’m now able to sit all day and go for a walk. I am also able to play with my two young children.
I had a battery of test performed at the beginning of the year and I am deficient in a number of vitamins and minerals, have multiple food allergies, SIBO, Candida, and Celiac disease. My IgA (gut inflammation) numbers are literally off the charts. I’m not out of the woods yet, but healing my gut has been the best thing I’ve done since this hell began a year and a half ago. I’m off of all supplements (used to be like 30) besides vitamin D, glutamine, biocidin, and topical magnesium. I eat at least 9 servings of organic vegetables a day (thank you Vitamix), antibiotic/hormone free/wild meat, seeds, nuts, and some occasional fruit. I only drink water (usually with lemon). I have not cheated once since receiving my test results. I can feel myself healing every day, so it’s not hard to stay the course when it means I don’t have to back to the pain.
I urge all of you test your gut health because I developed severe allergies to healthy foods like Olive Oil, Kale, Apricots, Zucchini, Cucumber and about 60 more seemingly healthy foods. For me it wasn’t enough to go on a gluten free diet or an SCD/low FODMAP diet. I had to figure out my allergies and go on my diet.
I don’t think it’s possible to heal your body without without healing your gut first. My fingers are still crossed because I feel like this is too good to be true after having so much pain and so many setbacks. I hope I’m no jinxing myself, but I had to share this update just in case anybody can be helped by doing what I’m doing. I’ll keep you posted as to my progress in a few weeks.
Hi Stephanie…
Hope you are doing a little better and hopefully got in to see a “doctor”….I know how scary that can be 🙁
Sending you hugs and prayers
Tricia
Hi everyone, I am on my second round of Cipro in about 5 weeks for a UTI. The first time around I didn’t finish the whole course because I was feeling better (big no-no I guess with antibiotics) I experienced no side effects. Well, my UTI came back a week ago and I asked my doc for another prescription of Cipro. I really didn’t want to take more antibiotics, and first tried to treat it at home with D-Mannose, but I didn’t want it to spread to my kidneys so I started the Cipro.
And then I decided to start researching Cipro. What a shock! So many horrible stories of bad side effects. I am so concerned that I will develop symptoms. I’ve been taking it since Friday, and was experiencing some nausea and light headedness. But today, since my first dose this morning, I’ve begun to feel tingling in my right arm going up to my face. Is this just in my head? Or am I beginning to experience a bad side effect? I’m really concerned, and feel like I’m caught between a rock and a hard place, I don’t want my UTI to come back, but I don’t want to have permanent damage from a drug. Please help!
I should mention I did put a call into my doctor to report symptoms today, haven’t heard back from her.
Thanks
There was a post on Facebook FQT page from a lady whose friend (Ph.D. Biochemistry & Molecular Biology) was looking into FQ and damage to Mitochondria. There were many supplements in antioxidants category to help with cell repair or stop cell damage. There are so many supplements like Pycnogenol, Resveratrol and Mito 2 Max mentioned, then you look at CoQ10, NAC, and ALA, how do you know what is good for floxies?????
I cannot sleep. Did not sleep a wink last night and only a few hours the night before. Can anyone give me some advice from experience. I am close to going into hospital to be sedated and very scared. Sorry this is not a positive story. Have taken one valium this morning. If you cannot sleep did anyone take sleeping pills?
I am ordering it if I can’t get it in my home town in England in the health food shops. Is there any particular type I should get?
Thank you for your reply.
The FORM of magnesium used if a person has any degree of kidney impairment is in my opinion important. The fact that the FQs can cause both acute kidney injury / failure ( which is a known documented potential ADR from FQ use, and which you usually would know you have, & which if caught can often be reversed ) & the fact they can potentially trigger chronic kidney disease ( CKD ) later down the line, something which is NOT acknowledged by the medical profession, and which often has NO visible / noticeable symptoms until often around 60% or more of the kidney function has been lost (, loss of function which in CKD is NOT reversible ! ) and the fact that various forms of magnesium can be detrimental to kidneys which are not functioning correctly, all this means it is very important in my opinion to get kidney function tested BEFORE going down the magnesium route, particularly as many when using magnesium for FQ toxicity, often use magnesium at quite a high dose.
The medical professions approach to treating chronic kidney disease, seems to be as in so many other things skewed. There is a difference between kidney disease & kidney failure, & magnesium is SO important, however as someone who has CKD, I personally I would be wary & recommend using the pico-ionic form of magnesium only, IF it is found that a person has any degree of kidney impairment, & the more the impairment, the more cautious I would be.
For anyone using magnesium of ANY kind, I would advise regular testing of kidney function due to CKD being potentially triggered by FQ use later down the line ( & many allopathic drugs can actually cause damage to our kidneys ) due to the VERY important fact, mentioned above, that CKD often has NO noticeable/ visible symptoms until it is quite advanced, & this loss of function is NOT recoverable. Because of this fact, even if kidneys when first tested are found not to be impaired from FQ use, I personally feel it is very important to then keep an eye on them .
