*The following is an individual’s story of surviving fluoroquinolone toxicity. It is not medical advice. Please see the disclaimer at the bottom of the story. Thank you, and please be cautious with all treatments.
Lisa’s Story
In the middle of November, 2011, I took Cipro to treat a urinary tract infection. I took 2 pills (500 mg each, I believe) a day for three days. I didn’t feel like the infection was gone, so I went back to the doctor and requested more antibiotics. He gave me macrobid and the infection subsided within a couple of days. Life went on as normal for the next couple of weeks, until December 2, 2011, at which time I got my period and started taking ibuprofen to help me to deal with the cramps.
Before I continue with my story, I would like to note that I had taken Cipro to treat a urinary tract infection approximately a year earlier. I had no notable side effects at that time. Though, looking back on things, I did develop an eyelid twitch at that time and some strange stomach cramping that came and went started then. I didn’t think anything of the eyelid twitching or the stomach cramps. I certainly didn’t think that they were tied to the Cipro. I took ibuprofen regularly after taking Cipro with no adverse effects.
On December 2, 2011 my legs started to itch. On December 4th I broke out in hives all over my body. I went to the doctor and was told to take Benadryl. I took more Benadryl than the box recommends and my hives got progressively worse. On December 5th my feet and hands swelled to the point that I couldn’t use them anymore. It was painful to walk, or even to just stand. I went back to the doctor and was put on prednisone. The prednisone suppressed the swelling and calmed the hives a bit. On December 7th my left leg went weak. For the next few weeks the following symptoms got worse and worse:
- Weakness in my legs. I could barely walk. The steps that I could take took a tremendous amount of effort and energy. I couldn’t stand for more than a minute. I had to drag a chair into the kitchen in order to cook rice because I couldn’t stand to stir the pot.
- Tightness of the tendons in my legs. I had inflammation, and possibly tears, in most of the tendons in my legs and feet. My hips, knees and ankles, to simplify things, didn’t work right.
- Loss of use of muscles / loss of strength. My muscles, especially the muscles in my legs, wouldn’t move like they used to. All of my movements were slow and deliberate.
- Brain fog. I couldn’t think straight. I felt stupid. I couldn’t concentrate. It was a struggle to do my job.
- Loss of memory. My short-term memory decreased significantly.
- Loss of peripheral vision. Large, black floaters entered my peripheral vision.
- Loss of appetite and weight.
- Loss of flexibility. I went from being able to do yoga several times a week to being unable to sit with my legs curled up under me.
- Loss of balance.
- Severe loss of energy. I felt like the plug had been pulled from my energy source. I wasn’t necessarily sleepy, I was just drained. The feeling was similar to the feeling that I have when I have a cold – weak and like I just want to collapse. Just slight exertion would drain me of my energy. Walking would make me tired for a whole day afterward.
- Dry mouth.
- Anxiety. I had an ongoing anxiety attack for the first couple of months after being floxed.
- Pain in my feet. I felt like I was walking on hot coals with every step I took.
- Loss of reading comprehension. I would read a page and have no idea what I had just read.
- Loss of social skills / connectedness. I felt anxious and scared in social situations. I lost confidence in both my physical and mental abilities. I felt very alone despite having a wonderfully supportive family.
I felt as if I had aged 20 years in just a week or two. I couldn’t move, think or eat. My body and mind were falling apart and I had no idea why. I didn’t think that the sudden decline in my health had anything to do with the Cipro. After all, I had stopped taking it a couple of weeks before my body started to fall apart. I thought that I had an autoimmune disease. My symptoms seemed similar to those of rheumatoid arthritis. I went back to the doctor and they ran every test imaginable on me. I was relieved to find out that I didn’t have an autoimmune disease, but it was somewhat frustrating to hear that all of the tests were showing that I was normal and healthy when, clearly, I was neither normal nor healthy. The doctors did not provide me with a diagnosis or a prognosis. Though I was desperately seeking a diagnosis and prognosis, I am thankful, in retrospect, that they didn’t misdiagnose me. If I had been mistakenly diagnosed as having an autoimmune disease, I may have treated it with pharmaceuticals that could have made me feel even worse.
