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When Magnesium Makes Me Worse
October 11, 2012
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When people take a drug or a supplement they take it with the expectation that it will make them feel better. We know that’s not always the case with drugs but what about supplements?
I wrote the original post Oct 11, 2011. Since then it’s had almost one million views. By 2017, many people were reading the second edition of The Magnesium Miracle (2017) and hearing about magnesium. As a result, more people are taking magnesium than ever before and a few people are wondering why it sometimes makes them feel worse.
In about 1 out of 100 people there can be a shift in symptoms that you don’t understand. Here’s how one reader put it. “My obvious magnesium deficiency symptoms, cramping, muscle aches, headaches, etc., are worsening slightly rather than getting better. Anxiety is the only thing that has gotten better. Is this normal? I’m using magnesium oil and magnesium citrate but not yet able to tolerate more than 200-300mg without getting diarrhea.”
For the side effect of diarrhea, I recommend switching to my magnesium product, ReMag because it’s fully absorbed at the cellular level and has no laxative effect. I also recommend its companion product, ReMyte (multiple mineral), a 12-mineral formula that is also absorbed fully into the cells and supports the thyroid and adrenals.
However in “sensitive” people, even ReMag can rev people up too much, or trigger an irritable bowel. If you are chronically fatigued and in, what I call, Total Body Meltdown, feeling revved up may make you feel weaker in the beginning. If that’s the case, just cut back and take less ReMag and then work up slowly! Take 1/4 tsp of ReMag in a liter of sea salted water and sip it through the day and slowly build up. Some customers may have to take only a few drops of ReMag in sea salted water and slowly increase.
Below are 15 of the most common reasons why you might feel worse, or think you feel worse, after taking magnesium. (I’ve added to this list several times since it was first published.)
Actually it’s not magnesium that’s making you worse but just the way you are taking it or other things you are or aren’t taking along with it or the amount of toxicity in your body. None of this means that magnesium is bad for you. You can think of magnesium – and ReMag – as a food that your body has been deprived of and desperately needs.
1. You’re not taking enough: When people feel worse with magnesium, I believe that the 700-800 enzyme systems that require magnesium just get jump-started and They Want More! Like everyone else, I used to write that magnesium was necessary in 325 enzyme systems but now, according to many researchers that number is more than twice what we previously thought.
In the above statement, my blog reader said she couldn’t take more that 200-300 mg. But all 800 enzyme systems want a piece of the action once they’re been woken up! And with each enzyme system pumping away they are using up the little magnesium you gave them and, like I said, They Want More!
This doesn’t mean that you’ll increase your magnesium ad infinitum! You will reach a saturation point of your magnesium stores and actually be able to decrease your magnesium intake. However, my blog reader isn’t going to get anywhere near the amount she needs if she keeps getting the laxative effect on 200-300mg. And getting the laxative effect so early will prevent her from getting the magnesium she needs to treat her magnesium deficiency symptoms. Some people think they have enough magnesium when they get the laxative effect and try to find other remedies for their symptoms.
That’s one of the main reasons I decided to create and promote Pico-Ionic Magnesium, ReMag. It’s absorbed 100% at the cellular level and has no laxative effect. So you can take as much as you require to eliminate all your magnesium deficiency symptoms. BUT, even with ReMag, if your bowels are “sensitive” just go slowly. Instead of the maintenance dose of 1/2 tsp twice a day or the therapeutic dose of 1-2 tsp twice a day, you can begin with 5-10 drops a day and take it with food. Then you increase by 10 drops every 2-3 days. To determine your magnesium saturation point, you can get a Magnesium RBC test through Request A Test. The range is usually given as 4.2-6.9 mg/dL; the optimum level is between 6.0-6.5mg/dL. It’s not the definitive magnesium test but it’s something that you can use to follow your magnesium saturation.
2. You’re taking too much: You can also feel worse on magnesium if you take too much, too soon. This usually happens if you have adrenal fatigue and weakness from magnesium deficiency. Anyone in this category should start very slowly on any new supplement or drug. If you take a high dose of magnesium right from the start it’s like using muscles that powered a bicycle and expect them to power a jet. Your body might just be so weak that revving up 800 enzyme systems all at once makes you feel jangled and even anxious or depressed because you don’t know what’s going on. Please try to understand that this may actually mean that you really do need more magnesium. Start with one quarter of the recommended dose of magnesium and work up as your body adapts.
3. You have low blood pressure from long-standing magnesium deficiency and adrenal fatigue. You may have heard that magnesium can lower your BP so you worry about that happening when your BP is already low. Here’s what is likely happening: Magnesium deficiency can cause an under-active autonomic nervous system leading to low blood pressure and poor circulatory system performance. This is another instance where you must begin by supplementing at about one quarter the recommended dose of magnesium and slowly build up. The other minerals offered in ReMyte are important in this case as well to support adrenals and thyroid and improve potassium levels.
4. You’re on heart medications and as your health conditions improve, your meds are becoming “toxic.” That’s because you may not require them anymore! Check with your doctor when you are using magnesium to treat health conditions and want to wean off your meds. For example, magnesium helps lower blood pressure. If you continue to take the same amounts of BP meds, your BP might get too low. This is not a “side effect” of magnesium. It’s a side effect of taking drugs when you don’t need them. Magnesium balances blood pressure. If you have low BP to begin with and are not on meds, start magnesium very slowly because, as I describe in #2, you want your body to slowly adapt to a mineral you may have been deficient in for a long time.
5. You’re on fluoridated medications that bind up your magnesium and make you deficient even when you’re taking magnesium. See a list of fluoridated medications at the Fluoride Toxicity Research Collaborative. Many common drugs are fluoridated: Prozac, Paxil, Lipitor, Cipro, Diflucan to name a few.
