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Don M
5 years ago
Henk……. Everything you say about old fashioned infrared bulbs is correct. BUT They are so damned hot and use so much electricity. An old fashioned bulb draws as much as 250 watts and is to hot to have touching anything where an LED light panel of 225 LEDs draws about 45 watts and is cool to the touch. The light panel can cover a large area where the old fashioned bulb coverage is small. The select frequencies are supposed to be correct for their purpose.
Don M
5 years ago
Fred S, Henk and and anyone else interested in light therapy. I am going to make another post because only one web posting seems to be allowed before the post is canned and not allowed. Here is the post that Henk made about locations of this particular “commercial” light unit. https://www.novothor.com/locations/ I am going to post (another post) the location that is near me because it has a wealth of information that one can read about light therapy.
It appears that the light therapy has a big affect on the mitochondria and production of ATP in the mitochondria. It appears to indicate that it is also and influence on Oxidative Stress. All these things seem to be somewhat central to people who are floxed. One question that I have is: Dose this light therapy also help the “BAD ” things in the mitochondria that the Fluoroquinolones have managed to disrupt?
Andrea
5 years ago
Hi guys, any experience with Daktarin (miconazole) taken as an oral gel, or in tablets? Any adverse effects after taking it?
Don M
5 years ago
This is mainly directed at “new” floxies. Many common drugs are fluoridated: Prozac, Paxil, Lipitor, Cipro, Diflucan to name a few. https://slweb.org/ftrcfluorinatedpharm.html
How many people have trusted their doctors and are taking a statin not knowing that it is also a fluoridated drug? How many people have trusted their doctor and are taking antidepressants? How many people have gone through surgery not knowing that the anesthetic contained fluoride?
Most who have been floxed for some time have done some research and found just how many things are fluoridated.
As far as the miconazole yes it s for my mouth. My tongue actually. I know many of you relies on colloidal silver, but I’m just too scared about agrygria. I know I know, many of you explained a all the story to me. But yet…
Anyway I’m going to try an homemade mouthwash with baking soda and tea tree oil…let’s see what happens
Mike Wallbridge
5 years ago
I was floxed just over a year ago and have reached a point where I have few symptoms, just occasional tendon or muscle pain mainly in the legs. Is there a point where large doses of magnesium should be tailed off? I’ve read that large doses can cause heart palpitations which I’ve been experiencing increasingly of late. I’ve also been using diltiazem hydrochloride cream for a fissure and the palpitations worsened to the point where I had to stop using it. But I don’t know whether to decrease my high magnesium intake.
Henk Noordhuizen
5 years ago
Mike,the problem with magnesium is,that a too high AND a too loo magnesium level cause,more or less,the same symptoms.To be shure,you’ll nee an RBC test (intercellular magnesium test).The new problems seem to be caused by the diltiazem hydrochloride cream; it’s a known adverse reaction to that substance.
mikethebook
5 years ago
Thanks guys. I’ll check into the RBC test in the UK but I think it will be expensive. I will experiment with backing off the magnesium (750mg per day glycinate and l-threonate) as you suggest but I don’t know whether I’m getting too much. I have a high fibre diet for my fissure and my stools are loose but without being diarrhea. Trouble is that, at times, i have slight pain from my achilles tendon and other tendon/ligament/cartilage areas so I slap on plenty of magnesium oil. I don’t want to risk a tear.
I saw the doctor this morning and he wants to do some tests to find out the cause of the palpitations even when I’m not using the diltiazem. I dread having to have a stent installed and the need afterwards to take blood-thinners and aspirin long-term. That can’t be good for someone having been floxed.
mikethebook
5 years ago
Thanks for your replies. I will check out RBC testing labs here in the UK and read what Dr Carolyn Dean has to say. That’s all very helpful.
The video shows some of what makes Argyria nearly impossible today. Unless one tries to make it themselves using salts like Henk explained. I don’t like the idea of anyone here trying to bad mouth Colloidal Silver. Colloidal Silver is good and it definitely has a purpose. There are those “scare mongers” that try to convince people otherwise. They are wrong. Used correctly Colloidal Silver is a whoooooool lot safer than today’s antibiotics.