I was desperate for some treatment, something to stop the downward spiral that my body, mind and spirit were in. The traditional medical doctors I saw provided no relief, treatment or healing. I started seeing an acupuncturist. He was able to stabilize my condition, calm my nerves and keep me from spiraling physically or mentally. After a few weeks feeling stable physically, I started to have days where I felt better than I had the day before. Mentally, I kept going downhill for a while, but, eventually my mental health stabilized and started to improve as well.
Eventually, with the help of my acupuncturist, I connected my symptoms to Cipro. Once the connection was made, I realized that all of my symptoms were consistent with those of others who have been poisoned by Cipro and other fluoroquinolone antibiotics. I entered the scary world of being a floxie.
For about a year, I considered myself to be sick. Though the symptoms listed above were improving, slowly but steadily, I was still sick, and a long ways from the healthy, active, energetic woman that I was before I took Cipro. After a year, I started to put “sick” in the past tense. Though I wasn’t back to the level of health that I was prior to being floxed, I was getting better and, as far as most people could tell, I was well.
Following is a list of things that I did to help me to get well, to heal. I am not a doctor. This is a description of my experience and what helped me. I hope that what helped me helps you. Everyone is different though. What helped me may not help you. One thing that I know helped me and that I know will help you is hope. I hope that the fact that I have largely recovered helps you to have hope. I hope that the other steps that I took to get well also help you to gain hope and healing.
Please feel free to contact me with any questions, comments or concerns, or to share your story.
Lisa’s Healing Tips
One of the many frustrating things about fluoroquinolne toxicity is that everyone’s body is different. Everyone’s symptoms are different and everyone’s body reacts differently to treatments. Following is a list of things that helped me. I hope that what helped me will help you, but it may not. I am including other people’s healing tips as well, in case their tips can help. Of course, please read these tips with the typical disclaimer in mind – I am not a doctor or medical professional of any kind. I am sharing my experience with the hope that others may find it to be useful. Please ask your doctor, or other trusted medical professional, for medical advice, and before taking any of my advice.
In no particular order, here are the things that helped me to heal.
- Time. With time, I have healed. Each day is better than the day before. Time will heal your wounds too. Eventually, you will get better. The poisonous reaction affecting every part of your body will eventually stop and you will begin to recover. I have heard several stories of fellow floxies having a timeline similar to mine – slow, steady recovery for about 2 years. Other people take more, or less, time to recover. Time does help though, and most people do end up getting better as time goes on. Very few people get worse and worse indefinitely. There may be bumps in the road, but time is your friend. Time will help you to return to a state of health.
Try to be patient with yourself. It will take time for your body and mind to heal. I see this whole ordeal of getting sick as a lesson in patience (and compassion, gratitude and health). Pushing yourself too hard too soon can lead to pain, frustration and injury. Try to give yourself the time necessary to heal, and, with time, your body and mind will, indeed, heal.
- Avoid NSAIDs and steroids like the plague. Both NSAIDs and steroids are contraindicated with fluoroquinolone toxicity. They will make your reactions and symptoms worse. There are some published medical articles on PubMed about the contraindication between NSAIDs/steroids and fluoroquinolones. Searching at the library or on Google will give you more detailed information than I can provide. Anecdotally, I know that my reaction was triggered by taking NSAIDs (ibuprofen that I took to help me to deal with menstrual cramps) and it was exacerbated by taking prednisone (a steroid). Please note that I did NOT take NSAIDs or steroids at the same time as Cipro. I took ibuprofen 2 weeks after I finished taking Cipro and it triggered my toxic reaction and I took prednisone 3 weeks after I had finished taking Cipro, after my reaction had started. I will never take another NSAID or steroid again.
Unfortunately, NSAIDs and steroids are the drugs that are the most commonly prescribed drugs used to “treat” fluoroquinolone toxicity. This is because the combination of NSAIDs/steroids and fluoroquinolones does not always cause a toxic reaction, the toxic reaction of combining fluoroquinolones and NSAIDs/steroids can occur even when the drugs are taken weeks or months apart, doctors and other medical professionals don’t acknowledge fluoroquinolone toxicity and so they don’t look for the contraindications and because many of the symptoms of fluoroquinolone toxicity are treated with NSAIDs and steroids. The pain killing qualities of NSAIDs and the swelling reduction qualities of steroids make them the drugs of choice for treating many of the symptoms of fluoroquinolone toxicity. Don’t take them though! In my nonmedical opinion, I suggest taking non-NSAID over-the-counter pain medicine like acetaminophen (Tylenol) for pain (or marijuana – which is probably better for your liver), and antihistamines for the swelling.
