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Debs
8 years ago
Hi Ann,
Have you had a brain MRI in regards to your symptoms ? Flagyl which is of course neurotoxic can cause something called metronidazole induced encephalopathy, this tends to present to the best of my knowledge I believe with lesions in the brain which can be seen on MRI I was just wondering if they have done this for you ? in respect to the heart issues ( & sorry I cant remember what you have mentioned before so apologies if you have answered all this for me already ) & of course i have not taken Flagyl mine were due to FQs but my heart issues palpitations improved over time ( I used to feel pounding so hard my body used to literally move in time with the heartbeat which was visible to others ) though they have not completely resolved. Have you been tested for autonomic neuropathy ? In respect to FQs relapses which can make us feel almost as bad as when we were first injured can occur, & flares of various symptoms are also common. Sometimes we never find out what triggers them Can you point to anything at all which you maybe tried, or perhaps encountered environmentally, perhaps chemicals etc that may have caused this ?
Debs
8 years ago
Also, not meaning to scare you here but one thing I would recommended is to just get checked for possibility of aortic aneurysm if you have not had this done , the mention of your heart pounding in the stomach just rang a few bells for me. I know this is mentioned as a symptom in regards to this issue although for me & many other floxies it is just a bizarre symptom of floxing ,FQs are of course associated with this condition . However you took flagyl. imho as with any new heart related symptom always best to check it out just to be on the safe side
Debs
8 years ago
Well personally firstly regarding your heart symptoms, in the literature their are countless articles / studies mentioning an aortic aneurysm presenting with the feeling of a heartbeat pounding in the stomach . I do not know how they check for aortic aneurysm as have never looked into this subject, so did you mention it to them last time ? do you know if the blood test was to actually check for this ? If not re your heart symptoms If I were you I would personally call their bluff as this is so important to get ruled out. I would make it clear to them them that you want it in writing that they are refusing to check you for the symptoms that are a common presentation of aortic aneurysm, & also tell them that they will be hearing from your lawyer if as a consequence of them ignoring this simple request anything subsequently happens to you, … which of course in the case of a burst aortic aneurysm, there is of course invariably usually only one outcome & its certainly not favourable to life.
Re the timeline of improvement for the heartbeat side of things for the real pounding worst situation this I think started improving around 18 months in my most damaging floxing I doth think it completely stopped the real crazy pounding which could be literally seen by others until at least 2 years or even a bit later out.
I do seriously wonder if autonomic nerve damage is present, as it is in so many of us, your symptoms are suggestive of this imho. Do you get completely exhaustion can keep your eyes open / debilitation after eating a meal, profuse sweating particularly when needing the loo & exhaustion afterwards which completely wipes you out that sort of thing at all ?
Barbara Arnold
8 years ago
Just thought you guys would like to know I emailed Bayer in the UK and they sent me a form to fill in, so I did telling them they had poisoned me and what were they going to do about it. I actually got an answer much to my surprise saying they were sorry but I had to give the information to the Bayer company in Spain which is where I live. Again they actually gave me the e-mail address and said I could send it in English, which I am doing. I am not letting this go, so they better come back with something concrete, and not just a fob off message. They asked if I was willing for them to contact my Doctor which I agreed to as my Doctor has agreed it was cipro side effects. I have that in writing from the rheumatology department here.
SOMEONE HAS TO BE ACCOUNTABLE FOR ALL THIS PAIN AN MISERY.
Hugs to you all
joanneg
8 years ago
Hi Everyone,
Today is day 2 of the Vitamin Patch from http://www.patchmd.com/, and so far it’s keeping ALL my symptoms away !!!
I could not break the intensity of this last relapse and you all know the desperate things I’ve tried (FMT being the most out there thing). But I was desperate and felt like I was gonna die if I didn’t get something to at least slow down the decline.
Well, this patch gave me almost total symptom relief in less than an hour!!!
My advice, after seeing how unbelievably good and quick these work, is to definitely order ASAP!!!