Sheila rogers
5 years ago
Just wanted to let you guys know I have been reading the comments staying quiet though…..I read with disdain how doctors are acting horrible about not believing in this problem and I wondered after reading so many comments what my doctors would say the heads up with the comments at least prepared me for snarky remarks from the doctors…..the one doctor I saw two days ago was my eye doctor and lo and behold he knew about the side effects of cipro and was able to actually warn me about the torn tendons. We discussed why I had been on cipro for as long as I was and we discussed the eye effects and he took extra time with me to do the specific exams for retina detachment and looked inside my eyes etc. for any damage – news right now – so far so good…..it really amazes me how many doctors will NOT accept science and drug effects and then you have this handful of doctors who are on board and concerned thank god my eye doctor is concerned and on the way out the door he said “now watch out for those torn tendons we don’t need that with you on crutches” – it will be interesting to see if the other doctors I have will be this aware. Just wanted you guys to know there are some docs that take this seriously I hope we all have them and not the others
I’ve just read Sheila Rogers post with alarm and interest. In what ways can cipro affect the eyes and eyesight? I think my prescription changed quite radically after I was floxed though it may be imagination and just age.
mikethebook
5 years ago
Wow! That’s scary stuff. I haven’t had to deal with floaters . . . yet. But at one point, my eye moved outside of its normal range of movement and was sore afterwards. I presume the connective tissue holding the eyeball in place was affected. I also used to play Sudoko which would involve a lot of rapid eye movements as I looked for patterns. But I don’t do that now because it used to (and possibly still would) make my whole eyeball feel sore and sort of swollen. Those symptoms plus the change in my prescription are what I’ve noticed most. I haven’t seen an optician since I was floxed but I need to. Trouble is I’ve been dealing with other major health issues in my life – cancer, heart issues – now that symptoms have settled down I should do that.
Andrea
5 years ago
Guys, last night I was surfing the internet and I end up watching chiropratict videos, you know those “crack” addicts videos 🙂 , anyway, after a little while, I was watching this particular video, where a chiropractitian was healing a girl who was suffering, with a lot of other things, with bladder issues. Do you think it’s possible to cure or at least ease those problems with chiro. I mean the bladder is controled by the nervous system, what if my bladder problems where connected, say for example, to some disc problem in the lombar region. What do you think? I thinking about that expecially because of the way my bladder troubles beginned : after a surgery.
Ok I had to small skin growths removed and the Doc used small topical injection of lidocaine to numb both areas. I am freaking out a little because I know a couple Floxie’s had bad reaction from lidocaine given for dental work. Anyone have issues with lidocaine or know how Floxie’s do with it?? I figure I might have had a smaller amount injected compare to dental work? I am real nervous right now and probably over reacting!! Any feedback for me on this from you Floxie’s out there?? I’m 28 months out and don’t need a relapse or bad flare! Hopefully I will be fine! I think my nerves are getting to me more then the lidocaine!!
Don M
5 years ago
A tip from Data Doctors computer repair……… “Avoid clicking the link and do your own search for what they claim is supporting evidence by putting whatever the headline is from the link they posted”.
“If the info is legit, it will have been indexed by Google, so don’t ever take any link at face value in the comments section of any website”.
Do we here need to be challenging every reference made by another floxie? Such a shame that the Internet is so infested with corrupt hackers that we can not trust the references posted by members.
Attila
5 years ago
Hello! Please let me know what kind of panil killer can I use because of ibuprofen can be risky for me. Any advise? Thank you!
Henk……. Everything you say about old fashioned infrared bulbs is correct. BUT They are so damned hot and use so much electricity. An old fashioned bulb draws as much as 250 watts and is to hot to have touching anything where an LED light panel of 225 LEDs draws about 45 watts and is cool to the touch. The light panel can cover a large area where the old fashioned bulb coverage is small. The select frequencies are supposed to be correct for their purpose.
Fred S, Henk and and anyone else interested in light therapy. I am going to make another post because only one web posting seems to be allowed before the post is canned and not allowed. Here is the post that Henk made about locations of this particular “commercial” light unit. https://www.novothor.com/locations/ I am going to post (another post) the location that is near me because it has a wealth of information that one can read about light therapy.