6. You’ve started taking iodine (in doses above the RDA) that speeds up your metabolism giving you heart palpitations that has nothing to do with magnesium deficiency. Even people who take low dose iodine without taking enough magnesium and selenium can run into iodine toxicity problems. ReMyte has the proper amounts of iodine and selenium, as well as zinc, manganese and copper to support the thyroid.
7. You’re taking too much Vitamin D: Here’s what happens. You feel great on your magnesium and then you begin to have more magnesium deficiency symptoms after adding a high-dose Vitamin D supplement. Magnesium is required to transform Vitamin D from its storage form to its active form and for many other aspects of Vitamin D metabolism. That means if you take the extremely high doses that allopathic doctors are now recommending you can plummet into magnesium deficiency and not know what the heck is happening. In general, I don’t recommend more than 1,000-2,000 IU of Vitamin D daily for this reason. And never take Vitamin D without magnesium. I’ve written several blogs on this topic trying to sort out what’s going on. Read Too Much Vitamin D? and The Vitamin D Debate.
8. You are taking too much calcium and it’s pushing out your magnesium: Read Why I Hate Calcium to understand why the most prescribed mineral is actually dangerous because it’s causing heart disease in women.
9. You’re taking magnesium and becoming dehydrated because you don’t take any other trace minerals and you don’t drink enough water. Read The Solution for Dehydration and take 1/4 tsp of sea salt in every liter of water you drink. How much water per day? Half your body weight (in lbs.) in ounces of water. ReMyte, mineral and electrolyte formula is the next step in proper mineral balance and an improvement on just using sea salt for mineral balance.
10. Magnesium is getting into your cells and detoxifying chemicals and heavy metals. Sometimes this can feel like a healing reaction. The symptoms can be an increase in muscle pain, joint pain and even skin rashes. That’s why I recommend that you build up your dosage of magnesium slowly as the cells detoxify and are finally able to work efficiently.
11. You have IBS, which is a sensitivity of the lining of the gut or you are very toxic ((with heavy metals, medications, bad diet, yeast overgrowth (see #15)) and even ReMag gives you symptoms because it’s trying to help you detox. ReMag goes directly into the cells and will cause the muscles to relax and that can cause diarrhea. That’s why I try to “warn” people with “health conditions” to go slowly on ReMag for all the many reasons I’ve cited.
12. You’re taking a magnesium glutamate or aspartate. I warn against taking these forms of magnesium in my blog Glutamates in Magnesium Chelates. According to neurosurgeon, Dr. Russell Blaylock, glutamate and aspartate can break down into individual amino acids and act as renegade neurotransmitters.
13. You are taking high doses of magnesium and not getting enough calcium in your diet. I talk about the need to balance magnesium and calcium by supplementing with about 600mg of magnesium and getting 600mg of calcium in your diet. However many people are on a dairy-free diet and just don’t get enough calcium. If it’s just lactose intolerance, try yogurt or kefir, make bone broth and eat non-lactose raw cheese. If they don’t total 600mg of calcium, take my ReCalcia. Click on my book ReMyte and ReCalcia for more information.
14. You are taking thyroid medication and you suddenly feel you are taking too much (increased pulse, feeling hot, hyperactive). The magnesium in ReMag and the 9 thyroid minerals in ReMyte can “wake up” your thyroid so that it begins to make its own thyroid hormone and you don’t require as much (or any) thyroid hormone anymore. (Be sure to check with your doctor and wean off slowly.)
15. Your Immune System kicks in and tried to kick out yeast. If you have yeast overgrowth and your newly activated immune system is trying to get it under control, you can experience some yeast die off. You may develop a rash, itchy skin, itchy ears, a coated tongue, changes in your bowel movements, or vaginitis. Please read my book ReSet The Yeast Connection to learn about how to implement my Yeast Detox Protocol.
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Thought this might help some people understand magnesium and it’s effects for floxies.
Barbara
David
4 years ago
It’s my understanding that drugs like Cipro damaged our mitochondria ….. leached the magnesium out of mitochondria, Recovery depends on replenishing our mitochondria. Since being floxed and recovering, I’ve had identical symptoms from a statin after five months and then doxycycline. All three damage mitochondria. Cipro initiated my depletion and now a huge assortment of meds will do the same in varying degrees. Apparently propofol is not recommended for people who have been floxed. Is this assessment I’ve been given same as yours in terms of understanding what happened to us?
Dee
4 years ago
John, thanks for your feedback about my skin! I don’t have any skin peeling at all. I had used the word “peeing” a lot. BUT yes my skin is really acting up. I got nummular eczema from having a skin growth cut out 2 years out from floxing. I have nice olive skin that never had any skin problems all of my 64 years!! Now wounds are irritated and take forever to heal and I have dry itchy skin with dry itchy “spots” on my hands. This all came on after this eczema was triggered by that procedure. I’m thinking my collagen matrix was comprised from floxing which from what I know is a common symptom and result from floxing??? Not sure what to do for it??? It concerns me that my wounds (simple little scratches) heal so very slowly!
Don M
4 years ago
John Taylor…… Comment on this. PEMF (PEMF stands for Pulsed Electromagnetic Field) PEMF among many other things/benefits will kill bacteria. For those who are new to it and have not heard about PEMF before … https://www.drpawluk.com/education/magnetic-science/new-pemf-start/
I add this because it very well could be a replacement for drugs/antibiotics for many. I use PEMF regularly.
There is also light therapy from light bulbs, light panels and Cold Laser instruments. All these use the light spectrum of red and/or infrared light.
Just bringing up alternatives to PILLS.
