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Bruce Brannan
8 years ago
In December I visited a NP who had no experience with FQT but did give me some good advice on supplements and iodine. He also suggested an 8 day bowel detox program that uses a formula of herbs(heavy in garlic) and colonics. This can be done with a regular diet or can be done with a juicing diet. This is supposed to cleanse the bowel and colon. He states the intestinal formula can remove chemotherapy drugs, radiation and pharmaceutical residue of over 4000 drugs. I have been getting better but have done nothing but supplements since my floxing. Any suggestions or advice would be appreciated.
Mike
8 years ago
So you feel like the intestinal formula helped you Bruce? If so I would like to get that protocol.
Ryan, So your knees are better? Are you glad you got the surgeries now? Are you able to be active??
Divalent/Trivalent Cations: FQ’s form metal complexes due to their capacity to bind metal ions such as divalent and trivalent cations (Ca, Mg, Mn, Ni, Cu, Zn, Fe, Co, Al, etc.). A major ongoing hypothesis of FQ Toxicity is that FQ’s are complexing with these cations, leading to a systemic deficit and/or loss of homeostasis of important minerals and trace minerals necessary for function (and/or, people with existing low Ca/Mg/mineral status are more susceptible to FQT). Magnesium deficit and homeostasis disruption has been a major ongoing hypothesis of FQT, with numerous studies substantiating this. Low Ca and Mg status, along with high PTH levels, can result in recognizable FQT neurological symptoms, as well as tendon ruptures (see “The Parathyroid Glands and Calcium Homeostasis” below). Ca and Mg homeostasis are extremely important for regulating acetylcholine function as well, which also could easily participate in FQT neurological symptoms (here and here). Magnesium is extremely important, known to be utilized in over 300 enzymatic reactions in the body. Virtually all enzymes required for DNA synthesis and repair require Mg, and this includes the topoisomerases that the FQ’s target. This, more than anything else, can easily explain why the damage can be so severe, and ultimately, permanent, for some FQT victims. Tyrosine kinases, extremely important in cell signaling processes, also require divalent cations, with Mg being a major one (see “The Magnesium Connection” in TKI’s: An Existing Example of Chemotherapeutic Drug Induced Acute, Delayed, and Permanent Thyroid Problems. Can FQ’s Act as TKI’s?). Although Mg and Ca have been the main focus of suspected FQT, I suspect that many minerals and trace minerals may potentially be affected. Manganese in particular can sometimes be used as effectively or more so in some enzymatic reactions that utilize magnesium, and manganese toxicity can result in Parkinsonion-like tremors. Iron is extremely important in heme based enzymes, which happen to include TPO, MPO, EPO, LPO, etc. For my purposes here, I question whether Selenium and Iodine should be on the list. Iodine can assume positive oxidation states. As to how common these states are in the body, or how likely FQ’s are to affect iodine directly, I don’t know. However, my entire website is about how I believe Cipro affected my TH and Iodine metabolism and homeostasis, with iodine itself being a major player. Inhibition of tyrosine kinases and phosphatases also appears to be a potential mechanism of NIS regulation, so that could be another possibility. Homeostasis of minerals and trace minerals could be disrupted by any number of mechanisms; for example, if receptors or transporters for these are damaged directly in somatic cells or mitochondria, cellular or mitochondrial membranes are damaged, or genomic damage/mutations for these occurs. I’ve even questioned whether or not allergenic or autoimmune responses could develop to metal cofactors, alone or in specific proteins. Nickel allergies exist; what the specific mechanism for that is, I’m not sure, but could the same occur with Mg, for example? I would imagine DNA strand breaks with FQ-Mg-tyrosine residues “waving in the breeze” on the ends of those breaks, would be a strong signal or target for the “clean up crew” — inflammatory and immune cells. This FQ-Mg-tyrosine foreign wad could possibly become highly antigenic when cell or mitochondrial death occurs, perhaps resulting in specific Mg-tyrosine residues eventually becoming antigenic targets as well. I don’t know — but it’s a thought. Many drugs can complex with metal ions; for example, the antibiotic doxycycline also chelates Ca and Mg, which could also result in a systemic deficit. Yet, it does not cause the extreme tendon pain or the same “syndrome” that the FQ’s do. This is one reason why I feel the “Mg-Tyrosine” combination, important in so many replication, signaling, and receptor processes, may be a target, and not just the loss of Ca or Mg itself.
