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I have read a lot about Boran and how it helps flush out fluoride. The fluoroquinolones (Poison) contains this fluoride. I understand that drinking 1/4- 1/8 teaspoon of Boran mixed in 1 litre of pure water is the recommended dose.
I need to ask people here who have tried this and did it benefit them in anyway. I’m having bad joint pain especially in my shoulder blades. From having the mix how much of that 1 litre do you consume on a daily basis?
David pollard
7 years ago
Just to sum up. Avoid all steroids . Steroids leach the magnesium out of you at the cellular level. Nothing causes tendon rupture faster than having been on steroids. Magnesium deficiency is the root cause of ALL the symptoms referred to in chats before this one.
You need two parts calcium to one part magnesium to avoid sitting on a toilet all day.
Everything. Neuropathy, heart issues, memory , tendonitits , seizures, twitches, are all magnesium related. If you do nothing else, take at least 900 mg a day of magnesium and calcium combo. I took Cipro for three months to control a prostate infection. I’ve had it all. Magnesium management got me out of a wheelchair and back to work after four months of suffering. I’ve seen extremely competent physicians who quickly identified the toxicity and supported me through the ordeal with , and I will say it again. MAGNESIUM I’m almost 100 percent recovered. David in Toronto.
David pollard
7 years ago
Hi Doug. I’m taking a Calcium Magnesium supplement available at GNC health stores in Ontario. Calcium 333 mg. magnesium 137 mg. Recommended by a Doctor of Pharmacology, health practitioner, doctor, integrative medicine specialist, all familiar with Cipro toxicity. I was disabled for several months and had to stop working.
I take five caplets a day. Citrate is one very small component of this supplement.
Please do some research on magnesium deficiency. Severe Magnesium deficiency is characterized by neuropathy, severe tendonitis, muscle spasms, cramps, anxiety, sleep issues, depression, heart issues, tremors ( twitching) I had all these symptoms and am now 90 percent recovered. I took Cipro for months.
I’m not saying other supplements like Vitamin B complex, vitamin c, glucosamine chondroitine won’t help repair the damage to connective tissue already done. But the root cause is magnesuim depletion by Cipro at the mitochondrial level.
D Snyder
7 years ago
Was just wondering how many people can use NSAIDS after being “floxed”. I have taken aspirin for a couple of days and my symptoms have worsened . I only took a total of 3 or 4. I am about 14 mos. into my recovery. Is it ever safe to take them again? Tylenol doesn’t work for me at all so what alternatives do I have for things like headaches or backaches?
Daniela
7 years ago
Good news for floxies worried about dental anesthesia! Septocaine destroyed my life and I have gone for several years with three broken teeth. Finally found a dentist willing to work without anesthesia. Relative to floxing, the “pain” was a big NOTHING!
The best part was, when everything was finished, no injection site pain, no accidentally biting oneself. I just got up and walked away as if I had never been there in the first place. Plus the dentist who works this way was very cheap!
Here is an excerpt from the ncbi nlm nih gov article on dental anesthesia Septocaine :
“A patient with no history of atopy had two anesthetic injections, one of 2% lignocaine with 1:80,000 adrenaline for a root canal procedure and another of articaine chlorhydrate (marketed as Septanest® in France and as Septocaine® in the US) for a tooth extraction. On the first occasion, a few seconds after the injection, the patient experienced abdominal pain, tachycardia, burning paresthesia on the feet, hands and face, hypertension, hyperpnea, tachypnea, and severe anxiety.
The same anesthetic (lignocaine) had been given a few days before without any adverse effect. Thus, the cumulative dose of local anesthetic could have led to systemic toxicity. As Lemay and et al13 reported “… a medication can be tolerated for a significant period of time before causing an accident”. For example, in a different case, a patient had been given the same amount of the same preparation as Ultracain D-Suprarenin® 2 and 10 months earlier without any adverse effects.6
The second event (with Septocaine) occurred 9 months later. Septanest was administered without noradrenaline, following the recommendation of a cardiologist. However, the patient experienced the same symptoms and some additional symptoms including muscle pain, a sensation of heat, especially on the face, partial paralysis of feet, hands and throat, headache, dizziness, a loss of spatial orientation, and dysphonia. Tachycardia was less intense, but still present. The patient required admission to the emergency ward.”
Hello everyone! I just got back from my new doctor he is great and pretty much on the same page as me. The docs at age management help floxies.