Michael
4 years ago
Hi all
I’d just like to follow-up from my post last week and say I am now almost 100% confident that what has caused my flare up was B6 toxicity.
I can’t believe that I’ve had both floxing and B6 toxicity but it has to be true.
Reason I say this is because I stopped all my B supps and within a week I am back at my baseline where I was a month ago and feeling like I was nearing the end of this.
So it could be a coincidence but I’ve done some research on this now and it seems to be another epidemic a la floxing.
There are people on FB groups reporting poly neuropathies with real low doses. UK had the upper limit as 10mg/day for supps and other places at 25mg/day.
Yet otc supps have doses as high as 100mg (what I was taking at times) alternetimg sometimes with 50mg p-5-p.
I just don’t believe this… but at the same time I’m glad I’ve figured it out.
So I’m going for low B6 diet and won’t be touching any B6 for now. I will take my B12 though.
Be aware everyone.
Dee
4 years ago
John Taylor, how much borax to how much water do you use each day? Do you drink it slowly throughout the day? Any side effects from borax? I’m assuming it is a small amount so probably pretty safe? Is there a point when you know you can stop drinking it? Any signs of improvement etc?? I am over 3 years out and “mostly” recovered except for this damn eczema that developed a year ago! I wish I could get that to go away! Argh!!!
Rick
4 years ago
Hello everyone,
This is my first post.
I took Cipro in Sept. 2011. 500mg x2 for 10 days.
I want to share with you a new product called Mitopure which is helping me.
I’m not affliated in any way and not promoting for anyone.
John Taylor – thank you for the comments and advice. One question, why not take Boron via trace minerals rather than Borax?
Dee
4 years ago
John Taylor. I thought you said to put 2 teaspoons of borax in a quart of water per day? Your last response said 2 spoonfuls per month?? Could you clarify please?
Don M
4 years ago
From the book……….Removal Protocol Dissolve two teaspoons of Borax in a quart of water. Drink an ounce daily.
Taylor, John. The Healthy Truth: Supplements and Dosage Signposts Used to Repair my Cipro Damage with Implications for Chemo Fatigue, Diabetes, Heart Fatigue, Weight Loss, Arthritis, Tendonitis… (pp. 21-22). Kindle Edition.
Don M
4 years ago
Fred S……….. I am working on it but not very far into it yet so I can’t say much about success yet.
Juju
4 years ago
First let me start by thanking you guys, particularly John for your dedication to this blog.
3 years ago I was crushed by a car in Cambodia, as I was busy (or rather un busily) recovering in bed from the crushed leg I started to develop swollen testicle tubes weeks after. The doctors just presumed it was Sexually transmitted (as i was a tourist in s.e asia) and i was injected with god knows what by one guy in a provincial hospital, the problem persisted so another in the city gave me azithromicin, the more opinions i got the more drugs i got. I eventually returned home to the western world and was diagnosed with varoceceles and epididymtis to remove the infection they gave me ciprofloxican, I returned to Cambodia and after a year it flared up again. I now know that they swelled again because varicoceles will effect me for life and especially in hot temperatures NOT the orginal infection. But at the time i was in so much pain I invested in more Cipro cause it was given to me last time, these drugs are available over the counter here. Stupid in hindsight I know to self diagnose but the agony is so severe id literally do anything. after a week or so of religious timekeeping swallowing those horrible drugs my shoulder tendons started twitching and felt like they would snap so I stopped taking (sadly not immediately.)
Since then ive had a seizure a year after but until now thought it was unrelated. its 3 years later and im trying to resume bodybuilding (i have a tendency to overtrain) and the tendons have started twitching again in my shoulder. I was all set to start doing tendinopathy and tendintis rehab when it dawned on me that it is lasting effects of those awful drugs and im just masking over the symptoms not tackling the problem. (I have had shoulder impingement in my right shoulder before and can tell the difference in pain, my left shoulder feels like the ligaments just arent the same)
John your straw that broke the camels back comment has really hit home with me thanks. Also the turkey comments because as a bodybuilder with limited funds the most cost efficient diet to supplement is chicken chicken chicken and more chicken and although i was aware they are pumped with antibiotics I never appreciated what that meant until this blog connected the dots.
I was feeling pretty down but compared to other peoples stories about losing teeth and achilles tendons rupturing etc i feel like my situation in comparison isnt soo bad (sorry to take consolidation from your misery guys)
Im 30 years old and have lived an athletes lifestyle with a very clean diet for 15 years and steered clear from any medicines so I guess maybe that has helped keep my symptoms to a minimum.
It is very depressing to me the thought that my bodybuilding days are numbered because of a drug, the ‘theory’ that it is DNA damage to mitochondria which may even be replicating has now left me utterly devastated. Now im afraid to train, and weight training has been my life.
Living in a 3rd world country Im not entirely sure how on earth I can acquire the many supplements and salts recommended but I shall endevour to try (when i get paid.. COVID has kept everyone here locked down for months)
You said you have completely recovered from being ‘floxed’ which has given me some inspiration but has anyone suffering from tendon damage seen any recovery from this or am I doomed for a life of avoiding shoulder exercises?? (which just about rules out most upperbody training :..(
Nine months after I became a Floxie and five months after I had removed the Cipro and Levaquin from my body, I pulled a tooth out tearing meat off a spare rib bone. After that I had loose teeth and root infections on my right molar and canine upper and lower sections. At one point I counted five teeth that could fall out of my mouth. I kept the infections at bay by soaking the gums in Vodka. I also used a soft bristle tooth brush to work the Vodka below the gum line. This is great way to kill gingivitis infections. As Vodka softens tarter it resolves that problem too.