Often, fluoroquinolne toxicity is misdiagnosed as an autoimmune disease. In particular, it is often misdiagnosed as rheumatoid arthritis. Many of the drugs that are used to treat rheumatoid arthritis are NSAIDs. Don’t take them.
- Acupuncture. I credit my acupuncturist with saving my life. I can only guess how I would have fared without my acupuncturist, but I imagine that I would have ended up in the emergency room, pumped full of steroids and antidepressants, having a massive anxiety attack and unable to walk. That didn’t happen though and there really isn’t any point in surmising about what could have been. I do know that acupuncture stopped my downward spiral and got me on the road to recovery. Both the acupuncture needles and the herbs that he provided gave me immense relief. I don’t know why or how acupuncture works, but I do know that it worked wonders for me.
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Supplements. I have taken more supplements than I can remember. 90% of them had no noticeable effect on my health. Here is a list of supplements that I think helped me.
Iron. I take a low dose iron supplement – only 5 mg. – daily. The brand of iron supplement that I use is Pur Absorb, but I’m guessing that other low-dose iron supplements will work equally well. Within just a couple days of starting taking the iron supplement, my energy levels increased dramatically. I could walk a mile without being exhausted afterward. In addition to improving my energy level, the iron supplement seems to make my muscles and tendons more supple and malleable. When my tendons are feeling tight, a dose of iron helps to loosen them up – within just a couple hours. Too much iron is really bad for you, so please be careful with supplementing it (ask your doctor, yada yada), but it helps me immensely.
Magnesium. I take 250 mg of chelated magnesium daily. I don’t necessarily notice that it makes me feel better, but I do notice that I feel worse when I don’t take it. My muscles twitch if I don’t take my mag.
Zinc. I take zinc when I get around to it. I remember feeling mildly better when I started taking it. It doesn’t seem to affect my health dramatically though.
Chlorophyll. I take chlorophyll about every other day. It seems to help with my energy level and mental functioning.
I also take fish oils, resveratrol, a probiotic, a joint supplement, CoEnzyme Q10, vitamin B12, chlorella, glucosamine, brewer’s yeast and some other supplements. They may help. I can’t say that I feel a difference using any of them.
- Meditate. Meditating has so many amazing, positive benefits for your brain, your life, your spirit, etc. that I can go on about it ad nauseam. Meditation helped relieve a lot of the mental symptoms of my fluoroquinolone toxicity. My anxiety, inability to concentrate, inability to connect with others, depression, loss of reading comprehension, decreased mental acuity, etc. were greatly reduced (or improved) through meditating. I meditate about 10 minutes each day. I should meditate more like 20-30 minutes a day.
Meditating helped me to gain compassion for myself and my situation. It also helped me to let go of the anger that I felt toward the pharmaceutical companies and the medical culture that allows fluoroquinolones to be on the market. The pharmaceutical companies and the medical culture are both messed up and blame of them is justified, but anger and blame were not serving me mentally, emotionally, spiritually or physically. I needed to let go of my anger and blame in order to move on with my life. Meditating helped with that.
I learned to meditate through taking a class called Mindfulness Based Stress Reduction that was offered by my health insurer. It was an excellent class based on the work of Jon Kabat-Zinn. Many Buddhism centers offer Mindfulness Based Stress Reduction or Meditation 101 classes.
- Get off the internet. Most of the information available on the internet about fluoroquinolone toxicity is horrifying. Fluoroquinolone toxicity is horrifying. It is scary. It is completely unacknowledged by the medical community – the doctors, nurses, etc. who we go to in order to make sense of things when our body goes hay-wire – so we seek answers on the internet. Unfortunately, most internet sites devoted to fluoroquinolone toxicity do not provide a balanced picture. They show the harm and the horror of fluoroquinolone poisoning, but they don’t show the healing and hope that most people eventually experience. I am writing and distributing this in order to provide the perspective of hope and healing. Some people are permanently disabled from fluoroquinolones. My heart goes out to those people and they have every right to scream their story on the internet. However, their story is not your story. My story is not your story either. But if you’re going to look to the internet for a prognosis, it’s better to find a hopeful prognosis than one that is full of doom and gloom.