They are used by bariatric patients with malabsorption issues which my guess is what a lot of us are dealing with.
I used the Multi Vitamin Plus, but they have a lot of different ones to try. I just ordered the Anti Aging one so I can add some things that aren’t in the multi.
Please read the site
Stephanie
8 years ago
This is my last post on this site. Before I sign off I would like to let anyone who is having trouble with western medicine know that I am severely floxied. That I have been to top neurologists in my area who are recommended around the US and the only help I have received is from my naturopath who focuses on neurological disorders. Since my issues I have helped several patients going to my western neurologist receive help from the amazing IVs that my naturopath gives. This is due to the fact that my western dr like all western Drs are not trained to know the benefits of magnesium IVs and other natural substances it is because my western dr and the nursing staff all sat in awe of watching me have a magnesium IV and saw the positive results that patients he would otherwise be unable to help are now also being seen by my naturopath who focuses on neurological disorders. My naturopath is sent all over the US to give speeches on rare issues that he has helped through natural methods. We are working on a very detailed plan for me because my damage is so severe. So good bye best wishes. To me this was a site for suggestions not bullying and nasty behavior a place to feel safe. It is no longer such a place. I am not the only one who feels this way best wishes on healthy recovery. I would also like to add instead of cutting out gluten I cut out grain treated with chemicals like Monsanto and only get pain when I don’t know where the grain is come from. Again suggestion, as all advice on this site should be suggestions!!!! It is dangeroust to do anything other than that. Everyone should research all suggestions including the ones I have have made and decide for yourself what to do. It’s your body we were damaged from lack of information or trusting blindly. My SUGGESTION is to all is to research and question everything.
Farewell!!! I will not be responding to anymore posts directed to me nor will I allow my email to be given to anyone. I hope you all find healing and light to guide you through this rough time.
Light and love
Stephanie
S.D.B.
8 years ago
Cindy
I don’t know of any meds to assist in connective tissue improvement. I am judiciously avoiding all meds except on the rare occasion I am exposed to something that sets off my allergic reactions; then and only then do I take an antihistamine. As everyone else on this site, I consider magnesium to be absolutely essential as it is key to just about all cellular/enzymatic reactions in the body.
L
8 years ago
Well, I wanted to stay away from this site, but I saw your reply to Stephanie in my inbox and had to say something.
First, many (most?) of us have had horrible experiences with neurologists, because like other allopaths they are completely in the dark when it comes to FLQs. The one I went to was not even aware they can cause permanent nerve damage, even though it’s right on the label, and instead called me “delusional.” Telling someone to find a good naturopath is not dangerous, as you have said. Like any competent doctor (and they ARE doctors, they DO go to medical school) they will know their own limitations.
Second, many people have had post-nerve test relapses. And even if they tell you something—so what?? They have no way to fix it! I would trust my ND’s use of different electromagnetic devices before I would trust anything a neurologist would try on me. Unfortunately I had the nerve test, it was painful and it showed nothing. I don’t need a test to tell me I have nerves choking me around the neck, or creating pelvic area pressure, or that I have numb toes and fingers that don’t work.
I don’t know who you are Cindy, but your posts have always struck me as odd. You will go into elaborate detail, trying to come across as some sort of expert on some medical thing and then days later ask something like what is CBD oil or what is some other common supplement and where to get it. While we all may have overlapping side effects, it seems that no matter what anyone posts, you have experienced it too. You are always trying to get people’s personal emails. Personally, I suspect you may not be a flq victim at all. If you are, I am sorry for that. But I just don’t trust you, and like Stephanie, I no longer feel this site is a good place for me to be. I love Lisa for creating it, and I feel I owe her a debt of gratitude, but I am truly done here.
