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5 years ago
Henk, Andrea and A.,
Thank you for your responses regarding exercise.
I’m going to keep experimenting because I, maybe stupidly, refuse to give it up. I used to be active every single day, and I want to get as close as I can to that lifestyle again. This drug has changed who I am in so many ways over the years (as it has for all of us), but I won’t let it change this about me.
The funny (and frustrating) thing is that I feel great WHILE being active, and I find that I can actually push myself without getting too exhausted. I’ve been having satisfactory workouts overall, and immediately afterwords I am in such a great mood – full of energy and literally, the happiest I have felt in years. My serotonin must be running wild.
But then an hour or so later I crash. My head pressure (which has been constant since being floxed) gets significantly worse, along with dramatically increasing brain fog, inability to focus, high anxiety, extreme fatigue and muscle twitching. This will last for days, usually just short of a week. And then, a week later, I’ll go hard again and repeat…
Is it a fantasy to think that if I just keep repeating the cycle it will eventually dissipate? I mean, exercise also helps repair/build new mitochondria, right?
I agree with all of you that I should try some supplements again. Perhaps now that I am trying to be more active they will be more efficiently put to work in my body, as opposed to when I was more sedentary and never felt any difference. I may be losing minerals like Henk says.
I’ve done so many blood tests over the years, with functional medicine doctors who pay close attention, and my levels for magnesium, B vitamins, etc. have always been in satisfactory to high range. But again, now that I am trying to push it, my body is probably needing some extra fuel.
And speaking of fuel, as Andrea mentions, carbs are admittedly low in my diet because so much literature out there points to a low carb diet being a key factor to healing. Do I have to choose between being low carb to help my body heal and being active?
Anyway, thanks guys. I’m going to keep at it and hopefully figure out how I can make it work.
Though, even if I don’t, the brief happiness I feel during/after I work out is almost worth the misery in the days that follow…
What antibiotics are safe to take? I have streptococcus overgrowth in vagina and urethra and mouth. It is recommended penicillin, ampicillin, cephalexin. Any of those ok? Anything natural? Can I take Tylenol for fever and pains?
Dee
5 years ago
A Coleman. Are you fully recovered now? I remember seeing you on here before but couldn’t quite remember your story? I thought you said you were floxed pretty bad? Just wondering how you are doing now?
L
5 years ago
Not letting me reply to posts but PLEASE do NOT use or cite quacks watch as a source. There was a recent post re colloidal silver (which I use ALL the time). Quackwatch is against all natural treatments. I suspect it is big pharma related. It is just junk information.
mmec7
5 years ago
Colloidal Silver : Have used it for many years – in the following manner :-
Spray against winter buggles, couple of squishes in to the mouth. I do not come down with colds etc
Spray when hospitalised, spray over locker, bed rails, table
Spray on to hands on returning from shopping
Spray on any odd cuts
Spray on skin after removal of stitches
Many years ago, colloidal silver was used to wipe out the eyes of the new born babe.
Colloidal silver is excellent for wiping out the eyes of your pets and of horses – especially in summer, when flies head straight for eyes.
I swear by my colloidal silver. When purchasing, please purchase from a reliable source. Do NOT buy through Amazon, you will not have a reliable provenance if you do so.
As for Quackwatch…really. It is run by pharma. Is renowned for being unreliable.
Please do not be wary about using colloidal silver – just don’t go drinking glasses of the stuff, it is NOT for gulping down. Yes, have heard the stories of the clonkers who swilled it down and then after a few years of doing so their skin turned a sort of grey colour. If one drinks quantities of carrot juice your skin will turn orange, yes, have been several such cases. Moderation. Use the spray dispenser for your colloidal use, and as for carrot juice, just eat the raw carrot
mmec7
5 years ago
Dee – I use Higher Nature 10 PPM. Can be purchased through alternative and herbal outlets, like Mercola; BigVits.com; Herbs.com. I also purchase through my organic foods and products outlet, Catalyona 20 PPM – Catalyons is a French product, I live in France.
