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Lucero Rojas
9 years ago
Hi Jason
How are you doing? Hope in God everything is good. How long did it take for you to feel better? Heal? Do you still have any symptoms remaining? Flare ups? I barely have around 3 months in. What did you do to heal faster?
Thank you
Lucero
Jason
9 years ago
Hi Lucero. That is great news then! 🙂
I actually just posted more or less a short version of my long story about 20 posts up or so, on October 10 at 1:30 pm.
my sweet lord
9 years ago
Jason thank you for your response and critique of my posts.
Now let´s look at some things. What i wrote is advice based on my own experience, given everyone is different i also wrote to go slow and low dose to watch for a reaction. The medical establishment is operated to work under censored parameters (murder by injection, Eustace Mullins), anything that goes against their cut and burn agenda is played down and/or censored. It is a crime in California for a doctor to recommend any type of cancer treatment that is not chemotherapy or radiation. How insane is that?
Mike will continue to do many diagnostic tests but as long as doctors do not admit to the original damage done by quins, those tests will be meaningless! The system is geared to go against floxies, that is why floxies are suffering and that is why answers are not forthcoming from the medical establishment.
The only real answers come from doctors who acknowledge the damage done by quins and floxies like ourselves who are going through this nightmare and who have tried different therapies, supplements, treatments, etc. watch the videos.
Some work most don´t
In the flox report it is mentioned clearly that quins destroy the capillary system, that right there should tell you something, because that is where the damage begins. In order to verify that damage doctors should do an endoscopy but that test is never done because it is too expensive, so their usual answer to damage by quins is denial.
You can not rely on a medical system that denies the existence of this crime!
I know you mean well jason, but it seems you are putting too much hope on the criminal system that perpetrated this crime and is continuing to do so everyday.
when it comes to floxing there are no established rules, and as i mention on all my posts, go slow and be gentle with yourself, time is you ally. learn form others, trust not the wolves that deny this crime.
May god bless you jason, keep an open mind and learn to discern.
SM
9 years ago
I see some recent posts about neuropathy and nerve damage on here and wanted to offer insight to those of you trying to figure this out. I’ve dealt with nerve related pain for 27 months now. That shouldn’t scare you. Many recover in 12-18 months but some take longer. When we say neuropathy, that often means nerve damage. I think that many of us do not necessarily have nerve damage but instead an impairment that affects the proper transmission of nerve signals. Why do I say that? Well, I know of floxies who’ve had SF skin punch biopsies and tested positive for nerve damage, but I know many more who’ve gone through extensive testing and found no damage. I’m not suggesting that any particular person has no nerve damage, nor am I suggesting that having no measurable damage is a positive thing, although I guess I kind of think it is. But I do want people to know that just because you are experiencing nerve related pains- tingling, burning, shooting pains, aches, whatever- it doesn’t necessarily mean your nerves are actually damaged. And it certainly doesn’t mean there’s permanent damage. It may be a simple matter of foods or magnesium or B12 or amino acids that are affecting your neurotransmitter operation.
my sweet lord
9 years ago
The flox report, a detailed analysis of fluoroquinolone damage
Hi! Reading your posts on how much weight and muscle mass you all lost I am also in the same boat 🙁 before I got floxed my weight was 136 now I am 113. I look sick and I hate it!!!!! I lost all my muscle from my arms, back, my butt and my legs. My legs look bony and just with skin on top. Will this get better and also the weight? will we get some of the weight back? What about our appetite? Linda how long did it take you to get your energy back. I am getting some back but its like in comes in waves. Three hours ok then I feel tired then for he next 2 ok again then tired again. Everything its just a rollercoaster of emotions, feelings, and so much more.
The fluoride video is quite long, but it is very informative and goes to the root of the matter. the following link gives a good summary on how to detox fluoride. I remember when i got floxed i use to eat some tamarind after every meal to help with digestion also.
