Lukasz’s Story – Clarithromycin and Ciprofloxacin Poisoning, and Healing


*The following is an individual’s story of surviving fluoroquinolone toxicity. It is not medical advice. Please see the disclaimer at the bottom of the story. Thank you, and please be cautious with all treatments. 

My story revolves around two different sets of antibiotics taken approximately six months apart – November 2014 and April 2015.

The first antibiotic was Clarithromycin which I took for ten days to treat a stomach bacteria called Helicobacter Pylori (H. Pylori). This antibiotic was prescribed in the form of capsules and tablets.

The second antibiotic was Ciprofloxacin which I took for seven days to treat an ear infection. This antibiotic was prescribed in the form of liquid drops.

Before I share my story, it should be said that prior to these events, I was a completely healthy and active person who enjoyed backpacking, climbing mountains and hiking. I had no prior conditions and was in overall good health.

All that changed when my health, post-antibiotics, suddenly and rapidly began to deteriorate. Since then, I have been on a journey to not only reclaim my health, but also my life which vanished with a couple of bad decisions.

I am not going to sugar coat this. What transpired in the months following the above antibiotics was equivalent to being stuck in a nightmare of unparalleled proportions. It was surreal, to say the least.

Although I have been shaken to my core, I am still standing. My recovery has been slow and gradual but compared to the place I found myself in at the start of this whole ordeal, the difference is night and day.

If you’re reading this and dealing with your own nightmare scenario, know that you will emerge from this. No state is permanent. It may take months or even years but know that, in time, you will recover.

Keep the faith. Don’t give in. This is not the end of your story. Only a dark chapter which will eventually cease to exist.

That being said, here’s my account of events.

How It All Began

At the end of October 2014, upon having a blood test done at a local walk-in clinic, I received news that Helicobacter Pylori (H. Pylori) was present in my stomach and was told by the attending physician that antibiotics would be needed to eradicate the bacteria. Admittedly, back then I had little knowledge of the delicate intricacies of the human anatomy and in particular, the devastating effects of antibiotics on the stomach, gastrointestinal tract, liver and other vital organs. As such, I made the nearly fatal mistake of putting my trust in the doctor, believing that they have the knowledge and understanding to set me on the right path, in this case, to eradicate the bacteria without due harm. After all, if the antibiotics that were handed to me were not safe, the doctor would surely say something, give me a heads up of some sort. Unfortunately, that warning never came. When I decided to speak up and inquire about the safety of the pills myself, I was briskly and casually told that they were safe. Nor was there any mention of possible side-effects. I was simply sent on my way. As for the final hand-off, there was no warning at the pharmacy counter either. Little did I know that I was about to get myself into a life-threatening situation.

ER Visit On Day 2

Upon starting the antibiotics in November, I started to feel the powerful effects of the pills. I got through the first day but on the second day I could no longer tolerate the pills and felt absolutely brutal. The state of my health was bad enough that I had to be driven to the local hospital and attend ER in the late hours of the day. After spending countless hours in the ER, I was seen by a doctor who dished out three Tylenols for the road and sent me happily on my way. On the advice of the original doctor, I decided to continue with the antibiotic until Day 10. Upon the conclusion of the antibiotic course, I started to feel better with each day. I was certain that the worst was behind me. The worst, however, was yet to come.

The First Symptoms

It was now February 2015 and exactly three months after I ingested the first pills, the first wave of symptoms hit me. It began with an abrupt wakeup. I woke up at 5:30 am for absolutely no reason at all. The wakeup came in the form of a very sudden jolt and I could not fall asleep afterwards no matter what. I didn’t think much of it until the following night when I could not fall asleep all night. All I was able to do was close my eyes and rest but at no time would I be able to fall asleep. This sudden, inexplicable insomnia came out of nowhere. Prior to this, I had never had any sleeping issues whatsoever. Nor did I experience any abrupt wakeups. Now I was dealing with insomnia issues and the odd time that I did fall asleep for several hours, I would always wakeup abruptly at 5:30 am each and every time. This was beyond normal, yet it was only the start of my symptoms. In the coming weeks, I started to lose all my energy. I became so weak that I could barely get myself out of bed. It was as if my body was running out of fuel, even though I was providing the fuel in the form of food and water on a regular basis. I also started to lose weight very rapidly. Before the end of the month, I started to experience neurological impairments which I first noticed at work. Suddenly, I had trouble coping with my everyday tasks. Tasks that were natural to me before were all of a sudden becoming foreign to me. My concentration levels dipped, I could not focus and the world around me seemed to be closing in on me. People would be talking to me and I could barely make out what they were saying. I started to make a lot of errors at work. Things got so bad that I would exit the elevator on the wrong floor. I also started to lose track of time and could not tell how much time had passed by. It was becoming evident to me that something was very wrong, yet out of fear, I refused to acknowledge that the antibiotics had anything to do with these sudden changes in my daily function. I simply ignored the symptoms to the best of my ability and carried on. When I tried to shake off these symptoms at the gym, I was surprised to find that I could not lift anything remotely heavy. Prior to the antibiotics I could lift all sorts of heavy weights, this was virtually impossible at this point. I had no energy and my muscles felt extremely weak. Seeing as I was doing myself more harm than good, I decided to give the gym a rest for the time being.

Enter Ciprofloxacin

The old saying “When it rains, it pours” comes to mind when I reflect back on the six month period that started it all. Upon dealing with the sudden blow to my health, in a cruel twist of fate, I did something that nearly put the final nail in my coffin. In April, I went out and got poisoned a second time. Due to a so called medical professional, and I use the term loosely, I had sustained inner ear damage. This led to an infection and subsequently, a prescription for Ciprofloxacin from another doctor, one I thought would be the answer to my problems. Instead, with my continued lack of knowledge on the subject, I put multiple drops of Ciprofloxacin into my ear each day for seven days straight, in the hopes of healing my damaged ear. The antibiotic not only leaked into my ear but subsequently found its way into my body. At this point in time, I had enough toxicity in my body to create the perfect storm for neurological and physical dysfunction.

Here are just some of the symptoms that presented themselves in the days, weeks and months following the antibiotics:

-Abrupt wakeup




-Lack of energy


-Muscle pain

-Joint pain

-Tendon pain


-Eyelid twitch

-Burning sensation in the ear

-Sensitivity to light / sunlight

-Dry heaving

-Stomach / GI issues

-Urinary tract issues

-Muscle spasms

-Post-nasal drip

-Chest pain

-Heart palpitations

-Loss of appetite

-Major weight loss





-Panic Attacks

-Suicidal Thoughts

-Fear of Dying

-Brain fog







-Hearing loss

-Tinnitus (Ringing in the ears)

-Blurred vision (Double vision)

-Peripheral vision problems

-Back floaters in the field of vision

-Pressure near the frontal lobe

-Difficulty conducting activities

-Memory loss (Short / Long-term)

-Inability to form new memories

-Inability to concentrate / focus

-Inability to process information

-Inability to make a decision

-Inability to learn new tasks

-Inability to feel all emotions

The symptoms listed above occurred during different time periods. Some symptoms were short-lived while others persisted for longer periods of time. *At the height of the toxicity, most were present.*

Adverse Drug Reaction

It’s true that the human body can only take so much toxicity before it begins to shut down. In the weeks and months following the antibiotics, I entered a brand new world, a world filled with unimaginable horror and terror. I could no longer feel my frontal lobe working. It was as if it didn’t exist. For the first time in my life I was dealing with depression and anxiety. Not mild, not moderate, but major depression and anxiety. A blanket of sadness and despair overpowered any emotion I had left in me and drove me to the brink. I began to lose sense of what’s real and found myself battling depersonalization and derealisation. When I found myself outdoors, I felt as if the world was artificial, a 3D model of what I used to know. When around busy public spaces, my anxiety would skyrocket and I would seek to escape my environment as soon as possible. I began to close myself off from society and tried to conceal my degrading condition from my employer, co-workers, family and friends. Deep down inside I knew it wouldn’t be long before the truth would surface and surface it did. At the end of May, after months of agony, I suffered a mental breakdown at work. It was at this point that I knew I needed to leave my job behind and focus my efforts on making a recovery. I went on short-term medical leave and would later revise my leave to long-term status. From here on, all my energy and efforts were dedicated to healing.

Healing From Toxicity

The following is a list of items that I have undertaken towards my recovery from both sets of antibiotics. It is of upmost importance that each individual use his or her own discretion when undertaking any sort of treatment and/or supplement. I cannot be held responsible for any injury or mishap that occurs from this list. We are all incredibly unique and no DNA is the same. In other words what works for me may or may not work for you. Having said this, I hope this list will be of some benefit to you, your loved ones or anyone out there who has been injured by antibiotics.