Danie'l
8 years ago
So apparently I made a mistake without even knowing. I got floxed a few months back and have been doing IV therapy which has been going good. Then yesterday my doctor suggested a iv glutathione push. I’ve read its helped some and he said he has never had anyone have a bad experince with it so i thought why not. Last night and today I’m a total mess. I cant keep anything down. My anxiety is threw the roof and I can’t sleep or relax at all.. I’m now reading some people have had vad side effects from this. First being floxed and now this. I feel I’m at my breaking point. If anyone has any good advice on this subject I would be thankful. Will these side effects go away?
Danie'l
8 years ago
Thank you.
I did do some reaseach apparently not enough.
I called the doctor back and he said it wasn’t normal and had never had a patient react like that before. He even tried to say that it wasn’t from the glutathione because i would have had an allergic reaction. I ususlly just get magnisium IV and those have helped alot. I just feel like I’m right back where I started and I’m scared I’ve done permanent damage. I’m sorry for going on I know were all in the same boat. Anyway I’m hoping that the anxiety, pounding heart, and upset stomach will pass. I’m supposed to meet with an Ozone therapist next week before i go had anyone had bad reactions to this?
Nicole Reedy
8 years ago
Hi Joanneg, I am very interested in the vit. patches as vits. really upset my intestines.
C is a bad one for me but get all this in my IV’s with no problems. So was wondering is the patches would bypass my intestines like a IV does?!
Thanks, Nicole
Cindy Jones
8 years ago
Hi Rich Just seen your posting giving more info on Lyrica and the jerky movements. I would encourage you to see a neurologist about this just to get some reassurance. GRANTED HE MAY not acknowledge that you have been floxed however that does not make him a bad doctor.
If you see someone who knows then he or she will at least send something in writing to your GP to confirm what the jerky movements may be due to.
Please trust me because I go to a specialist neuro hospital. Are you in London?
This latest relapse has left me with constant severe lightheadedness and vertigo. I have to lie down all the time. Has anyone else had this, or found anything that helps please? Feeling desperate.
Jason
8 years ago
Lucy Sky / Jean Hooper / Cindy Jones – You are asking the following:
Jason
Please share the below info that you posted. Why can’t you tell us for free?
You wrote……
I mentioned last page it took some time, but I estimate I have the entire Floxing and all the ADR’s ~80% figured out, there is no one else even close to that number, here, or passed. Some of my clients have consulted some of the other thought of experts around and later tell me about their disappointment in doing so, BIG bucks too, and I see the protocols and hear the advice given, and boy I am WAY too cheap
———
Floxing is extremely complex, just as the Human Body is unbelievably complex, I have been studying the Body for 10 years and literally no nothing in the big picture, probably 2% or less, maybe even a lot less, other Doctors with this length of training are in the same boat, everyone has a tiny piece of knowledge, there is simply just too much to know, there are things maybe even a lot of things NO ONE knows yet, new things being discovered all the time. This is why Specialists exist, and there are many many different ones, and each goes through years of training on just one aspect, and most of them have flawed training, “Diseases” are treated with drugs when they don’t actually solve a damn thing. I hope this puts this into some perspective for you and others.
There are no simple answers, and Floxing does not affect everyone in exactly the same way, though there are some commonalities and some things that will help most. At this point I can easily write a 300+ page or more book on Floxing, and this is what I should ultimately do one day, when I have the time to do such a thing. There is no simple way to just share this info, here in these pages, and you are right when you said obtaining this knowledge came at a financial price, in the last 12 months my education has cost me over $30,000, good education is very expensive.
In the same way the same thing applies to Peripheral Neuropathy, just on a smaller scale, I have enough material and knowledge on this now to write a 40+ page book, just on this, so again no easy answers.
I have filled many many many pages here full of info over the last almost 2 years, for free, and I even spent a bunch of time making some of it searchable, to help people. Most of it is still relevant (with the caveat there are a couple of things that I learned are not, I have learned exponentially a lot more in the last 12 months since posting most of it) and can definitely help people with their Floxing, but there is a TON of it, and that is where a skilled practitioner/coach can really help a lot and will likely be necessary for most people, to help them figure out WHICH info actually applies to their set of problems, and which solutions are then best for them.