Heather
7 years ago
Hi everyone, I was floxed 4 and a half years ago. Have been on and off this site. I had a lot of improvement since the beginning but I still have a lot of pain. I believe it is both neurological( receptors damaged) and connective tissue damage. I gave birth a year ago and between labor and carrying around the baby my pain level is killing me. I take some supplements and Epsom salt baths, heat and ice packs. Benadryl and Xanax can both help with the pain some but I’m sleepy as it is with a baby. Just a few questions…. Did anyone have any tests showing connective tissue damage? Not necessarily tendons but tissue that gets less blood flow? It feel like I’m full of cracking scar tissue. Second any pain management recommendations? If I didn’t have to carry a heavy child around it wouldn’t be as bad but there’s no alternative there. Lastly I have a new primary Dr. What is the best thing to print out to give him? He said fibromyalgia etc etc but I don’t think he really is aware of the fluiroquinolone damage that can be done and it’s hard to explain when you don’t know exactly what the damage is( neurological, musculoskeletal etc) Any suggestions greatly appreciated. Also Daniela I can’t use lidocaine’s/mepivacaine either, I had to give birth without an epidural and have dental work without anything. You would think there would be alternatives.
Daniela
7 years ago
Well said!
Kurt
7 years ago
Has anyone tried Metanx for Neuropathy? It’s a prescription medical food.
Stephanie
7 years ago
I was poisoned by Cipro 3 weeks ago. I will not go into my whole story. My symptoms are Achilles tendon pain/tightness, on and off pain in shoulders/wrists, burning, coldness, swelling in ankles and feet, muscle twitches (but this has gotten better). In my quest to find out what is going on, I came back positive for Rheumatoid Arthritis. I am having a hard time finding a doctor/specialist who knows anything about Cipro toxicity. My doctors feel like I am crazy. I read that steroids can make this worse after my doctor put me on one. It did make the muscle twitches and sensations worse. Right now the only thing that helps with the pain is Meloxicam. But, I have read on this site that you should not take anything in the NSAID family. I have a few questions.
1. if Meloxicam is helping the pain, should I still not take it?
2. What type of doctor should I see? (I have an appointment in a month with a rheumatologist and have had an ultra sound on my tendons which I was told they look fine)
3. An EMG was recommended for my burning/cold in my feet. But, I feel my nerves are over
sensitive and this test will be very painful. Has anyone found this test helpful?
4. I heard of several types of Magnesium recommended. Which is best?
5. I have not driven since this happened due to pain but also nervous I will hurt my Achilles tendon. Does anyone find driving made their tendon worse?
Stephanie
7 years ago
Thanks Bob. Going with question 4 above. Had anyone tried Magnesium flakes. I have intestinal reactions to magnesium and thought this might be a option?
Jane
7 years ago
Dr Carolyn Dean sells all sorts of magnesium and adrenal support supplements.
Stephanie
7 years ago
Throwing out this question again…
I tried driving today with my tendonitis wearing an ACE ankle brace. It still hurt quite a bit. I am a teacher and am able to work (although I am exhausted and have swollen feet by the end of the day). My job is a 30 minute drive away and I am putting a lot of stress on my family to have to drive me everywhere. My question is…
Has anyone with tendonitis pain found a way to drive? Is there a brace you would recommend?
Jane
7 years ago
Vit B12 injections are helping the peripheral neuropathy also Vit D3 and BCo.
D3 on its own increases neuropathy as it uses up any stored Vit B12 in the liver.
Jane
7 years ago
I am self injecting with hyroxocobalamin and it is helping the neuropathic pain.
Jane
7 years ago
URGENT.
Has anyone had any allergy tests at a hospital , if so what is involved? I am scared of having any done and the appointment is for tomorrow.
Ned
7 years ago
I am almost 22 months out fro a cipro floxing and still wake up with anxiety attacks. My main concern now is how much I do not want to reach out to others or do very much. L said quite a while ago that she felt that way for 15-17 months after her floxing. I am 68 so mine may be worse. Is anyone else experiencing this anti social anxiety or something like it? Would appreciate any feedback. Ned
Jane
7 years ago
Ned It is horrible but will lessen. I was ringing up the Samaritans, Crisis Lines etc, No support from the dr of course. CBT, Mindfullness, yoga, meditation, breathing exercises are very useful as they re set the brain.
Good sleep hyjiene etc.
Ned
7 years ago
Thank you all for your kind replies. I will try the lemon balm, curcumin and ashwaganda and look into mindfulness meditation
Kurt
7 years ago
Hi all,
I’m 2 years out, and am experiencing some weirdness with my hands. I already have numbness in my toes/feet for the past couple years, but in the last month my hands & fingers have started tingling. Also in the last month the skin on my hands feels different. Softer? smoother, hard to describe. The tingling has calmed down somewhat, but my hands still feel weird. I’m really getting scared!! Has anyone else experience anything like this? Any feedback would be greatly appreciated. Thanks!
