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Today is day 5 since I stopped all supplements except my spray magnesium oil, and so far it has kept me out of the flare I was in, and I feel absolutely great!!!
I did have to use less spray last night because when I sprayed on the 24 sprays I got extremely sleepy, like drugged sleepy, so I just washed it off, and I felt better rather quickly.
I’m thinking this means my magnesium levels are getting better?? So I started today with 16 sprays and I’ll do this every 4 hrs and see how it goes.
These are the things it has helped me with;
extreme soupy/dizzy head
shaking in my brain and body
hyper sensitivity to noise
tight, twisting, wrenching stomach
able to task, organize, and think better!!!
actually, it has helped with everything I feel almost 90% better, but I still can feel a tiny bit of weirdness in my head that shouldn’t be there.
I’ll post to let you all know if it continues to help.
Ann
7 years ago
Has anyone tested leech teraphy?
Lenny
7 years ago
My orthopaedist suggested a leech treatment,
but I´m not sure what to think about!
Lenny
7 years ago
Hi Ann,
I ´m scared too that is why i haven´t it done yet. He suggested it in order to reduce pain in the achilles tendons and detoxification. If once have a “normal” tendionitis, it would be a good option, but in our cases i do not know either. I´m concerned about the wounds the leech will left behind because my skin does not resolve these little skin wounds correctly since i got floxed. In addition I dont not know about the reactions between the saliva of the leech and other side effects.
It would be interessting if any floxy had done this kind of treatment, but i´m not sure if it is common in US. Here in Germany its still not common but some doctors provide it.
Cindy
7 years ago
Hi Ann You are welcome. This pn is driving me nuts .
Lenny
7 years ago
Hi Ann,
no I have neither IV nor ozon done. Ozone therapy is available in Germany, IV treatment is not common. After the glutathione discussion I do not see any reason for IV. With ozon its the same as leech therapy – I´m scared to do more harm.
My alternative practitioner found that my immune system works weak, so I think I won´t try the leech treatment currently.
Regarding to which symptoms do you wanted to try the leechs?
Mike
7 years ago
Hi all,
My story is generally pretty similar to most and I’m going to skip the horrific details for now — I just have a quick question about IV therapy:
I’ve started receiving IV treatments of Glutathione and Magnesium, but the actual procedure hasn’t been what I expected. Can someone tell me how MUCH of a given nutrient they have received in their treatments? Or in general what would be considered an appropriate amount to receive?
I understand that we are all different, but I imagined I would be hooked up to a drip bag and the whole procedure would take 30-60 minutes and, well, that my body would be “flooded” with Magnesium and Glutathione. Instead, the doctor is just giving me a quick “push” (it only takes a couple minutes) and I feel no difference at all. At the *very* least I thought I would have a *little* more energy, a reaction that seems to be WIDELY reported with Glutathione IV therapy.
I’ve asked the doctor about the drip bag method, assuming that method has “more”… and he says I’m getting the same amount that would be given in a drip bag, but just much quicker. He said the “push” is just as good, and is just a different delivery method.
I’ve had three treatments now, and in the back of my head I’m wondering if I am not getting enough. How much SHOULD I be getting? Is my doctor correct that the same amount can be given in a push than can be given from a drip bag?
For both Glut and Magnesium, I’m currently receiving six ml doses of 200 mgs each — so a total of 1200 mgs for each nutrient.
I would love to know how this compares to other people’s doses…
Thanks,
Mike
No cipro.
7 years ago
I’m curious about anyone’s reaction or relapse from taking prednisone or ibuprofen. I feel awful after taking both for a pinched nerve. I’m just curious if anyone had any advice or knew what I could expect. I know we’re all different. I’m so frustrated. It’s just all started back just not as intense on most things. Anyone else have this happen after mess??
Amy
7 years ago
Is fluorine the same as fluoride?? I read that dates contain fluorine & wonder- should I not eat them?? Or is food not an issue…probably a silly question, but oh well
Lenny
7 years ago
Hi Ann,
my heart goes out to you! It´s terrible. I can understand that you want to chance the situation. Its the same for me, but I´m more careful now. I took Glutthione orally and think that in some kind it was harmful for me.
Like you I have also problems with cold hands and feet. Besides my blood pressure is quite low now. Have you been at a heart check?
How long are you in?
Lenny
7 years ago
Hi No Cipro,
I took Cipro along with prednison containing cream. The week after beeing floxed I took Ibuprofen. I have huge tendon problems, I cant walk for more than 50 metres.