# 1 – Obtain Support

When it comes to personal issues in my life, the last thing I wanted to do was to reach out to anybody during my ordeal. I thought to myself, “I can do this on my own”, “this is my fight, not anyone else’s”. The problem with this logic, as I found out, is that although it is your fight, winning this battle on your own is next to impossible. The reason being is that this is an invisible monster and going at it alone is setting yourself up for trouble. I had no choice but to reach out for support and I’m glad I did. I credit these people with saving my life and the same may hold true for you. Take my advice, reach out to someone, anyone. There are people out there who are willing to listen and help you through the storm. I enrolled myself in several groups such as an insomnia group and depression group. While it’s sad to hear about people’s problems, you will walk away with the sense that it’s not only you who is going through the storm. Countless others are going through the very same storm. This is very empowering.

# 2 – Positive Mindset

I know first-hand how difficult it is to stay positive during a nightmare that unfolds right in front of your eyes, however, I cannot stress the importance of at least attempting to keep as close to a positive mindset as possible. It’s essential to remove the persistent negative thoughts that flood our mind. The reason for this is because our thoughts turn to behaviours and our behaviours turn to actions. It’s a difficult and draining task but training the mind to stay on track is vital to recovery. As hard as it is at the present moment, finding things in your life to be grateful for, even if they are now in the distant past or minimized by your current state, will at least shine some light on the current situation. Afterall, what’s done is done. We cannot undo the past, however, we can write our future. In this future, you may feel like your old self or you may even be a happier you and the only way to get there is to stay in the game.

# 3 – Finding Forgiveness

It’s a major obstacle to overcome since it involves forgiving yourself, even if the effect was accidental, and forgiving those individuals who played a part in the process. Individuals who should have warned you about the possible side-effects but for whatever reason, did not. I believe that those of us who find ourselves in this situation are progressing through the five stages of grief with the end goal being not acceptance, but a feeling of having regained control of our lives. This is where we enter forgiveness. Holding on to the anger won’t solve the problem, it will only agitate it. Therefore, the only sensible act is to forgive yourself and those certain others. Times heals and it is only a matter of time before you feel better. Finding inner peace is part of the recovery process and it starts with us making peace with the situation we find ourselves in. Quite simply, it’s best to view this entire ordeal as another lesson in life.

# 4 – Fitness Club / Sauna

As I mentioned earlier, I had to give up the gym for a while since it was doing me more harm than good. In November 2015, I returned to the gym and this time, I felt different. This time around I could lift more weights and not be as exhausted as before. When I first returned, every single joint in my body started to crack like eggshells. I was concerned that this was going to be a long-term occurrence, however, the cracking of the joints dissipated after about a week or two and after that I no longer heard any cracking. So why should you hit the gym? The answer is simple. It will improve your mood and quite possibly, your overall state. Your brain needs to have its endorphins (hormones) stimulated and working out does the trick. This will reduce the pain and stress associated with the toxicity. You should only consider the gym when you’re ready though. This may take some time depending on when your toxicity took place. Also, what really helped me along was the use of a Swedish-style sauna that is located inside my fitness club. The use of a sauna helps eliminate toxins from your body. The toxins are removed through excessive sweating, as well as urine and stool excretion. You will need to drink a lot of fluids beforehand, during and after the sauna use. Water is best. Also, keep the sauna use to a minimum. 10-15 minutes is more than enough.

# 5 – Supplementation

Like most people on this website, I have gone out of my way to try and heal myself with supplements. It seemed like the easiest solution. The problem with supplementation is that you don’t know which ones work, if any. I bought my fair share of supplements, but in the end, I settled on only a few which may or may not be making me feel better. Again, it’s hard to say if these supplements work or if we are feeling better naturally with time. Perhaps both. The only supplements I continue to take are the ones I started off with which are:

Omega-3 (Heart/Brain/Mood) (NutraSea+D 1250mg liquid – 1 tsp daily)

Greens+ Original (Nourishing Superfood) (Genuine Health powder – 1.5 tsp daily)

Also, although this is not a supplement, I have been consuming Golden Flaxseed on a nightly basis to repair the stomach damage caused by the antibiotics. As I found out after the fact, antibiotics knock off both the good and bad gut flora / microflora. It does not discriminate. Seeing as the gut is considered a second brain with some in the field arguing that the state of your gut is more important than your brain itself, this means repairing your gut is critical to your overall health. In other words your gut health has great influence on how you feel. Consuming the flaxseed immediately before bedtime will kick start the repair process. It’s best to boil the flaxseed until it becomes a gel, let it cool slightly, and then drink it. It’s not the best tasting beverage in the world but it’s meant to help repair your stomach lining which may be damaged. The flaxseed is also high in fibre, iron and calcium so it has multiple benefits to it.

# 5 – Other Therapies

The only other therapy I sought out was Manual Lymphatic Drainage (MLD). MLD is conducted by a licensed therapist who specializes in this type of massage. This massage is meant to get the toxins moving away from their storage areas such as fatty tissue, organs and bloodstream. By moving toxins along, you are bound to remove/excrete them, a process similar to that of using a sauna. The price of these massages isn’t cheap ($70 CDN for 45 min session) however if you have coverage from your employer, it should help dampen the cost. It’s very relaxing and there is no pain involved whatsoever.

# 6 – Rebuilding Yourself

Let’s be honest with ourselves. This is a complete rebuild. Our house has been burned to the ground and we are being forced to start over. It’s a scary thought but it’s reality. How we emerge from this is up to us and our willingness to fight. There will be doubts, there will be setbacks, but in the end, one can only be victorious if he/she stands the test of time. Am I the same person I was before the poisoning? No. Do I hope to get there one day? Absolutely. I know it will take time and I also know I will need to exercise patience if I am to succeed. As difficult as it is, I urge you to do the same. Rediscover your old hobbies or find some new ones. I’ve started on some new projects. There is no better way to shelter from the storm than to keep yourself busy with hobbies/projects that you enjoy. I know the enjoyment is not the same as it used to be but in time, it will be. Believe me, you will be happier doing something than doing nothing at all.

One Year Update (February 2016)

It has now been one year from the start of the symptoms and I am feeling generally good. There are times when I still stumble along, however, when I think back to 2015 and the darkness that engulfed me, I can safely say that I have made huge strides in my recovery. Of all the symptoms that plagued me in 2015, the ones that remain are as follows:

Abrupt wakeup (No longer 5:30am! I usually wake up around 8:00am these days which has helped a lot)

Insomnia (There are nights that I sleep well and there are nights which I don’t but there is improvement)

Depression & anxiety (I have downgraded myself from major to moderate with mild being my next goal)

Lack of energy (I continue to have problems with energy but it has gone up substantially since last year)

Sensitivity to light / sunlight (On-going issue which I hope will resolve itself with time)

Dry heaving (On-going issue that has improved substantially; my guess is that it is connected to anxiety)

Muscle spasms (Major improvement in this department; I barely get spasms anymore)

Post-nasal drip (Still some excessive mucus forming in the lungs but it has gone down drastically of late)

Weight loss (Continues to be a problem as I have a difficult time putting on any weight)

Neurological issues (The brain fog is gone and I am able to make decisions quite well again; the biggest problem is my short and long term memory impairment – this really bothers me as my memories are extremely important to me; I am hoping that with the passing of time these memory issues will resolve)

Vision issues (Continues to be a big problem as my vision is still somewhat blurry; black floaters persist although they are mostly visible when looking at a screen or wall; peripheral vision has improved but is still obstructive; bright conditions are especially difficult to deal with but I’m hoping all this will vanish)

Concentration and focus issues (Improving steadily; I can concentrate and focus much better as of late)

Emotions (I’m still awaiting for my emotions to return; the numbness has gone down quite a few levels)

These days, I’m keeping busy with all sorts of projects and trying to put this whole nightmare behind me. A complete recovery is still a long way away but the thought of getting there has me excited and looking towards the future, with cautious optimism of course. I am incredibly thankful for the big improvements in my recovery but also know that I am not out of the woods yet.

Prior to this incident, traveling was my biggest passion in life. It was what I lived for. Unfortunately, this incident has robbed me of this passion and countless others. I will say this though. It is my goal to one day be able to set out into the world again. To one day, reclaim that ultimate feeling known as euphoria. It’s a work-in-progress but I am determined to get there at some point.

I hope the information contained here has been useful to you or your loved one. If there is anything I can do to help, please let me know.

I wish you all a speedy recovery.

Two Year Update (February 2017)

Hi, folks. Two years have now passed since the onset of a myriad of symptoms from Clarithromycin and subsequently, Ciprofloxacin. It’s been another tough year filled with successes and downfalls. Truthfully, I was hoping to be more or less recovered from this whole ordeal but it seems there is a lot of work left. Having said that, I do have to count my blessings as to where I stand currently. I’m sure things could be far worse than they are. As it stands, I have good days alternating with bad days. I’m hopeful that down the road more good days will follow but there are some things that have helped me along over the past year and I’m happy to share these with you in the hope that they may help you in some way or another.