“The Tyrosine Connection”: During my research, it often seemed like “all roads lead to tyrosine”. It has a unique role in cell signaling processes due to its phenol functionality. Obvious connections here are its role in TH synthesis and metabolism, as a precursor to neurotransmitters (dopamine and catecholamines such as norepinephrine and epinephrine), and as precursors to CoEnzymeQ synthesis and melanin pigment synthesis. I include Tyramine (and its relationship to MAO) here as well. Tyrosine also appears to play a specialized role in higher order structure and function of the collagen triple helix via telopeptides. Tyrosine transporters also play a role in metal ion homeostasis and toxicity. Membrane proteins, which are the targets of over 50% of modern pharmaceutical drugs, show an astounding accumulation of tyrosine and tryptophan residues, which appear to perform vital anti-oxidant functions and protect cells from oxidative destruction, as well as enhance membrane stabilization. Tyrosine, tyrosyl residues, and phosphotyrosyl bonds are important structural and functional moieties for innumerable processes throughout the body. Because of the aromatic nature of FQ’s and the symptomatology which often occurs in FQ victims, I question whether FQ’s might be acting as a structural analog or inhibitor of receptors, transporters, or in other binding processes involving aromatic amino acids. The 4-Quinolone Quorum Sensing molecules that bacteria produce are described as “hormone-like” and production is highly affected by the aromatic amino acids in the nutritional environment, as discussed in this most interesting paper here. In my opinion, this further strengthens the link between aromatic AA’s such as tyrosine and FQ’s. FQ’s bind close to a functionally important and crucial tyrosine residue in the enzymes they target, and I question whether they are targeting additional enzymes and receptors with similar functionally important tyrosine residues, especially where Mg++ is a cofactor. Anything that affects tyrosine metabolism could potentially affect any structural, receptor, enzymatic, cell signaling or signal transduction reaction tyrosine is crucial for. See References 8 and Additional 8A.
Ryan L
8 years ago
Like most of you, I’m on a quest to examine every aspect of my health in order to correct new and pre-existing conditions. In analyzing my daily activity, I realized that I’ve never taken that much time to consider what’s in my deodorant/antiperspirant. After doing some research, I learned about some toxic chemicals that are found in many brand name products that a lot of us may be exposing ourselves to everyday without second thought. To me, switching to a safer deodorant seems like an easy change that most people can make without breaking the bank. To help you all out, I’ve copied a link to an article below that discusses the top 7 bad chemicals found in many deodorants/antiperspirants. I’ve also included their breakdown of each bad ingredient below.
1. Parabens
(methyl, ethyl, propyl, benzyl and butyl)
Parabens are a very common ingredient that are found in every day cosmetic products and your deodorant as well. You may have seen “paraben free” labels, and it’s a good thing. So why is everyone so down on parabens after it has been used for nearly 70 years? During a study done in 2004, parabens have been linked to breast cancer. They are said to disturb the body’s hormonal balance and to mimic estrogen, as estrogen is said to play a part in breast cancer formation.
2. Aluminum compounds
(Aluminum chlorohydrate, aluminum zirconium tetrachlorohydrex gly)
Aluminum compounds within deodorants act as a plug within the sweat ducts and temporarily stop the flow of sweat. However, these compounds can be absorbed by your skin. Just as the parabens, these compounds can mimic estrogen, which promote growth of breast cancer cells.
3. Silica
Silica is a known skin irritant, it may also be contaminated with crystalline quartz which is a carcinogen (capable of causing cancer).
4. Triclosan
Triclosan is another ingredient that can irritate your skin and cause contact dermatitis. Your body contains good as well as bad bacteria, but triclosan kills both. The FDA classifies triclosan as a pesticide, while the IARC has it listed as a possible carcinogen.
5. Talc
IARC, claims that if Talc contains asbestiform fibers, then it is considered a carcinogen. The quantity of sbestiform fibers in deodorants is unclear as it is not regulated in cosmetic products.
6. Propylene Glycol
Propylene glycol is another common ingredient with health hazards. It may cause delayed allergic reactions, and is considered a neurotoxin, which may cause kidney and liver damage.
