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Oh, and Cipro is on the list of drugs the klebsiella is sensitive to, but there is NO WAY I’m taking that again!!!!
rich
10 years ago
Hi guys
Rich 28 from London here newely floxed after 12 cipro 500 x2 a day 2 months ago… I thought I was feeling weird! …..got given these for poss prostatitis that I prob never had .. just short term pelvic pain from stress…. ..I didn’t know only 5% of men ever have the bacterial version ..everyone else it comes down to tight pelvic muscles from stress but the urologist would never say this …most prob don’t know! …that’s a whole different story
anyways ive had all the symptoms…..still have a few so am joining the club for hopefully not too long but wish to provide my healed story in the future and be a support for others………
at present I have slight tight calves and Achilles that comes and goes…..one knee seems to be burning on and off…..waking up during the night like ive had a nightmare…..random pin pricks of pain over body and muscle twitches….everywhere!……
Ive had my moments of moping and now ready for the fight!
over and out
rich
10 years ago
the symptoms ive had in the past.and hopefully wont have again….I seem to be working through the whole log and they seem to be worse at night in bed….can be scary when you live on your own!
– waking up to feel like I was a dried out prune….like spongebob when he reaches land
-eye pain
-shooting calf pain
-Achilles feeling like they were in an oven
– serious depersonalization….zombie mode
-jelly legs and crawling sensations on legs
-wrists locked up for a few seconds when I was asleep
– slight tenis elbow on both elbows
rich
10 years ago
also thanks lisa for making this site…..your a saviour if I win the lotto I will buy you something nice …
daniela
10 years ago
How come several doctors knew what my symptoms were going to be? After weeks of IV and oral cipro, I had diarrhea, chills, weakness, barely out of bed, but the doctors kept saying, Tinnitus? Joints, tendons? Anxiety? I answered, NO, why are you asking me that? THEN the tinnitus kicked in. THEN the joints/tendons. THEN bizarre anxiety? THEN vertigo. Then more tendon issues. Vision problems. Here I am a few years later and can’t help wondering how they predicted what I was going to have, but still deny that it’s related to cipro. I am diagnosed with mono, chronic fatigue, ear infection, vertigo, lyme, RA — all coincidental? One dr insists the tendonitis must start WHILE on cipro, another says, It’s all part of the mystery of the human body.
Oh well. My advice for pain — rub turmeric powder where it hurts. I’ve made an arnica oil and I put powdered turmeric into it. It turns everything yellow orange. Sometimes I cover myself in the powder and take an epsom salt bath. I have an orange tub and orange sheets! But it really works the very next day or so and lasts several days.
Yay! I think the chills and tinnitus are mostly gone, definitely much more manageable after four years. I hope the turmeric will eventually wipe out the tendon issues, but it is really scary every morning to see what I will tear next that day. I think one knee and one shoulder are permanent.
Any advice about the depersonalisation — I know pain is bad, but depersonalisation is the worst!
I’m going to the church supply or ethiopian store to get frankincense, supposed to be good for arthritis, asthma, meditation — I hope it’s the ticket 🙂
“Waiting by the mailbox, by the train
Passing by the hills ’til I hear the name
I’m looking for a saw to cut these chains in half
And all I want is someone to rely on
As thunder comes a rolling down
Someone to rely on
As lightning comes a staring in again
I’ll wait to be forgiven
Maybe I never will
My star has left me
To take the bitter pill
That shattered feeling
Well, the cause of, it’s a lesson learned
Just don’t know if I could roll into the sea again
Just don’t know if I could do it all again
She said, “It’s true”
Waiting in my room and I lock the door
I watch the colored animals across the floor
And I’m looking from a distance
And I’m listening to the whispers
And oh, it ain’t the same
When you’re falling out of feeling
And you’re falling in and caught again
Caught again
I’m caught again in the mystery
You’re by my side, but are you still with me?