In Addition I had to took steriod eye drops two month in. Until today (five month in) I do not reach the “before eye drop level”. My tendons problem became even worse… ;My joint are popping too…
Faisal
7 years ago
Hi All,
I’m afraid of heart palpitations can be a disease of the heart muscle or inflammation of the heart membrane or relaxation in one of the heart valves 🙁 Is throbbing disease or a problem of the heart or other reason caused Avalux
joanneg
7 years ago
Hi Everyone,
I wanted to post some information that I not only find very interesting, but I see these same symptoms in my own journey and in every testimony I read on Floxie hope. I often felt this was one of the big things we floxies are suffering from-
Adrenal Fatigue/Exhaustion
Most conventional physicians are not well informed on Adrenal Fatigue because it is not a recognized condition in the main stream medical community. The lack of medical education and research in the condition results in tremendous misinformation and confusion among the medical professionals and lay communities alike.
A large number of presenting symptoms of Adrenal Fatigue are vague and unusual because the adrenal glands affect almost every major system of the body. Dysfunctions of the adrenals therefore have wide influences with symptoms that often defy conventional medical logic. Imagine a patient presenting himself with symptoms of fatigue, insomnia, hypoglycemia, heart palpitations, salt cravings, sugar cravings, joint pain, sore muscles, exercise intolerance, low libido, and dizziness concurrently. To the untrained physician, sorting out this maze of complaints is challenging to say the least. These symptoms, however, can often be explained under the unified umbrella of Adrenal Fatigue.
For example, a weak adrenal is often associated with clinical or sub-clinical dysfunction of the autonomic nervous system (ANS) and its various sub-components. Symptoms such as postural hypotension, fragile blood pressure, cardiac arrhythmias , POTS and temperature intolerance can be caused by sympathetic nervous system (SNS) dysfunction which is part of the ANS. Fainting, low body temperature, hypoglycemia and anxiety can be caused by over stimulation of the adrenomedullary hormonal system (AHS) and its chemical messenger, adrenaline. The AHS is part of the ANS. Irregular sweating can be due to dysregulation of the sympathetic cholinergic system (SCS), part of the ANS as well. Finally, gastric discomfort, leaky gut, IBS, bowl movement irregularities and urination dysfunction can be tied to over stimulation of the parasympathetic nervous system (PNS), a branch of the ANS.
Similarly, hypoglycemia, fluid retention, metabolic imbalance, low blood pressure, muscle ache, joint pain, sugar imbalance, frequent infection, IBS and CFS are regulated to a large degree by cortisol. A weak adrenal with accompanying low cortisol level can present itself with these symptoms.
Because dysfunctional adrenals affect virtually every system of the body including the central nervous system, a thorough understanding of the following areas of medicine is needed: neurology, cardiology, endocrinology and psychiatry. Most medical specialists are trained in their respective narrow scientific fields and few are experienced enough in all of the disciplines to fully comprehend the Adrenal Fatigue condition.
Unable to understand or solve the problem at the root level, most well-intentioned physicians tend to prescribe anti-depressants and anti-anxiety agents in their best attempt to help their patients. These medications are usually prescribed after basic stress reduction techniques are recommended and laboratory tests have turned out to be unremarkable. Referrals are made to endocrinologists and other specialists if the symptoms fail to resolve. Unfortunately, this is often futile. Nutritional supplementation may be recommended, but due to the lack of systematic approach, most nutrients are dispensed in a shot-gun attempt to control the symptoms rather than focused on allowing the body to use the nutrients to help heal the adrenals. As a result, the symptoms usually get worse with time.
Adrenal Exhaustion refers to Stage 3 of Adrenal Fatigue. As adrenal function is weakened further, the body’s need for adrenal hormones remains unabated if stress is not reduced. The adrenals are no longer able to keep up with the ever-increasing demand for cortisol production needed to overcome the stress and they become exhausted. Cortisol output starts to decline and this usually happens gradually. If the stressors are severe, an adrenal crash may occur, to be followed by a longer than usual recovery.