Two and a half years later when I was no longer a Floxie and my body was repairing and rebuilding all the things toxicity had destroyed this tooth problem remained. Rather than continue to control it, I visited my dentist for help in solving this problem. He said two things “Teeth are held in place by ligaments and you need a root canal on tooth 3.” Tooth 3 was the worst and once for a week I had to hold in place with my tongue. It had fallen 1/8” at this point and I was sure the nerve couldn’t stretch that much without breaking. So, it had to be infected and Vodka was never going to clear that infection.
Well, I didn’t know that teeth are held in place by ligaments as I have no formal education about body structure since high school. I took the supplements to strengthen ligaments and tendons, including glucosamine and about three weeks later my teeth were tight. I told the endodontist my story and chose Cipro as the antibiotic I wanted to use as it is easily removed from your body in about four days whereas Azithromycin took 9 months.
Thoughtlessly I continued to take Magnesium pills and four days later when the infection had improved but plateaued, I finally had the thought “You idiot you can’t take Magnesium and Cipro together. Your removing the Cipro.”
Being exposed to 5 grams of Cipro was very damaging. I had lost muscle and was stumbling again as my balancing muscles were too weak to do their job. My skin was itchy with red scaly spots plus about 6 other symptoms. Blood glucose had shot up 20 points. My daily thyroid temperature graph went down another half a degree. My sleep pattern was erratic and I had to nap during the day. Maybe Cipro wasn’t the best idea. “Do you think?”
Then I started the removal process by soaking both feet in a heated foot bath with Epsom Salts and Magnesium Chloride twice a day for as long as I have computer work to do. I rubbed Magnesium Chloride on my itchy skin and my arthritic/tendonitis hand. Bam gone. 24 hours later I am sleeping better, my temperature is up about 0.4 degrees, and I feel the diabetes effects are getting better.
Would I choose Cipro again? I don’t know yet. I want to see the effect on the fasting glucose trend chart. That could take 3 weeks to begin to see the effect and I want to see how fast it declines. I also want to see the effect of this new Borax protocol. I am taking a 1/4 teaspoon in 10 ounces of water each day for a week and then go back to diabetes supplements for three weeks. I will change the number of Borax days per month to find an optimum amount of each treatment period. All this can take months. As the toxins continue to be removed, I suspect the amount of Borax I need with this high intensity protocol will go down. I know the weight of Borax I used to remove the toxins and doing it faster would be better. The question I face now is there any of the original stuff left and then how long does It take to remove this month’s accumulation.
Which antibiotic will I use next time? Maybe I won’t face that question for another 28 years. At that point, may choose no treatments at all.
My next blog will answer the questions you have posed that I didn’t cover here.
LOL
John Taylor The Healthy Truth
alvin walker
4 years ago
I cannot find an attorney who will accept my claim based on a severe reaction to the GENERIC brand of ciprofloxacin. I have incurred huge medical expenses and neuropathy issues. My email: alvinannp@aol.com.
Thanks……Alvin M.Walker
Juju
4 years ago
Hey Everyone,
Just wondering if anyone has explored the option of doing breathe holds, seeing as though the on going damage to our bodies is being caused by oxidative stress and free radicals and breath holds are supposed to reduce free radicals?
Blair
4 years ago
John Taylor, good info, do you think the meat and poultry at Whole Foods Market is safe? They claim no antibiotics.
Blair
4 years ago
Thanks John Taylor. Whole Foods Market sells Plainville Farms turkey and chicken. Their web site and labels say:
Never Ever Given Antibiotics
Vegetarian Fed
Humanely Raised†
No Added Growth Hormones** and Steroids
So I’m assuming it’s safe for us.
How does one know if we have high Azithromycin levels in our body? Will any test show this?
Orf
4 years ago
Hello folks,
200 days detox now from 5 levofloxacin poison pills, knocked me into the dirt, the sad story we all know only to well, tendons shredded, 10/10 pain unable to walk, so weak and pain wracked- could not tear tissue paper, left arm and right leg paralyzed, crawled to the M.D. who poisoned me no help “will it go away”? “I hope so” was the reply, Useless- found this site and got on Magnesium, B6, B12, Selenium, Vit.D etc. helped me a lot but by the time I found the information it was to late, took me ten days or so to find the information and take the antidotes. M.D. knew nothing about it, admitted that it was a reaction to the drug. His staff was horrified when I crawled into his off ice looking for help- nothing.
2nd visit to get a wrist brace for my hand and a boot for my foot- the 2nd Doc denied that it happened first one was there and confirmed it was antibiotic reaction.
Also had nightmares, brain fog, troubled sleep when I could sleep- sharp weird pains all over body left arm hand and right leg swollen, achillies tedon pain and all the other horrors.
That’s the sad story so many of us know only to well.
The good news is that I am about 75 percent recovered. I can walk, I can do my tai chi type old man kung fu and can do stake standing chi gung exercise for 90 min. still have some tendon pains in hands and legs post exercise but its a helluva improvement. And I am very thankful for what I have got back.
I am thankful for the advice I got from Lisa here and all of the people on this website.
Do not give up! you will get better, you will have setbacks, endurance is the key, go easy on yourself, if you over do it to early with exercise trying to rehab. you will pay (I sure as hell did more than once.) Your body will tell you- less is more for real. 100 days for me was when I started to see some improvement.
I saw a P.A. as my medical provider about a week ago, the MD who damn near did me in had left the area and I needed a new PCM. would not have got back to the old MD anyway. I told him (The P.A.) what happened and to my surprise he was aware of the possible effects of the “quin” antibiotics. He said it was rare, I told him the story and gave him the information about Magnesium antidote etc, I also provided the info to a nurse I know for patient safety in service training. And a link to Floxie hope. Still trying to get the word out anyway I can.
God bless you and heal you all.
Orf.
