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Andrea
6 years ago
Hey Ray, I’m Andrea.
I’m happy to hear you’re feeling better now. But reading your story, as everyone else’s story I’ve read, made feel really sad and angry. I too was prescribed FQ for a “suspected” UTI. Actually that doctor, already knew there was no UTI, but “according to the protocol” you have to prescribe it, even if there’s no infection…these morons.
I too have many problems with my bladder/urethra. That of course, only increased after the FQ, funny isn’t it?
Anyway, from the exams I’ve done, I’m probably suffering from a bladder neck sclerosis. And also my bladder is “weak”. Doesn’t “push” too well. I don’t want to get surgery, because of the unpleasant side effects that this procedure involves ( dry ejaculation), plus, I’m not really sure it’s going to bring real improvements in my case. If you dont’ mind, can I ask you what have you noticed after the bladder neck incision, and what were your symptoms before the surgery, and if you find it helpful?
Thanks a lot.
Seems that some blood pressure medications have been found to contain a carcinogen.
The contaminated drugs were made at a lab in China. They were then repackaged by pharmaceutical companies worldwide.
If you are using a medication to help control your blood pressure for your safety check into this.
Interesting how the FDA appears to be so quick to take action over this particular class of drugs but is rather lackadaisical about Fluoroquinolones.
Andrea
6 years ago
Hey Ray, I’m answering your question here.
I’ve done urodynamics, Cystoscopy and Cystography. From these exams it seems like I have a bladder neck that’s too rigid and a slight stricture in my urethra. Now every doctor I went to, told me a different thing. Once again, these morons…One told me to get the surgery, another one told me that there was nothing wrong with me, and it was probably “all in my head”, expecially because “there’re no proofs that FQs cause these symptoms”, and the other one said to do nothing and just keep the things the way they are.
I’ve a constant pain in my groin area, and sometimes it’s difficoult to urinate and expecially to empty my bladder. I’m taking an alpha blocker right now ( wich can be consideren a blood pressure drug, thanks for the info Don M.) but with very few results. If it wasn’t for the bladder issues, I will consider myself 80% healed with some occasional relapse (joint pain, low blood sugar, low energy) but most of the time I feel “good”
carolyn
6 years ago
whatever you do please do not have a mesh instilled.
Don M
6 years ago
Andrea…………. Are you aware of Beta Sitosterol? It is a supplement that helps to stop the inflammation and swelling of the prostate. I use it and D-Mannose. D-Mannose used intermittently acts as a prophylactic to keep the urinary tract slippery so that bacteria will not stick to the walls. I also use another UTI combo supplement that contains……. Vit C, D-Mannose, Bromelain, Cranberry Juice Powder, Cayenne Pepper and Kyo-Dophilus.
Kyo-Dophilus® is formulated with three specially cultured, human, non-dairy, heat-stable, stomach acid resistant strains of beneficial bacteria.
Using this combination I have been able to stabilize my UT problems somewhat.
Ray
6 years ago
There’s so many of us with similar issues. Cranberry juice didn’t do a thing for me. I think it changes the ph of your urine so might ease symptoms like cystitis. D Mannose can only help if your infection is caused by e coli if i remember correctly, gave me beautiful crystal clear pee though. If you have a serious UTI you’ll know about it and the only thing that will work is antibiotics. Although I’m anti-pharmaceutical, if anyone gets a serious UTI you’ll need antibiotics no matter what, the last thing you want is kidney problems or worse, septis. A serious UTI is when you feel like you’ve got a bad flu – hot and cold sweats, shivers, pain the bladder area or side, passing smelly, cloudy, pus-like, or bloody urine.
Andrea, I hope your neurological issues will dissipate in time, I had lots of nerve issues but they went away, so I put that down to cipro. But the obstruction (or ‘mechanical’ issues I called mine) will probably need surgery. I had a pelvic MRI which revealed two cysts around my bladder, but the cystoscopy didn’t show that. If you stay in the UK push for an MRI scan.
Ray
6 years ago
My stomach pain was so bad I ultimately lost 2 stone.
I had an endoscopy (upper gastrointestinal endoscopy) done and it revealed a little bit of barrett’s esophagus (that’s very serious and can lead to oesophageal cancer), most heavy coffee drinkers or smokers have it but will never know, those with long-term acid reflux will probably have it too, and Gastritis (stomach inflammation) which I blame the cipro for.