Note I agree completely with Debs on the state of Western Medicine and how it needs to be approached, and have also posted about this many many times in the past, and also as I noted above even the “good” Doctors should NOT be blindly trusted, either, as we see with the Glutathione issue, for which we now have yet ANOTHER damaged person right on this page, up to FOUR people this page and I posted 4 people’s horrific stories last page.
Many studies are NOT worth the paper they are written on, there are FAR too many variables, including corruption, but also a lack of knowledge in some cases, and really the list just goes on, there are hundreds if not thousands of cases and cases studies where something is proven to be good, and then just as many saying it is not good, there are often just too many complexities and variables, some of which can not be controlled. So, with Glutathione, people can keep playing Russian Roulette and listen to those who say it is a good idea, or they can listen to someone who has extensively researched it and does NOT blindly follow Doctors and believe studies, who came here to warn people after seeing numerous people damaged from it, and no soon after this warning and people said I was “wrong”, 4 new people show up damaged from it. Everyone can decide for themselves who they think is right in this picture, anecdotal once there is enough of it and it is telling enough, IS sometimes the BEST evidence.
Due to the monetary and time costs of furthering my education and other focuses and circumstances I am in, I had to stop posting here long ago and unfortunately just do not have time to post in forums and help people like I once did like when I went through my own floxing. As I said I do plan to have my own website in the future, and people now know how to reach me for consultation if wanted in the meantime. I likely will check in from time to time here, especially when I have simple information to be shared that can potentially protect and help people, which is what brought me here this time.
Good info hunting and healing to all of you. Jason
It seems that a lot of people are offended or angry with other people on this forum. Please try to be loving toward each other. We are all just trying to heal and to help others to heal. Please do not dismiss others’ experiences. Everyone has their own healing journey. Respect and love toward those who are dealing with this differently is helpful for the entire community. Neither anger nor offense are helpful, and if you are feeling either toward the people on this forum, I encourage you to take a bit of a break. If there was one single way to heal fluoroquinolone toxicity that worked for everyone, this site wouldn’t be necessary. In the meantime, I want it to be an environment where people can share their opinions and experiences without being criticized. Be kind. Everyone here is fighting a difficult battle.
faisal
8 years ago
I have questions please answer them one my age I took one pill Avalex 400 my age taking magnesium How long is magnesium, which will take them how many years do you expect the recovery time yesterday took a half dose of his magnesium Today I am a neuropathy symptoms that I suffer them after approximately year is heart palpitations Is continued magnesium or stopped
joanneg
8 years ago
Hi Everyone,
Today is day 3 since starting the Vitamin Patch, and I wanted to post that they are helping tremendously with all my symptoms.
But I do have some concerns with it because of such high levels of each vitamin, and I’m worried about accumulation over time.
So I decided to not to put one on today, and I some symptoms are coming back but nowhere near the level prior to the patch.
My plan is to wear the Kids Multi Patch 4 days a week and the Vitamin Plus patch the other 3 days.
I’ll be posting to let you all know how that goes.
Faisal
8 years ago
I have questions please answer them one my age I took one pill Avalex my age taking magnesium How long is magnesium, which will take them how many years do you expect the recovery time yesterday took a half dose of his magnesium Today I am a neuropathy symptoms that I suffer them after approximately year is heart palpitations Is continued magnesium or stopped
deb
8 years ago
I came here looking for Jason after a former floxie recommended him. I have read part of Cindys rant. Would someone please enlighten me as i need some advice post floxing. Tinnitus, severe anxiety, ocd, and now a partial thickness plantar fascial tear. My other foot is sore too. What can i do to heal collagen, and do damage control on my other foot? anyone?
It is unlikely to just be a coincidence that the US, Australia, and Ireland, which have had high rates of forced-fluoridation for decades, also have high rates of joint problems, and poor health outcomes in general.