When I participated in the online forums for Floxies, I noticed that my anxiety levels increased significantly. Even after I was 90% recovered and I thought I could handle it, my anxiety levels would go up simply by reading about people being floxed. Inducing anxiety is one of the worst things that someone suffering from fluoroquinolone toxicity should do. Anxiety makes all symptoms worse. I would slowly relapse and my symptoms would get worse every time I participated in the online forums.
Of course, the people participating in the online forums are seeking to help fellow Floxies, to commiserate and to participate in a support group. It is not their fault that my anxiety levels increased when viewing their sites and/or support groups. After all, most people on those sites are trying to be helpful and supportive. However, the net result of participating in the forums for Floxies is that my anxiety levels increased and my health declined while I was on those sites. I am healthier and happier not participating in the online “support groups” than I was while I did participate in those groups. Of course, this is my experience only. Many people find solace in the Floxie community and if it helps you, great!
The people who have worked hard to create a community of Floxies to support one another should be commended. It is because of their hard work that thousands of people have realized what is going on with their bodies and that they are not alone. The community of Floxies is full of wonderful people. However, you need to do what you need to do to take care of your health and if you find that hearing other people’s stories increases your anxiety levels, get off the internet. For you.
- Diet. I lost 11 pounds in 18 days when I first got floxed. My body was going hay-wire and it seemed like an allergic reaction. I had no idea what I could possibly be allergic to so I stopped eating almost everything. I didn’t eat sugar (including fruit), gluten, dairy, soy, anything non-kosher or anything spicy, or drink any alcohol or caffeine, for a month. I only ate vegetables and organic meat. It’s a highly effective way to lose weight, but I don’t think that restricting my diet severely helped me to heal. Restricting my diet gave me a sense of control, and that’s not a bad thing when your body is self-destructing, but I don’t think that it made me feel any better physically. After a month of only eating veggies and organic meat, I started to add normal foods into my diet. As soon as I started eating an appropriate number of calories, I started to feel better. Not only was I Floxed, I was also wasting away when I wasn’t eating normally. Getting enough food is an important part of healing. Of course, it’s generally good to be on the “don’t eat junk” diet, but I didn’t find that cutting my food intake significantly helped me to feel better.
Many Floxies develop GI problems. I was lucky in that I didn’t have many GI problems. Many people seem to be helped by cutting gluten, sugar and/or junk food out of their diet.
I notice that I feel slightly worse than normal when I consume sugar and/or caffeine. I think that most people do, I am just now accustomed to paying closer attention to my body.
The only food that makes me feel noticeably better is beets. For some reason, beets make me feel great. I just boil them and eat them.
I’ve heard good things about the benefits for Floxies of eating broccoli and other cruciferous vegetables. I love broccoli so I try to eat a lot of it. Unfortunately, I can’t say that I’ve noticed that it makes me feel better.
- Swim. My tendons and muscles feel significantly better when I’m in the water, and for several hours after I finish swimming. Swimming in the ocean feels especially therapeutic. There are so many minerals and trace nutrients in the ocean, I surmise that they’re helpful for healing. Unfortunately, I don’t live near the sea, so I swim in a pool. I feel better when I do so.
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Pilates. I started doing Pilates about 7 months post-floxing. Pilates strengthens the core, something that is generally important, and gently stretches muscles, tendons and ligaments, something that is particularly important for Floxies. I started slowly and gently and didn’t push my tendons, muscles or ligaments too much. I feel that gently stretching helped my tendons, muscles and ligaments to heal and return to (close to) their pre-floxing capacity. Take it easy though.
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Healing arts. I love to dance. I’m not a good dancer, but I love to do it. About 16 months post-floxing I started to dance again. Dance has been healing for me. I feel spiritual, strong and joyful when I dance. I’m not sure if it’s the dancing itself that I find to be healing, of if it’s the joy that I feel when I dance that is healing. Either way, it helps. I surmise that other forms of expression would have similar healing qualities. If you love to sing, sing. If you love to paint, paint. If you love to write, write.
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Attitude tips.
Try not to compare yourself to how you used to be. I used to hike 20 miles in a day. I can’t do that anymore, but I can hike 3 miles today and I couldn’t do that when I first got floxed. Compare yourself to how you were yesterday, not to how you were before you got floxed.