The answer’s somewhere deep in it
I’m sorry but you’re feeling it
But I just have to tell you
That I love you so much these days
Have to tell you
That I love you so much these days, it’s true
My heart is in economy
Due to this autonomy
Rolling in and caught again
Caught again, caught again, caught again
My heart is in economy
(Caught again)
Due to this autonomy
(Caught again)
Rolling in and caught again
Caught again”
Brandon Block
10 years ago
Anyone have any thoughts for those of us who appear Magnesium intolerant. When I take it my CNS symptoms get worse, get dizziness and often flare ups of peripheral nueropathy. Strangely I don’t have any digestive side effects. If magnesium is the key to gettting better, but we can’t tolerate it, then what? A
Brandon Block
10 years ago
As for the mental issues, I took small doses of clonazepam when the anxiety and lack of focus was at its worst, and monitored what I took carefully to keep from getting addicted. The clonazepam pretty much saved my life, as I was having sucidal panics that melted away when I took those meds. From what I read Benzos can cause people huge problems, but for me under close supervision they got me through the worst of the panic attacks.
Jordan
10 years ago
Lisa,
Have you had contact with other Floxies that had relapsed after many years of good health? I can’t find anyone that has and recovered.
Brandon Block
10 years ago
Has anyone ever had a positive test for protein in urine following floxing. Interested in finding out more about kidney issues…
Debs
10 years ago
Hi all,
One thing to please keep in mind regarding magnesium , is that it is always wise before beginning supplementation with it to get your kidney function assessed. FQs can cause kidney issues, both acute & chronic. Kidney damage/ dysfunction ( chronic kidney disease specifically ) very often does not show any outward signs until a lot of the function has been lost, sometimes not until around 60 % of the function is lost & magnesium can be hard on the kidneys, I have FQ induced CKD myself now. I would also urge that if ever anyone decides to have a scan with contrast ( which imo, is not needed as often as they like us to think it is) that it is imperative to get your kidney function tested BEFORE agreeing to this, for the very same reasons. Epsom salts baths are also not suitable for all , prior to my kidney issues I was never able to tolerate them, they left me as weak as a kitten for days on end, & before I realised this was the cause, I had times when I was unable to even get myself out of the bath .
As someone who has been in this parallel universe for a very long time & having also experienced all types of ADRs, neuropsychiatric, cognitive & physical , they all suck big time, however I found the neuropsychiatric symptoms the hardest to deal with , the 12 years of hell I went through & the Iatrogenic triggering of complications of this even more so, with my physical symptoms, yes I may at times be in a lot of pain but at least there are fleeting moments i can transcend this, with my neuropsychiatric reactions this was just not possible at all, & the specific cognitive dysfunction issues I have now triggered by my last severe floxing, I also find hard to deal with.
I would just like to say a few things here about the psychotropic drugs. I believe that everyone should be given full informed consent on these drugs. The psychotropic drugs, although they indeed have their place & can literally save someones life if one is suicidal, ( due to the fact they flatten emotional effect, thus leaving you unable to act on these feelings, ) when used short term in those circumstance they are very useful ( & please keep in mind I am not in any way trying to dictate here whether someone should or should not take them, ) as I said above people must be given FULL informed consent on these drugs, & believe me you will NOT get that on ANY psychotropic drug from ANY psychiatrist, being as they are, joined at the hip with Big Pharma, they do very nicely indeed financially, both paid handsomely for every one they prescribe, & the inventing & voting in of new psychiatric ‘ diagnoses ‘ into the latest Diagnostic & statistical manual ( DSM ), also from the misinformation they trot out, re the so called chemical imbalance biomedical model, they state is responsible for mental illness, which actually does not exist.
These drugs IMO, compound our issues still further, due to them triggering chemical imbalances in the brain, which are just not there before you take them, then if you continue to take them long term, either voluntarily, or if you are unable to get off of them due to withdrawal effects ( which btw, is your brains attempt at trying to rebalance these chemicals ) you are then on the train to psychopharmas long term agenda-land, where they are causing long term, all the conditions where we end up with no choice but ending up having to take even more of Big Pharmas poisons if we actually want to stay alive , for conditions such as CKD/ heart disease/ diabetes etc, which the various psychotropic drugs WILL trigger in many people if taken for long enough. they also, if taken long term have the potential to cause the various dementias. I have the benefit ? of being able to look back over many years ,of being able to see things from many angles. Myself having spent 14 years researching all aspects of psychiatry / drugs because of my experiences I knew there was something very wrong with psychiatry.& those drugs. Believe me I have seen this happen very often, In my 23 years trapped in that world , I saw too many people lose their lives due to this very scenario, lost friends, many of them in their late 30s & 40s, THIS is the information which psychiatrists will NOT give you when prescribing them, & at the end of the day we have to make our own decisions BASED on the information we are given, So I just wanted to say here, please, please, tread very carefully as far as psychotropic drugs are concerned,as we have been damaged enough already.