Since my one year update, there’s been some minor changes in my life, both good and bad. For starters, in May of 2016, after missing a year of work due to my failing heath, I returned to my job and resumed full-time work. Originally, this seemed like the right move since I needed to keep myself busy and distracted from what was unfolding in front of me but as of late I’m beginning to question whether work is helping or hurting me. The problem is that I’ve been encountering some stress there lately and it has been taking a toll on me. My ability to handle stress has been greatly diminished since this whole ordeal began and along with the flu, it’s the easiest path towards experiencing my worst symptoms. This probably has something to do with a compromised immune system and/or damaged CNS. Avoiding stress and the flu isn’t an easy task. I was hit hard with the flu last winter (it was so bad that I had to be rushed to the ER) and this winter I’m undergoing a similar kind of battle but on a smaller scale (perhaps my immune system is slightly stronger this time around). As for the stress, my body and mind have endured so much of it over the past 2 years, that I’ve basically forgotten what it feels like to be free of it.

The aches and pain in my body are more or less under control at this point. Since I stopped going to the gym, there’s been little to no pain in my tendons, muscles and joints. Though I suggested exercise as a treatment in last year’s update, I’m not sure it’s a good idea for those that are newly floxed. In retrospect, I wish I had waited for some time as it’s clear to me now that a person who has been floxed has some significant damage to his/her tendons, muscles and joints and that these aspects of the body require lots of time and rest in order to heal. Perhaps undertaking lighter exercises is the best compromise. I have also been taking some oils so it’s quite possible that these oils have helped relieve the inflammation (I’ve been taking one full tablespoon of olive oil daily since the beginning of this year).

In regards to my symptoms, over the course of the past year, I have won more battles than I have lost. The psychosis, depersonalization and derealisation that these pills triggered in me back in 2015 are no more. Along with the frequent panic attacks, they were by far the worst and scariest symptoms I have experienced in my life. Not only did they inhibit my judgement and reason, but they also drove me to the brink of committing suicide. With the exception of the past couple weeks, I was able to downgrade myself from major depression to minor depression. Unfortunately, something has changed in the past couple of weeks and I’ve been attempting to right the ship ever since. It may be that I’m experiencing the Herxheimer Reaction. It’s hard to tell if that’s what’s happening or the usual relapses that seem to have no end. Presently, my most debilitating symptom is one that has been with me since pretty much the beginning – cluster headaches aka central pain syndrome. This condition can best be described as constant burning/melting of the brain. Currently it’s centred in the middle of my scalp but it does shift with time. The pain/pressure can sometimes be unbearable. Ironically, one of the very first symptoms that I complained about upon my November 2014 ER visit was an unbelievably painful pressure in the head. The ER doctor dismissed it as nothing and gave me three Tylenols for the road. There have been periods this past year whereby this issue seemed to be resolved only to come back later on. It’s almost always accompanied by concentration issues, short-term memory loss and blocked/burning ear canals.

Aside from this, insomnia and abrupt wakeups continue to be a problem for me. I haven’t had a good night’s sleep in 2 years and it doesn’t look like there is any end in sight. As a result of waking abruptly, I’m forced to sleep (I use the word loosely) in otherwise I’m extremely tired all day long. The ringing in the ears (tinnitus) only adds to the burden. This symptom ranges from mild to severe and seems to be worst when the cluster headaches occur. On the visual side of things, floaters continue to exist though I’ve somewhat become accustomed to them now. My throat issues have improved quite a bit but that too isn’t fully resolved. As for the nerves, I can sometimes feel myself shaking for no reason at all. My guess is that this has something to do with a damaged CNS and/or damaged nerve(s) within the body.

In addition to all this, I seem to be in worse shape when consuming wheat, dairy and recently, seafood. I’ve never had a problem consuming these types of foods in the past but since the ADRs I’ve developed some kind of allergy to them. Both wheat and milk seem to trigger either constipation or diarrhea. Fish, on the other hand, such as salmon, can set off multiple symptoms. Even beef can have this same effect. The only form of meat that seems to have no negative impact on my health is poultry (chicken, turkey). Needless to say this type of limited selection when it comes to food intake doesn’t make life any easier.

Speaking of digestion, I’ve found some interesting books that delve deeper into ADRs and our gut flora:

“Bitter Pills: Inside the Hazardous World of Legal Drugs” by Stephen Fried (HIGHLY RECOMMENDED)

“This Is Your Brain on Parasites: How Tiny Creatures Manipulate Our Behavior and Shape Society” by Kathleen McAuliffe (YET TO READ)

“I Contain Multitudes: The Microbes Within Us and a Grander View of Life” by Ed Yong (YET TO READ)

To end things off, the best advice I can give anyone who has been recently poisoned or at their wit’s end is to find something that makes you happy, even semi-happy, and stick with it. Anything from the arts to zip-lining and everything in-between, just do it and do it often. It’s these kinds of undertakings that have kept me alive and they might just do the same for you.

Remember, one day when you’re least expecting it, you’ll be feeling like your old familiar self and you’ll have these distractions to thank for getting you there.

List of things that have helped me along in 2016:

  1. Coconut Water [Contains Potassium, Calcium, Phosphorus, Magnesium, Manganese]

I believe drinking 500 mL of this water has helped with the inflammation in my body.

  1. Natural Spring Water [No Fluoride]

I’ve been using this water since the ADRs. I usually drink between 2L & 3L. I also drink tea.

  1. Fruits [Various]

I’ve been eating various seasonal fruits ranging from berries to melons and others.

  1. Vegetables [Various]

I’ve been eating various seasonal vegetables ranging from broccoli to spinach and others.

  1. Nuts [Various]

Mainly almonds, walnuts and hazelnuts. For enhanced/improved cognitive function.

  1. Carrots [Organic]

For the vision issues and antioxidant properties. High concentrations of Vitamin C in them.

  1. Avocados [Organic]

For cognitive function and inflammation management. Various other benefits as well.

  1. Vitamin C [Powder]

I tried Vitamin C in powder form for a while and it seemed to help a lot, albeit temporarily.

  1. Spirituality / Mythology / Philosophy

I’ve been reading books about the above topics and they’ve helped me cope better.

  1. Coconut Oil Pulling [Daily – Swish the oil around for your mouth for 10 mins then spit]

This helps remove harmful bacteria from the mouth. Thanks to Ger for the suggestion.

Last but not least, an unrelenting will to live. The ONLY way to beat depression is to OUTLAST IT.

The hard truth is that the road to recovery is a long and painful one…. but it’s there nevertheless.

I hope that you are all obtaining progress in your recovery.

I wish you days filled with peace, serenity, and tranquillity.


Three Year Update (February 2018)

Some hard facts to begin… after yet another difficult year with the quality of life meter hovering around zero, it’s fair to say that the battle to stay alive is still an ongoing narrative. There are days when I feel very decent and then there are days when the disease-ravaged body feels like it’s going to give in at any given moment. This the reality of the situation. Leaky gut and adrenal fatigue continue to this day and are behind the malabsorption that is causing all kinds of havoc in my body. More weight loss is occurring by the day and sleep is elusive on a daily basis. For every step forward achieved in 2017, there seemed to be two steps backwards. Everything I’ve thrown at this brutal disease has been obliterated to pieces. I feel like I’m battling a 3-headed monster. Yet it’s now year 2018, and I’m still here, battling for my life.

Things that have helped me in 2017:

  1. Probiotics
  2. Water
  3. Vegetables

Probiotics:  Even though I consumed probiotics, both capsule and powder form, on and off over the past 3 years, I didn’t experience significant positive results. That is, until now. After starting a new probiotic supplement on January 1st of this year, I saw little improvement. I was about to give up on it when I read on a health and wellness website that consuming probiotics in a non-traditional way i.e. by opening up the capsule and spreading the contents around the mouth may be more beneficial than consuming it in its entirety. I decided to give this method a try and it has improved my health by some margin. It’s now been 18 days since I started using this method. I’m not sure if I’ll continue with this practice or revert to the traditional method but I’m glad I tried this method out since it did a lot of good for my throat issues.

Probiotics that I take:

Full article and instructions on dispersing probiotics inside the mouth:

Water:  Over the past 3 years, I didn’t consume enough water on a daily basis. This may have slowed my recovery down. I’m now drinking more water and this has had a positive effect on both my mental and physical state. Finding a reliable source of water has always been an issue. Supermarkets carry plenty of heavily treated water but lack water that is pure. Nevertheless, I plan to continue to drink more water each day to give my body the best chance to eliminate toxins & heavy metals. Water, as they say, is life.