7. Steareth-n
The “n” stands for a number. So the label may say for example, steareth-1. It is actually derived from vegetables, but it is reacted with a known carcinogen, ethylene oxide.
Other ingredients to avoid:
Fragrance – skin irritation, harmful to the environment, allergies and organ system toxicity.
Deodorants to Avoid:
Most common deodorants on the shelves like Axe, Secret, Old Spice, Dove, Right Guard typically contain at least one of these ingredients.
I would also recommend staying away from antiperspirants, as perspiring is one of the ways the body naturally detoxes.
Next, since deodorant brands usually have more than one product in their line, I can’t really recommend any specific brands (I’m still searching myself). However, I’m going to begin trying “Tom’s long lasting men’s” which I found at my local Rite aid store. It has a fragrance, but I can’t really smell it compared to other products I looked at. Here’s a link to what it looks like: http://www.tomsofmainestore.com/product/long-lasting-mens-mountain-spring
Finally, it may be even better to avoid deodorant all together when you are able to do so.
K
8 years ago
Hi,
Posted on here a few days ago, the Cipro has upset the balance of my (male) estrogen metabolism by inhibiting enzyme CYP1A2 – this did not recover when I stopped two weeks ago and nothing seems to be changing evidence by an “estrogen rash” on my chest and an insatiable thirst along with increased belly fat (water retention).
Does anyone has a POV an when I might see some improvement – I also have knee twinges but its the Estrogen that’s getting to me right now and I am hugely depressed with it all which is weird because I’m not actually that ill right now…..
Many thanks,
Kevin
SusanG
8 years ago
Hi everyone. Did your symptoms get better/worse throughout the day and from one day to another? That’s what I’m experiencing. I was ok in the morning and fell really bad now. Also my symptoms always are gone in the evening and night. Any ideas? Thank u.
Angie A.
8 years ago
Oh and I just have to add that I’ve recently (last couple days) started taking Cell Food again in my water.. and I’ve noticed significant improvement. Could be coincidence but maybe not.. read somewhere that someone with tendonitis was using it very successfully..so maybe worth a try. Just a few drops in your water.. 1 drop per oz. Certainly no bad side effects, I’ve taken it for years..so just throwing that out there for anyone interested.
SusanG
8 years ago
Anyone here know about plexus probio 5 dietary supplement. I read that it really helps with leaky gut but not sure if this is a scam or for real. Thank u.
Linda
8 years ago
Cindy—it just dawned on me,. There is genetic DNA testing through 23andme—but it doesn’t tell you if you DNA is broken. It gives you info on certain genetic markers your have
I was floxed in January this year, and now I feel like 90% recovered, some musculoskeletal issues are still here but there is a hope 🙂 And without taking any extra supplements (except Mg oil) 😉 You will get better!
F
8 years ago
Anyone have cracked skin on the heels of your feet from neuropathy? I could use some advice. Thank you all!
Is it possible for FQ’s to mimic symptoms of peripheal neuropathy? It seems lots of floxies heal from this , whereas when I read about true PN (diabetics, etc) it seems it only gets worse…
Well that’s too bad…floxies usually have “idiopathic” neurapothy, meaning unknown cause. If that’s the case, all we can do is take ala, evening primrose, vitamin b12 and hope for a miracle 🙁
Paul
8 years ago
All I have to say is “CORRUPT”! the only reason any of us were allowed to consume a FQ to begin with is because our world is corrupt. We can thank the Big Pharmaceutical Companies Lobbyist that pay off our corrupt politicians in Washington with money, votes, and fringe benefits to turn their heads while millions of people need to suffer. Our politicians seriously don’t really care about you, me our children, spouses, parents or anyone (the peasants) just as long as they can continue riding the gravy train and the FDA is as corrupt as the rest of them. They try to appease us by throwing a “Black Box Warning” on the meds but they know that wont stop all these ignorant doctors to continue throwing down our thoughts especially when the fancy drug salesmen come in and offer more corrupt perks if they push there poison. They create these poisons but where are they all to help us with a cure? Where’s the research to help us? You think that “we the people” are going to vote for our next president? Sorry, the so called Democrat & Republican establishments and their lobbyist will be the ones that ultimately will do that for us. This is wye certain Presidential candidates that don’t have “Super Delegates, are self funded, or go against the grain of the establishment will have a very difficult time becoming president. They will not allow the ignorant peasants (we the people) to ruin a good thing. Sorry I had to go on like that but I’m f’n irate that my life and my families lives has been so altered by corruption! God have mercy on their souls!