Somethingg I’ve never asked and haven’t seen mentioned: Do/did any of you become extremely agoraphobic? Agoraphobia isn’t fear of open spaces, as many people believe; agora is Greek for market and it means fear of places where there are lots of people. I’d like to step outside into the square, perhaps sit out in the sun for a few minutes or try a tiny toddle, but I absolutely cannot face meeting anyone, being looked at or spoken to or having to speak – I just can’t face it. I just want to hide from everyone. I was like this last time, for ages – well, whenever I felt ill. I don’t know how much is a chemical effect; I think it’s more a reaction to having been abused, effectively, to the immense emotional and physical shock; also it’s because of depersonalisation and derealisation – if i hardly know who or what i am or whether what I see is real, I can’t cope with more. I wish I could live in the ocuntry, like I used to, where you can step outside and there’s no-one for miles around.
Catherine
10 years ago
Has anyone else had a symptom where it feels like your insides have “dried out”? It’s hard to describe, but almost like all your internal organs and brain etc feel shrivelled and dried up. It’s horrible. Has anyone else had this, and did it ever stop?
Hola Destruida, You’re right, they are different, I just have both! I developed vertigo upon dental anaesthesia injection a few yrs ago and it’s never gone although it varies. But the depersonalisation stands out and is unmistakeable. I get depersonalisation in a supermarket all the time, but it goes away in the car, and I know that for sure because I drive myself back and forth.
When I am really out of it, the last thing I want to do is drive anywhere, and I don’t suggest it for anyone of course. But when it happens when I am out, I always tell myself I’ll feel better when I drive away and it’s always true. It helps me to remember this fact — that the depersonalisation is not a sign of stroke or madness but something very mechanical and perceptual.
I also know that true meditation helps but I am not yet disciplined enough to do it often enough. I used to find help to meditate with lavender essence, but all the ones I buy now have no smell at all.
OTOH, sitting too long makes my tendons hurt and I have been sitting around for five years now! I think I would be cured living in a lavender smelling spa with heated pools, a sauna and round the clock massage. They used to do that, you know, but now it’s all pharma.
I just wanted to say THANKS for being so wonderful and supportive of one another. The time and energy that you all put into this community – in answering each other’s questions, identifying with one another and supporting each other through this difficult and horrible illness – is amazing! Thank you to each and every one of you that adds to the comments on this site. You are appreciated!
I also wanted to say – hang in there. I know that it’s a trite thing to say, but please do try to be hopeful. Try to focus on the gains instead of the losses. I know that a lot has been lost. I understand. But when you see the gains and improvements, and you focus on them, it’s healing. I swear it is.
You WILL get through this. Try to believe it. I know that it’s difficult to believe sometimes and I know that recovery isn’t guaranteed. But I also know that believing in your healing abilities, and believing in yourself, is powerful.
I believe in you. For what that’s worth, I hope it helps.
Hugs,
Lisa
Brandon
10 years ago
Tendonosis — I am having a flare of tendonosis in both of my achilles right now after doing quite well just a month or two ago (I was able to walk three miles without discomfort). Now I am hobbling around my work place. Just wondering if anyone has found anything helpful — icing? massaging? supplementing?
Daniela
10 years ago
Right, Lisa. You can make it yourself by dissolving as much epsom salt as you can in hot water and letting it cool. It just feels slippery, but it dries kind of powdery on the skin.
I also put arnica flowers in olive oil and leave it in the sun. If you can get fresh st. john’s wort, leave that in olive oil in the sun until it turns red, then keep it out of the sun. If you use st john’s wort oil, you only need a little bit and supposedly it makes you more sun sensitive (as with most oil).St Johns Wort oil is also good on your chest for bronchitis.
Like I wrote earlier, I really recommend a little turmeric powder in olive oil, rubbed on the achilles tendons, works fast! Just put socks over it and wash your hands 😉
Diego
10 years ago
Can anyone recommend a face moisturizer they use that is natural?
Daniela
10 years ago
Natural face moisturizer: wash with sour milk, use olive oil or sesame oil to moisturize.
