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Debs
8 years ago
Indeed , to me it also makes no sense whatsoever to add more poison to an already seriously toxic systemically poisoned body & brain if you CAN potentially avoid doing so.
ALL allopathic drugs are poisons , many of them as with the FQs damage mitochondria , many allopathic drugs are also fluorinated, which then enhances the bioavailabilty of the active ingredient /s, allows the active ingredient/s into places they have not been before, & they are just not meant to go.
NOBODY has studied how multiple drugs taken concurrently interact in the human body, & in those who are not healthy in clinical trials the RAW data, ( i.e. the serious harms which happen to those who take part in the clinical trials from these various allopathic poisons is also withheld & locked up in Big Pharmas corrupted vaults, out of reach from the medical profession, & patients ). The clinical trials are very short , however we then often take those drugs for months, for years on end, even for life, & nobody has studied that either
As a result , we actually only know around half of the potential ‘ side effects’ of those drugs when they then hit the market, & then playing Russian roulette as we go, popping those pills day after day as we go, ‘ we the people’ are the 4th phase of those clinical trials.
Knowing what I know now, I personally would only ever take an allopathic drug if I literally had no choice in the matter, for instance if their was NO effective natural treatment . or for example as I have to in the case of pain relief , with the extreme severity of pain I experience, I have to take it, because I need it to literally function, to physically have at least some kind of life, rather than to just literally exist in a haze of agony, lying curled up in a ball on the floor, & for me this includes both prescription & OTC allopathic drugs.
There are many natural alternatives for various health situations, the problem is, that as well as us having been indoctrinated since the moment that we can understand language the myth that our Drs follow a sacred oath to do no harm EVER to their patients , we are also virtually brainwashed into also believing another, the one that convinces us allopathic drugs actually heal.
With just a few exceptions, this is just actually NOT the case. & people need to understand this .
Allopathic drugs are DEVELOPED to control symptoms, & to actually CREATE ‘ side effects’ in people, which our Drs are taught by Big Pharma from the first day they start their training in medical school are symptoms of new diseases/ conditions, which then can be treated with MORE poison.
The majority of these ‘side effects’ they actually do NOT occur by accident , but they are often there by design.
The pharmaceutical industry is first & foremost an investment business , their first responsibility is NOT to patients , but instead to make as much profit for their shareholders as humanely possible in ANY way they can, & sod what happens along the way to those of us who take them … we who are suffering iatrogenic injury from their many poisons are simply looked on as future cash cows.
They make untold amounts of profit from the additional allopathic drugs Drs then prescribe to treat the ‘ side effects ‘ of the original drug, & on & on ad infinitum
Please understand that allopathic drugs invariably harm at some level when they are taken. As far as true healing goes, the natural original source of that synthetic poison is much more powerful, & it is from this original source, nature, where they developed these poisons from. They just do NOT want either our Drs, or ‘ we the people ‘ to realise this truth. And this for example is why those of us who heal ourselves in ways other than allopathic drugs are just simply ignored & not counted in the statistics, & also why anything natural that truly heals is quickly shut down, ( often unfortunately along with the Drs involved with it ), & as quickly as possible hidden from us.
Please research, & learn the full history of allopathic medicine, please do NOT continue to fall for this ongoing crime against humanity.
Jane
8 years ago
If it weren’t for this site I’d probably be questioning myself like I think the docs are. I saw a rheumatologist and immunologist recently, both with a PhD, who said my tests are normal. They literally had no advice other than they can’t explain it. I feel like giving up on trying to get any more help since they don’t seem to believe me. I’m trying to accept the fact that it really must be from the the meds & not an actual disease that I have. This isn’t easy because the symptoms I have now feel the same as back when I really did have an infection. Have others here gotten the same blank stares from docs and still feel the strong need to have the symptoms acknowledged and diagnosed as something? Thanks
Andy P
8 years ago
I just had a mitochondria function blood test which shows significant damage to my mito,I am not utilizing magnesium and my enzymes are very low causing detoxifying problems
it has not damaged my dna that came out normal,my b3 is very low
most of my symptoms make sense to me now
cipropolfloxed
8 years ago
I have read pl lyme disase forum lately.
People eat fluoroquinolones like cipro, levoxa all the time
In pulses (3 months levoxa, 1 month break, 3 months levoxa,
1 month break … and again), and eat this drugs, this poison
few years … and nothing wrong then.
After few years of lyme they feel healthy.
How to explain this paradox? Its strange!
One people is poisoned after 1 dose, and others eat this fq drug
Few years with no side effects, none!