Paul
8 years ago
opps, I meant throats not thoughts. 🙂
Paul
8 years ago
I’m going to a NP today for my free 15 minute consultation. What article would best explain FQT so I can bring here up to speed. I’m five years into this and probably I know more about this then she does although I don’t think I know much.
Mike
8 years ago
I couldn’t agree more Paul.
Regina
8 years ago
Hi everyone, Just curious does anyone have belching problems? Anything I eat causes me major belching. I never had this problem until I was floxed. I have had every test known to man for GI issues and it all comes back normal. I am so fed up I don’t know what to do. 🙁
I think that if I hear from anyone else who has these problems it may help me cope.
Gina
PS. I also sometimes have swallowing problems
Michael
8 years ago
Hi, I have never taken levofloxacin but my wife is starting a 7-day dose of 750mg due to some severe respiratory issues and we have been researching it. Apparently many of the problems being reported are caused by damage to the mitochondria and loss of the total number of mitochondria due to that damage. This is a known issue in aging where, as you age, you lose mitochondria. Your “age” can actually be predicted by the number of mitochondria remaining in your cells. There are several ways to increase the number of mitochondria. One is intense exercise – which may not be effective here. However, there is a nutritional supplement – PQQ – that causes mitochondrial biogenesis, i.e. it increases the number of mitochondria. Just search Google for “PQQ”. It is not very expensive and may help. Here is a link to an article in the Life Extension Magazine that gives more details – http://www.lifeextension.com/magazine/2011/2/Generate-Fresh-Mitochondria-with-PQQ/Page-01. This is a supplement that I take on regular basis for anti-aging. I don’t know if it will help those who have been “floxed” but it certainly something that I would try. I am going to recommend to my wife that she take PQQ concurrently with the levofloxacin (at a 12-hour offset). Please note that since this is a supplement, MDs who are neither life extension physician nor an orthomolecular physician do not know anything about supplements as a general rule.
Regina
8 years ago
Angie and Linda thanks for the replies…I will try some probiotics I am not sure what Betaine HCL is but will definitely google it! 🙂
In December I visited a NP who had no experience with FQT but did give me some good advice on supplements and iodine. He also suggested an 8 day bowel detox program that uses a formula of herbs(heavy in garlic) and colonics. This can be done with a regular diet or can be done with a juicing diet. This is supposed to cleanse the bowel and colon. He states the intestinal formula can remove chemotherapy drugs, radiation and pharmaceutical residue of over 4000 drugs. I have been getting better but have done nothing but supplements since my floxing. Any suggestions or advice would be appreciated.
So you feel like the intestinal formula helped you Bruce? If so I would like to get that protocol.
Ryan, So your knees are better? Are you glad you got the surgeries now? Are you able to be active??
Someone was asking for information about FQs depleting magnesium. Sorry, I don’t recall the comment right now. Anyhow, here’s some good information from http://fluoroquinolonethyroid.com/book_page/additional-mechanisms-to-consider/:
Divalent/Trivalent Cations: FQ’s form metal complexes due to their capacity to bind metal ions such as divalent and trivalent cations (Ca, Mg, Mn, Ni, Cu, Zn, Fe, Co, Al, etc.). A major ongoing hypothesis of FQ Toxicity is that FQ’s are complexing with these cations, leading to a systemic deficit and/or loss of homeostasis of important minerals and trace minerals necessary for function (and/or, people with existing low Ca/Mg/mineral status are more susceptible to FQT). Magnesium deficit and homeostasis disruption has been a major ongoing hypothesis of FQT, with numerous studies substantiating this. Low Ca and Mg status, along with high PTH levels, can result in recognizable FQT neurological symptoms, as well as tendon ruptures (see “The Parathyroid Glands and Calcium Homeostasis” below). Ca and Mg homeostasis are extremely important for regulating acetylcholine function as well, which also could easily participate in FQT neurological symptoms (here and here). Magnesium is extremely important, known to be utilized in over 300 enzymatic reactions in the body. Virtually all enzymes required for DNA synthesis and repair require Mg, and this includes the topoisomerases that the FQ’s target. This, more than anything else, can easily explain why the damage can be so severe, and ultimately, permanent, for some FQT victims. Tyrosine kinases, extremely important in cell signaling processes, also require