Vegetables:  Since I began eating raw vegetables on a daily basis, I’ve seen nothing but good results. It’s yet another late implementation as prior to this, I would consume vegetables periodically. They weren’t a regular part of my diet like they are now. Vegetables, are of course, high in antioxidant properties and have many other health benefits to them. Just as with the higher water in-take, my mental and physical health has improved as a result of the raw vegetable intake.

Raw vegetables I eat:

  1. Tomatoes
  2. Bell Peppers
  3. Cucumbers
  4. Celery
  5. Carrots

In addition to eating the above raw vegetables, I also drink a shake consisting of beets, green apples, carrots and kale. I drink the shake 3 times a week (Monday, Wednesday, Friday) for detox purposes.

Other treatments I undertook in 2017 include:

  1. Hyperbaric Oxygen Therapy (HBOT)

I did a total of 50 HBOT sessions at the Ontario Hyperbaric Oxygen Therapy Centre in Toronto. Although these sessions helped me immensely, it must be said that not everyone will be helped by HBOT. Each of us responds differently to various therapies, therefore, this is something each individual has to consider before undertaking HBOT. For me, personally, it assisted with my metal state (mood) and physical state (pain). The team of employees at this clinic were simply first class as far as professionalism, compassion and kindness is concerned. Unlike today’s allopathic doctors, they are genuinely concerned about each person that walks through their door. While the therapies themselves did not undo all the damage that these antibiotics have caused (understandably), they did improve my overall state and I am grateful for finding this clinic at just the right time.

My dives were set to the following:

Week 1 to 2 – Pressure 2.0 – 33 ft.

Week 3 to 4 – Pressure 2.2 – 40 ft.

Week 5 to 11 – Pressure 2.4 – 46 ft.

As far as symptoms are concerned, there are still some that remain from the list I composed in 2015, though nowhere as many.

Symptoms that remain are:

-Nausea (Frequent)

-Burning Ear Canals (Frequent)

-Insomnia (Frequent)

-Anxiety (Rare)

-Dizziness (Rare)

-Fatigue (Rare)

-Major Weight Loss (Ongoing)

-Gut Malabsorption (Ongoing)

-Stomach Pain / Burning [Stomach lining OR digestive tract seems to be extremely inflamed] (Frequent)

-Food Intolerances / Sensitivities [Wheat, Dairy, Processed Foods, High-Sugar Foods, Seafood (Ongoing)

-Difficulty with Reading Comprehension [At times my mind has trouble processing the words] (Ongoing)

In summary, I’m feeling generally improved however there are still major issues that are on-going. Most alarming at the moment is the extreme burning stomach pain accompanied by nausea. Additionally, insomnia is another major issue. It seems to have started up around the same time as the stomach pain.

I’m not sure what it causing this distress to the stomach, however, I need to get to the bottom of it asap.

Lastly, I’m curious as to why the Government of Canada, Health Canada, Abbott Laboratories and Bayer are STILL making these poisons available to the masses? Are they deliberately trying to kill people? Why aren’t there any lawyers in Canada who will take on my case? More importantly, why haven’t victims in Canada been compensated for all the pain and suffering they’ve endured and continue to endure to this day?

For those looking to learn the truth of what’s going on in this world and unravel the mystery of why so many people are walking around sick, I highly recommend reading Jim Marrs’ book “Population Control: How Corporate Owners Are Killing Us”. While certain people will undoubtedly label it as propaganda or conspiracy theory, those who are awake to the atrocities of our governments and corporations will fully appreciate this book.

Wishing you all peace and health,


** The story above is truthful, accurate and told to the best of the ability of the writer. It is not intended as medical advice. No person who submits his or her story, nor the people associated with Floxie Hope, diagnoses or treats any illness. The story above should not be substituted for professionally provided medical advice. Please consult your doctor before trying anything that has been mentioned in this story, or in any other story on this site. Please also note that people have varying responses to the treatments mentioned in each story. What helps one person may not help, and may even hurt, another person. It is important that you understand that supplements, IVs, essential oils, and all other treatments, effect people differently depending on the millions of variables that make each of us unique. Please use appropriate caution and prudence, and get professional medical advice.

331 thoughts on “Lukasz’s Story – Clarithromycin and Ciprofloxacin Poisoning, and Healing

  1. L March 19, 2017 at 6:02 pm Reply

    Oh Lukazs I am so so sorry. I did ok with the anesthetic at my holistic dds but only had a crown replaced. I am so angry this happened to you. To all of us. And that not one penny of their ill gotten gains has been spent to try to undo the damage done. I know it is very expensive but I think perhaps stem cell could help.

    • Lukasz June 1, 2017 at 1:39 pm Reply

      Hey L,

      Apologies for the late response.

      Yes, it really is unfortunate that all this money goes towards the manufacturing of these “life-saving” pills as some like to dub them, yet very little if any goes towards ADR research. I have no doubt that pharmaceutical companies and the employees that work for them are well aware of the millions of reports of ADRs that are out there. Why spend time helping those who have been affected when you can devote time and money towards building a bigger, wealthier empire? It’s a classic tale of greed, corruption, saving face and sheer arrogance. Pharmaceutical politics. God will be the judge of these people, of that I have no doubt.

  2. zainab April 11, 2017 at 7:48 am Reply

    i had also taken clarithromycin for h pylori
    its been 6 months but im still dizzy and have aches and pains.

    • Lukasz June 1, 2017 at 1:50 pm Reply

      Hi Zainab,

      Truly sorry to hear about your ordeal. Just over 2.5 years for me and I still have the dizzy spells you speak of. Same with aches and pains unfortunately. It’s especially bad around the beginning and end of each month.

      All I can say to you is, continue to hang in there. It’s hell, I know, but only time can heal us. Lots of supplements out there you can try but be careful not to overdo it as many here, including myself, have seen what can happen when too many supplements are used at once.

  3. Zainab May 23, 2017 at 4:10 am Reply

    Hi lukaz

    Just wondering if u experienced any numbness

    • Lukasz June 1, 2017 at 2:02 pm Reply


      What kind of numbness are you referring to? The physical or mental kind? I was EXTREMELY NUMB from the mental standpoint as I had suffered full-blown psychosis at the beginning of my ordeal. For a long time, I felt utterly and completely DISCONNECTED from the world. Add major depression, huge anxiety and frequent panic attacks on top of that and I really didn’t feel like I was on this planet any longer. There’s no words to describe the fear I felt. It was HELL ON EARTH.

      Thankfully, I’ve come a long way since but yes, there is still some numbness left over.

      Depending on where you are in your recovery, the magnitude of the numbness should eventually decrease.

      All the best to you.

      • Zainab June 2, 2017 at 4:01 am Reply

        Hi luqas. Thanks for your reply.
        Current symptoms are
        Eye pain
        Can clarithromycin really cause soo much harm? I feel depressed

        • Lukasz June 2, 2017 at 9:42 am

          Sadly, yes.

          All of these symptoms are attributed to antibiotic-induced toxicity. I have all of the above symptoms.

  4. Zainab June 2, 2017 at 4:05 am Reply

    All my symptoms started within weeks of taking clarithromycin.. before that I was perfectly fine..
    I’m from zimbabwe

    • Zainab June 2, 2017 at 5:55 am Reply

      Hi luqas
      Would appreciate your help and response. I feel overwhelmed with fear . I also have eye twitching..

      I don’t know how long I’ll feel like this and if I’ll ever recover


      • Lukasz June 2, 2017 at 9:57 am Reply

        Try to keep in mind that the fear you’re experiencing is an illusion. It’s a side-effect, a symptom of the drug. It’s NOT real. It feels very real, but it’s NOT. In time, you will feel less fear. Eventually, you’ll begin to take back control of your mind. In the meantime, I suggest you find things to distract you, things like the arts, hobbies, projects, etc. Any sort of activity that will keep your mind off of what’s going on. I know it’s hard to focus on anything at the moment but this is what saved my life up until this point. Just keep your mind occupied in any way possible and you will start to take back control.

        Do not let the mind overpower you. You’re the master of your mind. Not the other way around.

        Hang in there, it’ll get better.

        • Heidi September 11, 2017 at 12:55 pm

          Great comment! So true.

      • naty April 7, 2018 at 7:24 pm Reply

        dude this pills are made by devils who wants kill people! i took it for h ployri which is never caused me any pain in stomatch but doctor recommenced that i take it to prevent further issues , i never read before about toxciity antibiotics . every day i wake up now with stomatch pain ache and burning also a chest pain leg muscle spasm tinithus(ring in the ears)goess off and back . i have no clue how will i get heal from that or there is no way its been 1 years+ already i tooks this pills

        • Lukasz September 12, 2018 at 7:28 am

          NO PAIN in the stomach whilst being diagnosed with h. pylori prior to taking the antibiotics and PLENTY OF PAIN after taking antibiotics for h. pylori. Go figure! Sorry to hear about your ordeal. These things should NEVER happen.