The doctor said stop drinking coffee, stop smoking and take omeprazole (or another PPI) for the rest of my life. I tried omeprazole for one week, read the list of serious side-effects and thought no way! It didn’t get rid of the pain and there was no real proof that my stomach was producing too much or too little acid anyway.
A few months later the pain will still excruciating, I couldn’t cope. I would even get pain drinking water (WTF?). I went to see another older, more experienced Gastroenterologist. He said the barrett’s esophagus was so small (1cm) that it shouldn’t be causing that much pain. The biopsy showed no-grade (it wasn’t precancerous, thank god). But he did say it’s probably a bacterial issue.
That’s when it hit me. It’s a bacterial issue. Hence the live probiotics, live fermented foods and live fermented drinks. I’d say that’s what cured my stomach. It takes months/years to repopulate the gut after cipro. I think kefir milk is the best because it clings to the gut/intestine walls. Kefir water for example, just gets flushed out, it’s good but it’s nowhere near as powerful as kefir milk. That and taking apple cider vinegar and sauerkraut for months saved my stomach.
I mentioned kefir and fermented foods to the gastroenterologist and he didn’t have a clue what I was talking about.
Anyway, I hope someone benefits from my years of pain, suffering and my near bankruptcy, that’s why I’m posting here.
Andrea
6 years ago
Hey guys, does any of you know something about quercetin? I was reading that it’s helpful for treating chronic pelvic pain, but I also read this : “It is important to know that quercetin is contraindicated with a class of antibiotics such called quinolones. Quercetin may decrease these drugs’ effectiveness. Commonly prescribed quinolones include Cipro, Levaquin, Floxin, and Avelox.” any thoughts or experience about it? thanks
Andrea
6 years ago
Hey Lila.
I can’t really tell you what to do, because something that helped me could be detrimental for you. I can give you some of the most basic advices many floxies gave me when I first came to this site. Avoid caffeine. Supplement with magnesium. Clean up your diet. Most floxies develop food intolerance, so try to figure out what’s good and what’s bad for you. As a rule of thumb, the more fruits and veggies the better. At least in my expereince. Try to get as much antioxidant in your body as possible. From real food. Avoid any sugar, soda or junk food in general. Buy organic food if you can afford it . For your digestive issues, try supplementing with a good probiotic or even better eat fermented food (homemade milk kefir, sauerkraut etc.).Try to expose your bare skin at least 30 minutes to the sun. Vitamin D is crucial. Avoid stress, and tell the people around you that you need support, since what happened to you is a serious issue. Besides this, I can’t really tell you much more. If you have any particular question, just ask. I’ll answer if a can.
James J
6 years ago
Is Anyone feeling their skin might has thinned out? And all the tissues laying under it? Has anyone heard of a recovery story from that one?
Lila
6 years ago
Hi guys,
@kelhatesfq : I’ve tried to reduce some food which are hard to digest but i’ve waisted to much weight (from 47kg to 43kg in 2 months), I have to take back organic animals proteins to avoid anorexia. Since I’ve not noticed any reason to my digestive problems. Some days, everything is fine. Then, the next day, my upper stomach seems heavy and hard fatigue come back.
Also, I’ve stopped taking magnesium for the last 2 days; maybe it didn’t help.
How long did you take magnesium? and also how long does your fatigue last since your entire recovery?
@Andrea : thanks for your reply. I’m fighting till 2 months with the help of supplements (coQ10; vitamins complex B; magnesium (which I stopped 2 days ago…should I?); transdermal magnesium,).Never drunk coffee or ate junk food. Neither alcohol or cigarets…
I eat really healthy, well I think (lots of fruits, vegetables, chicken meat one time a week; 4 eggs per week; no more red meat (so sad because i love it).
I took probiotics for 1 months but these didn’t help me with my diarrhea.
What help me is a mix of essential oils to cure dysbios/candida…
I admit I’m kinda lost with all this process since I don’t know if supplements really help or if they are more disturbing the body to cure on itself…
At the same time, I feel that if I stopped everything, my body won’t be able to work…
Sorry for all my questions but I’m quite lost….for now…:)
Lila
Anna
6 years ago
Has anyone here experienced eye inflammation, resulting in light sensitivity and eye stiffness, also pain behind the eyes?
Has anyone experienced aging of the skin on the face?