It appears that the light therapy has a big affect on the mitochondria and production of ATP in the mitochondria. It appears to indicate that it is also and influence on Oxidative Stress. All these things seem to be somewhat central to people who are floxed. One question that I have is: Dose this light therapy also help the “BAD ” things in the mitochondria that the Fluoroquinolones have managed to disrupt?
Hi guys, any experience with Daktarin (miconazole) taken as an oral gel, or in tablets? Any adverse effects after taking it?
This is mainly directed at “new” floxies. Many common drugs are fluoridated: Prozac, Paxil, Lipitor, Cipro, Diflucan to name a few. https://slweb.org/ftrcfluorinatedpharm.html
How many people have trusted their doctors and are taking a statin not knowing that it is also a fluoridated drug? How many people have trusted their doctor and are taking antidepressants? How many people have gone through surgery not knowing that the anesthetic contained fluoride?
Most who have been floxed for some time have done some research and found just how many things are fluoridated.
Hoping this actually does happen, and soon.
https://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2019/10/22/fluoridated-water-may-soon-be-outlawed.aspx?utm_source=dnl&utm_medium=email&utm_content=art2HL&utm_campaign=20191022Z1&et_cid=DM373386&et_rid=734367571
As far as the miconazole yes it s for my mouth. My tongue actually. I know many of you relies on colloidal silver, but I’m just too scared about agrygria. I know I know, many of you explained a all the story to me. But yet…
Anyway I’m going to try an homemade mouthwash with baking soda and tea tree oil…let’s see what happens
I was floxed just over a year ago and have reached a point where I have few symptoms, just occasional tendon or muscle pain mainly in the legs. Is there a point where large doses of magnesium should be tailed off? I’ve read that large doses can cause heart palpitations which I’ve been experiencing increasingly of late. I’ve also been using diltiazem hydrochloride cream for a fissure and the palpitations worsened to the point where I had to stop using it. But I don’t know whether to decrease my high magnesium intake.
Mike,the problem with magnesium is,that a too high AND a too loo magnesium level cause,more or less,the same symptoms.To be shure,you’ll nee an RBC test (intercellular magnesium test).The new problems seem to be caused by the diltiazem hydrochloride cream; it’s a known adverse reaction to that substance.
Thanks guys. I’ll check into the RBC test in the UK but I think it will be expensive. I will experiment with backing off the magnesium (750mg per day glycinate and l-threonate) as you suggest but I don’t know whether I’m getting too much. I have a high fibre diet for my fissure and my stools are loose but without being diarrhea. Trouble is that, at times, i have slight pain from my achilles tendon and other tendon/ligament/cartilage areas so I slap on plenty of magnesium oil. I don’t want to risk a tear.
I saw the doctor this morning and he wants to do some tests to find out the cause of the palpitations even when I’m not using the diltiazem. I dread having to have a stent installed and the need afterwards to take blood-thinners and aspirin long-term. That can’t be good for someone having been floxed.
Thanks for your replies. I will check out RBC testing labs here in the UK and read what Dr Carolyn Dean has to say. That’s all very helpful.
Andrea…….. A little bit about Colloidal Silver. https://manage.kmail-lists.com/subscriptions/web-view?a=cKfkpk&c=Jz9736&r=r8B9VCP&m=PycaVM&k=952d27d228f8461cce5aad029f98f86b
Watch the video. Yes, in the end it is an advertisement trying to sell “pico made” Colloidal Silver.
The video shows some of what makes Argyria nearly impossible today. Unless one tries to make it themselves using salts like Henk explained. I don’t like the idea of anyone here trying to bad mouth Colloidal Silver. Colloidal Silver is good and it definitely has a purpose. There are those “scare mongers” that try to convince people otherwise. They are wrong. Used correctly Colloidal Silver is a whoooooool lot safer than today’s antibiotics.