Those of us who have been around for a very long time, invariably have had many years to research FQ toxicity, & will of course therefore often have very different views & opinions from those who have been around for perhaps months / just a few years,as will those who have just recently been floxed. The same goes for those of us who have not done so much research, from those who perhaps are ‘ part of the furniture ‘ so to speak, those who have had a very long time to look into the bigger story going on behind the scenes, & therefore often have researched deep into the longer term agenda & the FQs part in this , ( they are VERY useful drugs to Big Pharma, what I call ‘ gateway drugs ‘ ) , & this is actually a major reason why Big Pharma will fight tooth and nail to keep the severe damage caused by them hidden as long as possible, & will fight to the death to try to keep them from ever being withdrawn.
In order to comprehend the exact nature of our injuries, one must first have a complete understanding of the WHOLE picture, & this includes ALSO being aware of the FULL history of the Fluoroquinolone ‘ antibiotics.’
One very important fact, one which is often not mentioned here in respect of fluoroquinolone ‘antibiotics’, is that the QuinoLINE ring, the nucleus of the FQs is NOT ONLY the nucleus of the FQs . It is ALSO the nucleus of several antimalarials : Quinine, mefloquine, the 4- aminoquinolines & the 8-aminoquinolines, this horrific story actually goes back way before fluorine was even added to the pharmacore of the FQs, WAY back beyond the original non fluorinated Quinolone’s, which ALSO caused horrendous damage to many people. Our various injuries have actually long been documented, you can find them in various patterns, in various drugs, ALL with a link to that quinoLINE nucleus, as far back in time as synthetic Quinine.
The FULL history of the FQs is long, too much to post here, so for anyone here who is interested into researching, please click on links & resources ‘ above, then scroll down until you come to ‘ other research ‘ there you will find a dropbox file, this is the archive of research from the Fluoroquinolone Toxicity Research Foundation, there under ‘ History of the fluoroquinolones’ you will find that information.
As some here who is ‘ part of the furniture ‘ , I personally feel it is extremely important, in fact I feel it imperative, that everyone here becomes aware of the FULL history of the FQs, & the fact that it is the QuinoLINE nucleus suspected to be to the MAIN suspect in the frame here, as many many people have also been horrifically damaged by various other drugs with a link to that Quinoline nucleus, the Quinoline antimalarials being just one example of this . In my opinion, it is advisable for anyone who has been floxed to avoid that nucleus as much as humanely possible, & in order to be able to have the knowledge to do so, the FULL history of the fluoroquinolone ‘ antibiotics ‘, that Quinolone ring, the nucleus of the fluoroquinolone antibiotics, must ALSO be known & understood.
Hi! I had my reaction to Cipro about 7 months ago. My question is about cycling. After my initial reaction, I started to feel better around month two. Each month I would have a new and bad pain that would last for about a week then disappear; Achilles, back, ribs, neck. About two weeks ago, it seemed that all my original symptoms came flooding back. I experienced brain fog, vision disturbances, shaking, anxiety, extreme coldness, tiredness, and digestive problems. Some symptoms were worse than the initial reaction had produced. I felt about 95 percent fully healed, then this just came out of no where. So, I’m wondering if this could be a cycle that I’m on or maybe something else going on? Any insights would be appreciated! Thanks!
Jason
9 years ago
Hi Aimee. I made a post about Relapsing last page you might be interested in. Note there are no DIRECT studies to support what I am sharing here (there is no profit in it), this is all based on many many years of research and my own experiences:
It is VERY common for Floxies to relapse after rigorous exercise, even many years later as this releases stored up toxins in the body back into the blood stream. The only way to avoid this is to try and purge them all as much as possible during initial Floxing, there is no guarantee it will work and not everyone is in a good enough condition to even try this but this is what I did and I’m hoping for no future relapses. (In fact, I purposely gave myself relapses during my Floxing, anytime my symptoms were fairly minimal, gone or under control I would do things to flare them all back up again on purpose, I only want to go through this once…. After awhile, the relapses themselves were very very minimal, which said to me that ‘most’ of the Cipro toxins, are gone, hopefully…Now I can’t bring on any symptoms any more even when I try, I only have one remaining symptom that comes and goes, which is Tinnitus [I real bugger to get rid of apparently, some never do, it can last for many years])
Things everyone should know that can cause relapse:
– Rigorous Exercise: Like running, Soccer, etc basically hard impact stuff where body is making a hard impact on ground (shakes things loose). This is one of the most common things to cause a relapse.