Maybe indeed fq side effects are extremely rare, case 1:1000 000.
Penicyline can affect steven johnson syndrome and dead case 1:1000 000.
All drugs are dangerous, death risk.
Penn
8 years ago
Andy
What are the exact names of the tests
Penn
8 years ago
Ciprofloxed
I had one bag in ER. That’s all.
Ryan L
8 years ago
I think the test Andy P is referring to above is called the “Mitochondrial Function Profile,” which is done in the UK. Below is some information I found on it (I’ve included a link as well). Andy, if this is the test you took, please confirm that with us.
“Mitochondrial function profile is made up of the following individual tests:
ATP profiles;
NAD (functional B3);
SODase;
L-carnitine;
Cell-free DNA;
Glutathione Peroxidase.
All the above tests are performed at Acumen Laboratory
Co-enzyme Q10 – this test is performed at Biolab Medical Unit
About “ATP profiles”
The most significant test in the Mitochondrial function profile is called “ATP profiles”. It was developed by Dr John McLaren-Howard. The result is made up of three elements. First of all, it measures the rate at which ATP is recycled in cells. Because production of ATP is highly dependent on magnesium status so the first part of the test studies this aspect.
The second part of the test measures the efficiency with which ATP is made from ADP. If this is abnormal, then this could be as a result of magnesium deficiency, and/or low levels of Co-enzyme Q10, and/or low levels of vitamin B3 (NAD) and/or low levels of acetyl L-carnitine.
The third possibility is that the protein which transports ATP and ADP across mitochondrial membranes is impaired and this is also measured.”
We have mitochondria tests … but how to repair mitochondria
using tests results? Ugh.
Jane
8 years ago
L,
You mention IV treatments & high dose vit. c…would vit. c supplements by themselves be helpful? I doubt I’d ever have access to IV treatments so I’m wondering…
Lee
8 years ago
I have another question does anyone get weird feelings in there head. It’s hard to explain them but they don’t hurt just feeling like something moving of pulsing and I might pass out.
Jane
8 years ago
What is anyone’s best info/advice regarding hormones affecting cycles of flares? From things I’ve read, flox meds screw hormones up in general. My levels are “normal” last they checked, but I’m wondering if the shift in hormones during each month on top of that can then trigger symptoms? Best way to try addressing it? Any and all thoughts appreciated!
Ahmdi
8 years ago
Can someone help with my some symptomes:
-Chest pain
2months ago when i’mfloxed everday 24h i have chest pain left everday everday never stopped my pain.
-My heart is not work properly
Like heart palpilations, or sometime like abnormal heart beat(sometime)
-Bad breath
Like i can’t get enough oxygen on my left side
I stopped to get supplements few days ago cuz in my country not have quality suppl, are all with sugar artificial or with bad chemicals
Like only have mg oxide not have others forms.
Any help for these symptoms?
Debs
8 years ago
The breathing issues we develop, this is very often something known as air hunger. This feels as if you cannot get enough oxygen into your lungs, or breathe deeply enough, & you can also find yourself having to concentrate on literally remembering to breathe, it is like your body has forgotten to do this automatically.
The pain in the chest ( & any new pain in the chest should always be checked out to be on the safe side imho ) this can be caused various things, but this is often related to the ribs, inflammation of the connective tissues, something known as Costochronditis.
We can also develop an issue which often feels as if we have a tight band around the chest area as if someone is squeezing us around the middle this can be a mimic ( for want of a better description ) of something known as the MS hug .
Depletion of magnesium via FQs / serious adrenal fatigue / peripheral / autominic neuropathy, the list just goes on & on, bottom line we have been systemically poisoned at a DNA/ mitochondrial level, & every organ in the body has its own way of protesting at this this horrendous injustice.
These various symptoms above, again as with so many of the others, no matter what supplements / protocols we might try, although these may help, or also potentially harm to various degrees ( & as someone who has just spent a whole year trying to recover to baseline from an ADR to an epsom salt bath ),in my experience they tend to do what they are going to do, & my own advice would be to PLEASE start ANY new supplement / protocol slowly / at a low dose at first, just to make sure you can actually tolerate it, no matter how innocuous it seems. as we are often now intolerant of SO many things.
In my own opinion & experience of being floxed no less than 7 times, & also of a long time of monitoring others experiences of floxing, I honestly feel as things stand right now, it is actually the passing of time which tends to be the biggest factor in showing how much we have been damaged, & imho it is also is the biggest factor in symptom improvement / potential resolution of these various symptoms / us eventually ( & this timeline will be totally unique to everyone ) potentially getting to a place where we might FEEL recovered .