The body, at this stage of Adrenal Fatigue, has, as its primary goal, the conservation of energy to ensure survival. Systematically, the body goes into a slow-down mode and starts to break down muscle tissue to produce energy. This catabolic stage results in the breakdown of muscles and protein wasting. Chronic fatigue is common and exercise tolerance is reduced. Concurrently, chronic fibromyalgia appears. Toxic metabolites begin to accumulate throughout the body, leading to brain fog and insomnia. Depression becomes severe and constant. As this stage progresses, metabolic, immunological and neurological single organ systems dysfunction characteristic of Stage 2 Adrenal Fatigue becomes chronic (Phase A). It then spreads to involve multiple organs (Phase B). This is evidenced by multiple endocrine axis dysfunctions, including the ovarian-adrenal-thyroid axis imbalance in females and adrenal-thyroid axis imbalance in males.
Adrenal Fatigue can cause disequilibrium If not attended to, the body is further weakened and enters into a state of disequilibrium with loss of homeostasis (Phase C). As the body tries to repair itself with the limited tools it has, there are wild, exaggerated and paradoxical autonomic-driven reactions. These are characterized by adrenaline rushes, labile blood pressure, and hypoglycemic episodes after meals and anxiety attacks. A state of near adrenal failure (Phase D) eventually occurs as the body’s pool of hormones reaches a level too low to prime the adrenals. Without sufficient levels of hormones, the body goes into a full-blown shut down mode to stop as much of the non-essential functions as possible to conserve energy in order to survive. During this stage of Adrenal Fatigue, the libido is suppressed, digestion slows down and metabolic rate declines to conserve body weight. Those afflicted find themselves bed-ridden most of the time, and have energy that will last for only a short time.
What separates Stage 3 Adrenal Fatigue from earlier stages, clinically, is that the patient often cannot function smoothly throughout the day, no matter how hard he tries. The adrenal function is constantly hovering around the adrenal symptoms threshold level and the smallest stressor will often trigger an adrenal crash. Not only is recovery time taking longer but the body never fully returns to the pre-crash baseline energy level. Something is wrong and the body’s cry for help becomes louder. The productive hours of the day will progressively decrease and it is not unusual for those at this stage of Adrenal Fatigue to have only a few hours of productive time a day, while the rest of the time is spent in bed resting.
Adrenal Fatigue is a condition that has puzzled the medical community for the past 100 years. Physicians scorn to come near it because of the lack of a standardized approach and understanding of its progression and the various therapeutic options. Patients are abandoned and left on their own to self-navigate. The fact that the majority of self guided programs has failed is a warning sign that something is very wrong.
Imagine living a life where one is bed bound most of the time, exhausted from doing the simple chores of daily living, startled by simple events like the ringing of the telephone or the door bell, unexplained onset of feeling impending doom, depression, sudden anxiety attacks, heart palpitations, hypoglycemia, hypotension and insomnia. These are symptoms of severe Adrenal Fatigue which can result in total incapacitation and a debilitated state of function called the “living dead”. These symptoms are also the characteristics of the end stages of Adrenal Fatigue if left to its natural progression.
Adrenal Fatigue as a condition is much more complicated and debilitating than we think. Fortunately most will recover. The body’s stress response mechanism has sustained and ensured our survival for thousands of years. Our understanding and knowledge of this condition is at best only in its infancy. Those who are suffering or fail to recover on a timely basis should scrutinize their current recovery program to see if there is any room for improvements. Qualified professional help from those who are highly experienced should be sought out as early as possible to avoid and reverse the natural progression of this condition.
If the increase in my magnesium keeps me out of my last flare, I will just continue with that. But if I flare up again, I think this is the next treatment I will try.
It truly is very sad that we have to try and figure all this out on our own, and most of us can’t even think straight!!!