– Sauna: This also will start the body detoxing things deeply stored, even Metals
– Supplements: Certain ones that mobilize toxins, even Minerals can do this as they displace things like Metals (Zinc in particular can do this)
– Aggressive Massage: This one surprised me but of yeah, a strong pair of hands can release toxins I experienced it myself
– Fluoride/Fluorine: Really this is a re-poisoning/relapse. I believe all Floxies are now more sensitive to this toxin unfortunately post-Flox and need to be extra careful to avoid it. Fluoride is one of the most reactive substances on Earth, there is no telling what that Fluorine in the Cipro did when it went into your body (it reacts, binds with many things like Magnesium for one, Calcium, and more) but one thing seems certain, if you ingest just a little bit, it will go into the body and get stored in the same places where the old Fluorine and Cipro is, if there is some left, and it will likely react with and mobilize them all over again causing a relapse. I experienced this several times and others have too. I also experienced my symptoms dissipate a great deal when I was in another Country and away from my Fluoride shower I have everyday at home, others have also experienced this. This is a big one folks.
– Coffee: See Fluoride, I experienced this myself about 5 different times (stubborn…though one time was an accident) and this is with DE-CAF! (sry Linda and other Coffee lovers, Coffee is unfortunately high in Fluoride)
– Steroids: Not sure but this is probably a re-poisoning of sorts that likely reacts with the Cipro toxins in body, re-activating them like Fluoride (mobilizing them)
– NSAIDS: Another re-poisoning that likely reacts with the Cipro toxins in body
– DRUGS: Most if not all are pure toxins, many will react with the other chemicals stored in the body, especially if they have Fluorine in them, which a lot of them do.
Likely there are more too, but these are some of the main culprits (or desired mechanisms in a few cases if you are trying to purge the toxins on purpose)
Something else I should mention here too, is some people do have worse relapses than their initial Floxing. This seems illogical at first thought, but I do have a theory on why this happens and have shared it before, remember its just a theory though.
Fluorine is one of the most reactive substances on Earth, and unfortunately is toxic and put into this drug. It is known to react with many things, including Minerals and Metals, combining to make new substances.
My theory is simple and based on logic (and research), everyone has some heavy metals in them, these are typically stored in Fat cells, also in bones, organs and other places too. When all the Cipro drug with the Fluorine is not purged from the body the first time, some of it too will be stored inside the body, very likely in the same places as many of the other toxins. What do you think happens? Seems very obvious doesn’t it, the Fluorine reacts with other toxins in the body combining to make new even more toxic substances. Now, when someone partakes in rigorous exercise years later, this new more toxic substance becomes mobilized and causes many of the same issues as first time, only some can be worse and then sometimes there are issues there now that were not there during the initial floxing simply because there is even more crap now floating around now then in the body the first time. Many people have reported worse relapses with brand new symptoms that were not there the first time, this in my opinion, is why.
Once again this is all my unprofessional opinion based on many many years of research
Lucero Rojas
9 years ago
Hi everyone. Sending warm hugs your way. I have been reading but need insight in this if I am homozygous C677T when detoxing or trying to detox or killing candida, bad flora will it make it worse for me since toxins and sulfate will be release and since I don’t methylate right I will feel worse or my gene mutation only refers to the breaking down of the VB’S and Folate
Hi Jason
How are you doing? Hope in God everything is good. How long did it take for you to feel better? Heal? Do you still have any symptoms remaining? Flare ups? I barely have around 3 months in. What did you do to heal faster?