    • Lukasz June 2, 2017 at 9:47 am Reply

      It takes days, weeks or in some cases, months for the symptoms to manifest. Unfortunately, this seems to be a global epidemic.

  5. Zainab June 2, 2017 at 10:14 am Reply

    It’s now been 7 months..
    The very next day I had stomach pain I was shaking. Rib pain. I called my gp. He said i should continue with the antibiotics. . I feel shaky at times till today. Like I’m gonna fall.
    I lost so much weight which I can’t gain

    I don’t know what to do
    Not homeopaths here in harare I can go to
    I’m having Fish oil. I feel my nerves have been affected badly

    • Lukasz June 2, 2017 at 5:34 pm Reply

      I feel your pain, Zainab. Try to get your hands on magnesium, preferably in powder form for better absorption. This will slow down the nerve damage and provide you with some relief from the suffocating depression/anxiety. Also, a multivitamin might help since your mineral and vitamin levels are most likely depleted. A blood test can paint a better picture of the deficiencies you may have. Weight loss is attributed to your compromised digestive system. When your digestive system is repaired (could take a long time), your body will be able to process foods again and you will be able to gain weight.

  6. Zainab June 2, 2017 at 10:14 am Reply

    It’s now been 7 months..
    The very next day I had stomach pain I was shaking. Rib pain. I called my gp. He said i should continue with the antibiotics. . I feel shaky at times till today. Like I’m gonna fall.
    I lost so much weight which I can’t gain

    I don’t know what to do
    Not homeopaths here in harare I can go to
    I’m having Fish oil. I feel my nerves have been affected badly

    • Zainab June 2, 2017 at 12:10 pm Reply

      I’m planning a trip to capetown in December. Hope and pray I start feeling better by then

      • Lukasz June 2, 2017 at 5:36 pm Reply

        I will pray for you.

        • Zainab June 2, 2017 at 7:57 pm

          Yes thanks. I will get the magnesium and vitamins today. It’s quite funny. Last month I actually had all my symptoms dissappear for a while . I was soo excited thinking im healed. However all my symptoms have come back.

        • Lukasz June 3, 2017 at 7:44 pm

          Yup, antibiotic-induced toxicity has that kind of an effect. One day you feel better and the next you feel like death.

  7. Zainab June 2, 2017 at 8:33 pm Reply

    I have so much more to share with you
    Hopefully I will soon.

  8. Zainab June 7, 2017 at 10:05 am Reply

    Hi lukaz
    I had some acidity in my stomach.. went to my gp. He said seems u have an ulcer or h. Pilori. Without a blood test he gave me pylokit for 7 days. As soon as I started the pills I felt sick.. stomach ache .shivering. loss of appetite. Muscle pain. On day 3 I rang him he said i should continue. I had anxiety too. On day 6 I stopped. I havnt felt better after that though 7 months have passed by. I have tingling in my hands and feet. Foot pain when I walk. I feel fatigued.

    • Roger August 18, 2017 at 2:24 pm Reply

      Hi Zainab – You should not take the medication without confirming that the bacteria is present. Your doctor must order a blood test or an endoscopy. An endoscopy can confirm that you have an ulcer and/or the bacteria (via biopsy). Stomach acidity can be caused by many different factors. I strongly suggest you find a new GP if he/she is prescribing meds without making sure of the diagnosis.
      I had hpylori about 5 months ago and made the mistake by doing the triple therapy for 7 days – three medications (amoxicillin, clarithromycin and omeprazole). I am still suffering from the side effects, and my GI claims i had an allergic reaction to the medication. Joint and muscle pain, as well as needle pricks are very present! Good luck!

      • Zainab September 5, 2017 at 3:23 am Reply

        Hi roger. What are your current symptoms

  9. Zainab June 14, 2017 at 7:50 am Reply

    Hi lukaz
    Is clarithromycin also as toxic as ciprofloxacin.. have u managed to put on any weight as I’m currently struggling to put on any.

    • Lukasz June 16, 2017 at 9:00 pm Reply

      Absolutely. Both are extremely toxic to the body and all the organs, tissues and blood vessels within it. That includes your brain, see neurotoxicity for more details. These antibiotics are sheer poison and doctors, pharmaceutical companies and regulatory agencies all know this. They know this but they don’t want you to know this. Too much money at stake.

      As for putting on any weight, I’m not sure that I have. I haven’t stepped on a scale for a while but judging by the mirror, it doesn’t look like it. I have severe muscle loss / muscle degeneration which only started after I ingested the poison. My gut is still ravaged since I’ve got plenty of food intolerances / food sensitivities. I have to constantly watch what I eat otherwise I get flare-ups.

      It’s a hard life, my friend. I hope you find some relief in the near future.

      • Azz August 8, 2017 at 6:13 am Reply

        Hi I’ve been poisoned for the past 2 weeks with alot of your symptoms only I fear I’m getting schizophrenia with severe paranoia and imagining things that aren’t there. Did you experience anything like this? I hope this will eventually go as it’s by far my scariest symptom.

        • L August 8, 2017 at 7:58 am

          I experienced severe paranoia. This coincided with the worst period of anxiety. At one point I had received a text from a phone number from the Washington DC area, asking me to meet somewhere to sign something. I freaked out. I thought “oh, the FDA is in the DC area, They must be trying to kill me because of all the things I have said against them.” I was so terrified, I went to the local police station. It was after hours and a police officer had to drive in to meet me. I explained the whole thing to him and he was very nice—not quite sure what to do and maybe thought I was crazy. I can’t even remember what he told me (this was over a year ago,) but I was bit calmer, but still very worried when I left.

          I had replied to the text something like “leave me alone. I got back another text saying something like “well, don’t list you’re name if you’re not available.” It turns out I had been listed somewhere for notary services (I am not a notary but it was related to other work I did.) I texted back and explained the whole story and it turns out it was a woman who lived locally but never gave up her DC phone number. It was quite a relief! The extreme anxiety last about a year but that paranoid stage lasted only a few months, so please know there is light at the end of the tunnel. Just more damage from these damn poisons.

        • Lukasz November 4, 2017 at 12:45 pm

          Apologies for getting back to you so late Azz. I’ve been away from this site for some time.

          First off, I’m really sorry to hear about your ordeal. Even though I did not experience schizophrenia at any point in time, I did experience a very high level of fear. So high that if I found myself in a public place of any kind, even a store, I was overwhelmed with gripping fear and felt like the world was closing in on me. It was frightening beyond words. Believe it or not, this fear still exists to this day, 3 years on from the onset of symptoms. Whenever I’m in a public setting, my anxiety levels shoot up and I’m left wanting to get out asap.

          These drugs are engineered to induce fear, paranoia and other psychiatric events in people. Make no mistake, these drugs are engineered this way for a purpose. It’s not until people revolt against this mass poisoning of society that something will change.

          In the meantime, there will continue to be more and more people being impacted by these drugs.

          I wish you all the best in your recovery.

        • L November 4, 2017 at 12:57 pm

          I too had that same panic in public for most of the first year. And Azz, I too had paranoia. I won’t recount the whole story here, but I actually contacted the local police department because I thought someone was trying to have me killed. Please trust it will pass.

        • L November 4, 2017 at 12:59 pm

          ok, didn’t realize I already did post about the paranoia. And yes, this is very much like a movie script—from Stephen King. The only thing is, if this all WERE a movie, you would dismiss it as too unbelievable. Just horrifying, and too out of the realm of our normal existence to be able to find the words to truly convey the terror.

        • Lukasz November 4, 2017 at 12:55 pm


          That’s quite the story. When I was reading it, I was thinking that this could easily be a script for a thriller movie, and not far off from a horror movie script either. Don’t know about you but I sometimes feel like I’m trapped in some movie where the script starts off nice and darkens as the movie/life progresses.

          Maybe this is all an illusion?

        • L November 4, 2017 at 1:27 pm

          I WISH it was an illusion

  10. Zainab June 17, 2017 at 7:51 am Reply

    Thanks.. I an just soo angry. There’s not a single day i havnt had symptons after i ingested the first pill.someone suggested cupping to remove the toxins. Maybe I’ll give it a go.

    • L June 17, 2017 at 9:40 am Reply

      Of course, everyone is different. The first acupuncturist I saw tried cupping. It did nothing for me. However at the time I had dropped a LOT of weight from the Cipro and I was skin and bones—the cups had a hard time staying on. The second acupuncturist I went to (and stayed with for a year) never once suggested cupping and I did get relief of different side effects from him with acupuncture and Chinese herbal meds. Again, my most relief came with nutrient IVs (phosphatidylcholine, Meyers, high dose C and H2O2.) Also supplements—esp magnesium in fairly high doses, coq10 and others that help with mitochondrial health and lots of probiotics

      • Lukasz November 4, 2017 at 2:09 pm Reply


        Can you advise which Chinese herbal meds you used and if they had any positive impact? Thinking about hitting up one of those places and seeing if they have any solutions.