You can buy 30 PPM and even higher (1000 PPM !) but would suggest sticking to 10 PPM, 20 PPM, or 30 PPM.
I have used the Higher Nature for many years now. No problems.
Lukasz
5 years ago
Hey everyone. Long time. Hope you’re all doing alright. Question for those who reside in Ontario, Canada. Is there any place where Nembutal (Pentobarbital) can be purchased legally without a prescription? If anyone knows, please let me know. If you’d rather e-mail me… kiji7@hotmail.com. Thanks.
Henk Noordhuizen
5 years ago
I’ve posted an answer for mmec7,about CS,and tried so 3 times,and it wasn’t placed. The third time I got a message that I had placed this message before,so;I think that Akismet ( spam filter,used by WordPress) keeps it from being placed.Akismet control’s the messages for spam,but who control’s Akismet?
Dee
5 years ago
The big question is do we relapse or just keep cycling symptoms until this crap slowly detoxes and leaves our body?? I have read that FQs can remain in your tissues for a long time but I guess eventually leaves. The flox report says it takes a year in a half to decrease 5O%, 3 years for 75% and up to 6 years to actually leave . Who knows how accurate that is and if course you have to take into account we are all different at detoxing etc. I found that very interesting. My guess is that we keep cycling until it is gone and of course certain things can flare it up? Stress, fluoride, food or drink, meds etc???? I guess it is mostly a mystery how this poisons us and what the evolution is? We are all so different in our toxicity and ability to repair and detox!
Dee
5 years ago
Mike. I sure hope you are right!! I was pretty bummed reading that Don thought we never recover but go into remission. I truly don’t want to believe that. I understand everyone had thrust theory and I respect that. I just like to think optimistic and believe that full healing is possible!! I’m 2 years out probably 80-85% healed with 2 or 3 lingering symptoms left that I pray will disappear in a few months. Trying to think positive!!! If the flox report is accurate then this FQ will eventually detox out! ????????????????
Attsy
5 years ago
Hey guys, so I wrote before a while that I started to feel sick. Unfortunately I had another colon attack and in the end could not digest even water. I was taken to the hospital and hooked into nutrition’s IVs. And here comes the funny part, all my blood tests seems to be quite fine (last time they were not), stomach ultrasound of course negative. The truth is that this time it was same bad as I was floxed first time.
And I don’t know what caused this!! I have been thinking about it very hardly and I don’t know. I don’t know why this happened. I am actually very stress free but I have stomach ache every day since I was floxed!! I tried to suggest that it was caused by antibiotics at the hospital to numerous doctors, they all believed I had anaphylaxis but they don’t believe I have ongoing symptoms. I am sure that it had to disturbed something in my colon (as biopsy proved that my colon is unable to digest lactose, gluten and sugar) but there is no visible inflammation although I have transglut IgA, level up (and maybe they went down now). I am now unsure what to eat and what to do. This colon attack lasted for 2 weeks straight. It is always the same, enormous sharp pain awakens me at night, then it continues for 6-8 hours, I have mild fever and sweat like crazy, sometimes I lose my consciousness then it subsides but still last for a few days.
But after the IVs I got really better, also my joints stopped hurting, so I suspect my body is missing something but I don’t know what it is. I hardly doubt I will be able to live like this, if this continues I am simply done. I will end up on the street.
I know this is not very positive post but believe me I thought I was getting better but this is still in my body, but god knows where. I am also scared that it is still “working” somewhere in my body and maybe years later it will cause something serious.
Well I would appreciate a lot if someone from you (who also has stomach issues) could share what you eat during the day so I could try to do it same way.
I would appreciate it, thank you.