Hi Ann,
Have you had a brain MRI in regards to your symptoms ? Flagyl which is of course neurotoxic can cause something called metronidazole induced encephalopathy, this tends to present to the best of my knowledge I believe with lesions in the brain which can be seen on MRI I was just wondering if they have done this for you ? in respect to the heart issues ( & sorry I cant remember what you have mentioned before so apologies if you have answered all this for me already ) & of course i have not taken Flagyl mine were due to FQs but my heart issues palpitations improved over time ( I used to feel pounding so hard my body used to literally move in time with the heartbeat which was visible to others ) though they have not completely resolved. Have you been tested for autonomic neuropathy ? In respect to FQs relapses which can make us feel almost as bad as when we were first injured can occur, & flares of various symptoms are also common. Sometimes we never find out what triggers them Can you point to anything at all which you maybe tried, or perhaps encountered environmentally, perhaps chemicals etc that may have caused this ?
Also, not meaning to scare you here but one thing I would recommended is to just get checked for possibility of aortic aneurysm if you have not had this done , the mention of your heart pounding in the stomach just rang a few bells for me. I know this is mentioned as a symptom in regards to this issue although for me & many other floxies it is just a bizarre symptom of floxing ,FQs are of course associated with this condition . However you took flagyl. imho as with any new heart related symptom always best to check it out just to be on the safe side
Well personally firstly regarding your heart symptoms, in the literature their are countless articles / studies mentioning an aortic aneurysm presenting with the feeling of a heartbeat pounding in the stomach . I do not know how they check for aortic aneurysm as have never looked into this subject, so did you mention it to them last time ? do you know if the blood test was to actually check for this ? If not re your heart symptoms If I were you I would personally call their bluff as this is so important to get ruled out. I would make it clear to them them that you want it in writing that they are refusing to check you for the symptoms that are a common presentation of aortic aneurysm, & also tell them that they will be hearing from your lawyer if as a consequence of them ignoring this simple request anything subsequently happens to you, … which of course in the case of a burst aortic aneurysm, there is of course invariably usually only one outcome & its certainly not favourable to life.
Re the timeline of improvement for the heartbeat side of things for the real pounding worst situation this I think started improving around 18 months in my most damaging floxing I doth think it completely stopped the real crazy pounding which could be literally seen by others until at least 2 years or even a bit later out.
I do seriously wonder if autonomic nerve damage is present, as it is in so many of us, your symptoms are suggestive of this imho. Do you get completely exhaustion can keep your eyes open / debilitation after eating a meal, profuse sweating particularly when needing the loo & exhaustion afterwards which completely wipes you out that sort of thing at all ?
Just thought you guys would like to know I emailed Bayer in the UK and they sent me a form to fill in, so I did telling them they had poisoned me and what were they going to do about it. I actually got an answer much to my surprise saying they were sorry but I had to give the information to the Bayer company in Spain which is where I live. Again they actually gave me the e-mail address and said I could send it in English, which I am doing. I am not letting this go, so they better come back with something concrete, and not just a fob off message. They asked if I was willing for them to contact my Doctor which I agreed to as my Doctor has agreed it was cipro side effects. I have that in writing from the rheumatology department here.
SOMEONE HAS TO BE ACCOUNTABLE FOR ALL THIS PAIN AN MISERY.
Hugs to you all
Hi Everyone,
Today is day 2 of the Vitamin Patch from http://www.patchmd.com/, and so far it’s keeping ALL my symptoms away !!!
I could not break the intensity of this last relapse and you all know the desperate things I’ve tried (FMT being the most out there thing). But I was desperate and felt like I was gonna die if I didn’t get something to at least slow down the decline.
Well, this patch gave me almost total symptom relief in less than an hour!!!
My advice, after seeing how unbelievably good and quick these work, is to definitely order ASAP!!!
They are used by bariatric patients with malabsorption issues which my guess is what a lot of us are dealing with.