Stephanie
7 years ago
Soooo I really wanted to stay off of here but after reading about people bringing up the impact of flagyl and flouroquinolines I would just like to share my story to help others out. Let me start with almost 2yrs years ago in a little over a month I was given over 1,250mg of flouroquinolines and over 800mg of flagyl. It is western medicine practice to give flagyl and flouroquinolines together for gi issues. Mine was a misdiagnosis but they still gave me all that crap. Now almost two years out I have been told I’m tacacardic, I have been told that the muscles except for my diaphragm are spamming when I breath which makes me gasp and feel like I’m smothering, dizzy, burning in my arms, legs and brain that is so bad I scream (super fun in public) spasms/tremors that consistently are getting worse, dropping on the left side of my face (it sometimes switches to the right), speech issues where at times I can’t even speak, I also now at times get stuck meaning I can’t move at all sometimes a few minutes to an hour. I am sure I missed some stuff but that’s the run down. I don’t have thyroid issues, I don’t have epilepsy, I am not anemic. I am in process of trying Unda it’s a detox method and should only be done by a trained professional as it is very painful but I will not give up hoping to get better. I can only afford to get magnesium and gluthione IVs which are a push not an IV drip once a month. These are FOR ME life saving IVS. I am not discounting anyone’s bad experience with gluthione but I also think it is dangerous for anyone to tell someone not to try it as we are all different. It has helped me get through this nightmare. I would say talk to a naturopath who is well versed in neurological issues or a homeopath or an Integrative Dr who leans more towards natural methods. I also would like to say when I have heart episodes or breathing episodes I use mindfulness to get through it. I use music to get me through it. It’s all still painful but mentally it keeps me going. That combined with the fact that I’m too stubborn to allow the bs that is western medicine to break me. I don’t believe that western medicine can help any of us because it takes a dr who can admit drugs do cause damage to help. In the over ten western Drs I have been to only one still helps me ONE ONE ONE. I also see a naturopath I can’t use Epsom salt, magnesium spray has zero impact, supplements don’t help at all IVs are the only thing that have had any impact. Oh I can barley walk am in my mid-30s and am now trying to deal with having to use a wheel chair because walking gets worse.
Lenny
7 years ago
Hi Ann,
I was not aware that flagyl could terrible things like this without the help of Cipro. Its aweful.
In regard to your questions:
I took S-Acetyl-Glutathione (they say its the only orally working form). At first I got a little better and could walk short distances again. After two to three month all of my tendons became worse. Thats why i stopped the Glutathione and it became a little better. So I´m not sure if it was the glutathione or not, but I suspect it.
After month 3 floxing my hands and feet became could every day. The fall makes it worse too, besides I not able to go outside. In the morning they are quite warm and getting more cold during the day. It take a epsom salt foot bath in the evening. Then they are warm for a while.
Thankfully i do not have depression, anxiethy or sleeping problems. But have to sleep very long (9-10 hours) in order to make it through the day. And I´m very angry and have problems to accept the situation.
I have problems with my eyes like you. Do you have floaters, too?
I did not unterstand what you got in the hospital which makes you feel worse?
kbunch
7 years ago
I believe this occurred with my mom and nearly cost her life. How do we verify or follow up on impact?
Ann
7 years ago
Has anyone had really trouble breathing? and how long took it before it got better? I have extremly difficulty to breath. Like im gasping for air, and like my body dosent know how to breath anymore. And also have a really hard time to swallow. I dont know what to do about it anymore.
Hi folks, i´m going to give you an update on my condition. As you know i was at the end of my rope and considering taking clonazepam, but in god´s grace i found homeopathy by searching the net for answers, I read a story on myoclonus and a remedy for it, the homeopathy remedy was nat sulphu, i talked to my brother who uses homeopathy and he told me where to buy it, so i bought it and took ten drops in the4 evening and went to be.
It was a miracle, i slept almost six hours, but the following days were a mixed bag, sometimes i slept weel and other times is struggled. I continued studying remedies and found kali phos, so i bought some drops and started taking them also, they are for nerve regeneration, at that time a friedn told me his brothers wife was studying homeopathy and that o should talk to her.
I talked to her and she told me she would look into it and find a remedy, she gave me agaricus, i researched it and found ti is the common homeopathic remedy for my condition.
I am sleeping better, sometimes i don´t sleep great and i am fine tuning it with my diet and behaviuoral conditioning, i don´t use the computer much and i do more meditation.
I am on a restricted diet necause i found foods agravate my condition.
My diet is this,
breakfast. sweet potaote with a banana, a spoon of bee pollen and two poons of coconut oil.
for lunch itps fish or organinc chicken with rice, i usually stema my foor and adds some onion and garlic for flavor.
i drink water.
i don´t eat salt of sugar.
that is what i eat everyday. i never change it much, it has worked because it is kess of a burden on my brain,
I have nocturnal myoclonus,
P.S. ciporfloxed, the answer to your question is no, i have never had numbness in my extremities, but i can tell you it is a circulatory problem, you should massage and rub your armas and legs, drink plenty of mint tea and avoid gluten, eat foods that promote circulation, onion and garlic in your food are good for circulation, vitmain E helps restore damaged circulation.
I thank you all kindly and may god bless you in your journey.
I spend most of my time praying, i pray for everyone that you may all heal and find peace.