Do something – anything – to work toward healing, every day. Walk a little further than you did yesterday. Meditate. Take an Epsom Salt bath. Get an acupuncture treatment. Do a puzzle. Whatever makes you feel good – do it. Every little step helps.
Don’t kill yourself. Have hope. You will get better.
You’re not crazy. You’re sick. Have hope. You will get better.
You’re not stupid. You’re sick. Have hope. You will get better.
Try not to identify yourself as sick. The mind is a powerful thing so try to stay positive. It’s hard, I know. But try, because it’s worth it.
You will have bad days. They will pass. This all will pass. It is not permanent. You are strong – present tense. You were knocked down, but you weren’t killed. You will get better.
Don’t quit your job. Try to maintain as much normalcy in your life as you can.
It is not your fault. Even if you knew better, even if you demanded the most powerful drug possible from your doctor, even if you self-medicated, even if you coerced your doctor into giving you the fluoroquinolone antibiotic, even if the infection that you were treating was something that you got because of doing something stupid, or from sex, even if you continued to take it after you started to get sick, even if you floxed your child/parent or other loved one – IT IS NOT YOUR FAULT. You are sick. You are poisoned. You are not to blame for your sickness or for the fact that you are poisoned. Who to blame is a discussion that I don’t want to get into because I want this to be positive, but it is not you. You are not to blame. You are a victim. It is not your fault.
Lisa’s Life now
Life is good. I don’t consider myself to be sick any more. I’m not quite up to my pre-floxing capacity in a couple of areas. I don’t have the endurance, energy, strength or flexibility that I used to. However, I’m pretty close to my pre-floxing capacity in those, and other, areas. I’m about 99% better. Not being capable of intense exercise since December, 2011 has left me a bit out of shape, but I’m working toward being able to exercise intensely again and my stamina, strength, energy, etc. are increasing. I can’t hike 15 miles with a backpack on quite yet (something I could do before I was floxed), but I am capable of most physical and mental activities that would put me in the “normal” or “not sick” categories.
I can work full-time. I am grateful for the fact that I have a job that is not too demanding physically or mentally because I was able to hold onto it through my worst times. My boss and coworkers were wonderfully understanding and they claim not to have noticed that I couldn’t think straight for about a year. I even got a promotion about a year post-floxing!
I can do Pilates 4 times a week, swim 2 times a week, dance once a week and walk daily.
When I was unable to walk a block I told myself that I would consider myself to be “better” when I could dance all night in heels (my feet hurt like hell when I was sick), I can do that now. I never liked high heels, but I can wear them now.
My memory isn’t quite what it used to be, but it’s good enough to do well at my job and to maintain my relationships.
In many ways, I’m a different person than I was before I got floxed. This has been perplexing for me and my loved ones, but it’s not an altogether negative thing. I’m a much more spiritual person than I was before I got sick. I was a pretty firm Atheist before I was floxed. Now, through meditation, dancing, believing in alternative therapies that focus on energy, etc., I’m finding some spiritual outlets that I didn’t have, need or want in the past.
I have become a more compassionate and patient person. I now empathize with people who have mystery diseases. I used to have the attitude that I now find so frustrating in medical professionals – that if there isn’t a way to diagnose or treat an ailment, it doesn’t exist. Now I know that people are genuinely suffering and that there is a real cause for their pain – regardless of whether or not it is acknowledged by the medical community. My heart goes out to those in pain.
I had to become more compassionate and patient with myself as well.
I like some things that I didn’t like before I was floxed and I don’t like some things that I used to like a lot. I hated swimming for the first 32 years of my life. Now I love it and consider it to be an important aspect of my healing. I used to like working out in an intense way that got me dripping with sweat. Now I like to do exercises like Pilates that are focused, slow and deliberate. I used to love hiking, camping and backpacking. I miss loving those things so I’m going to try to get back into them, but I’m not sure that they’re my passions any more. Drinking used to be one of my favorite pastimes. My tolerance for alcohol is shot now and I don’t really enjoy it any more. I missed it for a while even though I knew that it was for the best that I wasn’t drinking like a fish. My appetite has changed as well. I used to be able to eat a lot of food and I loved to eat. I still eat, of course, but I don’t eat as much as I used to and I don’t eat with as much gusto. This is probably a good thing seeing as I’m not into exercising intensely any longer.