Thank you
Lucero
Hi Lucero. That is great news then! 🙂
I actually just posted more or less a short version of my long story about 20 posts up or so, on October 10 at 1:30 pm.
Jason thank you for your response and critique of my posts.
Now let´s look at some things. What i wrote is advice based on my own experience, given everyone is different i also wrote to go slow and low dose to watch for a reaction. The medical establishment is operated to work under censored parameters (murder by injection, Eustace Mullins), anything that goes against their cut and burn agenda is played down and/or censored. It is a crime in California for a doctor to recommend any type of cancer treatment that is not chemotherapy or radiation. How insane is that?
Mike will continue to do many diagnostic tests but as long as doctors do not admit to the original damage done by quins, those tests will be meaningless! The system is geared to go against floxies, that is why floxies are suffering and that is why answers are not forthcoming from the medical establishment.
The only real answers come from doctors who acknowledge the damage done by quins and floxies like ourselves who are going through this nightmare and who have tried different therapies, supplements, treatments, etc. watch the videos.
Some work most don´t
In the flox report it is mentioned clearly that quins destroy the capillary system, that right there should tell you something, because that is where the damage begins. In order to verify that damage doctors should do an endoscopy but that test is never done because it is too expensive, so their usual answer to damage by quins is denial.
You can not rely on a medical system that denies the existence of this crime!
I know you mean well jason, but it seems you are putting too much hope on the criminal system that perpetrated this crime and is continuing to do so everyday.
when it comes to floxing there are no established rules, and as i mention on all my posts, go slow and be gentle with yourself, time is you ally. learn form others, trust not the wolves that deny this crime.
May god bless you jason, keep an open mind and learn to discern.
I see some recent posts about neuropathy and nerve damage on here and wanted to offer insight to those of you trying to figure this out. I’ve dealt with nerve related pain for 27 months now. That shouldn’t scare you. Many recover in 12-18 months but some take longer. When we say neuropathy, that often means nerve damage. I think that many of us do not necessarily have nerve damage but instead an impairment that affects the proper transmission of nerve signals. Why do I say that? Well, I know of floxies who’ve had SF skin punch biopsies and tested positive for nerve damage, but I know many more who’ve gone through extensive testing and found no damage. I’m not suggesting that any particular person has no nerve damage, nor am I suggesting that having no measurable damage is a positive thing, although I guess I kind of think it is. But I do want people to know that just because you are experiencing nerve related pains- tingling, burning, shooting pains, aches, whatever- it doesn’t necessarily mean your nerves are actually damaged. And it certainly doesn’t mean there’s permanent damage. It may be a simple matter of foods or magnesium or B12 or amino acids that are affecting your neurotransmitter operation.
The flox report, a detailed analysis of fluoroquinolone damage
http://www.myquinstory.info/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/FLOX_REPORT_REV_11.pdf
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=esojeHsfegU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y98eHM0Z9-g
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0JFLP5k57Y4
Linda and Sian
Hi! Reading your posts on how much weight and muscle mass you all lost I am also in the same boat 🙁 before I got floxed my weight was 136 now I am 113. I look sick and I hate it!!!!! I lost all my muscle from my arms, back, my butt and my legs. My legs look bony and just with skin on top. Will this get better and also the weight? will we get some of the weight back? What about our appetite? Linda how long did it take you to get your energy back. I am getting some back but its like in comes in waves. Three hours ok then I feel tired then for he next 2 ok again then tired again. Everything its just a rollercoaster of emotions, feelings, and so much more.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rJkUy-Kbq3A
The fluoride video is quite long, but it is very informative and goes to the root of the matter. the following link gives a good summary on how to detox fluoride. I remember when i got floxed i use to eat some tamarind after every meal to help with digestion also.
http://www.naturalnews.com/026605_fluoride_fluorides_detox.html
Those of us who have been around for a very long time, invariably have had many years to research FQ toxicity, & will of course therefore often have very different views & opinions from those who have been around for perhaps months / just a few years,as will those who have just recently been floxed. The same goes for those of us who have not done so much research, from those who perhaps are ‘ part of the furniture ‘ so to speak, those who have had a very long time to look into the bigger story going on behind the scenes, & therefore often have researched deep into the longer term agenda & the FQs part in this , ( they are VERY useful drugs to Big Pharma, what I call ‘ gateway drugs ‘ ) , & this is actually a major reason why Big Pharma will fight tooth and nail to keep the severe damage caused by them hidden as long as possible, & will fight to the death to try to keep them from ever being withdrawn.