I would also advise when starting down the magnesium route, as with any new protocol, to start off slowly, as what can help one person or even many people, can actually hurt others . Magnesium is certainly not tolerated by everyone, It is certainly NOT something that agrees with me.
http://www.naturalnews.com/038713_kidney_disease_magnesium_nutrition.html
I am saddened to let you all know that “Destruida” has passed. I know that she helped many of you through FQ toxicity. She generously offered her time and advice to many. She was a powerful advocate for victims of fluoroquinolones. In her non-FQ-related-life, she also loved animals and spent much of her time rescuing abandoned and hurt animals. My condolences to all of her loved ones.
Any floxies out there had dental work with Septocaine? Any side effects? I’m having a tooth extracted, and this is what the dentist uses: Septocaine – 4%. Little nervous about having it done. I was floxed 4 yrs & 4 months ago.
OK, I am in the middle of writing an Avazz campaign petition. IT is asking for a picture…anyone??? something that really captures the devastation of this crap
OK everyone, I got the ok from the owner of the Myth of FLoxing photo (unfortunately only a small part fit in the space provided.) But I created an Avaaz petition. PLEASE SIGN everyone, and Lisa, if you have a way of sharing it with the FB fluoroquinolone site, or any other sites you are involved with? Thanks.
https://secure.avaaz.org/en/petition/Congress_of_the_United_States_the_World_Court_in_Hague_Limit_the_Use_of_Fluorquinolone_Antibiotics_to_LifeDeath_Situatio/?cvrCmcb
I highly recommend Jigsaw Health supplements. They have sustained release technology (SRT) where you can take high doses and it is distributed to your body over the course of 8 hours. I take 4,000mgs in the morning of Magnesium and Vitamin C, and another 4,000 at dinnertime. This ensures that these crucial nutrients are in your body constantly.
Well, I am disappointed to say that so far there are only 16 signatures on the petition. PLEASE if you haven’t signed, please do so. THE ONLY WAY things are going to change is if we keep our voices being heard. I am sure no one would wish what happened to them on another soul, and if we keep making noise at some point this travesty will end. Please sign, not only to keep other from this nightmare, but also for vindication to all those doctors who said it was all in your head, or it couldn’t possibly be the cipro/levaquin/avelox….
https://secure.avaaz.org/en/petition/Congress_of_the_United_States_the_World_Court_in_Hague_Limit_the_Use_of_Fluorquinolone_Antibiotics_to_LifeDeath_Situatio/?cvrCmcb
Hi everyone, sorry to bother you all. I know you cannot give medical advice. But I need help. I can’t sleep. I have taken one sleeping pill for each of the last two nights. They don’t get me through the night. I am so wired, is there a safe sedative I can take? My parents are close to taking me to the hospital where they will just give me anything. I am desperate and scared. How can I help my CNS calm down. Is there a safe sleeping pill. I have taken two Zopiclone. What do I say at the hospital about sedatives.
Zopiclone is a nonbenzodiazipine also. Should I avoid pills? What if I need something. Do any of you know a Doctor who I can phone who understands This problem. It is almost six weeks since I stopped the course of cipro. I took it for two weeks. Did you guys suffer insomnia. I will be blunt how did you cope with the panics.
Thank you all again
Hi Richard,
please try not panic about the insomnia situation this is so very common in us , to feel like we are extremely wired, to feel like we are overdosed on caffeine 24/7 to not be able to sleep. I have not not been able to sleep myself for more than 3-4 hours for a very long time myself. Please just be very careful going the hospital, all they can do is to prescribe more drugs for you, probably psychotropic drugs for this, & please keep in mind we can often have a problem metabolising many allopathic drugs due to the FQs inhibition of the Liver P 450 enzyme pathway.
Personally, I have gone many days without sleeping before, but eventually I do crash & sleep ( albeit for only 3-4 hours ) every single time. This is something SO many of us experience, I have been in this weird world we inhabit long enough to know that this situation is so very common for so many of us. Despite all this i am still here, & still functioning, despite being unable to sleep for days on end every so often, & apart from this no more than 3-4 hours a night & after 26 years after being multiply floxed . It is something I eventually got used to & now even seems normal for me. Please, although it is hard I know not to do so , try not to panic about your insomnia situation, it will just make things feel even more awful for you.
What have you tried so far in the above tips posted ?
Allopathic Drs I feel are not the answer here for our type of insomnia situation, sleeping tablets actually stopped working completely for me after my most damaging floxing I feel our insomnia is different than what is considered by allopathic Drs usual insomnia. So I was wondering, have you looked into finding an alternative Dr for this particular problem ?