I have read a lot about Boran and how it helps flush out fluoride. The fluoroquinolones (Poison) contains this fluoride. I understand that drinking 1/4- 1/8 teaspoon of Boran mixed in 1 litre of pure water is the recommended dose.
I need to ask people here who have tried this and did it benefit them in anyway. I’m having bad joint pain especially in my shoulder blades. From having the mix how much of that 1 litre do you consume on a daily basis?
Just to sum up. Avoid all steroids . Steroids leach the magnesium out of you at the cellular level. Nothing causes tendon rupture faster than having been on steroids. Magnesium deficiency is the root cause of ALL the symptoms referred to in chats before this one.
You need two parts calcium to one part magnesium to avoid sitting on a toilet all day.
Everything. Neuropathy, heart issues, memory , tendonitits , seizures, twitches, are all magnesium related. If you do nothing else, take at least 900 mg a day of magnesium and calcium combo. I took Cipro for three months to control a prostate infection. I’ve had it all. Magnesium management got me out of a wheelchair and back to work after four months of suffering. I’ve seen extremely competent physicians who quickly identified the toxicity and supported me through the ordeal with , and I will say it again. MAGNESIUM I’m almost 100 percent recovered. David in Toronto.
Hi Doug. I’m taking a Calcium Magnesium supplement available at GNC health stores in Ontario. Calcium 333 mg. magnesium 137 mg. Recommended by a Doctor of Pharmacology, health practitioner, doctor, integrative medicine specialist, all familiar with Cipro toxicity. I was disabled for several months and had to stop working.
I take five caplets a day. Citrate is one very small component of this supplement.
Please do some research on magnesium deficiency. Severe Magnesium deficiency is characterized by neuropathy, severe tendonitis, muscle spasms, cramps, anxiety, sleep issues, depression, heart issues, tremors ( twitching) I had all these symptoms and am now 90 percent recovered. I took Cipro for months.
I’m not saying other supplements like Vitamin B complex, vitamin c, glucosamine chondroitine won’t help repair the damage to connective tissue already done. But the root cause is magnesuim depletion by Cipro at the mitochondrial level.
Was just wondering how many people can use NSAIDS after being “floxed”. I have taken aspirin for a couple of days and my symptoms have worsened . I only took a total of 3 or 4. I am about 14 mos. into my recovery. Is it ever safe to take them again? Tylenol doesn’t work for me at all so what alternatives do I have for things like headaches or backaches?
Good news for floxies worried about dental anesthesia! Septocaine destroyed my life and I have gone for several years with three broken teeth. Finally found a dentist willing to work without anesthesia. Relative to floxing, the “pain” was a big NOTHING!
The best part was, when everything was finished, no injection site pain, no accidentally biting oneself. I just got up and walked away as if I had never been there in the first place. Plus the dentist who works this way was very cheap!
Here is an excerpt from the ncbi nlm nih gov article on dental anesthesia Septocaine :
“A patient with no history of atopy had two anesthetic injections, one of 2% lignocaine with 1:80,000 adrenaline for a root canal procedure and another of articaine chlorhydrate (marketed as Septanest® in France and as Septocaine® in the US) for a tooth extraction. On the first occasion, a few seconds after the injection, the patient experienced abdominal pain, tachycardia, burning paresthesia on the feet, hands and face, hypertension, hyperpnea, tachypnea, and severe anxiety.
The same anesthetic (lignocaine) had been given a few days before without any adverse effect. Thus, the cumulative dose of local anesthetic could have led to systemic toxicity. As Lemay and et al13 reported “… a medication can be tolerated for a significant period of time before causing an accident”. For example, in a different case, a patient had been given the same amount of the same preparation as Ultracain D-Suprarenin® 2 and 10 months earlier without any adverse effects.6
The second event (with Septocaine) occurred 9 months later. Septanest was administered without noradrenaline, following the recommendation of a cardiologist. However, the patient experienced the same symptoms and some additional symptoms including muscle pain, a sensation of heat, especially on the face, partial paralysis of feet, hands and throat, headache, dizziness, a loss of spatial orientation, and dysphonia. Tachycardia was less intense, but still present. The patient required admission to the emergency ward.”
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3417971/
Hello everyone! I just got back from my new doctor he is great and pretty much on the same page as me. The docs at age management help floxies.