Just wanted to let you guys know I have been reading the comments staying quiet though…..I read with disdain how doctors are acting horrible about not believing in this problem and I wondered after reading so many comments what my doctors would say the heads up with the comments at least prepared me for snarky remarks from the doctors…..the one doctor I saw two days ago was my eye doctor and lo and behold he knew about the side effects of cipro and was able to actually warn me about the torn tendons. We discussed why I had been on cipro for as long as I was and we discussed the eye effects and he took extra time with me to do the specific exams for retina detachment and looked inside my eyes etc. for any damage – news right now – so far so good…..it really amazes me how many doctors will NOT accept science and drug effects and then you have this handful of doctors who are on board and concerned thank god my eye doctor is concerned and on the way out the door he said “now watch out for those torn tendons we don’t need that with you on crutches” – it will be interesting to see if the other doctors I have will be this aware. Just wanted you guys to know there are some docs that take this seriously I hope we all have them and not the others
I wanted to post this article from Mercola (I know you’ve read it Henk 🙂 ) because some of us experience Interstitial Cystitis post floxing. What this article does NOT offer as a natural approach, that helped me, were both accupuncture, traditional chinese medicine and aloe vera capsules. https://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2019/10/30/bladder-pill-increases-risk-of-retinal-damage.aspx?utm_source=dnl&utm_medium=email&utm_content=art2ReadMore&utm_campaign=20191030Z1&et_cid=DM378485&et_rid=739723104
I’ve just read Sheila Rogers post with alarm and interest. In what ways can cipro affect the eyes and eyesight? I think my prescription changed quite radically after I was floxed though it may be imagination and just age.
Wow! That’s scary stuff. I haven’t had to deal with floaters . . . yet. But at one point, my eye moved outside of its normal range of movement and was sore afterwards. I presume the connective tissue holding the eyeball in place was affected. I also used to play Sudoko which would involve a lot of rapid eye movements as I looked for patterns. But I don’t do that now because it used to (and possibly still would) make my whole eyeball feel sore and sort of swollen. Those symptoms plus the change in my prescription are what I’ve noticed most. I haven’t seen an optician since I was floxed but I need to. Trouble is I’ve been dealing with other major health issues in my life – cancer, heart issues – now that symptoms have settled down I should do that.
Guys, last night I was surfing the internet and I end up watching chiropratict videos, you know those “crack” addicts videos 🙂 , anyway, after a little while, I was watching this particular video, where a chiropractitian was healing a girl who was suffering, with a lot of other things, with bladder issues. Do you think it’s possible to cure or at least ease those problems with chiro. I mean the bladder is controled by the nervous system, what if my bladder problems where connected, say for example, to some disc problem in the lombar region. What do you think? I thinking about that expecially because of the way my bladder troubles beginned : after a surgery.
Ok I had to small skin growths removed and the Doc used small topical injection of lidocaine to numb both areas. I am freaking out a little because I know a couple Floxie’s had bad reaction from lidocaine given for dental work. Anyone have issues with lidocaine or know how Floxie’s do with it?? I figure I might have had a smaller amount injected compare to dental work? I am real nervous right now and probably over reacting!! Any feedback for me on this from you Floxie’s out there?? I’m 28 months out and don’t need a relapse or bad flare! Hopefully I will be fine! I think my nerves are getting to me more then the lidocaine!!
A tip from Data Doctors computer repair……… “Avoid clicking the link and do your own search for what they claim is supporting evidence by putting whatever the headline is from the link they posted”.
“If the info is legit, it will have been indexed by Google, so don’t ever take any link at face value in the comments section of any website”.
Do we here need to be challenging every reference made by another floxie? Such a shame that the Internet is so infested with corrupt hackers that we can not trust the references posted by members.
Hello! Please let me know what kind of panil killer can I use because of ibuprofen can be risky for me. Any advise? Thank you!
Repositioning of fluoroquinolones from antibiotic to anti-cancer agents: An underestimated truth https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0753332218370689
Ubiquitous Nature of Fluoroquinolones: The Oscillation between Antibacterial and Anticancer Activities https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5745469/
Ciprofloxacin induces apoptosis and inhibits proliferation of human colorectal carcinoma cells https://www.nature.com/articles/6600079
IS CIPROFLOXACIN AN ANTI-CANCER DRUG? A MINIREVIEW https://www.researchgate.net/publication/305319162_IS_CIPROFLOXACIN_AN_ANTI-CANCER_DRUG_A_MINIREVIEW