Even though I would do just about anything to turn back time and not take Cipro, the place that I am in life isn’t bad, and I probably would be someplace different if I hadn’t gotten sick. It sucks that I had to gain empathy for people who suffer from pain, mystery ailments and debilitating fatigue, but it’s probably a good thing that I now have more empathy. I would like to think that I’m a better person from going through this. I’m not a stronger person, but maybe I am a better person.
I hope that my tips and words of advice are welcome and helpful. Please feel free to contact me if you have any questions or concerns.
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THANK YOU! I had altered my eating, but I will need to make a few important changes after reading the info provided. I’m pleased for you that your situation resolved well. It may take a longer period for me as I’m at least twice your young age. Since the apparent Disglycemia only began about two weeks ago, I’m encouraged that I’m not too late to begin.
Also, I’m pleased that you mentioned magnesium to help with this. I checked my new/different bottle of Magnesium and found that I wasn’t taking the full dosage.
Also, for those that have been Floxed and feel they have Celiac Disease,as I do, I read a different site that said it can possibly be from Disglycemia. It didn’t mention if it is curable.
Yes, the private investigators have menaced me for two years now so that I wouldn’t sue. As we were given “ideas” of what would happen if we sued, we decided to not pursue legal action. They were so intent because there was so much that the medical group did that was blatantly wrong. Also, most doctors/dentists that I saw weren’t very welcoming, and could be unprofessional. All for one, and…. You probably know that the AMA and Dental Assoc. keep records on all patients. When a patient comes in, they can check their records and see if there is a problem re the patient, etc. It follows us wherever we go. Although I was innocent, it didn’t make any difference.
Thank you, again. Chris
I am so thankful for you and this website. I am only a couple days into recovery after floxing from taking Cipro and I have been absolutely terrified. You’re totally right about the internet triggering panic attacks, I have tried not to focus too much on the horrors of this stuff but it seems to be controlling all my thoughts. I am an extremely anxious person to begin with, so I am not faring too well with all of this. Your story gives me much hope.
This is a difficult question to ask, but have you seen a pattern of those floxed, who are mentally getting worse after 2 years, that they will most likely go into dementia or Alzheimer’s Disease. Thank you. Chris
Thank you so much for your response! It does help. I did find that older people, such as myself, can have a worse case of negative symptoms, including delirium. I would guess that it takes longer for those over 60 to improve. Chris
Excellent post Lisa. Thanks so much for taking the time to write your story. I think I now understand why I had a major flare-up about a month ago – muscle pain, neuropathy, aggravated achilles tendonitis – that’s when i was taking a high dose of ibuprofen for a sinus infection, for five days prescribed by my doctor. I had never thought about it, since I generally take ibuprofen for menstrual cramps, but usually only 2 or 3 in total. I plan to look further into the research on the contraindication of NSAID’S and steroids for fluoroquinolone toxicity, so I have something to show my doctor – she didn’t seem completely informed on the issue.
The flare-up, which still has not gone away, is what prompted me to start researching again, and i’m amazed at how much information is out there now, compared to when i first started looking over two years ago. Interesting that acupuncture helped you so much, I may just give it a try, if I can find someone good here. And meditation, I completely agree with – will try to do it more.
I also agree with you that spending too much time on internet forums can just raise your anger level – though it is also very useful for acquiring new information, as it has been for me over the past few weeks. Thanks again for telling your story and for providing so many resources. Carolyn
Hi Lisa,
I wrote to you several months back and I’m still feeling adverse effects but I think I’m getting better. I still have joint pain but the biggest things that aren’t subsiding are my severe dry eye and taste and smell. It’s been 13 months now since taking the levaquin. I know that most people get better but never 100% recover. Have you ever heard of anyone that had long lasting effects of dry eye and partial taste that finally came back? Research is leaving me to believe that these things are going to be permanent. I hope it isn’t true. 🙁
Thanks for your insight and your site.
Angela
Thank you for sharing your story and providing hope! You are right– much of the info on the Internet about FQ toxicity is downright terrifying.