I used the Multi Vitamin Plus, but they have a lot of different ones to try. I just ordered the Anti Aging one so I can add some things that aren’t in the multi.
Please read the site
This is my last post on this site. Before I sign off I would like to let anyone who is having trouble with western medicine know that I am severely floxied. That I have been to top neurologists in my area who are recommended around the US and the only help I have received is from my naturopath who focuses on neurological disorders. Since my issues I have helped several patients going to my western neurologist receive help from the amazing IVs that my naturopath gives. This is due to the fact that my western dr like all western Drs are not trained to know the benefits of magnesium IVs and other natural substances it is because my western dr and the nursing staff all sat in awe of watching me have a magnesium IV and saw the positive results that patients he would otherwise be unable to help are now also being seen by my naturopath who focuses on neurological disorders. My naturopath is sent all over the US to give speeches on rare issues that he has helped through natural methods. We are working on a very detailed plan for me because my damage is so severe. So good bye best wishes. To me this was a site for suggestions not bullying and nasty behavior a place to feel safe. It is no longer such a place. I am not the only one who feels this way best wishes on healthy recovery. I would also like to add instead of cutting out gluten I cut out grain treated with chemicals like Monsanto and only get pain when I don’t know where the grain is come from. Again suggestion, as all advice on this site should be suggestions!!!! It is dangeroust to do anything other than that. Everyone should research all suggestions including the ones I have have made and decide for yourself what to do. It’s your body we were damaged from lack of information or trusting blindly. My SUGGESTION is to all is to research and question everything.
Farewell!!! I will not be responding to anymore posts directed to me nor will I allow my email to be given to anyone. I hope you all find healing and light to guide you through this rough time.
Light and love
Stephanie
Cindy
I don’t know of any meds to assist in connective tissue improvement. I am judiciously avoiding all meds except on the rare occasion I am exposed to something that sets off my allergic reactions; then and only then do I take an antihistamine. As everyone else on this site, I consider magnesium to be absolutely essential as it is key to just about all cellular/enzymatic reactions in the body.
Well, I wanted to stay away from this site, but I saw your reply to Stephanie in my inbox and had to say something.
First, many (most?) of us have had horrible experiences with neurologists, because like other allopaths they are completely in the dark when it comes to FLQs. The one I went to was not even aware they can cause permanent nerve damage, even though it’s right on the label, and instead called me “delusional.” Telling someone to find a good naturopath is not dangerous, as you have said. Like any competent doctor (and they ARE doctors, they DO go to medical school) they will know their own limitations.
Second, many people have had post-nerve test relapses. And even if they tell you something—so what?? They have no way to fix it! I would trust my ND’s use of different electromagnetic devices before I would trust anything a neurologist would try on me. Unfortunately I had the nerve test, it was painful and it showed nothing. I don’t need a test to tell me I have nerves choking me around the neck, or creating pelvic area pressure, or that I have numb toes and fingers that don’t work.
I don’t know who you are Cindy, but your posts have always struck me as odd. You will go into elaborate detail, trying to come across as some sort of expert on some medical thing and then days later ask something like what is CBD oil or what is some other common supplement and where to get it. While we all may have overlapping side effects, it seems that no matter what anyone posts, you have experienced it too. You are always trying to get people’s personal emails. Personally, I suspect you may not be a flq victim at all. If you are, I am sorry for that. But I just don’t trust you, and like Stephanie, I no longer feel this site is a good place for me to be. I love Lisa for creating it, and I feel I owe her a debt of gratitude, but I am truly done here.
So apparently I made a mistake without even knowing. I got floxed a few months back and have been doing IV therapy which has been going good. Then yesterday my doctor suggested a iv glutathione push. I’ve read its helped some and he said he has never had anyone have a bad experince with it so i thought why not. Last night and today I’m a total mess. I cant keep anything down. My anxiety is threw the roof and I can’t sleep or relax at all.. I’m now reading some people have had vad side effects from this. First being floxed and now this. I feel I’m at my breaking point. If anyone has any good advice on this subject I would be thankful. Will these side effects go away?