In order to comprehend the exact nature of our injuries, one must first have a complete understanding of the WHOLE picture, & this includes ALSO being aware of the FULL history of the Fluoroquinolone ‘ antibiotics.’
One very important fact, one which is often not mentioned here in respect of fluoroquinolone ‘antibiotics’, is that the QuinoLINE ring, the nucleus of the FQs is NOT ONLY the nucleus of the FQs . It is ALSO the nucleus of several antimalarials : Quinine, mefloquine, the 4- aminoquinolines & the 8-aminoquinolines, this horrific story actually goes back way before fluorine was even added to the pharmacore of the FQs, WAY back beyond the original non fluorinated Quinolone’s, which ALSO caused horrendous damage to many people. Our various injuries have actually long been documented, you can find them in various patterns, in various drugs, ALL with a link to that quinoLINE nucleus, as far back in time as synthetic Quinine.
The FULL history of the FQs is long, too much to post here, so for anyone here who is interested into researching, please click on links & resources ‘ above, then scroll down until you come to ‘ other research ‘ there you will find a dropbox file, this is the archive of research from the Fluoroquinolone Toxicity Research Foundation, there under ‘ History of the fluoroquinolones’ you will find that information.
As some here who is ‘ part of the furniture ‘ , I personally feel it is extremely important, in fact I feel it imperative, that everyone here becomes aware of the FULL history of the FQs, & the fact that it is the QuinoLINE nucleus suspected to be to the MAIN suspect in the frame here, as many many people have also been horrifically damaged by various other drugs with a link to that Quinoline nucleus, the Quinoline antimalarials being just one example of this . In my opinion, it is advisable for anyone who has been floxed to avoid that nucleus as much as humanely possible, & in order to be able to have the knowledge to do so, the FULL history of the fluoroquinolone ‘ antibiotics ‘, that Quinolone ring, the nucleus of the fluoroquinolone antibiotics, must ALSO be known & understood.
Here for example is Quinine .
http://www.drugs.com/pro/quinine-sulfate-capsules.html
If we take the history of the FQs right back to the beginning we end up here .
http://www.rain-tree.com/quinine.htm#.Vhov3tYdLHg
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3053476/
Where all this can potentially be taken in the future
I truly can’t bear to think about it at times .
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1319016412000278
Hi! I had my reaction to Cipro about 7 months ago. My question is about cycling. After my initial reaction, I started to feel better around month two. Each month I would have a new and bad pain that would last for about a week then disappear; Achilles, back, ribs, neck. About two weeks ago, it seemed that all my original symptoms came flooding back. I experienced brain fog, vision disturbances, shaking, anxiety, extreme coldness, tiredness, and digestive problems. Some symptoms were worse than the initial reaction had produced. I felt about 95 percent fully healed, then this just came out of no where. So, I’m wondering if this could be a cycle that I’m on or maybe something else going on? Any insights would be appreciated! Thanks!