I was mildly floxed nearly two months ago, yet this doesn’t feel mild to me. It’s easily one of the worst experiences of my life. I keep wondering when I will no longer be magnesium deficient. It seems that when magnesium is chelated out of your cells it is taken from places your body never would take it from, even in extreme starvation. I don’t think it all gets put back very quickly and even then it doesn’t hold onto it in a normal way– hence stories of relapses. I’ve had a couple relapses. At what point did you stop having relapses? When did you feel like your body was actually retaining magnesium in a normal way? I walked just a mile and a half twice in one week and relapsed on the weekend. I might have done too much. But exercise seems to initially tighten me up and then it loosens up. I think calcium flows into muscle cells when magnesium is chelated out and your body has to break up all those calcium crystals over time. Ultrasound helps my tendons and muscles. I have a home machine.
In addition to PQQ and MitoQ (a targeted CoQ10) I’m taking Idebenone (CoQ1) which is just an amazing antioxidant. It works even in hypoxia– low or no oxygen. Other antioxidants become oxidants in that situation. It also raises serotonin by improving the body’s ability to make it from tryptophan. It helps with my anxiety tremendously and I have not felt depressed, even though there are plenty of reasons to be! I also am taking NAC, which is just amazing. They give it to people who overdosed on Tylenol and, if given soon enough, it prevents their liver from oxidizing. I wish I’d found out about it sooner.
I find listening to Beethoven helps. I like that better than the meditation– I just lie there and focus only on the music. I’m grateful to still be able to walk, even though I’m stiff and to have had periods of time where I’m not experiencing anxiety and I am able to sleep. But I still want my life back. I’m wondering, since my cad is mild, just what’s quickest anybody recovers from this. But on the other hand I thank God for all I do have.
Hi Ruth,
Thank you for sharing your story. amazing, i like to read yours.
yes listening to music help, try “Best Smooth Jazz” in youtube. you will like it.
interestingly, you pointed out that NAC flush out tylenol
the many use of NAC :
http://www.webmd.com/vitamins-supplements/ingredientmono-1018-N-ACETYL%20CYSTEINE.aspx?activeIngredientId=1018&activeIngredientName=N-ACETYL%20CYSTEINE
Ruth, may i know where do you purchase your home ultrasound machine? and would you mind to mention the brand and if there is any website link to it?
usually we do ultrasound in doctor office but wasn’t given proper time to make this treatment work. rather sloppy job. make me feel upset they roll a few minutes and call it a treatment!
the home machine certainly make treatment much easier.
appreciate your help, thanks Ruth
Love
Jarene
I got my US machine online from OTC Wholesale, I believe. Brand isn’t as important as making sure it has both 1 MHz and 3 MHz settings. The 3 MHz penetrates less deeply, and is used over bony areas. Bone will pick it up more and that hurts. There are contraindications to US, so you should do your research, but since you had it you should be fine. They did not ask for my PTA license, so you may be able to purchase it no questions asked. Keep the sound head moving, but not too fast. Get one with two sizes of sound heads if you can. Don’t try to treat too large an area at once. Keep the sound head in contact with your body (and moving) at all times– holding it up can damage the crystal if there’s nothing to absorb the US, but newer units turn themselves off. Be careful not to drop the sound head or bump it so that you break the crystal in there. Keep it low. You don’t need heat to get the benefits of ultrasound. I’ve been doing 0.1 to 0.5 watts/cm2. The machine will allow you to read it as watts/cm2 or just watts. Set it to watts/cm2 and keep it no higher than 0.5 because your condition is acute and you want to decrease inflammation, especially over tendons. I get rebound stiffness if I heat tissues with ultrasound. You may want to try going as high as 1.2 or 1.4 watts/cm2 over muscles, provided you aren’t having pain. But I’d start slowly with frequent no heat treatments.
Ruth
What antibiotic would you take if you get another UTI?
What type of cranberry juice would you recommend to prevent UTI?
Hi all!! I have been on doxy for two months now.. The problem with using my case as an example is that I believe to have been floxed from cipro however I had taken cipro and two months later got what I believe “floxed” but also diagnosed with lyme I am not 100% sure which one i have or if I have both… In my mind I have both because taking Advil for a few days for hip pain led to being bedridden which we all know NSAID can bring out flox symptoms not so much with lyme… BUT under the assumption I am a Floxie, doxy has not effected me in any negative way. My LLMD who actually recognizes and believes in fluoroquinolone toxicity also told me that he is positive doxy wouldn’t effect me even if I were a Floxie. I wish I could be more of an example for all of you but instill don’t know 100% that I’ve been floxed .. I took cipro 500 2x a day for 7 days and stopped because of Achilles pain. Two months later after 2 days of Advil full on “flox” bedridden for 3 weeks fog pain fatigue depression all can also be symptoms of lyme. You would have to be the judge on weather I’m a Floxie or not… I wish you all well I’m still suffering regardless of what I have 5 months post cipro I pray that we all heal!