Dee
5 years ago
Henk and Don. Wow! The thought that your body never completely gets rid of FQs and we only go into remission for the rest of our lives gives so many of us a lack of hope rather then hope. I am going to “respectfully” disagree with you as I believe the body is amazing and I believe that many Floxies can repair the damage done and detox the FQs out of their cells and tissues. I do believe it will take months to years depending on your toxicity and your ability to detox and repair. I would imagine for some Floxies complete recovery is very possible for others they may have to be ok with 80/90% recovery or unfortunately less. I have not read loads of scientific studies although I have read a few and I have read the 250 plus page flox report that actually followed a group of Floxies recovery and researched the toxicity and damage they FQs cause. I want to come to this site for hope and I am optimistic by nature but also willing to accept reality. I am not a young floxie. I am 63 and feel 80/85% healed at 2 years out. I accept and know that I will never be the same both mentally and physically as I know parts of my body were damaged that may never come back to my preflox days. BUT I continue to have hope and faith that my body will continue to repair , heal and actually detox most of the FQ out of my cells. According to the flox report for what it is worth FQs can leave your body almost completely after 5-6 years. I’m going to continue to believe in that and the amazing capabilities that the human body has. I am going to continue to speak up for hope and faith to completely heal! I believe we can and I want other Floxies reading this to believe we can too!! Floxie HOPE site this is!! May the two of you find continued healing as time moved forward. Peace
Mike
5 years ago
I’m a 37 year-old male. I was fit and healthy prior to getting Floxed. On May 7th (so approximately four weeks to the day), I took only one (1) Levofloxicin 500mg tablet. I noticed immediate issues, and discontinued it after one pill.
Since then, here is what I feel:
1. Tendon pain.
2. Muscle aches (mostly slight, but mild overall).
3. Fatigue.
4. Headaches.
5. Brain fog.
6. Vision and hearing sensitivity.
7. Slight depersonalization.
8. Anxiety and some panic.
9. Chest discomfort.
10. Neuropathy.
Since then, here’s what I can *do*:
1. I’ve been walking anywhere between 4 and 7 miles a day.
2. 10,000 steps a day.
3. Playing with kids and trying to enjoy life.
4. Working and focusing as best as possible.
5. Taking Magnesium Glycinate, CoQ10 and my daily shakes and vitamins.
6. Eating as healthy as possible.
So, I guess my question is this: Since I only took one pill four weeks ago, and I’m able to do the things above, does it seem plausible that I will heal fully from this? I mean, I’ve read the stories and understand first-hand the side effects, but it seems by contrast I was very mildly Floxed – and lucky I dumped the whole bottle down the toilet.
Thoughts?
Alen Edward
5 years ago
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Hi guys, does anyone have any experience with green tea?
Is it as bad as caffeine for floxies? After more than a year, I’ve finally decided to buy the Fasting Mimicking diet kit from Valter Longo, but some of the food contains green tea extract. Do you think It could be dangerous? Thank you.
Andrea
5 years ago
Thank you guys. The thing is that I don’t want to drink any tea. The thing is that I’ve finally ordered the Prolon kit, a 5 day kit designed by Professor Valter Longo, to make a 5 days Fasting Mimicking Diet, and in some of the foods, in the ingredients, it’s labelled “green tea extract”…I really don’t know what to do…it costed me 200 bucks. I waited more than a year, thinking if it was wise to spend al this money for a 5 days “diet”, just to find out it could even hurt me… I guess I can only do 2 things now : one is go ahead and try it, risking to feel worse, or giving it as a gift to someone…
Here’s the link of Prolon.
Does anyone here wake up abruptly and have their sleep cut short out of the blue? I mean, on a daily basis. Also, do any of you wake up with horrible body pain? Like you just came out of a boxing ring and have REALLY BAD accompanying anxiety when you wake up? This has been happening to me for so long now. I don’t remember having a good night’s sleep in over 4.5 years. I always wake up too early, in brutal pain and feel VERY unrefreshed, as though I didn’t sleep. I’m pretty sure that I can’t enter the REM sleep cycle due to the body’s inability to relax. I suffered severe nerve damage from my back-to-back ADRs. I wonder if it’s the nerve damage that is causing these issues.
Anyone else experiencing this? Any solutions to these problems?
Henk, Andrea and A.,
Thank you for your responses regarding exercise.
I’m going to keep experimenting because I, maybe stupidly, refuse to give it up. I used to be active every single day, and I want to get as close as I can to that lifestyle again. This drug has changed who I am in so many ways over the years (as it has for all of us), but I won’t let it change this about me.