Thank you.
I did do some reaseach apparently not enough.
I called the doctor back and he said it wasn’t normal and had never had a patient react like that before. He even tried to say that it wasn’t from the glutathione because i would have had an allergic reaction. I ususlly just get magnisium IV and those have helped alot. I just feel like I’m right back where I started and I’m scared I’ve done permanent damage. I’m sorry for going on I know were all in the same boat. Anyway I’m hoping that the anxiety, pounding heart, and upset stomach will pass. I’m supposed to meet with an Ozone therapist next week before i go had anyone had bad reactions to this?
Hi Joanneg, I am very interested in the vit. patches as vits. really upset my intestines.
C is a bad one for me but get all this in my IV’s with no problems. So was wondering is the patches would bypass my intestines like a IV does?!
Thanks, Nicole
Hi Rich Just seen your posting giving more info on Lyrica and the jerky movements. I would encourage you to see a neurologist about this just to get some reassurance. GRANTED HE MAY not acknowledge that you have been floxed however that does not make him a bad doctor.
If you see someone who knows then he or she will at least send something in writing to your GP to confirm what the jerky movements may be due to.
Please trust me because I go to a specialist neuro hospital. Are you in London?
Hope u don’t mind my asking.
https://www.reference.com/health/symptoms-myoclonic-seizures-a69def6ddfd13cf5?qo=cdpArticles
This latest relapse has left me with constant severe lightheadedness and vertigo. I have to lie down all the time. Has anyone else had this, or found anything that helps please? Feeling desperate.
Lucy Sky / Jean Hooper / Cindy Jones – You are asking the following:
Jason
Please share the below info that you posted. Why can’t you tell us for free?
You wrote……
I mentioned last page it took some time, but I estimate I have the entire Floxing and all the ADR’s ~80% figured out, there is no one else even close to that number, here, or passed. Some of my clients have consulted some of the other thought of experts around and later tell me about their disappointment in doing so, BIG bucks too, and I see the protocols and hear the advice given, and boy I am WAY too cheap
———
Floxing is extremely complex, just as the Human Body is unbelievably complex, I have been studying the Body for 10 years and literally no nothing in the big picture, probably 2% or less, maybe even a lot less, other Doctors with this length of training are in the same boat, everyone has a tiny piece of knowledge, there is simply just too much to know, there are things maybe even a lot of things NO ONE knows yet, new things being discovered all the time. This is why Specialists exist, and there are many many different ones, and each goes through years of training on just one aspect, and most of them have flawed training, “Diseases” are treated with drugs when they don’t actually solve a damn thing. I hope this puts this into some perspective for you and others.
There are no simple answers, and Floxing does not affect everyone in exactly the same way, though there are some commonalities and some things that will help most. At this point I can easily write a 300+ page or more book on Floxing, and this is what I should ultimately do one day, when I have the time to do such a thing. There is no simple way to just share this info, here in these pages, and you are right when you said obtaining this knowledge came at a financial price, in the last 12 months my education has cost me over $30,000, good education is very expensive.
In the same way the same thing applies to Peripheral Neuropathy, just on a smaller scale, I have enough material and knowledge on this now to write a 40+ page book, just on this, so again no easy answers.
I have filled many many many pages here full of info over the last almost 2 years, for free, and I even spent a bunch of time making some of it searchable, to help people. Most of it is still relevant (with the caveat there are a couple of things that I learned are not, I have learned exponentially a lot more in the last 12 months since posting most of it) and can definitely help people with their Floxing, but there is a TON of it, and that is where a skilled practitioner/coach can really help a lot and will likely be necessary for most people, to help them figure out WHICH info actually applies to their set of problems, and which solutions are then best for them.
Note I agree completely with Debs on the state of Western Medicine and how it needs to be approached, and have also posted about this many many times in the past, and also as I noted above even the “good” Doctors should NOT be blindly trusted, either, as we see with the Glutathione issue, for which we now have yet ANOTHER damaged person right on this page, up to FOUR people this page and I posted 4 people’s horrific stories last page.