divalent cations, with Mg being a major one (see “The Magnesium Connection” in TKI’s: An Existing Example of Chemotherapeutic Drug Induced Acute, Delayed, and Permanent Thyroid Problems. Can FQ’s Act as TKI’s?). Although Mg and Ca have been the main focus of suspected FQT, I suspect that many minerals and trace minerals may potentially be affected. Manganese in particular can sometimes be used as effectively or more so in some enzymatic reactions that utilize magnesium, and manganese toxicity can result in Parkinsonion-like tremors. Iron is extremely important in heme based enzymes, which happen to include TPO, MPO, EPO, LPO, etc. For my purposes here, I question whether Selenium and Iodine should be on the list. Iodine can assume positive oxidation states. As to how common these states are in the body, or how likely FQ’s are to affect iodine directly, I don’t know. However, my entire website is about how I believe Cipro affected my TH and Iodine metabolism and homeostasis, with iodine itself being a major player. Inhibition of tyrosine kinases and phosphatases also appears to be a potential mechanism of NIS regulation, so that could be another possibility. Homeostasis of minerals and trace minerals could be disrupted by any number of mechanisms; for example, if receptors or transporters for these are damaged directly in somatic cells or mitochondria, cellular or mitochondrial membranes are damaged, or genomic damage/mutations for these occurs. I’ve even questioned whether or not allergenic or autoimmune responses could develop to metal cofactors, alone or in specific proteins. Nickel allergies exist; what the specific mechanism for that is, I’m not sure, but could the same occur with Mg, for example? I would imagine DNA strand breaks with FQ-Mg-tyrosine residues “waving in the breeze” on the ends of those breaks, would be a strong signal or target for the “clean up crew” — inflammatory and immune cells. This FQ-Mg-tyrosine foreign wad could possibly become highly antigenic when cell or mitochondrial death occurs, perhaps resulting in specific Mg-tyrosine residues eventually becoming antigenic targets as well. I don’t know — but it’s a thought. Many drugs can complex with metal ions; for example, the antibiotic doxycycline also chelates Ca and Mg, which could also result in a systemic deficit. Yet, it does not cause the extreme tendon pain or the same “syndrome” that the FQ’s do. This is one reason why I feel the “Mg-Tyrosine” combination, important in so many replication, signaling, and receptor processes, may be a target, and not just the loss of Ca or Mg itself.
“The Tyrosine Connection”: During my research, it often seemed like “all roads lead to tyrosine”. It has a unique role in cell signaling processes due to its phenol functionality. Obvious connections here are its role in TH synthesis and metabolism, as a precursor to neurotransmitters (dopamine and catecholamines such as norepinephrine and epinephrine), and as precursors to CoEnzymeQ synthesis and melanin pigment synthesis. I include Tyramine (and its relationship to MAO) here as well. Tyrosine also appears to play a specialized role in higher order structure and function of the collagen triple helix via telopeptides. Tyrosine transporters also play a role in metal ion homeostasis and toxicity. Membrane proteins, which are the targets of over 50% of modern pharmaceutical drugs, show an astounding accumulation of tyrosine and tryptophan residues, which appear to perform vital anti-oxidant functions and protect cells from oxidative destruction, as well as enhance membrane stabilization. Tyrosine, tyrosyl residues, and phosphotyrosyl bonds are important structural and functional moieties for innumerable processes throughout the body. Because of the aromatic nature of FQ’s and the symptomatology which often occurs in FQ victims, I question whether FQ’s might be acting as a structural analog or inhibitor of receptors, transporters, or in other binding processes involving aromatic amino acids. The 4-Quinolone Quorum Sensing molecules that bacteria produce are described as “hormone-like” and production is highly affected by the aromatic amino acids in the nutritional environment, as discussed in this most interesting paper here. In my opinion, this further strengthens the link between aromatic AA’s such as tyrosine and FQ’s. FQ’s bind close to a functionally important and crucial tyrosine residue in the enzymes they target, and I question whether they are targeting additional enzymes and receptors with similar functionally important tyrosine residues, especially where Mg++ is a cofactor. Anything that affects tyrosine metabolism could potentially affect any structural, receptor, enzymatic, cell signaling or signal transduction reaction tyrosine is crucial for. See References 8 and Additional 8A.