Hi Aimee. I made a post about Relapsing last page you might be interested in. Note there are no DIRECT studies to support what I am sharing here (there is no profit in it), this is all based on many many years of research and my own experiences:
It is VERY common for Floxies to relapse after rigorous exercise, even many years later as this releases stored up toxins in the body back into the blood stream. The only way to avoid this is to try and purge them all as much as possible during initial Floxing, there is no guarantee it will work and not everyone is in a good enough condition to even try this but this is what I did and I’m hoping for no future relapses. (In fact, I purposely gave myself relapses during my Floxing, anytime my symptoms were fairly minimal, gone or under control I would do things to flare them all back up again on purpose, I only want to go through this once…. After awhile, the relapses themselves were very very minimal, which said to me that ‘most’ of the Cipro toxins, are gone, hopefully…Now I can’t bring on any symptoms any more even when I try, I only have one remaining symptom that comes and goes, which is Tinnitus [I real bugger to get rid of apparently, some never do, it can last for many years])
Things everyone should know that can cause relapse:
– Rigorous Exercise: Like running, Soccer, etc basically hard impact stuff where body is making a hard impact on ground (shakes things loose). This is one of the most common things to cause a relapse.
– Sauna: This also will start the body detoxing things deeply stored, even Metals
– Supplements: Certain ones that mobilize toxins, even Minerals can do this as they displace things like Metals (Zinc in particular can do this)
– Aggressive Massage: This one surprised me but of yeah, a strong pair of hands can release toxins I experienced it myself
– Fluoride/Fluorine: Really this is a re-poisoning/relapse. I believe all Floxies are now more sensitive to this toxin unfortunately post-Flox and need to be extra careful to avoid it. Fluoride is one of the most reactive substances on Earth, there is no telling what that Fluorine in the Cipro did when it went into your body (it reacts, binds with many things like Magnesium for one, Calcium, and more) but one thing seems certain, if you ingest just a little bit, it will go into the body and get stored in the same places where the old Fluorine and Cipro is, if there is some left, and it will likely react with and mobilize them all over again causing a relapse. I experienced this several times and others have too. I also experienced my symptoms dissipate a great deal when I was in another Country and away from my Fluoride shower I have everyday at home, others have also experienced this. This is a big one folks.
– Coffee: See Fluoride, I experienced this myself about 5 different times (stubborn…though one time was an accident) and this is with DE-CAF! (sry Linda and other Coffee lovers, Coffee is unfortunately high in Fluoride)
– Steroids: Not sure but this is probably a re-poisoning of sorts that likely reacts with the Cipro toxins in body, re-activating them like Fluoride (mobilizing them)
– NSAIDS: Another re-poisoning that likely reacts with the Cipro toxins in body
– DRUGS: Most if not all are pure toxins, many will react with the other chemicals stored in the body, especially if they have Fluorine in them, which a lot of them do.
Likely there are more too, but these are some of the main culprits (or desired mechanisms in a few cases if you are trying to purge the toxins on purpose)
Something else I should mention here too, is some people do have worse relapses than their initial Floxing. This seems illogical at first thought, but I do have a theory on why this happens and have shared it before, remember its just a theory though.
Fluorine is one of the most reactive substances on Earth, and unfortunately is toxic and put into this drug. It is known to react with many things, including Minerals and Metals, combining to make new substances.
My theory is simple and based on logic (and research), everyone has some heavy metals in them, these are typically stored in Fat cells, also in bones, organs and other places too. When all the Cipro drug with the Fluorine is not purged from the body the first time, some of it too will be stored inside the body, very likely in the same places as many of the other toxins. What do you think happens? Seems very obvious doesn’t it, the Fluorine reacts with other toxins in the body combining to make new even more toxic substances. Now, when someone partakes in rigorous exercise years later, this new more toxic substance becomes mobilized and causes many of the same issues as first time, only some can be worse and then sometimes there are issues there now that were not there during the initial floxing simply because there is even more crap now floating around now then in the body the first time. Many people have reported worse relapses with brand new symptoms that were not there the first time, this in my opinion, is why.
Once again this is all my unprofessional opinion based on many many years of research
Hi everyone. Sending warm hugs your way. I have been reading but need insight in this if I am homozygous C677T when detoxing or trying to detox or killing candida, bad flora will it make it worse for me since toxins and sulfate will be release and since I don’t methylate right I will feel worse or my gene mutation only refers to the breaking down of the VB’S and Folate
Any help will be appreciate it.
Lucero
Has anyone experienced bad constipation?