Bob Clement
4 years ago
John might not be a doctor but Rex Newnham, Ph.D., D.O., N.D was. Do some more research! John might not be a doctor but he is spending his time trying to help others and I for one am grateful for him pointing this out to me.
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When Magnesium Makes Me Worse
October 11, 2012
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When people take a drug or a supplement they take it with the expectation that it will make them feel better. We know that’s not always the case with drugs but what about supplements?
I wrote the original post Oct 11, 2011. Since then it’s had almost one million views. By 2017, many people were reading the second edition of The Magnesium Miracle (2017) and hearing about magnesium. As a result, more people are taking magnesium than ever before and a few people are wondering why it sometimes makes them feel worse.
In about 1 out of 100 people there can be a shift in symptoms that you don’t understand. Here’s how one reader put it. “My obvious magnesium deficiency symptoms, cramping, muscle aches, headaches, etc., are worsening slightly rather than getting better. Anxiety is the only thing that has gotten better. Is this normal? I’m using magnesium oil and magnesium citrate but not yet able to tolerate more than 200-300mg without getting diarrhea.”
For the side effect of diarrhea, I recommend switching to my magnesium product, ReMag because it’s fully absorbed at the cellular level and has no laxative effect. I also recommend its companion product, ReMyte (multiple mineral), a 12-mineral formula that is also absorbed fully into the cells and supports the thyroid and adrenals.
However in “sensitive” people, even ReMag can rev people up too much, or trigger an irritable bowel. If you are chronically fatigued and in, what I call, Total Body Meltdown, feeling revved up may make you feel weaker in the beginning. If that’s the case, just cut back and take less ReMag and then work up slowly! Take 1/4 tsp of ReMag in a liter of sea salted water and sip it through the day and slowly build up. Some customers may have to take only a few drops of ReMag in sea salted water and slowly increase.
Below are 15 of the most common reasons why you might feel worse, or think you feel worse, after taking magnesium. (I’ve added to this list several times since it was first published.)
Actually it’s not magnesium that’s making you worse but just the way you are taking it or other things you are or aren’t taking along with it or the amount of toxicity in your body. None of this means that magnesium is bad for you. You can think of magnesium – and ReMag – as a food that your body has been deprived of and desperately needs.
1. You’re not taking enough: When people feel worse with magnesium, I believe that the 700-800 enzyme systems that require magnesium just get jump-started and They Want More! Like everyone else, I used to write that magnesium was necessary in 325 enzyme systems but now, according to many researchers that number is more than twice what we previously thought.
In the above statement, my blog reader said she couldn’t take more that 200-300 mg. But all 800 enzyme systems want a piece of the action once they’re been woken up! And with each enzyme system pumping away they are using up the little magnesium you gave them and, like I said, They Want More!
This doesn’t mean that you’ll increase your magnesium ad infinitum! You will reach a saturation point of your magnesium stores and actually be able to decrease your magnesium intake. However, my blog reader isn’t going to get anywhere near the amount she needs if she keeps getting the laxative effect on 200-300mg. And getting the laxative effect so early will prevent her from getting the magnesium she needs to treat her magnesium deficiency symptoms. Some people think they have enough magnesium when they get the laxative effect and try to find other remedies for their symptoms.
That’s one of the main reasons I decided to create and promote Pico-Ionic Magnesium, ReMag. It’s absorbed 100% at the cellular level and has no laxative effect. So you can take as much as you require to eliminate all your magnesium deficiency symptoms. BUT, even with ReMag, if your bowels are “sensitive” just go slowly. Instead of the maintenance dose of 1/2 tsp twice a day or the therapeutic dose of 1-2 tsp twice a day, you can begin with 5-10 drops a day and take it with food. Then you increase by 10 drops every 2-3 days. To determine your magnesium saturation point, you can get a Magnesium RBC test through Request A Test. The range is usually given as 4.2-6.9 mg/dL; the optimum level is between 6.0-6.5mg/dL. It’s not the definitive magnesium test but it’s something that you can use to follow your magnesium saturation.
2. You’re taking too much: You can also feel worse on magnesium if you take too much, too soon. This usually happens if you have adrenal fatigue and weakness from magnesium deficiency. Anyone in this category should start very slowly on any new supplement or drug. If you take a high dose of magnesium right from the start it’s like using muscles that powered a bicycle and expect them to power a jet. Your body might just be so weak that revving up 800 enzyme systems all at once makes you feel jangled and even anxious or depressed because you don’t know what’s going on. Please try to understand that this may actually mean that you really do need more magnesium. Start with one quarter of the recommended dose of magnesium and work up as your body adapts.
3. You have low blood pressure from long-standing magnesium deficiency and adrenal fatigue. You may have heard that magnesium can lower your BP so you worry about that happening when your BP is already low. Here’s what is likely happening: Magnesium deficiency can cause an under-active autonomic nervous system leading to low blood pressure and poor circulatory system performance. This is another instance where you must begin by supplementing at about one quarter the recommended dose of magnesium and slowly build up. The other minerals offered in ReMyte are important in this case as well to support adrenals and thyroid and improve potassium levels.
4. You’re on heart medications and as your health conditions improve, your meds are becoming “toxic.” That’s because you may not require them anymore! Check with your doctor when you are using magnesium to treat health conditions and want to wean off your meds. For example, magnesium helps lower blood pressure. If you continue to take the same amounts of BP meds, your BP might get too low. This is not a “side effect” of magnesium. It’s a side effect of taking drugs when you don’t need them. Magnesium balances blood pressure. If you have low BP to begin with and are not on meds, start magnesium very slowly because, as I describe in #2, you want your body to slowly adapt to a mineral you may have been deficient in for a long time.