Many studies are NOT worth the paper they are written on, there are FAR too many variables, including corruption, but also a lack of knowledge in some cases, and really the list just goes on, there are hundreds if not thousands of cases and cases studies where something is proven to be good, and then just as many saying it is not good, there are often just too many complexities and variables, some of which can not be controlled. So, with Glutathione, people can keep playing Russian Roulette and listen to those who say it is a good idea, or they can listen to someone who has extensively researched it and does NOT blindly follow Doctors and believe studies, who came here to warn people after seeing numerous people damaged from it, and no soon after this warning and people said I was “wrong”, 4 new people show up damaged from it. Everyone can decide for themselves who they think is right in this picture, anecdotal once there is enough of it and it is telling enough, IS sometimes the BEST evidence.
Due to the monetary and time costs of furthering my education and other focuses and circumstances I am in, I had to stop posting here long ago and unfortunately just do not have time to post in forums and help people like I once did like when I went through my own floxing. As I said I do plan to have my own website in the future, and people now know how to reach me for consultation if wanted in the meantime. I likely will check in from time to time here, especially when I have simple information to be shared that can potentially protect and help people, which is what brought me here this time.
Good info hunting and healing to all of you. Jason
It seems that a lot of people are offended or angry with other people on this forum. Please try to be loving toward each other. We are all just trying to heal and to help others to heal. Please do not dismiss others’ experiences. Everyone has their own healing journey. Respect and love toward those who are dealing with this differently is helpful for the entire community. Neither anger nor offense are helpful, and if you are feeling either toward the people on this forum, I encourage you to take a bit of a break. If there was one single way to heal fluoroquinolone toxicity that worked for everyone, this site wouldn’t be necessary. In the meantime, I want it to be an environment where people can share their opinions and experiences without being criticized. Be kind. Everyone here is fighting a difficult battle.
I have questions please answer them one my age I took one pill Avalex 400 my age taking magnesium How long is magnesium, which will take them how many years do you expect the recovery time yesterday took a half dose of his magnesium Today I am a neuropathy symptoms that I suffer them after approximately year is heart palpitations Is continued magnesium or stopped
Hi Everyone,
Today is day 3 since starting the Vitamin Patch, and I wanted to post that they are helping tremendously with all my symptoms.
But I do have some concerns with it because of such high levels of each vitamin, and I’m worried about accumulation over time.
So I decided to not to put one on today, and I some symptoms are coming back but nowhere near the level prior to the patch.
My plan is to wear the Kids Multi Patch 4 days a week and the Vitamin Plus patch the other 3 days.
I’ll be posting to let you all know how that goes.
I have questions please answer them one my age I took one pill Avalex my age taking magnesium How long is magnesium, which will take them how many years do you expect the recovery time yesterday took a half dose of his magnesium Today I am a neuropathy symptoms that I suffer them after approximately year is heart palpitations Is continued magnesium or stopped
I came here looking for Jason after a former floxie recommended him. I have read part of Cindys rant. Would someone please enlighten me as i need some advice post floxing. Tinnitus, severe anxiety, ocd, and now a partial thickness plantar fascial tear. My other foot is sore too. What can i do to heal collagen, and do damage control on my other foot? anyone?
Cipro is a significant source of fluoride exposure. Fluoride is highly toxic and a cumulative poison, like lead, arsenic, and mercury. I have asked many forced-fluoridation fanatics to tell me how much accumulated fluoride in the body they think is safe. So far not a single one of them has been able to answer the question.
https://forcedfluoridationfreedomfighters.com/a-preliminary-investigation-into-fluoride-accumulation-in-bone/
It is unlikely to just be a coincidence that the US, Australia, and Ireland, which have had high rates of forced-fluoridation for decades, also have high rates of joint problems, and poor health outcomes in general.