@Amy
So sorry, and my heart goes for you.
Try to talk to different doctors, and get your urine and blood tests done — to make sure that you really have an infection.
If yes, then discuss with your doctors about non-FQ antibiotics.
What made my GP doctor give me a crazy long-term Cipro was a suspected UTI, when all my lab tests were negative. It turned out to be “alpha fibre sensitivity caused urethra spasm”. My urologist told me some people can suffer a lot from this alpha-fibre, it recurs a lot from time to time, but it is not infection. I met quite some people on FQ facebook group, they are all victims of a “suspected infection”.
Calm down, do not be afraid. It can be under control.
Bo
Thank you Bo! What should I be looking for in the test to confirm a real UTI… because mine was suspected UTi also that started this whole antibiotic mess. I feel like they don’t even know if it is a UTI most of the time anyways.
@Amy,
You are very welcome.
I put my own test result in here, for your reference. ( Doctor’s information is deleted )
https://picasaweb.google.com/ghb.xiangpian/MedicalLabTestsSharedToPublic
Bring your test result sheet, show it to SEVERAL DIFFERENT doctors, see if they have different opinions. Ask to be referred to specialist, urologist.
@Amy
A urologist may not know much about the risk of FluoroQuinolone, but the urologists will be correct on whether you have infection or not. First step is to check the infection.
If you have to wait for a long while to get to see a urologist after referral, then try to talk to different walk-in doctors first and collect different opinions.
@Amy
Do not tell your doctors “I have infection”. Tell doctors about your symptoms.
I was messed up by a walk-in doctor because I told him I had UTI and he gave me lots of Cipro. Doctors do not know about FQ toxicity, so they simply want to give you a try on the FQ if you say you have infection. They believe nothing to loose from taking FQ.
My urologist stopped my Cipro therapy and told me “in future when you see a doctor, do not tell them you have some disease, tell them your symptoms”.
Hi Lisa,
It’s been 6 weeks now since I’ve taken my last cipro pill. And I have felt a few side effects of the medicine since stopping, however nothing too drastic.
Right now 6 weeks later I have some wrist pain that comes and goes, some muscle twitching, and some ankle pain. am I lucky that this is all I got? Or is there a chance that this is all just getting started? Most people experience side effects many months after taking there last pill. So I’m guessing i fall under the same boat. I’m pretty much living in fear everyday in thinking that eventually I will get worse. Weather that’s 11 months from now or 2 months from now.
Is there a chance that I won’t get worse and maybe after all I will be fine? Jeez I’m terrified.
I hope you don’t mind if I reply to your question, and I know Lisa will have ideas for you also. I am eight weeks out myself and I consider myself lucky to have had symptoms immediately, so that I started taking magnesium right after taking my last pill and antioxidants a day later. FQ’s do damage first by causing a magnesium deficiency, then by oxidative distress caused by the magnesium deficiency. Take magnesium (up to 1,000 mg a day, but back off for awhile if it ever makes you feel worse) and vitamin C (I take 2,000 mg a day, but you can go higher.) Magnesium oil or lotion can be applied topically right to where it hurts. I’ve done A LOT of research and I think your best hope is magnesium and antioxidants for at least the next three to six months. I also take MitoQ, PQQ and Idebenone. Although you don’t have many symptoms yet attack it aggressively as if you do: healthy diet, no sugar, no caffeine, push the magnesium and antioxidants. You have a good chance of being ok if you do those things. I have been steadily improving, although the first month was hell.
my dr gave me cflox for a lung infection in October I had 3 courses of the 500 mg and as soon as I went off it I had so many problems.whilst I was in hospital all my arms wasted away between my wrist and elbow but noone could tell me why this was happening.since then I have seen so may drs in Sydney Australia to no avail. I sleep about 14 hrs a day and have no strength and cant lift 250 gms or more in weight.my big problem is I look great and so no one believes there is anything wrong with me