5. You’re on fluoridated medications that bind up your magnesium and make you deficient even when you’re taking magnesium. See a list of fluoridated medications at the Fluoride Toxicity Research Collaborative. Many common drugs are fluoridated: Prozac, Paxil, Lipitor, Cipro, Diflucan to name a few.
6. You’ve started taking iodine (in doses above the RDA) that speeds up your metabolism giving you heart palpitations that has nothing to do with magnesium deficiency. Even people who take low dose iodine without taking enough magnesium and selenium can run into iodine toxicity problems. ReMyte has the proper amounts of iodine and selenium, as well as zinc, manganese and copper to support the thyroid.
7. You’re taking too much Vitamin D: Here’s what happens. You feel great on your magnesium and then you begin to have more magnesium deficiency symptoms after adding a high-dose Vitamin D supplement. Magnesium is required to transform Vitamin D from its storage form to its active form and for many other aspects of Vitamin D metabolism. That means if you take the extremely high doses that allopathic doctors are now recommending you can plummet into magnesium deficiency and not know what the heck is happening. In general, I don’t recommend more than 1,000-2,000 IU of Vitamin D daily for this reason. And never take Vitamin D without magnesium. I’ve written several blogs on this topic trying to sort out what’s going on. Read Too Much Vitamin D? and The Vitamin D Debate.
8. You are taking too much calcium and it’s pushing out your magnesium: Read Why I Hate Calcium to understand why the most prescribed mineral is actually dangerous because it’s causing heart disease in women.
9. You’re taking magnesium and becoming dehydrated because you don’t take any other trace minerals and you don’t drink enough water. Read The Solution for Dehydration and take 1/4 tsp of sea salt in every liter of water you drink. How much water per day? Half your body weight (in lbs.) in ounces of water. ReMyte, mineral and electrolyte formula is the next step in proper mineral balance and an improvement on just using sea salt for mineral balance.
10. Magnesium is getting into your cells and detoxifying chemicals and heavy metals. Sometimes this can feel like a healing reaction. The symptoms can be an increase in muscle pain, joint pain and even skin rashes. That’s why I recommend that you build up your dosage of magnesium slowly as the cells detoxify and are finally able to work efficiently.
11. You have IBS, which is a sensitivity of the lining of the gut or you are very toxic ((with heavy metals, medications, bad diet, yeast overgrowth (see #15)) and even ReMag gives you symptoms because it’s trying to help you detox. ReMag goes directly into the cells and will cause the muscles to relax and that can cause diarrhea. That’s why I try to “warn” people with “health conditions” to go slowly on ReMag for all the many reasons I’ve cited.
12. You’re taking a magnesium glutamate or aspartate. I warn against taking these forms of magnesium in my blog Glutamates in Magnesium Chelates. According to neurosurgeon, Dr. Russell Blaylock, glutamate and aspartate can break down into individual amino acids and act as renegade neurotransmitters.
13. You are taking high doses of magnesium and not getting enough calcium in your diet. I talk about the need to balance magnesium and calcium by supplementing with about 600mg of magnesium and getting 600mg of calcium in your diet. However many people are on a dairy-free diet and just don’t get enough calcium. If it’s just lactose intolerance, try yogurt or kefir, make bone broth and eat non-lactose raw cheese. If they don’t total 600mg of calcium, take my ReCalcia. Click on my book ReMyte and ReCalcia for more information.
14. You are taking thyroid medication and you suddenly feel you are taking too much (increased pulse, feeling hot, hyperactive). The magnesium in ReMag and the 9 thyroid minerals in ReMyte can “wake up” your thyroid so that it begins to make its own thyroid hormone and you don’t require as much (or any) thyroid hormone anymore. (Be sure to check with your doctor and wean off slowly.)
15. Your Immune System kicks in and tried to kick out yeast. If you have yeast overgrowth and your newly activated immune system is trying to get it under control, you can experience some yeast die off. You may develop a rash, itchy skin, itchy ears, a coated tongue, changes in your bowel movements, or vaginitis. Please read my book ReSet The Yeast Connection to learn about how to implement my Yeast Detox Protocol.
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Thought this might help some people understand magnesium and it’s effects for floxies.
Barbara
It’s my understanding that drugs like Cipro damaged our mitochondria ….. leached the magnesium out of mitochondria, Recovery depends on replenishing our mitochondria. Since being floxed and recovering, I’ve had identical symptoms from a statin after five months and then doxycycline. All three damage mitochondria. Cipro initiated my depletion and now a huge assortment of meds will do the same in varying degrees. Apparently propofol is not recommended for people who have been floxed. Is this assessment I’ve been given same as yours in terms of understanding what happened to us?
John, thanks for your feedback about my skin! I don’t have any skin peeling at all. I had used the word “peeing” a lot. BUT yes my skin is really acting up. I got nummular eczema from having a skin growth cut out 2 years out from floxing. I have nice olive skin that never had any skin problems all of my 64 years!! Now wounds are irritated and take forever to heal and I have dry itchy skin with dry itchy “spots” on my hands. This all came on after this eczema was triggered by that procedure. I’m thinking my collagen matrix was comprised from floxing which from what I know is a common symptom and result from floxing??? Not sure what to do for it??? It concerns me that my wounds (simple little scratches) heal so very slowly!
John Taylor…… Comment on this. PEMF (PEMF stands for Pulsed Electromagnetic Field) PEMF among many other things/benefits will kill bacteria. For those who are new to it and have not heard about PEMF before … https://www.drpawluk.com/education/magnetic-science/new-pemf-start/
I add this because it very well could be a replacement for drugs/antibiotics for many. I use PEMF regularly.
There is also light therapy from light bulbs, light panels and Cold Laser instruments. All these use the light spectrum of red and/or infrared light.