Don and Henk. Thanks for info on collidial silver for ears. I have 2 different bottles here at home. A spray to spray on mouth and liquid to take a teaspoon orally. Should I just use that in my ear??
One is 115 mcg per teaspoon and one is 350 mcg per dose. Would either of those be ok to drop in my ear???
Ray
6 years ago
Coconut Oil is Pure Poison says Harvard Professor
“It is feted as a healthy choice but the oil, which is high in saturated fat, is ‘one of the worst things you can eat’ says expert”
Every month or so I post to remind people that all the new research clearly indicates that we have suffered a magnesium deficiency at the mitochondrial level. I recovered rapidly under the care of experienced physicians who prescribed magnesium rich diet and regimen magnesium therapy. Check symptoms of magnesium deficiency on line. This is what you’re experiencing. Stop all this health food nonsense. Most suggestions are all over the map.
Ray
6 years ago
You are so, so lucky, that you found an experienced physician who took you seriously and went that extra step to find out it was magnesium deficiency.
I told my doctor everything, she said take probiotics and you’d be fine. It was left at that. She genuinely didn’t know. She is only a general practitioner after all.
I like your post Dave, I hope people listen. But you understand when you are ‘floxed’ and feel like you’re dying, your friends and family don’t understand, you’ll do anything to get yourself better.
Once I was able to get back online and do some research I realised the fluorine in cipro binds to bone and displaces magnesium (and a bit caclium).
But taking magnesium in everyway we can just didn’t seem enough and certainly not just from food, especially when your stomach is so fkd up you can’t drink water let alone lots of magnesium rich foods.
Can you elaborate on regimen magnesium therapy? The only thing I could think of was magnesium tablets, magnesium baths and soap and oil which I was having every day in some way.
Ray
6 years ago
Thanks for your reply Barbara, and I will check out her website in detail, I’d like to learn more. Thankfully I am recovered but it took 2 years of my life. But occasionally I ask myself am I fully recovered (mentally). Thanks again,
Anna
6 years ago
It has been a month and a half since taking Cipro. The week after, I had popping joints, blood vessels bursting, sharp leg pains and all that went away. I took salt baths, and 900mg of Mag. Glycinate everyday. More importantly, I made myself exercise, I lightly jogged everyday, which really hurt. I was careful not to do an incline to add tendon stress. I would feel spider veins popping, and after a 35 min jog I would see blood spots around my knee. I was scared, but I pushed through it, praying the whole time. I know that jogging pushed the symptoms out, but I am not sure why. I would say exercise was more helpful than anything else. I don’t want to tell someone to push through severe tendon pain, because you do need to listen to your body, but don’t give up on the first ache or pang either. Now 1.5 months later, I only am having occasional ache or feeling of inflammation behind the eye. So far, exercise and time are the best treatments that I’ve so far noticed, and also keeping a positive attitude and staying busy and goal oriented as much as possible. I think you all will get better, depending on your condition prior to this and how much you took, it may just take longer than it does for some who took less. I am so sorry to everyone this has happened to. Just try to not let it take you away from those you love, what you love, and your overall direction in life.
Ray
6 years ago
Hi Lila
I’m sorry to hear that, i know it’s hell. I was fatigued for months, I had no energy but I had to do some work (from home) and walk my dog every day. I bought ‘NT factors energy lipid powder’ and it did give me energy, I only bought one tub, it was expensive. I also bought Match green tea for a caffeine hit, but that has side effects too like sore stomach or mild panic attack.
I took 2 good walks every day and when I felt really tired I would lie down for an hour and have a rest. I’d then force myself to do a little exercise. As the months went on it did ease off and I could go through the day without being exhausted.
I wish I could help you more, it will get in better in time.
Anna
6 years ago
I swear exercise helped the body issues so much. I could feel all symptoms worsening when my heart rate went up and I was exercising, lots of pangs, stabbing pains. I know they say the medicine is out of the system in 3 days, leaving you with only damage of when it passed through, but I’m not sure about that. It really seems like sweating and accelerated heart rate was running it out of the tissues. Each day, each jog, I was improving. I had severe body/joint/muscle issues for weeks and it is completely gone. As I said, I only have lingering, yet improving, eye ache. I do still take the Magnesium too, just no more salt baths. Magnesium+Vit D+Daily Vitamin, and that’s all. I will eventually quit it all, except for the daily.