For those who would like to learn more about glutathione, here are two good posts:
http://www.myquinstory.info/methylation-for-the-fluoroquinolone-sufferer/
and
http://www.myquinstory.info/poor-mans-quick-guide-to-glutathione-supplementation-for-the-fq-sufferer/
Hi Everyone,
Today is day 5 since I stopped all supplements except my spray magnesium oil, and so far it has kept me out of the flare I was in, and I feel absolutely great!!!
I did have to use less spray last night because when I sprayed on the 24 sprays I got extremely sleepy, like drugged sleepy, so I just washed it off, and I felt better rather quickly.
I’m thinking this means my magnesium levels are getting better?? So I started today with 16 sprays and I’ll do this every 4 hrs and see how it goes.
These are the things it has helped me with;
extreme soupy/dizzy head
shaking in my brain and body
hyper sensitivity to noise
tight, twisting, wrenching stomach
able to task, organize, and think better!!!
actually, it has helped with everything I feel almost 90% better, but I still can feel a tiny bit of weirdness in my head that shouldn’t be there.
I’ll post to let you all know if it continues to help.
Has anyone tested leech teraphy?
My orthopaedist suggested a leech treatment,
but I´m not sure what to think about!
Hi Ann,
I ´m scared too that is why i haven´t it done yet. He suggested it in order to reduce pain in the achilles tendons and detoxification. If once have a “normal” tendionitis, it would be a good option, but in our cases i do not know either. I´m concerned about the wounds the leech will left behind because my skin does not resolve these little skin wounds correctly since i got floxed. In addition I dont not know about the reactions between the saliva of the leech and other side effects.
It would be interessting if any floxy had done this kind of treatment, but i´m not sure if it is common in US. Here in Germany its still not common but some doctors provide it.
Hi Ann You are welcome. This pn is driving me nuts .
Hi Ann,
no I have neither IV nor ozon done. Ozone therapy is available in Germany, IV treatment is not common. After the glutathione discussion I do not see any reason for IV. With ozon its the same as leech therapy – I´m scared to do more harm.
My alternative practitioner found that my immune system works weak, so I think I won´t try the leech treatment currently.
Regarding to which symptoms do you wanted to try the leechs?
Hi all,
My story is generally pretty similar to most and I’m going to skip the horrific details for now — I just have a quick question about IV therapy:
I’ve started receiving IV treatments of Glutathione and Magnesium, but the actual procedure hasn’t been what I expected. Can someone tell me how MUCH of a given nutrient they have received in their treatments? Or in general what would be considered an appropriate amount to receive?
I understand that we are all different, but I imagined I would be hooked up to a drip bag and the whole procedure would take 30-60 minutes and, well, that my body would be “flooded” with Magnesium and Glutathione. Instead, the doctor is just giving me a quick “push” (it only takes a couple minutes) and I feel no difference at all. At the *very* least I thought I would have a *little* more energy, a reaction that seems to be WIDELY reported with Glutathione IV therapy.
I’ve asked the doctor about the drip bag method, assuming that method has “more”… and he says I’m getting the same amount that would be given in a drip bag, but just much quicker. He said the “push” is just as good, and is just a different delivery method.
I’ve had three treatments now, and in the back of my head I’m wondering if I am not getting enough. How much SHOULD I be getting? Is my doctor correct that the same amount can be given in a push than can be given from a drip bag?
For both Glut and Magnesium, I’m currently receiving six ml doses of 200 mgs each — so a total of 1200 mgs for each nutrient.
I would love to know how this compares to other people’s doses…
Thanks,
Mike
I’m curious about anyone’s reaction or relapse from taking prednisone or ibuprofen. I feel awful after taking both for a pinched nerve. I’m just curious if anyone had any advice or knew what I could expect. I know we’re all different. I’m so frustrated. It’s just all started back just not as intense on most things. Anyone else have this happen after mess??
Is fluorine the same as fluoride?? I read that dates contain fluorine & wonder- should I not eat them?? Or is food not an issue…probably a silly question, but oh well
Hi Ann,
my heart goes out to you! It´s terrible. I can understand that you want to chance the situation. Its the same for me, but I´m more careful now. I took Glutthione orally and think that in some kind it was harmful for me.
Like you I have also problems with cold hands and feet. Besides my blood pressure is quite low now. Have you been at a heart check?
How long are you in?
Hi No Cipro,
I took Cipro along with prednison containing cream. The week after beeing floxed I took Ibuprofen. I have huge tendon problems, I cant walk for more than 50 metres.