Like most of you, I’m on a quest to examine every aspect of my health in order to correct new and pre-existing conditions. In analyzing my daily activity, I realized that I’ve never taken that much time to consider what’s in my deodorant/antiperspirant. After doing some research, I learned about some toxic chemicals that are found in many brand name products that a lot of us may be exposing ourselves to everyday without second thought. To me, switching to a safer deodorant seems like an easy change that most people can make without breaking the bank. To help you all out, I’ve copied a link to an article below that discusses the top 7 bad chemicals found in many deodorants/antiperspirants. I’ve also included their breakdown of each bad ingredient below.
http://organics.org/7-harmful-ingredients-in-your-deodorant/
1. Parabens
(methyl, ethyl, propyl, benzyl and butyl)
Parabens are a very common ingredient that are found in every day cosmetic products and your deodorant as well. You may have seen “paraben free” labels, and it’s a good thing. So why is everyone so down on parabens after it has been used for nearly 70 years? During a study done in 2004, parabens have been linked to breast cancer. They are said to disturb the body’s hormonal balance and to mimic estrogen, as estrogen is said to play a part in breast cancer formation.
2. Aluminum compounds
(Aluminum chlorohydrate, aluminum zirconium tetrachlorohydrex gly)
Aluminum compounds within deodorants act as a plug within the sweat ducts and temporarily stop the flow of sweat. However, these compounds can be absorbed by your skin. Just as the parabens, these compounds can mimic estrogen, which promote growth of breast cancer cells.
3. Silica
Silica is a known skin irritant, it may also be contaminated with crystalline quartz which is a carcinogen (capable of causing cancer).
4. Triclosan
Triclosan is another ingredient that can irritate your skin and cause contact dermatitis. Your body contains good as well as bad bacteria, but triclosan kills both. The FDA classifies triclosan as a pesticide, while the IARC has it listed as a possible carcinogen.
5. Talc
IARC, claims that if Talc contains asbestiform fibers, then it is considered a carcinogen. The quantity of sbestiform fibers in deodorants is unclear as it is not regulated in cosmetic products.
6. Propylene Glycol
Propylene glycol is another common ingredient with health hazards. It may cause delayed allergic reactions, and is considered a neurotoxin, which may cause kidney and liver damage.
7. Steareth-n
The “n” stands for a number. So the label may say for example, steareth-1. It is actually derived from vegetables, but it is reacted with a known carcinogen, ethylene oxide.
Other ingredients to avoid:
Fragrance – skin irritation, harmful to the environment, allergies and organ system toxicity.
Deodorants to Avoid:
Most common deodorants on the shelves like Axe, Secret, Old Spice, Dove, Right Guard typically contain at least one of these ingredients.
I would also recommend staying away from antiperspirants, as perspiring is one of the ways the body naturally detoxes.
Next, since deodorant brands usually have more than one product in their line, I can’t really recommend any specific brands (I’m still searching myself). However, I’m going to begin trying “Tom’s long lasting men’s” which I found at my local Rite aid store. It has a fragrance, but I can’t really smell it compared to other products I looked at. Here’s a link to what it looks like:
http://www.tomsofmainestore.com/product/long-lasting-mens-mountain-spring
Finally, it may be even better to avoid deodorant all together when you are able to do so.
Hi,
Posted on here a few days ago, the Cipro has upset the balance of my (male) estrogen metabolism by inhibiting enzyme CYP1A2 – this did not recover when I stopped two weeks ago and nothing seems to be changing evidence by an “estrogen rash” on my chest and an insatiable thirst along with increased belly fat (water retention).
Does anyone has a POV an when I might see some improvement – I also have knee twinges but its the Estrogen that’s getting to me right now and I am hugely depressed with it all which is weird because I’m not actually that ill right now…..
Many thanks,
Kevin
Hi everyone. Did your symptoms get better/worse throughout the day and from one day to another? That’s what I’m experiencing. I was ok in the morning and fell really bad now. Also my symptoms always are gone in the evening and night. Any ideas? Thank u.
Oh and I just have to add that I’ve recently (last couple days) started taking Cell Food again in my water.. and I’ve noticed significant improvement. Could be coincidence but maybe not.. read somewhere that someone with tendonitis was using it very successfully..so maybe worth a try. Just a few drops in your water.. 1 drop per oz. Certainly no bad side effects, I’ve taken it for years..so just throwing that out there for anyone interested.