Jane
8 years ago
Has anyone here had blood work done in the midst of an awful flare up of symptoms? I gave up on tests a while ago, but my most recent flare was so bad my doc wanted to do the basic tests. Most was normal but a couple things on the CBC were off and I’m sitting here worrying of course. Just wanted some feedback
Bruce Brannan
8 years ago
Had Laparoscopic Hernia repair where they removed old mesh and replaced with new mesh. Had Clindamycin antibiotic drip during surgery. So far everything is good.
Tom
8 years ago
Well, I think I’ve been floxed. I took 3 days’ worth of Cipro (2x 500mg per day, part of a longer course that I never finished) for a suspected prostate infection. I stopped the course early because the lab results came back that the infection probably was not bacterial, and because I started to feel muscle pain mainly in the back that I knew was not related to my prostate issue. Once I got online and read about all the possible long term side effects of Cipro, well, that was enough for me to stop. I am now 5 days “post-flox” and am concerned. The second day off the drug I woke up feeling like I’d been run over by a truck- aches all over, mainly in the back and upper legs. Third day was much better, fourth and fifth days I’m getting achy arthritis-like pains in different parts of my body, almost like a bad case of the flu but without any of the other symptoms. I count myself lucky compared to many I’ve read about here that obviously are in much worse shape, but I’m frightened now about how long this might go on, or if it will get worse, and am not sure what to do.
Catherine P
8 years ago
As well as being severely floxed I am also currently having herbal treatment for Lyme disease. For the past few weeks I have had extreme diarrhoea, nausea and vomiting and it has been suggested that I take NAC to help detox the liver. I’m not to keen on taking any more meds – does anyone know if this is safe for floxies, or can anyone recommend safer alternatives? Thanks in advance.
Amy
8 years ago
Does any of the research talk about flox meds causing cancers, leukemia, etc? I now have abnormal bloodwork that has caused the hematologist to want to do a bone marrow test…just sitting here in disbelief & of course worried. Can anyone offer info. or insight?
Amy
8 years ago
My blood work that is abnormal was only ever abnormal while I was on these meds. Never had health issues before. Now I’m off these meds & it’s still causing my platelets to dip. I’m terrified that the meds induced something serious. I don’t want a bone marrow test, I don’t want any of this. Alot of people (including family) don’t understand & think it’s just anxiety. I’m honestly sick to death of people judging when they don’t know….this sucks
Indeed , to me it also makes no sense whatsoever to add more poison to an already seriously toxic systemically poisoned body & brain if you CAN potentially avoid doing so.
ALL allopathic drugs are poisons , many of them as with the FQs damage mitochondria , many allopathic drugs are also fluorinated, which then enhances the bioavailabilty of the active ingredient /s, allows the active ingredient/s into places they have not been before, & they are just not meant to go.
NOBODY has studied how multiple drugs taken concurrently interact in the human body, & in those who are not healthy in clinical trials the RAW data, ( i.e. the serious harms which happen to those who take part in the clinical trials from these various allopathic poisons is also withheld & locked up in Big Pharmas corrupted vaults, out of reach from the medical profession, & patients ). The clinical trials are very short , however we then often take those drugs for months, for years on end, even for life, & nobody has studied that either
As a result , we actually only know around half of the potential ‘ side effects’ of those drugs when they then hit the market, & then playing Russian roulette as we go, popping those pills day after day as we go, ‘ we the people’ are the 4th phase of those clinical trials.
Knowing what I know now, I personally would only ever take an allopathic drug if I literally had no choice in the matter, for instance if their was NO effective natural treatment . or for example as I have to in the case of pain relief , with the extreme severity of pain I experience, I have to take it, because I need it to literally function, to physically have at least some kind of life, rather than to just literally exist in a haze of agony, lying curled up in a ball on the floor, & for me this includes both prescription & OTC allopathic drugs.
There are many natural alternatives for various health situations, the problem is, that as well as us having been indoctrinated since the moment that we can understand language the myth that our Drs follow a sacred oath to do no harm EVER to their patients , we are also virtually brainwashed into also believing another, the one that convinces us allopathic drugs actually heal.
With just a few exceptions, this is just actually NOT the case. & people need to understand this .
Allopathic drugs are DEVELOPED to control symptoms, & to actually CREATE ‘ side effects’ in people, which our Drs are taught by Big Pharma from the first day they start their training in medical school are symptoms of new diseases/ conditions, which then can be treated with MORE poison.