Oh, and Cipro is on the list of drugs the klebsiella is sensitive to, but there is NO WAY I’m taking that again!!!!
Hi guys
Rich 28 from London here newely floxed after 12 cipro 500 x2 a day 2 months ago… I thought I was feeling weird! …..got given these for poss prostatitis that I prob never had .. just short term pelvic pain from stress…. ..I didn’t know only 5% of men ever have the bacterial version ..everyone else it comes down to tight pelvic muscles from stress but the urologist would never say this …most prob don’t know! …that’s a whole different story
anyways ive had all the symptoms…..still have a few so am joining the club for hopefully not too long but wish to provide my healed story in the future and be a support for others………
at present I have slight tight calves and Achilles that comes and goes…..one knee seems to be burning on and off…..waking up during the night like ive had a nightmare…..random pin pricks of pain over body and muscle twitches….everywhere!……
Ive had my moments of moping and now ready for the fight!
over and out
the symptoms ive had in the past.and hopefully wont have again….I seem to be working through the whole log and they seem to be worse at night in bed….can be scary when you live on your own!
– waking up to feel like I was a dried out prune….like spongebob when he reaches land
-eye pain
-shooting calf pain
-Achilles feeling like they were in an oven
– serious depersonalization….zombie mode
-jelly legs and crawling sensations on legs
-wrists locked up for a few seconds when I was asleep
– slight tenis elbow on both elbows
also thanks lisa for making this site…..your a saviour if I win the lotto I will buy you something nice …
How come several doctors knew what my symptoms were going to be? After weeks of IV and oral cipro, I had diarrhea, chills, weakness, barely out of bed, but the doctors kept saying, Tinnitus? Joints, tendons? Anxiety? I answered, NO, why are you asking me that? THEN the tinnitus kicked in. THEN the joints/tendons. THEN bizarre anxiety? THEN vertigo. Then more tendon issues. Vision problems. Here I am a few years later and can’t help wondering how they predicted what I was going to have, but still deny that it’s related to cipro. I am diagnosed with mono, chronic fatigue, ear infection, vertigo, lyme, RA — all coincidental? One dr insists the tendonitis must start WHILE on cipro, another says, It’s all part of the mystery of the human body.
Oh well. My advice for pain — rub turmeric powder where it hurts. I’ve made an arnica oil and I put powdered turmeric into it. It turns everything yellow orange. Sometimes I cover myself in the powder and take an epsom salt bath. I have an orange tub and orange sheets! But it really works the very next day or so and lasts several days.
Yay! I think the chills and tinnitus are mostly gone, definitely much more manageable after four years. I hope the turmeric will eventually wipe out the tendon issues, but it is really scary every morning to see what I will tear next that day. I think one knee and one shoulder are permanent.
Any advice about the depersonalisation — I know pain is bad, but depersonalisation is the worst!
I’m going to the church supply or ethiopian store to get frankincense, supposed to be good for arthritis, asthma, meditation — I hope it’s the ticket 🙂
I connect with this song somehow.
It was 1 day before my symptoms started that I listened to it…
http://youtu.be/pDc7pDGTJYo?t=1m46s
“Waiting by the mailbox, by the train
Passing by the hills ’til I hear the name
I’m looking for a saw to cut these chains in half
And all I want is someone to rely on
As thunder comes a rolling down
Someone to rely on
As lightning comes a staring in again
I’ll wait to be forgiven
Maybe I never will
My star has left me
To take the bitter pill
That shattered feeling
Well, the cause of, it’s a lesson learned
Just don’t know if I could roll into the sea again
Just don’t know if I could do it all again
She said, “It’s true”
Waiting in my room and I lock the door
I watch the colored animals across the floor
And I’m looking from a distance
And I’m listening to the whispers
And oh, it ain’t the same
When you’re falling out of feeling
And you’re falling in and caught again
Caught again
I’m caught again in the mystery
You’re by my side, but are you still with me?