        Did you take magnesium in powder or pill form and how much did you take exactly? Also, coq10 was in pill form right? What was the dosage and do you think it helped?

        Any significant progress as of late?

  11. Zainab June 17, 2017 at 8:08 am Reply

    Hopefully someday you can visit us here in Zimbabwe and we can catch up with our story . Lots of game parks and the magnificent Victoria Falls are all here

    • Lukasz June 18, 2017 at 12:26 pm Reply

      I was fully booked to travel through the continent of Africa (including Zimbabwe) in 2015. I lost thousands of dollars as I didn’t take out insurance for the trip. This was back when all hell was breaking loose.

      Nevertheless, it’s still my goal to one day step foot on the African continent.

      • Zainab June 18, 2017 at 12:30 pm Reply

        That’s saad..
        Hopefully one day you will visit Africa and zimbabwe

        • Lukasz November 4, 2017 at 2:11 pm

          Hope so.

  12. Joan Aikens September 4, 2017 at 7:08 am Reply

    So after reading all this…..should I stop taking these 3 antibiotic……I am 4 days into it, am so afraid to take the toxic2 doses of Clarithromycn. It itteraly is a poison! Diagnosed w H. Pilori
    I am also being diagnosed w a cancerous tumor on pancreas. Diarea daily & unable to eat, have lost 20 + pounds since June 2017 its now Sept 3…. before they treat the cancer my doc wants to treat the H.Pilori.
    Joan Aikens

    • L September 4, 2017 at 9:39 am Reply

      There are so many natural treatments out there for H pylori. If I were you I would find a recommended naturopath or integrative md asap for Both the issues you are having.

      • Amy September 14, 2017 at 7:19 pm Reply

        Hi Lukaszs,

        I’m really sorry you had to endure the awful antibiotic toxicity. I took metronidazole (Flagyl) for one week and like you trusted the doctor and didn’t get any warnings at the pharmacy as to the strength of the antibiotic, I even called them with symptoms and they didn’t seem concerned. I have experienced most of your symptoms along with the one that bothers me the most actually is the destruction and wrinkling of my skin with new creases with every movement, loss of most of my muscle (I was in good shape before and muscular) along with limb and muscle jerking every night that keeps me awake. I also lost most of my sense of smell and my taste is distorted. I already had tinnitus and dizziness and vertigo for many years prior I think to a different adverse reaction that was never acknowledged and both continue to this day but are manageable. I pray that my symptoms will subside and heal and that you are feeling better too. Please update on your progress. Amy.

        • Lukasz November 4, 2017 at 3:15 pm

          Hi Amy,

          Apologies for the late reply. I’ve been taking some time off from the site.

          I too am very sorry for your suffering. No one deserves to go through this crap. It’s really sad that the pharmacy didn’t seem to care about your symptoms. In my eyes, they’re just as guilty of crimes as pharmaceutical companies and doctors. Most pharmacists are well aware of ADRs, especially those of potent ones like macrolides and fluoroquinolones but choose to keep silent as they don’t want to jeopardize their employment. How sad. They’d rather people suffer than inform them about possible side effects. Again, it’s greed, corruption and just plain misconduct on their part.

          Yeah, I’ve wrinkled quite a bit myself and that was in my mid-30s. Apparently 20s and 30s is the new 70s and 80s. These poisons speed up the aging process. As for the muscle loss, that one is brutal since muscle acts a barrier to bones and other vital components of the body. With muscle degeneration, the body is nowhere as strong as it would be with proper, healthy muscle. The spasms are really annoying and you’re right, they do keep us up since our body and mind needs to be in a completely relaxed state in order to fall asleep. I remember the smell and taste issues quite well as well.

          As for my current state, I’m not doing too well to be honest. I had some serious stomach troubles recently and have had to remove myself from work for the third time in as many years because of it. I’m getting tired of fighting this battle. I’ve not had any joy in my life for the past 3 years so I often think about ending it. It’s a tough life.

          Anyway, I hope you’re able to continue to make great strides in your recovery.

          All the best, Amy.

    • Zainab September 5, 2017 at 3:24 am Reply

      Pls avoid these antibiotics. As they are really poison

      • Zainab September 5, 2017 at 3:25 am Reply

        Hi roger what are your current symptoms

    • Lukasz November 4, 2017 at 2:27 pm Reply

      Hi Joan,

      Sorry for not replying to you earlier. Been away from the site for a while.

      I’m not at liberty to say whether these drugs should be consumed or not, just that I regret my decision. As L said, there are plenty of alternatives out there including oregano oil which is a potent NATURAL antibiotic-like alternative.

      Sadly, the docs would rather push pills onto unsuspecting people because that’s where they fatten up their piggy banks. Let’s not forget that the treatment they push onto us is made up of THREE medicines. That’s 3x the money.

      …and 3x the GREED.

      How are you feeling these days?

  13. Liz September 27, 2017 at 11:02 am Reply

    Hi Lukasz, I have just been prescribed Clarithromycin for a sinus infection. Like you I have taken this in the past for H pylori and other infections. I have suffered with similar symptoms to you. I have been ill for years and have wondered if any of the medications have caused my problems. I took one tablet this morning and am already experiencing pain in my joints and tendons. I will not take any more. My doctors told me that I have Rheumatoid Arthritis but I wonder if they are right.
    What I found has helped me greatly are sea kelp tablets for iodine plus a good quality probiotic daily and infra red saunas. I started at the lowest dose of sea kelp and immediately noticed a reduction in my pain. I thought I had problems with my Thyroid gland but all tests were coming back clear. I have many of the symptoms that you and others have described. Loss of muscle and weight, pain, plus too many others to mention. If anybody is on medication for thyroid issues please check with your doctor before taking Sea Kelp. As I said I started on the lowest dose as I think that I cannot cope with high strength supplements. Thank you Lukasz and all others for your posts. Please let me know if you notice a difference if you decide to take Sea Kelp/Iodine. All the very best to you all.

    • L September 27, 2017 at 3:08 pm Reply

      Try oil of oregano for the sinus infection. Get it in a dropper with carrier oil form. Put several drops under your tongue. Hold for about 10 seconds. Add some water, gargle and swallow. (IT’s gross but so worth and more effective than capsules.) Do this 4 times a day for a couple weeks (likely won’t even take that long.)

    • Lukasz November 4, 2017 at 6:42 pm Reply

      Hi Liz,

      Thanks for your comment and I apologize for getting back to you so late. I’ve been offline for some time.

      There you have it. All it takes is one pill to start the chain reaction. Imagine what multiple pills would do to you or what have done to you in the past. Putting the pieces to the puzzle takes quite a bit of time for some, but at some point most people are able to come to the realization that it was the pills/drops that did them in. Thank God for the internet, right?

      Funny (but not funny) how the doctors are trying to cover up the damage by telling you that you have Rheumatoid Arthritis. The same way they’re coming up with dozens of names for conditions caused by various pharmaceuticals. Interestingly enough, there is more evidence than ever that diseases/conditions like MS and ALS are caused by antibiotics.

      Same goes for CFS, fibromyalgia, and a myriad of other autoimmune conditions. More than ever, we’re seeing the connection between a destroyed microbiome which causes dysbiosis, and the very illnesses/diseases that are afflicting millions upon millions around the world. It’s no secret that antibiotics destroy the immune system, the very system that’s supposed to keep us healthy and free from disease! Instead, thanks to antibiotics, our immune systems are attacking the very place they call home; our bodies! That’s why we’re sick.

      Thanks very much for the suggestions. I am really keen on trying the sea kelp tablets. Which brand do you use? I tried to find some here in Canada but haven’t been able to find good quality ones. Best one I found is from a UK supplier – Holland & Barrett – but they don’t ship outside of Europe.

      These are the ones I’m referring to:

      How many tablets do you take a day (I’m guessing just one?) and can you recommend a good probiotic to take?

      Also, by infrared sauna, you mean a regular sauna like those found in fitness clubs? How long do you stay inside of them?

      Sorry for bombarding you with all these Qs. Just trying to steady a sinking ship. Thanks again for all the above info.

  14. Lukasz November 4, 2017 at 11:45 am Reply

    A video I filmed on my ADRs:

    The 3 year anniversary edition.

    I tried to provide some tips for those who are suffering, though if I’m going to be honest, I’m still very much suffering myself. I’ve been contemplating suicide a lot as of late but I don’t want to give my perpetrators the satisfaction of having another kill. So I’ve been hanging on, waiting for better days.

    Hope you’re all doing ok.