The funny (and frustrating) thing is that I feel great WHILE being active, and I find that I can actually push myself without getting too exhausted. I’ve been having satisfactory workouts overall, and immediately afterwords I am in such a great mood – full of energy and literally, the happiest I have felt in years. My serotonin must be running wild.
But then an hour or so later I crash. My head pressure (which has been constant since being floxed) gets significantly worse, along with dramatically increasing brain fog, inability to focus, high anxiety, extreme fatigue and muscle twitching. This will last for days, usually just short of a week. And then, a week later, I’ll go hard again and repeat…
Is it a fantasy to think that if I just keep repeating the cycle it will eventually dissipate? I mean, exercise also helps repair/build new mitochondria, right?
I agree with all of you that I should try some supplements again. Perhaps now that I am trying to be more active they will be more efficiently put to work in my body, as opposed to when I was more sedentary and never felt any difference. I may be losing minerals like Henk says.
I’ve done so many blood tests over the years, with functional medicine doctors who pay close attention, and my levels for magnesium, B vitamins, etc. have always been in satisfactory to high range. But again, now that I am trying to push it, my body is probably needing some extra fuel.
And speaking of fuel, as Andrea mentions, carbs are admittedly low in my diet because so much literature out there points to a low carb diet being a key factor to healing. Do I have to choose between being low carb to help my body heal and being active?
Anyway, thanks guys. I’m going to keep at it and hopefully figure out how I can make it work.
Though, even if I don’t, the brief happiness I feel during/after I work out is almost worth the misery in the days that follow…
What antibiotics are safe to take? I have streptococcus overgrowth in vagina and urethra and mouth. It is recommended penicillin, ampicillin, cephalexin. Any of those ok? Anything natural? Can I take Tylenol for fever and pains?
A Coleman. Are you fully recovered now? I remember seeing you on here before but couldn’t quite remember your story? I thought you said you were floxed pretty bad? Just wondering how you are doing now?
Not letting me reply to posts but PLEASE do NOT use or cite quacks watch as a source. There was a recent post re colloidal silver (which I use ALL the time). Quackwatch is against all natural treatments. I suspect it is big pharma related. It is just junk information.
Colloidal Silver : Have used it for many years – in the following manner :-
Spray against winter buggles, couple of squishes in to the mouth. I do not come down with colds etc
Spray when hospitalised, spray over locker, bed rails, table
Spray on to hands on returning from shopping
Spray on any odd cuts
Spray on skin after removal of stitches
Many years ago, colloidal silver was used to wipe out the eyes of the new born babe.
Colloidal silver is excellent for wiping out the eyes of your pets and of horses – especially in summer, when flies head straight for eyes.
I swear by my colloidal silver. When purchasing, please purchase from a reliable source. Do NOT buy through Amazon, you will not have a reliable provenance if you do so.
As for Quackwatch…really. It is run by pharma. Is renowned for being unreliable.
Please do not be wary about using colloidal silver – just don’t go drinking glasses of the stuff, it is NOT for gulping down. Yes, have heard the stories of the clonkers who swilled it down and then after a few years of doing so their skin turned a sort of grey colour. If one drinks quantities of carrot juice your skin will turn orange, yes, have been several such cases. Moderation. Use the spray dispenser for your colloidal use, and as for carrot juice, just eat the raw carrot
Dee – I use Higher Nature 10 PPM. Can be purchased through alternative and herbal outlets, like Mercola; BigVits.com; Herbs.com. I also purchase through my organic foods and products outlet, Catalyona 20 PPM – Catalyons is a French product, I live in France.
You can buy 30 PPM and even higher (1000 PPM !) but would suggest sticking to 10 PPM, 20 PPM, or 30 PPM.
I have used the Higher Nature for many years now. No problems.
Hey everyone. Long time. Hope you’re all doing alright. Question for those who reside in Ontario, Canada. Is there any place where Nembutal (Pentobarbital) can be purchased legally without a prescription? If anyone knows, please let me know. If you’d rather e-mail me… kiji7@hotmail.com. Thanks.