In Addition I had to took steriod eye drops two month in. Until today (five month in) I do not reach the “before eye drop level”. My tendons problem became even worse… ;My joint are popping too…
Hi All,
I’m afraid of heart palpitations can be a disease of the heart muscle or inflammation of the heart membrane or relaxation in one of the heart valves 🙁 Is throbbing disease or a problem of the heart or other reason caused Avalux
Hi Everyone,
I wanted to post some information that I not only find very interesting, but I see these same symptoms in my own journey and in every testimony I read on Floxie hope. I often felt this was one of the big things we floxies are suffering from-
Adrenal Fatigue/Exhaustion
Most conventional physicians are not well informed on Adrenal Fatigue because it is not a recognized condition in the main stream medical community. The lack of medical education and research in the condition results in tremendous misinformation and confusion among the medical professionals and lay communities alike.
A large number of presenting symptoms of Adrenal Fatigue are vague and unusual because the adrenal glands affect almost every major system of the body. Dysfunctions of the adrenals therefore have wide influences with symptoms that often defy conventional medical logic. Imagine a patient presenting himself with symptoms of fatigue, insomnia, hypoglycemia, heart palpitations, salt cravings, sugar cravings, joint pain, sore muscles, exercise intolerance, low libido, and dizziness concurrently. To the untrained physician, sorting out this maze of complaints is challenging to say the least. These symptoms, however, can often be explained under the unified umbrella of Adrenal Fatigue.
For example, a weak adrenal is often associated with clinical or sub-clinical dysfunction of the autonomic nervous system (ANS) and its various sub-components. Symptoms such as postural hypotension, fragile blood pressure, cardiac arrhythmias , POTS and temperature intolerance can be caused by sympathetic nervous system (SNS) dysfunction which is part of the ANS. Fainting, low body temperature, hypoglycemia and anxiety can be caused by over stimulation of the adrenomedullary hormonal system (AHS) and its chemical messenger, adrenaline. The AHS is part of the ANS. Irregular sweating can be due to dysregulation of the sympathetic cholinergic system (SCS), part of the ANS as well. Finally, gastric discomfort, leaky gut, IBS, bowl movement irregularities and urination dysfunction can be tied to over stimulation of the parasympathetic nervous system (PNS), a branch of the ANS.
Similarly, hypoglycemia, fluid retention, metabolic imbalance, low blood pressure, muscle ache, joint pain, sugar imbalance, frequent infection, IBS and CFS are regulated to a large degree by cortisol. A weak adrenal with accompanying low cortisol level can present itself with these symptoms.
Because dysfunctional adrenals affect virtually every system of the body including the central nervous system, a thorough understanding of the following areas of medicine is needed: neurology, cardiology, endocrinology and psychiatry. Most medical specialists are trained in their respective narrow scientific fields and few are experienced enough in all of the disciplines to fully comprehend the Adrenal Fatigue condition.
Unable to understand or solve the problem at the root level, most well-intentioned physicians tend to prescribe anti-depressants and anti-anxiety agents in their best attempt to help their patients. These medications are usually prescribed after basic stress reduction techniques are recommended and laboratory tests have turned out to be unremarkable. Referrals are made to endocrinologists and other specialists if the symptoms fail to resolve. Unfortunately, this is often futile. Nutritional supplementation may be recommended, but due to the lack of systematic approach, most nutrients are dispensed in a shot-gun attempt to control the symptoms rather than focused on allowing the body to use the nutrients to help heal the adrenals. As a result, the symptoms usually get worse with time.
Adrenal Exhaustion refers to Stage 3 of Adrenal Fatigue. As adrenal function is weakened further, the body’s need for adrenal hormones remains unabated if stress is not reduced. The adrenals are no longer able to keep up with the ever-increasing demand for cortisol production needed to overcome the stress and they become exhausted. Cortisol output starts to decline and this usually happens gradually. If the stressors are severe, an adrenal crash may occur, to be followed by a longer than usual recovery.
The body, at this stage of Adrenal Fatigue, has, as its primary goal, the conservation of energy to ensure survival. Systematically, the body goes into a slow-down mode and starts to break down muscle tissue to produce energy. This catabolic stage results in the breakdown of muscles and protein wasting. Chronic fatigue is common and exercise tolerance is reduced. Concurrently, chronic fibromyalgia appears. Toxic metabolites begin to accumulate throughout the body, leading to brain fog and insomnia. Depression becomes severe and constant. As this stage progresses, metabolic, immunological and neurological single organ systems dysfunction characteristic of Stage 2 Adrenal Fatigue becomes chronic (Phase A). It then spreads to involve multiple organs (Phase B). This is evidenced by multiple endocrine axis dysfunctions, including the ovarian-adrenal-thyroid axis imbalance in females and adrenal-thyroid axis imbalance in males.