    • Zainab November 5, 2017 at 10:50 am Reply

      Sad to hear your are still struggling. I pray u finf relief soon. My dizziness eyelid twitching fatigue have subsided after a year. The aches and pains continue…
      What are your current symptom?
      Please share


      • Lukasz November 7, 2017 at 11:40 am Reply

        Hi Zainab,

        Thanks for the well wishes. Really sorry to hear about the aches and pains that are making life difficult for you but I’m glad you’ve been able to find some relief from the other symptoms.

        I have too many symptoms to name. Most of the original ones actually. Depression and anxiety are really kicking my ass also. At this point I could care less if I live or not.

        Sorry to sound so negative but I’m having a hard time after such a long battle.

        • Zainab November 8, 2017 at 3:37 am

          No u hang in there lukasz..
          Think positive ..think positive.. think positive…

        • Zainab November 8, 2017 at 3:45 am

          These were my symptoms after takingg clarithromycin.
          Fatigue anxiety tremors panick attacks insomia hives headaches leg cramps aches and pains eyelid twitch confusion dizziness imbalance hairloss weightloss eye pain

    • clockkicker December 10, 2017 at 12:38 am Reply

      Hi there. So sorry to hear you are still suffering. I would guess at this point you’ve tried everything, but if you haven’t tried Magnesium Threonate you should look it up. It crosses the blood brain barrier which other forms do not I guess? It has done wonders for my anxiety, brain fog, and insomnia along with CBD oil. Just thought I’d share because I had those really bad and now they are a non issue. Now just waiting for my legs to recover…

      • Lukasz January 20, 2018 at 7:55 pm Reply

        Hey clockkicker,

        Great username. : )

        Thanks for your advice. I’m pretty sure I tried Magnesium Threonate a while back. It definitely rings the bell. Back then I couldn’t stomach any supplements since my gut was ravaged but maybe I’ll revisit this supplement now that my gut is doing better. How are you taking it? Pill or powder form? Also, what is the dosage you’ve been using?


  15. Alison November 11, 2017 at 12:26 am Reply

    Hey, I had a nightmare time on clarithromycin. I’m a natural health practitioner but my symptoms were so severe that I ended up on diazepam for a year. Far too extensive and harrowing to write about here. When I recovered I wrote about it . You can access my paper at

    • Zainab November 11, 2017 at 9:46 am Reply

      Hi Alison. I cant access your page. Pls share your experiance with clarithromycin

    • Lukasz November 12, 2017 at 2:58 pm Reply

      Hey Alison,

      Clarithromycin is indeed a nightmare-inducing drug.

      It’s amazing how many people are affected by this drug. Just as many as Ciprofloxacin it seems.

      I’ve heard benzos are another nightmare. I’m glad you’ve made significant progress from both sets of drugs.

  16. Liz November 15, 2017 at 10:23 am Reply

    Hi Lukasz, my English is not very good (I speak polish & french), but I have been poisoned 2 months ago and I have pain all over my body and the worse is that every single joint is cracking and is very weak, even my neck and my back.I had the anxiety issues and a terrible insomnia in the first month but this is over now. Keep fighting.
    We can discuss on PM if you need to.

  17. Lukasz November 15, 2017 at 11:04 pm Reply

    Hey Liz,

    Which drug poisoned you? Clarithromycin or Cipro? Either way, I’m really sorry to hear about your reaction.

    I don’t mean to scare you but I’m just over 3 years out and I continue to have a myriad of symptoms including many aches and pain. Everyone is impacted differently so maybe you’ll be one of the lucky ones and have a shorter recovery than some of the others on this site, myself included.

    As of late, I’ve been having good results from the use of a sauna. It may help you as well but because your ADR occurred not long ago, I would strongly suggest keeping any sessions to a minimum so as not to overheat and overburden your body. At least at the beginning. Later on, it should be fine to do longer sessions.

    You’re quite lucky to rid yourself of insomnia so early on. I still have sleep issues to this day. This probably has to do with me screwing myself up with both sets of drugs (less than six months apart believe it or not).

    Good luck to you in your recovery. You seem to have a good attitude which should take you a long way.

    If you wish to reach me outside of this site, my e-mail address is:

    Trzymaj sie i wracaj do zdrowia jak najszybciej. Powodzenia.

  18. Shay December 2, 2017 at 11:45 am Reply

    Hi Lukasz. I took clarithromycin semi recently and have been very sick ever since. i read your blog & was hoping i could discuss some side effects with you. I’m not much of a blog commenter so was really hoping you could reach out to me via email –
    Hope to hear from you soon!! Have a great day.

    • Lukasz December 31, 2017 at 1:46 pm Reply

      Hi Shay,

      I’ve sent an e-mail your way.

  19. Ryan December 2, 2017 at 3:20 pm Reply

    Glad to see your back on here. I commented twice on here a year and a half ago. Its been 3 1/2yrs now since i took Clarithromycin and just decided now to try and do something to get better from it. Read through all this again and im sorry to hear that your not doing better than you are yet. I have a couple questions. I’m in Canada as well and anything good has to be ordered from the states, lol.
    -Have you tried bentonite clay detox baths? Like when you make mud from it, smear it on yourself, wait for it to dry and pull the toxins out, then get in the bath with it? just wondering how much is needed or how much i should order.
    -I’m thinking of trying the MLD treatment, but have you heard of or tried ‘dry brushing’? supposedly you can move your lymphatic fluid around yourself to aid in detoxing. I’m trying to find one of the brushes locally now.
    – did you try the activated charcoal i suggested a year and a half ago? did it do anything for you?
    – The Phosphatidylserine supplement you take- where do you get it and how much do you take?
    -how much flaxseed were you boiling and eating? how did you do that? I bought some but don’t know what to do with it, lol.

    i took Clarithromycin for 5 days and all the symptoms i still have started immediately. Mostly mental stuff. Insomnia and extreme tiredness as well but the charcoal i took one time helped a fair bit for that. Could go to sleep around 1am after that instead of 2am.
    With the depressive stuff your going through now I hope your able to keep in mind that its just your mind lying to you. Depression is a strange thing where you mind attacks your body and soul. Sort of sounds similar to Ciprofloxacin and Clarithromycin doesnt it?

    • Lukasz December 31, 2017 at 4:19 pm Reply

      Hey Ryan,

      Thanks for dropping back in.

      Always good to catch up on other people’s progress, or lack of progress in some cases. 3 1/2 years, eh? Time is passing by really quick don’t you think? I don’t know about you but this troubles me since I feel that life is passing me by. Every year I tell myself that this is the year I feel like my old self again only to feel brutal 90% of the year. It’s extremely discouraging to have to face this kind of reality but such is the case with antibiotic-induced toxicity. Hopefully one year we can put all this to rest.

      Re: bentonite clay detox baths, I’ve not used them. I can’t say I know much about the subject other than that I used epsom salt baths for a short while and they seemed to make me feel worse. I could have been experiencing Herxheimer Reaction, I don’t know. Either way, I have no experience with clay baths but if you decide to go this route, I would be curious to know the results.

      Never heard of dry brushing but I reckon it would have saved me a lot of money since MLD treatments are quite costly. Had I known about this, I would have probably bought this brush instead, though I’m not sure where it can be picked up. It’s hard to say whether or not MLD massages have a lot of benefit to them but any form of moving the toxins along for disposal is beneficial.

      Unfortunately I didn’t get a chance to try activated charcoal. I didn’t research it enough to find out if its beneficial enough, pros vs cons of using it, etc. I’m not even sure how one goes about preparing it for consumption. This is another item that I would like to learn more about.

      Re: Phosphatidylserine supplement, I haven’t taken this supplement before. I’ve taken Fish Oil and Cod Liver Oil, which are similar to this supplement, but no Phosphatidylserine as far as I can remember.

      As for flaxseed, it was a long time ago but I think it was about 2 teaspoons or so. It has to be grinded down and then mixed with boiling water. Lots of stirring is required to make it into a gel like substance. There’s lots of videos on youtube which could walk you through the steps.

      Yup, mental stuff, insomnia and extreme fatigue are all things I continue to battle with for the past 3+ years. It’s amazing how similar everyone’s story is. This goes to show that these drugs were designed and engineered to cause as much fear, destruction and pain / suffering to the masses as humanly possible. Scientists, researchers, and doctors knew exactly what they were doing when they distributed these poisons. Their plan worked to perfection as exhibited by the number of people impacted around the world. Hopefully they will reap what they sow.

      All the best to you, Ryan. May 2018 bring you good health.

  20. Azz December 5, 2017 at 7:24 pm Reply

    Of all the stories I’ve read yours mirrors my own the most, like your experience I’m also suffering from phychosis the frustrating thing is it almost whent 3 months after being poisoned only to suddenly come back now at 5 months post. This is the worst symptom for me and I can’t help worrying it could be permeneant. I’ve also started to feel extremely dizzy unfortunately I also lost my job due to taking too much time off, before this nightmare started I often told my wife how happy I am oh what a change compared to now. I still believe I will improve though this site really gives me hope thanks for your story!