Just bringing up alternatives to PILLS.
Hi all
I’d just like to follow-up from my post last week and say I am now almost 100% confident that what has caused my flare up was B6 toxicity.
I can’t believe that I’ve had both floxing and B6 toxicity but it has to be true.
Reason I say this is because I stopped all my B supps and within a week I am back at my baseline where I was a month ago and feeling like I was nearing the end of this.
So it could be a coincidence but I’ve done some research on this now and it seems to be another epidemic a la floxing.
There are people on FB groups reporting poly neuropathies with real low doses. UK had the upper limit as 10mg/day for supps and other places at 25mg/day.
Yet otc supps have doses as high as 100mg (what I was taking at times) alternetimg sometimes with 50mg p-5-p.
I just don’t believe this… but at the same time I’m glad I’ve figured it out.
So I’m going for low B6 diet and won’t be touching any B6 for now. I will take my B12 though.
Be aware everyone.
John Taylor, how much borax to how much water do you use each day? Do you drink it slowly throughout the day? Any side effects from borax? I’m assuming it is a small amount so probably pretty safe? Is there a point when you know you can stop drinking it? Any signs of improvement etc?? I am over 3 years out and “mostly” recovered except for this damn eczema that developed a year ago! I wish I could get that to go away! Argh!!!
Hello everyone,
This is my first post.
I took Cipro in Sept. 2011. 500mg x2 for 10 days.
I want to share with you a new product called Mitopure which is helping me.
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Sharing this with colleagues.
John Taylor – thank you for the comments and advice. One question, why not take Boron via trace minerals rather than Borax?
John Taylor. I thought you said to put 2 teaspoons of borax in a quart of water per day? Your last response said 2 spoonfuls per month?? Could you clarify please?
From the book……….Removal Protocol Dissolve two teaspoons of Borax in a quart of water. Drink an ounce daily.
Taylor, John. The Healthy Truth: Supplements and Dosage Signposts Used to Repair my Cipro Damage with Implications for Chemo Fatigue, Diabetes, Heart Fatigue, Weight Loss, Arthritis, Tendonitis… (pp. 21-22). Kindle Edition.
Fred S……….. I am working on it but not very far into it yet so I can’t say much about success yet.
First let me start by thanking you guys, particularly John for your dedication to this blog.
3 years ago I was crushed by a car in Cambodia, as I was busy (or rather un busily) recovering in bed from the crushed leg I started to develop swollen testicle tubes weeks after. The doctors just presumed it was Sexually transmitted (as i was a tourist in s.e asia) and i was injected with god knows what by one guy in a provincial hospital, the problem persisted so another in the city gave me azithromicin, the more opinions i got the more drugs i got. I eventually returned home to the western world and was diagnosed with varoceceles and epididymtis to remove the infection they gave me ciprofloxican, I returned to Cambodia and after a year it flared up again. I now know that they swelled again because varicoceles will effect me for life and especially in hot temperatures NOT the orginal infection. But at the time i was in so much pain I invested in more Cipro cause it was given to me last time, these drugs are available over the counter here. Stupid in hindsight I know to self diagnose but the agony is so severe id literally do anything. after a week or so of religious timekeeping swallowing those horrible drugs my shoulder tendons started twitching and felt like they would snap so I stopped taking (sadly not immediately.)
Since then ive had a seizure a year after but until now thought it was unrelated. its 3 years later and im trying to resume bodybuilding (i have a tendency to overtrain) and the tendons have started twitching again in my shoulder. I was all set to start doing tendinopathy and tendintis rehab when it dawned on me that it is lasting effects of those awful drugs and im just masking over the symptoms not tackling the problem. (I have had shoulder impingement in my right shoulder before and can tell the difference in pain, my left shoulder feels like the ligaments just arent the same)
John your straw that broke the camels back comment has really hit home with me thanks. Also the turkey comments because as a bodybuilder with limited funds the most cost efficient diet to supplement is chicken chicken chicken and more chicken and although i was aware they are pumped with antibiotics I never appreciated what that meant until this blog connected the dots.
I was feeling pretty down but compared to other peoples stories about losing teeth and achilles tendons rupturing etc i feel like my situation in comparison isnt soo bad (sorry to take consolidation from your misery guys)
Im 30 years old and have lived an athletes lifestyle with a very clean diet for 15 years and steered clear from any medicines so I guess maybe that has helped keep my symptoms to a minimum.
It is very depressing to me the thought that my bodybuilding days are numbered because of a drug, the ‘theory’ that it is DNA damage to mitochondria which may even be replicating has now left me utterly devastated. Now im afraid to train, and weight training has been my life.
Living in a 3rd world country Im not entirely sure how on earth I can acquire the many supplements and salts recommended but I shall endevour to try (when i get paid.. COVID has kept everyone here locked down for months)
You said you have completely recovered from being ‘floxed’ which has given me some inspiration but has anyone suffering from tendon damage seen any recovery from this or am I doomed for a life of avoiding shoulder exercises?? (which just about rules out most upperbody training :..(
Hi All,
Nine months after I became a Floxie and five months after I had removed the Cipro and Levaquin from my body, I pulled a tooth out tearing meat off a spare rib bone. After that I had loose teeth and root infections on my right molar and canine upper and lower sections. At one point I counted five teeth that could fall out of my mouth. I kept the infections at bay by soaking the gums in Vodka. I also used a soft bristle tooth brush to work the Vodka below the gum line. This is great way to kill gingivitis infections. As Vodka softens tarter it resolves that problem too.