Hi everyone, I was floxed 4 and a half years ago. Have been on and off this site. I had a lot of improvement since the beginning but I still have a lot of pain. I believe it is both neurological( receptors damaged) and connective tissue damage. I gave birth a year ago and between labor and carrying around the baby my pain level is killing me. I take some supplements and Epsom salt baths, heat and ice packs. Benadryl and Xanax can both help with the pain some but I’m sleepy as it is with a baby. Just a few questions…. Did anyone have any tests showing connective tissue damage? Not necessarily tendons but tissue that gets less blood flow? It feel like I’m full of cracking scar tissue. Second any pain management recommendations? If I didn’t have to carry a heavy child around it wouldn’t be as bad but there’s no alternative there. Lastly I have a new primary Dr. What is the best thing to print out to give him? He said fibromyalgia etc etc but I don’t think he really is aware of the fluiroquinolone damage that can be done and it’s hard to explain when you don’t know exactly what the damage is( neurological, musculoskeletal etc) Any suggestions greatly appreciated. Also Daniela I can’t use lidocaine’s/mepivacaine either, I had to give birth without an epidural and have dental work without anything. You would think there would be alternatives.
Well said!
Has anyone tried Metanx for Neuropathy? It’s a prescription medical food.
I was poisoned by Cipro 3 weeks ago. I will not go into my whole story. My symptoms are Achilles tendon pain/tightness, on and off pain in shoulders/wrists, burning, coldness, swelling in ankles and feet, muscle twitches (but this has gotten better). In my quest to find out what is going on, I came back positive for Rheumatoid Arthritis. I am having a hard time finding a doctor/specialist who knows anything about Cipro toxicity. My doctors feel like I am crazy. I read that steroids can make this worse after my doctor put me on one. It did make the muscle twitches and sensations worse. Right now the only thing that helps with the pain is Meloxicam. But, I have read on this site that you should not take anything in the NSAID family. I have a few questions.
1. if Meloxicam is helping the pain, should I still not take it?
2. What type of doctor should I see? (I have an appointment in a month with a rheumatologist and have had an ultra sound on my tendons which I was told they look fine)
3. An EMG was recommended for my burning/cold in my feet. But, I feel my nerves are over
sensitive and this test will be very painful. Has anyone found this test helpful?
4. I heard of several types of Magnesium recommended. Which is best?
5. I have not driven since this happened due to pain but also nervous I will hurt my Achilles tendon. Does anyone find driving made their tendon worse?
Thanks Bob. Going with question 4 above. Had anyone tried Magnesium flakes. I have intestinal reactions to magnesium and thought this might be a option?
Dr Carolyn Dean sells all sorts of magnesium and adrenal support supplements.
Throwing out this question again…
I tried driving today with my tendonitis wearing an ACE ankle brace. It still hurt quite a bit. I am a teacher and am able to work (although I am exhausted and have swollen feet by the end of the day). My job is a 30 minute drive away and I am putting a lot of stress on my family to have to drive me everywhere. My question is…
Has anyone with tendonitis pain found a way to drive? Is there a brace you would recommend?
Vit B12 injections are helping the peripheral neuropathy also Vit D3 and BCo.
D3 on its own increases neuropathy as it uses up any stored Vit B12 in the liver.
I am self injecting with hyroxocobalamin and it is helping the neuropathic pain.
URGENT.
Has anyone had any allergy tests at a hospital , if so what is involved? I am scared of having any done and the appointment is for tomorrow.
I am almost 22 months out fro a cipro floxing and still wake up with anxiety attacks. My main concern now is how much I do not want to reach out to others or do very much. L said quite a while ago that she felt that way for 15-17 months after her floxing. I am 68 so mine may be worse. Is anyone else experiencing this anti social anxiety or something like it? Would appreciate any feedback. Ned
Ned It is horrible but will lessen. I was ringing up the Samaritans, Crisis Lines etc, No support from the dr of course. CBT, Mindfullness, yoga, meditation, breathing exercises are very useful as they re set the brain.
Good sleep hyjiene etc.
Thank you all for your kind replies. I will try the lemon balm, curcumin and ashwaganda and look into mindfulness meditation
Hi all,
I’m 2 years out, and am experiencing some weirdness with my hands. I already have numbness in my toes/feet for the past couple years, but in the last month my hands & fingers have started tingling. Also in the last month the skin on my hands feels different. Softer? smoother, hard to describe. The tingling has calmed down somewhat, but my hands still feel weird. I’m really getting scared!! Has anyone else experience anything like this? Any feedback would be greatly appreciated. Thanks!