The majority of these ‘side effects’ they actually do NOT occur by accident , but they are often there by design.
The pharmaceutical industry is first & foremost an investment business , their first responsibility is NOT to patients , but instead to make as much profit for their shareholders as humanely possible in ANY way they can, & sod what happens along the way to those of us who take them … we who are suffering iatrogenic injury from their many poisons are simply looked on as future cash cows.
They make untold amounts of profit from the additional allopathic drugs Drs then prescribe to treat the ‘ side effects ‘ of the original drug, & on & on ad infinitum
Please understand that allopathic drugs invariably harm at some level when they are taken. As far as true healing goes, the natural original source of that synthetic poison is much more powerful, & it is from this original source, nature, where they developed these poisons from. They just do NOT want either our Drs, or ‘ we the people ‘ to realise this truth. And this for example is why those of us who heal ourselves in ways other than allopathic drugs are just simply ignored & not counted in the statistics, & also why anything natural that truly heals is quickly shut down, ( often unfortunately along with the Drs involved with it ), & as quickly as possible hidden from us.
Please research, & learn the full history of allopathic medicine, please do NOT continue to fall for this ongoing crime against humanity.
If it weren’t for this site I’d probably be questioning myself like I think the docs are. I saw a rheumatologist and immunologist recently, both with a PhD, who said my tests are normal. They literally had no advice other than they can’t explain it. I feel like giving up on trying to get any more help since they don’t seem to believe me. I’m trying to accept the fact that it really must be from the the meds & not an actual disease that I have. This isn’t easy because the symptoms I have now feel the same as back when I really did have an infection. Have others here gotten the same blank stares from docs and still feel the strong need to have the symptoms acknowledged and diagnosed as something? Thanks
I just had a mitochondria function blood test which shows significant damage to my mito,I am not utilizing magnesium and my enzymes are very low causing detoxifying problems
it has not damaged my dna that came out normal,my b3 is very low
most of my symptoms make sense to me now
I have read pl lyme disase forum lately.
People eat fluoroquinolones like cipro, levoxa all the time
In pulses (3 months levoxa, 1 month break, 3 months levoxa,
1 month break … and again), and eat this drugs, this poison
few years … and nothing wrong then.
After few years of lyme they feel healthy.
How to explain this paradox? Its strange!
One people is poisoned after 1 dose, and others eat this fq drug
Few years with no side effects, none!
Maybe indeed fq side effects are extremely rare, case 1:1000 000.
Penicyline can affect steven johnson syndrome and dead case 1:1000 000.
All drugs are dangerous, death risk.
Andy
What are the exact names of the tests
Ciprofloxed
I had one bag in ER. That’s all.
I think the test Andy P is referring to above is called the “Mitochondrial Function Profile,” which is done in the UK. Below is some information I found on it (I’ve included a link as well). Andy, if this is the test you took, please confirm that with us.
“Mitochondrial function profile is made up of the following individual tests:
ATP profiles;
NAD (functional B3);
SODase;
L-carnitine;
Cell-free DNA;
Glutathione Peroxidase.
All the above tests are performed at Acumen Laboratory
Co-enzyme Q10 – this test is performed at Biolab Medical Unit
About “ATP profiles”
The most significant test in the Mitochondrial function profile is called “ATP profiles”. It was developed by Dr John McLaren-Howard. The result is made up of three elements. First of all, it measures the rate at which ATP is recycled in cells. Because production of ATP is highly dependent on magnesium status so the first part of the test studies this aspect.
The second part of the test measures the efficiency with which ATP is made from ADP. If this is abnormal, then this could be as a result of magnesium deficiency, and/or low levels of Co-enzyme Q10, and/or low levels of vitamin B3 (NAD) and/or low levels of acetyl L-carnitine.
The third possibility is that the protein which transports ATP and ADP across mitochondrial membranes is impaired and this is also measured.”
http://drmyhill.co.uk/wiki/Mitochondrial_Function_Profile
see info here .
http://drmyhill.co.uk/wiki/Main_Page
We have mitochondria tests … but how to repair mitochondria
using tests results? Ugh.
L,
You mention IV treatments & high dose vit. c…would vit. c supplements by themselves be helpful? I doubt I’d ever have access to IV treatments so I’m wondering…
I have another question does anyone get weird feelings in there head. It’s hard to explain them but they don’t hurt just feeling like something moving of pulsing and I might pass out.
What is anyone’s best info/advice regarding hormones affecting cycles of flares? From things I’ve read, flox meds screw hormones up in general. My levels are “normal” last they checked, but I’m wondering if the shift in hormones during each month on top of that can then trigger symptoms? Best way to try addressing it? Any and all thoughts appreciated!