Adrenal Fatigue can cause disequilibrium If not attended to, the body is further weakened and enters into a state of disequilibrium with loss of homeostasis (Phase C). As the body tries to repair itself with the limited tools it has, there are wild, exaggerated and paradoxical autonomic-driven reactions. These are characterized by adrenaline rushes, labile blood pressure, and hypoglycemic episodes after meals and anxiety attacks. A state of near adrenal failure (Phase D) eventually occurs as the body’s pool of hormones reaches a level too low to prime the adrenals. Without sufficient levels of hormones, the body goes into a full-blown shut down mode to stop as much of the non-essential functions as possible to conserve energy in order to survive. During this stage of Adrenal Fatigue, the libido is suppressed, digestion slows down and metabolic rate declines to conserve body weight. Those afflicted find themselves bed-ridden most of the time, and have energy that will last for only a short time.
What separates Stage 3 Adrenal Fatigue from earlier stages, clinically, is that the patient often cannot function smoothly throughout the day, no matter how hard he tries. The adrenal function is constantly hovering around the adrenal symptoms threshold level and the smallest stressor will often trigger an adrenal crash. Not only is recovery time taking longer but the body never fully returns to the pre-crash baseline energy level. Something is wrong and the body’s cry for help becomes louder. The productive hours of the day will progressively decrease and it is not unusual for those at this stage of Adrenal Fatigue to have only a few hours of productive time a day, while the rest of the time is spent in bed resting.
Adrenal Fatigue is a condition that has puzzled the medical community for the past 100 years. Physicians scorn to come near it because of the lack of a standardized approach and understanding of its progression and the various therapeutic options. Patients are abandoned and left on their own to self-navigate. The fact that the majority of self guided programs has failed is a warning sign that something is very wrong.
Imagine living a life where one is bed bound most of the time, exhausted from doing the simple chores of daily living, startled by simple events like the ringing of the telephone or the door bell, unexplained onset of feeling impending doom, depression, sudden anxiety attacks, heart palpitations, hypoglycemia, hypotension and insomnia. These are symptoms of severe Adrenal Fatigue which can result in total incapacitation and a debilitated state of function called the “living dead”. These symptoms are also the characteristics of the end stages of Adrenal Fatigue if left to its natural progression.
Adrenal Fatigue as a condition is much more complicated and debilitating than we think. Fortunately most will recover. The body’s stress response mechanism has sustained and ensured our survival for thousands of years. Our understanding and knowledge of this condition is at best only in its infancy. Those who are suffering or fail to recover on a timely basis should scrutinize their current recovery program to see if there is any room for improvements. Qualified professional help from those who are highly experienced should be sought out as early as possible to avoid and reverse the natural progression of this condition.
This is a few excerpts I got from https://www.drlam.com/articles/adrenalexhaustion.asp if you want to read more. And this is a good site http://www.drwilsons.com/severe-adrenal-fatigue/ if you’re interested in a treatment program.
If the increase in my magnesium keeps me out of my last flare, I will just continue with that. But if I flare up again, I think this is the next treatment I will try.
It truly is very sad that we have to try and figure all this out on our own, and most of us can’t even think straight!!!