Hey Ray, I’m Andrea.
I’m happy to hear you’re feeling better now. But reading your story, as everyone else’s story I’ve read, made feel really sad and angry. I too was prescribed FQ for a “suspected” UTI. Actually that doctor, already knew there was no UTI, but “according to the protocol” you have to prescribe it, even if there’s no infection…these morons.
I too have many problems with my bladder/urethra. That of course, only increased after the FQ, funny isn’t it?
Anyway, from the exams I’ve done, I’m probably suffering from a bladder neck sclerosis. And also my bladder is “weak”. Doesn’t “push” too well. I don’t want to get surgery, because of the unpleasant side effects that this procedure involves ( dry ejaculation), plus, I’m not really sure it’s going to bring real improvements in my case. If you dont’ mind, can I ask you what have you noticed after the bladder neck incision, and what were your symptoms before the surgery, and if you find it helpful?
Thanks a lot.
An alert that all should know about. Do you take blood pressure medication? If you do read this…………….. https://www.faithfamilyamerica.com/fda_recall_of_blood_pressure_drug_worsens_more_drugs_included_as_scary_details_revealed?utm_source=FFA&utm_medium=facebook
Seems that some blood pressure medications have been found to contain a carcinogen.
The contaminated drugs were made at a lab in China. They were then repackaged by pharmaceutical companies worldwide.
If you are using a medication to help control your blood pressure for your safety check into this.
Interesting how the FDA appears to be so quick to take action over this particular class of drugs but is rather lackadaisical about Fluoroquinolones.
Hey Ray, I’m answering your question here.
I’ve done urodynamics, Cystoscopy and Cystography. From these exams it seems like I have a bladder neck that’s too rigid and a slight stricture in my urethra. Now every doctor I went to, told me a different thing. Once again, these morons…One told me to get the surgery, another one told me that there was nothing wrong with me, and it was probably “all in my head”, expecially because “there’re no proofs that FQs cause these symptoms”, and the other one said to do nothing and just keep the things the way they are.
I’ve a constant pain in my groin area, and sometimes it’s difficoult to urinate and expecially to empty my bladder. I’m taking an alpha blocker right now ( wich can be consideren a blood pressure drug, thanks for the info Don M.) but with very few results. If it wasn’t for the bladder issues, I will consider myself 80% healed with some occasional relapse (joint pain, low blood sugar, low energy) but most of the time I feel “good”
whatever you do please do not have a mesh instilled.
Andrea…………. Are you aware of Beta Sitosterol? It is a supplement that helps to stop the inflammation and swelling of the prostate. I use it and D-Mannose. D-Mannose used intermittently acts as a prophylactic to keep the urinary tract slippery so that bacteria will not stick to the walls. I also use another UTI combo supplement that contains……. Vit C, D-Mannose, Bromelain, Cranberry Juice Powder, Cayenne Pepper and Kyo-Dophilus.
Kyo-Dophilus® is formulated with three specially cultured, human, non-dairy, heat-stable, stomach acid resistant strains of beneficial bacteria.
Using this combination I have been able to stabilize my UT problems somewhat.
There’s so many of us with similar issues. Cranberry juice didn’t do a thing for me. I think it changes the ph of your urine so might ease symptoms like cystitis. D Mannose can only help if your infection is caused by e coli if i remember correctly, gave me beautiful crystal clear pee though. If you have a serious UTI you’ll know about it and the only thing that will work is antibiotics. Although I’m anti-pharmaceutical, if anyone gets a serious UTI you’ll need antibiotics no matter what, the last thing you want is kidney problems or worse, septis. A serious UTI is when you feel like you’ve got a bad flu – hot and cold sweats, shivers, pain the bladder area or side, passing smelly, cloudy, pus-like, or bloody urine.
Andrea, I hope your neurological issues will dissipate in time, I had lots of nerve issues but they went away, so I put that down to cipro. But the obstruction (or ‘mechanical’ issues I called mine) will probably need surgery. I had a pelvic MRI which revealed two cysts around my bladder, but the cystoscopy didn’t show that. If you stay in the UK push for an MRI scan.
My stomach pain was so bad I ultimately lost 2 stone.