I’ve posted an answer for mmec7,about CS,and tried so 3 times,and it wasn’t placed. The third time I got a message that I had placed this message before,so;I think that Akismet ( spam filter,used by WordPress) keeps it from being placed.Akismet control’s the messages for spam,but who control’s Akismet?
The big question is do we relapse or just keep cycling symptoms until this crap slowly detoxes and leaves our body?? I have read that FQs can remain in your tissues for a long time but I guess eventually leaves. The flox report says it takes a year in a half to decrease 5O%, 3 years for 75% and up to 6 years to actually leave . Who knows how accurate that is and if course you have to take into account we are all different at detoxing etc. I found that very interesting. My guess is that we keep cycling until it is gone and of course certain things can flare it up? Stress, fluoride, food or drink, meds etc???? I guess it is mostly a mystery how this poisons us and what the evolution is? We are all so different in our toxicity and ability to repair and detox!
Mike. I sure hope you are right!! I was pretty bummed reading that Don thought we never recover but go into remission. I truly don’t want to believe that. I understand everyone had thrust theory and I respect that. I just like to think optimistic and believe that full healing is possible!! I’m 2 years out probably 80-85% healed with 2 or 3 lingering symptoms left that I pray will disappear in a few months. Trying to think positive!!! If the flox report is accurate then this FQ will eventually detox out! ????????????????
Hey guys, so I wrote before a while that I started to feel sick. Unfortunately I had another colon attack and in the end could not digest even water. I was taken to the hospital and hooked into nutrition’s IVs. And here comes the funny part, all my blood tests seems to be quite fine (last time they were not), stomach ultrasound of course negative. The truth is that this time it was same bad as I was floxed first time.
And I don’t know what caused this!! I have been thinking about it very hardly and I don’t know. I don’t know why this happened. I am actually very stress free but I have stomach ache every day since I was floxed!! I tried to suggest that it was caused by antibiotics at the hospital to numerous doctors, they all believed I had anaphylaxis but they don’t believe I have ongoing symptoms. I am sure that it had to disturbed something in my colon (as biopsy proved that my colon is unable to digest lactose, gluten and sugar) but there is no visible inflammation although I have transglut IgA, level up (and maybe they went down now). I am now unsure what to eat and what to do. This colon attack lasted for 2 weeks straight. It is always the same, enormous sharp pain awakens me at night, then it continues for 6-8 hours, I have mild fever and sweat like crazy, sometimes I lose my consciousness then it subsides but still last for a few days.
But after the IVs I got really better, also my joints stopped hurting, so I suspect my body is missing something but I don’t know what it is. I hardly doubt I will be able to live like this, if this continues I am simply done. I will end up on the street.
I know this is not very positive post but believe me I thought I was getting better but this is still in my body, but god knows where. I am also scared that it is still “working” somewhere in my body and maybe years later it will cause something serious.
Well I would appreciate a lot if someone from you (who also has stomach issues) could share what you eat during the day so I could try to do it same way.
I would appreciate it, thank you.
Henk and Don. Wow! The thought that your body never completely gets rid of FQs and we only go into remission for the rest of our lives gives so many of us a lack of hope rather then hope. I am going to “respectfully” disagree with you as I believe the body is amazing and I believe that many Floxies can repair the damage done and detox the FQs out of their cells and tissues. I do believe it will take months to years depending on your toxicity and your ability to detox and repair. I would imagine for some Floxies complete recovery is very possible for others they may have to be ok with 80/90% recovery or unfortunately less. I have not read loads of scientific studies although I have read a few and I have read the 250 plus page flox report that actually followed a group of Floxies recovery and researched the toxicity and damage they FQs cause. I want to come to this site for hope and I am optimistic by nature but also willing to accept reality. I am not a young floxie. I am 63 and feel 80/85% healed at 2 years out. I accept and know that I will never be the same both mentally and physically as I know parts of my body were damaged that may never come back to my preflox days. BUT I continue to have hope and faith that my body will continue to repair , heal and actually detox most of the FQ out of my cells. According to the flox report for what it is worth FQs can leave your body almost completely after 5-6 years. I’m going to continue to believe in that and the amazing capabilities that the human body has. I am going to continue to speak up for hope and faith to completely heal! I believe we can and I want other Floxies reading this to believe we can too!! Floxie HOPE site this is!! May the two of you find continued healing as time moved forward. Peace
I’m a 37 year-old male. I was fit and healthy prior to getting Floxed. On May 7th (so approximately four weeks to the day), I took only one (1) Levofloxicin 500mg tablet. I noticed immediate issues, and discontinued it after one pill.