The answer’s somewhere deep in it
I’m sorry but you’re feeling it
But I just have to tell you
That I love you so much these days
Have to tell you
That I love you so much these days, it’s true
My heart is in economy
Due to this autonomy
Rolling in and caught again
Caught again, caught again, caught again
My heart is in economy
(Caught again)
Due to this autonomy
(Caught again)
Rolling in and caught again
Caught again”
Anyone have any thoughts for those of us who appear Magnesium intolerant. When I take it my CNS symptoms get worse, get dizziness and often flare ups of peripheral nueropathy. Strangely I don’t have any digestive side effects. If magnesium is the key to gettting better, but we can’t tolerate it, then what? A
As for the mental issues, I took small doses of clonazepam when the anxiety and lack of focus was at its worst, and monitored what I took carefully to keep from getting addicted. The clonazepam pretty much saved my life, as I was having sucidal panics that melted away when I took those meds. From what I read Benzos can cause people huge problems, but for me under close supervision they got me through the worst of the panic attacks.
Lisa,
Have you had contact with other Floxies that had relapsed after many years of good health? I can’t find anyone that has and recovered.
Has anyone ever had a positive test for protein in urine following floxing. Interested in finding out more about kidney issues…
Hi all,
One thing to please keep in mind regarding magnesium , is that it is always wise before beginning supplementation with it to get your kidney function assessed. FQs can cause kidney issues, both acute & chronic. Kidney damage/ dysfunction ( chronic kidney disease specifically ) very often does not show any outward signs until a lot of the function has been lost, sometimes not until around 60 % of the function is lost & magnesium can be hard on the kidneys, I have FQ induced CKD myself now. I would also urge that if ever anyone decides to have a scan with contrast ( which imo, is not needed as often as they like us to think it is) that it is imperative to get your kidney function tested BEFORE agreeing to this, for the very same reasons. Epsom salts baths are also not suitable for all , prior to my kidney issues I was never able to tolerate them, they left me as weak as a kitten for days on end, & before I realised this was the cause, I had times when I was unable to even get myself out of the bath .
As someone who has been in this parallel universe for a very long time & having also experienced all types of ADRs, neuropsychiatric, cognitive & physical , they all suck big time, however I found the neuropsychiatric symptoms the hardest to deal with , the 12 years of hell I went through & the Iatrogenic triggering of complications of this even more so, with my physical symptoms, yes I may at times be in a lot of pain but at least there are fleeting moments i can transcend this, with my neuropsychiatric reactions this was just not possible at all, & the specific cognitive dysfunction issues I have now triggered by my last severe floxing, I also find hard to deal with.
I would just like to say a few things here about the psychotropic drugs. I believe that everyone should be given full informed consent on these drugs. The psychotropic drugs, although they indeed have their place & can literally save someones life if one is suicidal, ( due to the fact they flatten emotional effect, thus leaving you unable to act on these feelings, ) when used short term in those circumstance they are very useful ( & please keep in mind I am not in any way trying to dictate here whether someone should or should not take them, ) as I said above people must be given FULL informed consent on these drugs, & believe me you will NOT get that on ANY psychotropic drug from ANY psychiatrist, being as they are, joined at the hip with Big Pharma, they do very nicely indeed financially, both paid handsomely for every one they prescribe, & the inventing & voting in of new psychiatric ‘ diagnoses ‘ into the latest Diagnostic & statistical manual ( DSM ), also from the misinformation they trot out, re the so called chemical imbalance biomedical model, they state is responsible for mental illness, which actually does not exist.
These drugs IMO, compound our issues still further, due to them triggering chemical imbalances in the brain, which are just not there before you take them, then if you continue to take them long term, either voluntarily, or if you are unable to get off of them due to withdrawal effects ( which btw, is your brains attempt at trying to rebalance these chemicals ) you are then on the train to psychopharmas long term agenda-land, where they are causing long term, all the conditions where we end up with no choice but ending up having to take even more of Big Pharmas poisons if we actually want to stay alive , for conditions such as CKD/ heart disease/ diabetes etc, which the various psychotropic drugs WILL trigger in many people if taken for long enough. they also, if taken long term have the potential to cause the various dementias. I have the benefit ? of being able to look back over many years ,of being able to see things from many angles. Myself having spent 14 years researching all aspects of psychiatry / drugs because of my experiences I knew there was something very wrong with psychiatry.& those drugs. Believe me I have seen this happen very often, In my 23 years trapped in that world , I saw too many people lose their lives due to this very scenario, lost friends, many of them in their late 30s & 40s, THIS is the information which psychiatrists will NOT give you when prescribing them, & at the end of the day we have to make our own decisions BASED on the information we are given, So I just wanted to say here, please, please, tread very carefully as far as psychotropic drugs are concerned,as we have been damaged enough already.