Can someone help with my some symptomes:
-Chest pain
2months ago when i’mfloxed everday 24h i have chest pain left everday everday never stopped my pain.
-My heart is not work properly
Like heart palpilations, or sometime like abnormal heart beat(sometime)
-Bad breath
Like i can’t get enough oxygen on my left side
I stopped to get supplements few days ago cuz in my country not have quality suppl, are all with sugar artificial or with bad chemicals
Like only have mg oxide not have others forms.
Any help for these symptoms?
The breathing issues we develop, this is very often something known as air hunger. This feels as if you cannot get enough oxygen into your lungs, or breathe deeply enough, & you can also find yourself having to concentrate on literally remembering to breathe, it is like your body has forgotten to do this automatically.
The pain in the chest ( & any new pain in the chest should always be checked out to be on the safe side imho ) this can be caused various things, but this is often related to the ribs, inflammation of the connective tissues, something known as Costochronditis.
We can also develop an issue which often feels as if we have a tight band around the chest area as if someone is squeezing us around the middle this can be a mimic ( for want of a better description ) of something known as the MS hug .
Depletion of magnesium via FQs / serious adrenal fatigue / peripheral / autominic neuropathy, the list just goes on & on, bottom line we have been systemically poisoned at a DNA/ mitochondrial level, & every organ in the body has its own way of protesting at this this horrendous injustice.
These various symptoms above, again as with so many of the others, no matter what supplements / protocols we might try, although these may help, or also potentially harm to various degrees ( & as someone who has just spent a whole year trying to recover to baseline from an ADR to an epsom salt bath ),in my experience they tend to do what they are going to do, & my own advice would be to PLEASE start ANY new supplement / protocol slowly / at a low dose at first, just to make sure you can actually tolerate it, no matter how innocuous it seems. as we are often now intolerant of SO many things.
In my own opinion & experience of being floxed no less than 7 times, & also of a long time of monitoring others experiences of floxing, I honestly feel as things stand right now, it is actually the passing of time which tends to be the biggest factor in showing how much we have been damaged, & imho it is also is the biggest factor in symptom improvement / potential resolution of these various symptoms / us eventually ( & this timeline will be totally unique to everyone ) potentially getting to a place where we might FEEL recovered .
Has anyone here had blood work done in the midst of an awful flare up of symptoms? I gave up on tests a while ago, but my most recent flare was so bad my doc wanted to do the basic tests. Most was normal but a couple things on the CBC were off and I’m sitting here worrying of course. Just wanted some feedback
Had Laparoscopic Hernia repair where they removed old mesh and replaced with new mesh. Had Clindamycin antibiotic drip during surgery. So far everything is good.
Well, I think I’ve been floxed. I took 3 days’ worth of Cipro (2x 500mg per day, part of a longer course that I never finished) for a suspected prostate infection. I stopped the course early because the lab results came back that the infection probably was not bacterial, and because I started to feel muscle pain mainly in the back that I knew was not related to my prostate issue. Once I got online and read about all the possible long term side effects of Cipro, well, that was enough for me to stop. I am now 5 days “post-flox” and am concerned. The second day off the drug I woke up feeling like I’d been run over by a truck- aches all over, mainly in the back and upper legs. Third day was much better, fourth and fifth days I’m getting achy arthritis-like pains in different parts of my body, almost like a bad case of the flu but without any of the other symptoms. I count myself lucky compared to many I’ve read about here that obviously are in much worse shape, but I’m frightened now about how long this might go on, or if it will get worse, and am not sure what to do.
As well as being severely floxed I am also currently having herbal treatment for Lyme disease. For the past few weeks I have had extreme diarrhoea, nausea and vomiting and it has been suggested that I take NAC to help detox the liver. I’m not to keen on taking any more meds – does anyone know if this is safe for floxies, or can anyone recommend safer alternatives? Thanks in advance.
Does any of the research talk about flox meds causing cancers, leukemia, etc? I now have abnormal bloodwork that has caused the hematologist to want to do a bone marrow test…just sitting here in disbelief & of course worried. Can anyone offer info. or insight?
My blood work that is abnormal was only ever abnormal while I was on these meds. Never had health issues before. Now I’m off these meds & it’s still causing my platelets to dip. I’m terrified that the meds induced something serious. I don’t want a bone marrow test, I don’t want any of this. Alot of people (including family) don’t understand & think it’s just anxiety. I’m honestly sick to death of people judging when they don’t know….this sucks