Since then, here is what I feel:
1. Tendon pain.
2. Muscle aches (mostly slight, but mild overall).
3. Fatigue.
4. Headaches.
5. Brain fog.
6. Vision and hearing sensitivity.
7. Slight depersonalization.
8. Anxiety and some panic.
9. Chest discomfort.
10. Neuropathy.
Since then, here’s what I can *do*:
1. I’ve been walking anywhere between 4 and 7 miles a day.
2. 10,000 steps a day.
3. Playing with kids and trying to enjoy life.
4. Working and focusing as best as possible.
5. Taking Magnesium Glycinate, CoQ10 and my daily shakes and vitamins.
6. Eating as healthy as possible.
So, I guess my question is this: Since I only took one pill four weeks ago, and I’m able to do the things above, does it seem plausible that I will heal fully from this? I mean, I’ve read the stories and understand first-hand the side effects, but it seems by contrast I was very mildly Floxed – and lucky I dumped the whole bottle down the toilet.
Thoughts?
In the past year, the largest number of payouts (81%) came from websites vulnerabilities, followed by hardware (7%) and API (6%).
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Here are the top skills that MyP.I hackers currently have, according to the report:
Web application (96%)
Network pen testing (85%)
API assessment (79%)
Social engineering (79%)
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Mobile: Android (76%)
Cryptography (67%)
Binary analysis and reverse engineering (63%)
Mobile/iOS application (57%)
OS/Firmware testing (51%)
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Anybody knows who is this Alen Edward,who shows off with his hackers skills,and Harper,his butt licker? Lisa,can you,please, remove this anoying spam?
I’m getting the feeling that,in a while,only this kind of rubbish gets placed here,while legimate messages are filtered out.
Hi guys, does anyone have any experience with green tea?
Is it as bad as caffeine for floxies? After more than a year, I’ve finally decided to buy the Fasting Mimicking diet kit from Valter Longo, but some of the food contains green tea extract. Do you think It could be dangerous? Thank you.
Thank you guys. The thing is that I don’t want to drink any tea. The thing is that I’ve finally ordered the Prolon kit, a 5 day kit designed by Professor Valter Longo, to make a 5 days Fasting Mimicking Diet, and in some of the foods, in the ingredients, it’s labelled “green tea extract”…I really don’t know what to do…it costed me 200 bucks. I waited more than a year, thinking if it was wise to spend al this money for a 5 days “diet”, just to find out it could even hurt me… I guess I can only do 2 things now : one is go ahead and try it, risking to feel worse, or giving it as a gift to someone…
Here’s the link of Prolon.
https://prolon.eu/
Check out also Valter Longo and his studies on fasting and longevity. He also talks about autoimmune disease and fasting.
Here’s an interview with him
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zz4ZzNik1Y4
Does anyone here wake up abruptly and have their sleep cut short out of the blue? I mean, on a daily basis. Also, do any of you wake up with horrible body pain? Like you just came out of a boxing ring and have REALLY BAD accompanying anxiety when you wake up? This has been happening to me for so long now. I don’t remember having a good night’s sleep in over 4.5 years. I always wake up too early, in brutal pain and feel VERY unrefreshed, as though I didn’t sleep. I’m pretty sure that I can’t enter the REM sleep cycle due to the body’s inability to relax. I suffered severe nerve damage from my back-to-back ADRs. I wonder if it’s the nerve damage that is causing these issues.
Anyone else experiencing this? Any solutions to these problems?