Two and a half years later when I was no longer a Floxie and my body was repairing and rebuilding all the things toxicity had destroyed this tooth problem remained. Rather than continue to control it, I visited my dentist for help in solving this problem. He said two things “Teeth are held in place by ligaments and you need a root canal on tooth 3.” Tooth 3 was the worst and once for a week I had to hold in place with my tongue. It had fallen 1/8” at this point and I was sure the nerve couldn’t stretch that much without breaking. So, it had to be infected and Vodka was never going to clear that infection.
Well, I didn’t know that teeth are held in place by ligaments as I have no formal education about body structure since high school. I took the supplements to strengthen ligaments and tendons, including glucosamine and about three weeks later my teeth were tight. I told the endodontist my story and chose Cipro as the antibiotic I wanted to use as it is easily removed from your body in about four days whereas Azithromycin took 9 months.
Thoughtlessly I continued to take Magnesium pills and four days later when the infection had improved but plateaued, I finally had the thought “You idiot you can’t take Magnesium and Cipro together. Your removing the Cipro.”
Being exposed to 5 grams of Cipro was very damaging. I had lost muscle and was stumbling again as my balancing muscles were too weak to do their job. My skin was itchy with red scaly spots plus about 6 other symptoms. Blood glucose had shot up 20 points. My daily thyroid temperature graph went down another half a degree. My sleep pattern was erratic and I had to nap during the day. Maybe Cipro wasn’t the best idea. “Do you think?”
Then I started the removal process by soaking both feet in a heated foot bath with Epsom Salts and Magnesium Chloride twice a day for as long as I have computer work to do. I rubbed Magnesium Chloride on my itchy skin and my arthritic/tendonitis hand. Bam gone. 24 hours later I am sleeping better, my temperature is up about 0.4 degrees, and I feel the diabetes effects are getting better.
Would I choose Cipro again? I don’t know yet. I want to see the effect on the fasting glucose trend chart. That could take 3 weeks to begin to see the effect and I want to see how fast it declines. I also want to see the effect of this new Borax protocol. I am taking a 1/4 teaspoon in 10 ounces of water each day for a week and then go back to diabetes supplements for three weeks. I will change the number of Borax days per month to find an optimum amount of each treatment period. All this can take months. As the toxins continue to be removed, I suspect the amount of Borax I need with this high intensity protocol will go down. I know the weight of Borax I used to remove the toxins and doing it faster would be better. The question I face now is there any of the original stuff left and then how long does It take to remove this month’s accumulation.
Which antibiotic will I use next time? Maybe I won’t face that question for another 28 years. At that point, may choose no treatments at all.
My next blog will answer the questions you have posed that I didn’t cover here.
LOL
John Taylor The Healthy Truth
I cannot find an attorney who will accept my claim based on a severe reaction to the GENERIC brand of ciprofloxacin. I have incurred huge medical expenses and neuropathy issues. My email: alvinannp@aol.com.
Thanks……Alvin M.Walker
Hey Everyone,
Just wondering if anyone has explored the option of doing breathe holds, seeing as though the on going damage to our bodies is being caused by oxidative stress and free radicals and breath holds are supposed to reduce free radicals?
John Taylor, good info, do you think the meat and poultry at Whole Foods Market is safe? They claim no antibiotics.
Thanks John Taylor. Whole Foods Market sells Plainville Farms turkey and chicken. Their web site and labels say:
Never Ever Given Antibiotics
Vegetarian Fed
Humanely Raised†
No Added Growth Hormones** and Steroids
So I’m assuming it’s safe for us.
How does one know if we have high Azithromycin levels in our body? Will any test show this?
Hello folks,
200 days detox now from 5 levofloxacin poison pills, knocked me into the dirt, the sad story we all know only to well, tendons shredded, 10/10 pain unable to walk, so weak and pain wracked- could not tear tissue paper, left arm and right leg paralyzed, crawled to the M.D. who poisoned me no help “will it go away”? “I hope so” was the reply, Useless- found this site and got on Magnesium, B6, B12, Selenium, Vit.D etc. helped me a lot but by the time I found the information it was to late, took me ten days or so to find the information and take the antidotes. M.D. knew nothing about it, admitted that it was a reaction to the drug. His staff was horrified when I crawled into his off ice looking for help- nothing.
2nd visit to get a wrist brace for my hand and a boot for my foot- the 2nd Doc denied that it happened first one was there and confirmed it was antibiotic reaction.
Also had nightmares, brain fog, troubled sleep when I could sleep- sharp weird pains all over body left arm hand and right leg swollen, achillies tedon pain and all the other horrors.
That’s the sad story so many of us know only to well.
The good news is that I am about 75 percent recovered. I can walk, I can do my tai chi type old man kung fu and can do stake standing chi gung exercise for 90 min. still have some tendon pains in hands and legs post exercise but its a helluva improvement. And I am very thankful for what I have got back.
I am thankful for the advice I got from Lisa here and all of the people on this website.
Do not give up! you will get better, you will have setbacks, endurance is the key, go easy on yourself, if you over do it to early with exercise trying to rehab. you will pay (I sure as hell did more than once.) Your body will tell you- less is more for real. 100 days for me was when I started to see some improvement.
I saw a P.A. as my medical provider about a week ago, the MD who damn near did me in had left the area and I needed a new PCM. would not have got back to the old MD anyway. I told him (The P.A.) what happened and to my surprise he was aware of the possible effects of the “quin” antibiotics. He said it was rare, I told him the story and gave him the information about Magnesium antidote etc, I also provided the info to a nurse I know for patient safety in service training. And a link to Floxie hope. Still trying to get the word out anyway I can.
God bless you and heal you all.
Orf.
John might not be a doctor but Rex Newnham, Ph.D., D.O., N.D was. Do some more research! John might not be a doctor but he is spending his time trying to help others and I for one am grateful for him pointing this out to me.