I had an endoscopy (upper gastrointestinal endoscopy) done and it revealed a little bit of barrett’s esophagus (that’s very serious and can lead to oesophageal cancer), most heavy coffee drinkers or smokers have it but will never know, those with long-term acid reflux will probably have it too, and Gastritis (stomach inflammation) which I blame the cipro for.
The doctor said stop drinking coffee, stop smoking and take omeprazole (or another PPI) for the rest of my life. I tried omeprazole for one week, read the list of serious side-effects and thought no way! It didn’t get rid of the pain and there was no real proof that my stomach was producing too much or too little acid anyway.
A few months later the pain will still excruciating, I couldn’t cope. I would even get pain drinking water (WTF?). I went to see another older, more experienced Gastroenterologist. He said the barrett’s esophagus was so small (1cm) that it shouldn’t be causing that much pain. The biopsy showed no-grade (it wasn’t precancerous, thank god). But he did say it’s probably a bacterial issue.
That’s when it hit me. It’s a bacterial issue. Hence the live probiotics, live fermented foods and live fermented drinks. I’d say that’s what cured my stomach. It takes months/years to repopulate the gut after cipro. I think kefir milk is the best because it clings to the gut/intestine walls. Kefir water for example, just gets flushed out, it’s good but it’s nowhere near as powerful as kefir milk. That and taking apple cider vinegar and sauerkraut for months saved my stomach.
I mentioned kefir and fermented foods to the gastroenterologist and he didn’t have a clue what I was talking about.
Anyway, I hope someone benefits from my years of pain, suffering and my near bankruptcy, that’s why I’m posting here.
Hey guys, does any of you know something about quercetin? I was reading that it’s helpful for treating chronic pelvic pain, but I also read this : “It is important to know that quercetin is contraindicated with a class of antibiotics such called quinolones. Quercetin may decrease these drugs’ effectiveness. Commonly prescribed quinolones include Cipro, Levaquin, Floxin, and Avelox.” any thoughts or experience about it? thanks
Hey Lila.
I can’t really tell you what to do, because something that helped me could be detrimental for you. I can give you some of the most basic advices many floxies gave me when I first came to this site. Avoid caffeine. Supplement with magnesium. Clean up your diet. Most floxies develop food intolerance, so try to figure out what’s good and what’s bad for you. As a rule of thumb, the more fruits and veggies the better. At least in my expereince. Try to get as much antioxidant in your body as possible. From real food. Avoid any sugar, soda or junk food in general. Buy organic food if you can afford it . For your digestive issues, try supplementing with a good probiotic or even better eat fermented food (homemade milk kefir, sauerkraut etc.).Try to expose your bare skin at least 30 minutes to the sun. Vitamin D is crucial. Avoid stress, and tell the people around you that you need support, since what happened to you is a serious issue. Besides this, I can’t really tell you much more. If you have any particular question, just ask. I’ll answer if a can.
Is Anyone feeling their skin might has thinned out? And all the tissues laying under it? Has anyone heard of a recovery story from that one?
Hi guys,
@kelhatesfq : I’ve tried to reduce some food which are hard to digest but i’ve waisted to much weight (from 47kg to 43kg in 2 months), I have to take back organic animals proteins to avoid anorexia. Since I’ve not noticed any reason to my digestive problems. Some days, everything is fine. Then, the next day, my upper stomach seems heavy and hard fatigue come back.
Also, I’ve stopped taking magnesium for the last 2 days; maybe it didn’t help.
How long did you take magnesium? and also how long does your fatigue last since your entire recovery?
@Andrea : thanks for your reply. I’m fighting till 2 months with the help of supplements (coQ10; vitamins complex B; magnesium (which I stopped 2 days ago…should I?); transdermal magnesium,).Never drunk coffee or ate junk food. Neither alcohol or cigarets…
I eat really healthy, well I think (lots of fruits, vegetables, chicken meat one time a week; 4 eggs per week; no more red meat (so sad because i love it).
I took probiotics for 1 months but these didn’t help me with my diarrhea.
What help me is a mix of essential oils to cure dysbios/candida…
I admit I’m kinda lost with all this process since I don’t know if supplements really help or if they are more disturbing the body to cure on itself…
At the same time, I feel that if I stopped everything, my body won’t be able to work…
Sorry for all my questions but I’m quite lost….for now…:)
Lila
Has anyone here experienced eye inflammation, resulting in light sensitivity and eye stiffness, also pain behind the eyes?
Has anyone experienced aging of the skin on the face?