Somethingg I’ve never asked and haven’t seen mentioned: Do/did any of you become extremely agoraphobic? Agoraphobia isn’t fear of open spaces, as many people believe; agora is Greek for market and it means fear of places where there are lots of people. I’d like to step outside into the square, perhaps sit out in the sun for a few minutes or try a tiny toddle, but I absolutely cannot face meeting anyone, being looked at or spoken to or having to speak – I just can’t face it. I just want to hide from everyone. I was like this last time, for ages – well, whenever I felt ill. I don’t know how much is a chemical effect; I think it’s more a reaction to having been abused, effectively, to the immense emotional and physical shock; also it’s because of depersonalisation and derealisation – if i hardly know who or what i am or whether what I see is real, I can’t cope with more. I wish I could live in the ocuntry, like I used to, where you can step outside and there’s no-one for miles around.
Has anyone else had a symptom where it feels like your insides have “dried out”? It’s hard to describe, but almost like all your internal organs and brain etc feel shrivelled and dried up. It’s horrible. Has anyone else had this, and did it ever stop?
Driving helps depersonalisation and vertigo. I found out because I rushed to hospital the first time thinking I was having a stroke, but I was immediately better in the car. So turned back. But when I got out of the car, it started again, and so on. Anyhow, driving makes it better, but then it’s twice as bad afterwards, like a boomerang effect. It’s called mal de débarquement syndrome.
Hola Destruida, You’re right, they are different, I just have both! I developed vertigo upon dental anaesthesia injection a few yrs ago and it’s never gone although it varies. But the depersonalisation stands out and is unmistakeable. I get depersonalisation in a supermarket all the time, but it goes away in the car, and I know that for sure because I drive myself back and forth.
When I am really out of it, the last thing I want to do is drive anywhere, and I don’t suggest it for anyone of course. But when it happens when I am out, I always tell myself I’ll feel better when I drive away and it’s always true. It helps me to remember this fact — that the depersonalisation is not a sign of stroke or madness but something very mechanical and perceptual.
I also know that true meditation helps but I am not yet disciplined enough to do it often enough. I used to find help to meditate with lavender essence, but all the ones I buy now have no smell at all.
OTOH, sitting too long makes my tendons hurt and I have been sitting around for five years now! I think I would be cured living in a lavender smelling spa with heated pools, a sauna and round the clock massage. They used to do that, you know, but now it’s all pharma.
Hey Everyone,
I just wanted to say THANKS for being so wonderful and supportive of one another. The time and energy that you all put into this community – in answering each other’s questions, identifying with one another and supporting each other through this difficult and horrible illness – is amazing! Thank you to each and every one of you that adds to the comments on this site. You are appreciated!
I also wanted to say – hang in there. I know that it’s a trite thing to say, but please do try to be hopeful. Try to focus on the gains instead of the losses. I know that a lot has been lost. I understand. But when you see the gains and improvements, and you focus on them, it’s healing. I swear it is.
You WILL get through this. Try to believe it. I know that it’s difficult to believe sometimes and I know that recovery isn’t guaranteed. But I also know that believing in your healing abilities, and believing in yourself, is powerful.
I believe in you. For what that’s worth, I hope it helps.
Hugs,
Lisa
Tendonosis — I am having a flare of tendonosis in both of my achilles right now after doing quite well just a month or two ago (I was able to walk three miles without discomfort). Now I am hobbling around my work place. Just wondering if anyone has found anything helpful — icing? massaging? supplementing?
Right, Lisa. You can make it yourself by dissolving as much epsom salt as you can in hot water and letting it cool. It just feels slippery, but it dries kind of powdery on the skin.
I also put arnica flowers in olive oil and leave it in the sun. If you can get fresh st. john’s wort, leave that in olive oil in the sun until it turns red, then keep it out of the sun. If you use st john’s wort oil, you only need a little bit and supposedly it makes you more sun sensitive (as with most oil).St Johns Wort oil is also good on your chest for bronchitis.
Like I wrote earlier, I really recommend a little turmeric powder in olive oil, rubbed on the achilles tendons, works fast! Just put socks over it and wash your hands 😉
Can anyone recommend a face moisturizer they use that is natural?
Natural face moisturizer: wash with sour milk, use olive oil or sesame oil to moisturize.