Soooo I really wanted to stay off of here but after reading about people bringing up the impact of flagyl and flouroquinolines I would just like to share my story to help others out. Let me start with almost 2yrs years ago in a little over a month I was given over 1,250mg of flouroquinolines and over 800mg of flagyl. It is western medicine practice to give flagyl and flouroquinolines together for gi issues. Mine was a misdiagnosis but they still gave me all that crap. Now almost two years out I have been told I’m tacacardic, I have been told that the muscles except for my diaphragm are spamming when I breath which makes me gasp and feel like I’m smothering, dizzy, burning in my arms, legs and brain that is so bad I scream (super fun in public) spasms/tremors that consistently are getting worse, dropping on the left side of my face (it sometimes switches to the right), speech issues where at times I can’t even speak, I also now at times get stuck meaning I can’t move at all sometimes a few minutes to an hour. I am sure I missed some stuff but that’s the run down. I don’t have thyroid issues, I don’t have epilepsy, I am not anemic. I am in process of trying Unda it’s a detox method and should only be done by a trained professional as it is very painful but I will not give up hoping to get better. I can only afford to get magnesium and gluthione IVs which are a push not an IV drip once a month. These are FOR ME life saving IVS. I am not discounting anyone’s bad experience with gluthione but I also think it is dangerous for anyone to tell someone not to try it as we are all different. It has helped me get through this nightmare. I would say talk to a naturopath who is well versed in neurological issues or a homeopath or an Integrative Dr who leans more towards natural methods. I also would like to say when I have heart episodes or breathing episodes I use mindfulness to get through it. I use music to get me through it. It’s all still painful but mentally it keeps me going. That combined with the fact that I’m too stubborn to allow the bs that is western medicine to break me. I don’t believe that western medicine can help any of us because it takes a dr who can admit drugs do cause damage to help. In the over ten western Drs I have been to only one still helps me ONE ONE ONE. I also see a naturopath I can’t use Epsom salt, magnesium spray has zero impact, supplements don’t help at all IVs are the only thing that have had any impact. Oh I can barley walk am in my mid-30s and am now trying to deal with having to use a wheel chair because walking gets worse.
Hi Ann,
I was not aware that flagyl could terrible things like this without the help of Cipro. Its aweful.
In regard to your questions:
I took S-Acetyl-Glutathione (they say its the only orally working form). At first I got a little better and could walk short distances again. After two to three month all of my tendons became worse. Thats why i stopped the Glutathione and it became a little better. So I´m not sure if it was the glutathione or not, but I suspect it.
After month 3 floxing my hands and feet became could every day. The fall makes it worse too, besides I not able to go outside. In the morning they are quite warm and getting more cold during the day. It take a epsom salt foot bath in the evening. Then they are warm for a while.
Thankfully i do not have depression, anxiethy or sleeping problems. But have to sleep very long (9-10 hours) in order to make it through the day. And I´m very angry and have problems to accept the situation.
I have problems with my eyes like you. Do you have floaters, too?
I did not unterstand what you got in the hospital which makes you feel worse?
I believe this occurred with my mom and nearly cost her life. How do we verify or follow up on impact?
Has anyone had really trouble breathing? and how long took it before it got better? I have extremly difficulty to breath. Like im gasping for air, and like my body dosent know how to breath anymore. And also have a really hard time to swallow. I dont know what to do about it anymore.
Lisa
Link to dangers of calcium supplements.
http://www.medicinenet.com/script/main/art.asp?articlekey=198657&ecd=mnl_day_101216
Hi folks, i´m going to give you an update on my condition. As you know i was at the end of my rope and considering taking clonazepam, but in god´s grace i found homeopathy by searching the net for answers, I read a story on myoclonus and a remedy for it, the homeopathy remedy was nat sulphu, i talked to my brother who uses homeopathy and he told me where to buy it, so i bought it and took ten drops in the4 evening and went to be.
It was a miracle, i slept almost six hours, but the following days were a mixed bag, sometimes i slept weel and other times is struggled. I continued studying remedies and found kali phos, so i bought some drops and started taking them also, they are for nerve regeneration, at that time a friedn told me his brothers wife was studying homeopathy and that o should talk to her.
I talked to her and she told me she would look into it and find a remedy, she gave me agaricus, i researched it and found ti is the common homeopathic remedy for my condition.
I am sleeping better, sometimes i don´t sleep great and i am fine tuning it with my diet and behaviuoral conditioning, i don´t use the computer much and i do more meditation.
I am on a restricted diet necause i found foods agravate my condition.
My diet is this,
breakfast. sweet potaote with a banana, a spoon of bee pollen and two poons of coconut oil.
for lunch itps fish or organinc chicken with rice, i usually stema my foor and adds some onion and garlic for flavor.
i drink water.
i don´t eat salt of sugar.
that is what i eat everyday. i never change it much, it has worked because it is kess of a burden on my brain,
I have nocturnal myoclonus,
P.S. ciporfloxed, the answer to your question is no, i have never had numbness in my extremities, but i can tell you it is a circulatory problem, you should massage and rub your armas and legs, drink plenty of mint tea and avoid gluten, eat foods that promote circulation, onion and garlic in your food are good for circulation, vitmain E helps restore damaged circulation.
I thank you all kindly and may god bless you in your journey.
I spend most of my time praying, i pray for everyone that you may all heal and find peace.