Anyone here know about plexus probio 5 dietary supplement. I read that it really helps with leaky gut but not sure if this is a scam or for real. Thank u.
Cindy—it just dawned on me,. There is genetic DNA testing through 23andme—but it doesn’t tell you if you DNA is broken. It gives you info on certain genetic markers your have
I was floxed in January this year, and now I feel like 90% recovered, some musculoskeletal issues are still here but there is a hope 🙂 And without taking any extra supplements (except Mg oil) 😉 You will get better!
Anyone have cracked skin on the heels of your feet from neuropathy? I could use some advice. Thank you all!
Is it possible for FQ’s to mimic symptoms of peripheal neuropathy? It seems lots of floxies heal from this , whereas when I read about true PN (diabetics, etc) it seems it only gets worse…
Well that’s too bad…floxies usually have “idiopathic” neurapothy, meaning unknown cause. If that’s the case, all we can do is take ala, evening primrose, vitamin b12 and hope for a miracle 🙁
All I have to say is “CORRUPT”! the only reason any of us were allowed to consume a FQ to begin with is because our world is corrupt. We can thank the Big Pharmaceutical Companies Lobbyist that pay off our corrupt politicians in Washington with money, votes, and fringe benefits to turn their heads while millions of people need to suffer. Our politicians seriously don’t really care about you, me our children, spouses, parents or anyone (the peasants) just as long as they can continue riding the gravy train and the FDA is as corrupt as the rest of them. They try to appease us by throwing a “Black Box Warning” on the meds but they know that wont stop all these ignorant doctors to continue throwing down our thoughts especially when the fancy drug salesmen come in and offer more corrupt perks if they push there poison. They create these poisons but where are they all to help us with a cure? Where’s the research to help us? You think that “we the people” are going to vote for our next president? Sorry, the so called Democrat & Republican establishments and their lobbyist will be the ones that ultimately will do that for us. This is wye certain Presidential candidates that don’t have “Super Delegates, are self funded, or go against the grain of the establishment will have a very difficult time becoming president. They will not allow the ignorant peasants (we the people) to ruin a good thing. Sorry I had to go on like that but I’m f’n irate that my life and my families lives has been so altered by corruption! God have mercy on their souls!
opps, I meant throats not thoughts. 🙂
I’m going to a NP today for my free 15 minute consultation. What article would best explain FQT so I can bring here up to speed. I’m five years into this and probably I know more about this then she does although I don’t think I know much.
I couldn’t agree more Paul.
Hi everyone, Just curious does anyone have belching problems? Anything I eat causes me major belching. I never had this problem until I was floxed. I have had every test known to man for GI issues and it all comes back normal. I am so fed up I don’t know what to do. 🙁
I think that if I hear from anyone else who has these problems it may help me cope.
Gina
PS. I also sometimes have swallowing problems
Hi, I have never taken levofloxacin but my wife is starting a 7-day dose of 750mg due to some severe respiratory issues and we have been researching it. Apparently many of the problems being reported are caused by damage to the mitochondria and loss of the total number of mitochondria due to that damage. This is a known issue in aging where, as you age, you lose mitochondria. Your “age” can actually be predicted by the number of mitochondria remaining in your cells. There are several ways to increase the number of mitochondria. One is intense exercise – which may not be effective here. However, there is a nutritional supplement – PQQ – that causes mitochondrial biogenesis, i.e. it increases the number of mitochondria. Just search Google for “PQQ”. It is not very expensive and may help. Here is a link to an article in the Life Extension Magazine that gives more details – http://www.lifeextension.com/magazine/2011/2/Generate-Fresh-Mitochondria-with-PQQ/Page-01. This is a supplement that I take on regular basis for anti-aging. I don’t know if it will help those who have been “floxed” but it certainly something that I would try. I am going to recommend to my wife that she take PQQ concurrently with the levofloxacin (at a 12-hour offset). Please note that since this is a supplement, MDs who are neither life extension physician nor an orthomolecular physician do not know anything about supplements as a general rule.
Angie and Linda thanks for the replies…I will try some probiotics I am not sure what Betaine HCL is but will definitely google it! 🙂