Don and Henk. Thanks for info on collidial silver for ears. I have 2 different bottles here at home. A spray to spray on mouth and liquid to take a teaspoon orally. Should I just use that in my ear??
One is 115 mcg per teaspoon and one is 350 mcg per dose. Would either of those be ok to drop in my ear???
Coconut Oil is Pure Poison says Harvard Professor
“It is feted as a healthy choice but the oil, which is high in saturated fat, is ‘one of the worst things you can eat’ says expert”
https://www.theguardian.com/food/2018/aug/22/coconut-oil-is-pure-poison-says-harvard-professor
Every month or so I post to remind people that all the new research clearly indicates that we have suffered a magnesium deficiency at the mitochondrial level. I recovered rapidly under the care of experienced physicians who prescribed magnesium rich diet and regimen magnesium therapy. Check symptoms of magnesium deficiency on line. This is what you’re experiencing. Stop all this health food nonsense. Most suggestions are all over the map.
You are so, so lucky, that you found an experienced physician who took you seriously and went that extra step to find out it was magnesium deficiency.
I told my doctor everything, she said take probiotics and you’d be fine. It was left at that. She genuinely didn’t know. She is only a general practitioner after all.
I like your post Dave, I hope people listen. But you understand when you are ‘floxed’ and feel like you’re dying, your friends and family don’t understand, you’ll do anything to get yourself better.
Once I was able to get back online and do some research I realised the fluorine in cipro binds to bone and displaces magnesium (and a bit caclium).
But taking magnesium in everyway we can just didn’t seem enough and certainly not just from food, especially when your stomach is so fkd up you can’t drink water let alone lots of magnesium rich foods.
Can you elaborate on regimen magnesium therapy? The only thing I could think of was magnesium tablets, magnesium baths and soap and oil which I was having every day in some way.
Thanks for your reply Barbara, and I will check out her website in detail, I’d like to learn more. Thankfully I am recovered but it took 2 years of my life. But occasionally I ask myself am I fully recovered (mentally). Thanks again,
It has been a month and a half since taking Cipro. The week after, I had popping joints, blood vessels bursting, sharp leg pains and all that went away. I took salt baths, and 900mg of Mag. Glycinate everyday. More importantly, I made myself exercise, I lightly jogged everyday, which really hurt. I was careful not to do an incline to add tendon stress. I would feel spider veins popping, and after a 35 min jog I would see blood spots around my knee. I was scared, but I pushed through it, praying the whole time. I know that jogging pushed the symptoms out, but I am not sure why. I would say exercise was more helpful than anything else. I don’t want to tell someone to push through severe tendon pain, because you do need to listen to your body, but don’t give up on the first ache or pang either. Now 1.5 months later, I only am having occasional ache or feeling of inflammation behind the eye. So far, exercise and time are the best treatments that I’ve so far noticed, and also keeping a positive attitude and staying busy and goal oriented as much as possible. I think you all will get better, depending on your condition prior to this and how much you took, it may just take longer than it does for some who took less. I am so sorry to everyone this has happened to. Just try to not let it take you away from those you love, what you love, and your overall direction in life.
Hi Lila
I’m sorry to hear that, i know it’s hell. I was fatigued for months, I had no energy but I had to do some work (from home) and walk my dog every day. I bought ‘NT factors energy lipid powder’ and it did give me energy, I only bought one tub, it was expensive. I also bought Match green tea for a caffeine hit, but that has side effects too like sore stomach or mild panic attack.
I took 2 good walks every day and when I felt really tired I would lie down for an hour and have a rest. I’d then force myself to do a little exercise. As the months went on it did ease off and I could go through the day without being exhausted.
I wish I could help you more, it will get in better in time.
I swear exercise helped the body issues so much. I could feel all symptoms worsening when my heart rate went up and I was exercising, lots of pangs, stabbing pains. I know they say the medicine is out of the system in 3 days, leaving you with only damage of when it passed through, but I’m not sure about that. It really seems like sweating and accelerated heart rate was running it out of the tissues. Each day, each jog, I was improving. I had severe body/joint/muscle issues for weeks and it is completely gone. As I said, I only have lingering, yet improving, eye ache. I do still take the Magnesium too, just no more salt baths. Magnesium+Vit D+Daily Vitamin, and that’s all. I will eventually quit it all, except for the daily.