    • Zainab December 6, 2017 at 4:47 am Reply

      Hi Azz
      Which antibiotic poisoned you

      • Azz August 17, 2018 at 5:59 am Reply


    • Lukasz December 31, 2017 at 5:03 pm Reply

      Hi Azz,

      It’s really unfortunate that so many stories on this site mirror each other, isn’t it? I wish none of us even had a story to tell on this website but the face of evil has reared it’s ugly head. All we can do is ride out the storm.

      Psychosis is the most frightening experience you can have on this planet. It took me a long time to slay that monster. Unfortunately, I’m still left battling the leftover demons. Hard as it may be, I intend to slay them too.

      The dizzy spells are a nasty side effect. Most days I still feel dizzy and that’s more than three years on.

      So sorry to hear about you losing your job. I was in a similar predicament not long ago. Twice already I’ve had to leave work for extended periods of time. Even today, I don’t know how long I will last before I have to remove myself again. I worry about becoming homeless all too often. If it wasn’t for my family, I would probably be living on the streets already.

      I feel your pain brother. I used to be a happy person too. I loved living life. Now I’m just trying to get by from day to day. If it’s any consolation to you, tens of thousands, perhaps even millions around the world are going through the same ordeal. No state is permanent. Not even death. Eventually, at some point, we’ll overcome this and life will be good again.

      Best wishes for 2018!

      • Angela owl January 13, 2018 at 4:04 pm Reply

        Hi L,
        I was serverly floxed at 31. When the pill was black blocked in the US. I was happy healthy young living life. I have tendon pain all over my body I can’t even feed myself. I hurt all over my body I also got the psy side effects as well. My heart is broken. It also affected my spine I mean every part of my body. My feet up to my neck. I just don’t know what to do anymore Inwas happy healthy girl who loved life.

        • L January 13, 2018 at 4:34 pm

          I am so sorry to hear this. Makes me very angry. For connective tissue damage eg tendons, meniscus etc look into prolozone injections. Try to find a good Nd or integrative dr that does iv therapy as well

  21. CB December 13, 2017 at 2:04 pm Reply


    Have you considered an autoimmune condition called “Relapsing Polychondritis”.

    This condition causes the immune system to attack collagen in places such as the ears, chest and joints. The attack is usually accompanied by a heat sensation and tends to go quiet before relapsing weeks/months later.

    It is treatable with immunosuppressants.


    • Lukasz December 31, 2017 at 5:31 pm Reply

      Hi CB,

      I wouldn’t rule out the condition you state, however, one can probably diagnose me with 50 different diseases/illnesses. They all overlap one another.

      I know for a fact that my immune system is compromised, I’ve known this since a naturopath diagnosed me with leaky gut syndrome and adrenal fatigue, but I also know that the damage from the antibiotics far exceeds that of the aforementioned conditions.

      I have no doubt that the damage is quite extensive on the cellular front, not to mention damaged organs and systems vital to health i.e. brain, CNS, etc.

      I get what you’re saying but immunosuppressive drugs are not something I want to pursue after my encounter with antibiotics considering that they come with their own set of problems and potential side effects.

      If I were to have an allergic reaction to them, it would surely be the final nail in the coffin for me.

      Thanks for your input though. Happy 2018.

      • L December 31, 2017 at 5:39 pm Reply

        A wise choice I think. I try to avoid all pharmaceuticals at this point. So sorry to hear you are not improving much though. I felt about 90 percent improved and now am having major breathing issues that may or may not be related to the Cipro. (When I was first floxed I literally gasped for every breath for months.) I do know that I still have fluid around my heart since the Cipro so have to get routine echos to make sure it has not increased.

        In addition to the many IVs, one of the best “therapies” I had was the prolozone injections for torn meniscus. IF you are still having connective tissue issues eg with tendons I would highly recommend these injections. IT takes a few months to see improvement, but it helps your body heal itself.

        • Lukasz January 20, 2018 at 9:53 pm


          I’ve done more research into the above autoimmune condition that CB states above and I’ve come to the conclusion that he may be on to something. I may well have Relapsing Polychondritis. I’m not 100% certain, and I may never know for sure, but the fact that my ears burn frequently (including as I write this) and my joints are almost always inflamed has me wondering. The symptoms of RP seem to match up with mine quite a bit. The fact that my airway seemed blocked, almost inflamed, for so long is potentially another indicator that he may right. Seeing as you have reoccurring throat problems, have you considered this as well?

          There’s a very informative documentary about this condition on Relapsing Polychondritis Awareness and Support Foundation’s YouTube channel. It’s called “RP The Ride of My Life”.

          Something to consider.

        • L January 21, 2018 at 12:01 pm

          I looked into this and the breathing issues caused by this appear to come more from the throat. When I first had the breathing problems a researcher said he strongly suspect mitochondrial damage to the heart muscle (which is where it feels like it is coming from). I still personally believe it has to do with nerve damage.

      • CB January 21, 2018 at 6:07 am Reply


        I’ve been researching more since my last message.

        My symptoms, which include burning ear auricles (worse in evening), seem to be influenced by my diet (meat seems to be biggest trigger).

        There are a few websites of people who claim to manage conditions like Rheumatoid Arthritis and Relapsing Polychondritis with diet and exercise.

        My working theory is that these conditions are related more to dysfunctional mitochondria and not conventional auto-antibodies seen in conditions like systemic lupus.

        Here is a blog from a lady who claims to reduce her symptoms by going vegan:

        This is similar to what Terry Wahls did with her diet but this time excluding meat altogether.

        It’s worth a try I guess. My working theory is some mitochondrial mechanism is faulty (perhaps calcium signalling) because I also react badly to magnesium. I am just starting this diet so I’ll see what happens.


  22. Lukasz January 21, 2018 at 11:51 am Reply


    Thanks for your post.

    I too seem to get the burning ears after eating something that doesn’t agree with my body, expect for me, there’s more triggers than meat alone. The triggers for me are wheat, dairy, processed foods, high-sugar foods and seafood. All of these, I’ve noticed, tend to flare things up.

    Another interesting observation I’ve made is that I had these burning ear sensations at the beginning of my ordeal, only to have them subside for a long time, and now they are back and worse than ever. I’ve been dealing with this painful symptom for the past 4 or 5 days now.

    I do think you’re right about this being triggered by diet and more so, mitochondrial malfunction but I also think a faulty immune system is as much to blame as the diet choices and mitochondria. It seems that our immune systems may be attacking certain parts of our bodies.

    My speculation is that the antibiotic ear drops that went into my ears have caused my immune system to inadvertently target my ears and other parts of my body. This could very well have to do with the antibiotic messing up the electrical signals or nerve impulses in the body.

    There’s one N.D. I found that claims that the burning ear symptom is related to the state of our kidneys. He says that the ears exhibit this symptom because the kidneys are not performing their job. He is also advocating changing to a vegan diet in order to repair kidney damage.

    Thanks for posting the link to the Reluctant Raw Foodist website. I’m going to check it out.

    Also, are you as malnourished as I am? I can just about see my skeleton these days. I worry that it’s a matter of time before I’m gone.

    • CB January 21, 2018 at 3:39 pm Reply


      I agree the immune system is dysfunctional, there is a blog from someone who took Cipro in 2003 and he reacts to smells/chemicals. He has kept a journal over the years and it got to the point where he had to take steroids and did have success with them:

      I have lost a lot of weight, I was initially eating chicken and vegetables but now react to all foods in some way or other. I had stopped drinking so much water as it made my tinnitus louder but I am now drinking a lot more as I think it helps.

      On the ReluctantRawFoodist website, she made a post where she said she strayed from her vegan diet and then found she reacted even to some of her safe foods. She also mentions that she was reacting badly to chemical smells initially and her diet fixed that so I guess perhaps the antioxidant effects of the vegetables calm the immune system down by reducing free radical damage. As for the quantity of vegetables, I guess the more the better. Terry Wahls eats large amounts of vegetables and there was also a study done by UCLA where they halted/reversed alzheimers with a regimen including high vegetable intake.

      With regards to the kidney theory, it’s possible. Either way, I am now eating more vegetables and drinking more water so that should help. I still need to find a source of fat/protein that I can tolerate, I am currently looking into oats, wheat cereal or maybe even occasional duck eggs.

      I have also looked into prednisone use and have heard it can worsen some people so I guess it’s best avoided for now. If I did take it, I think I’d want it injected rather than sustain any more gut damage.

      Please do be careful with anything that we’ve discussed, I’d hate to hear that things have worsened. I will post back with an update providing I find some improvement in my symptoms during the coming weeks.


      • L January 21, 2018 at 3:46 pm Reply

        PLEASE avoid prednisone at all costs. I am convinced it was what helped the Cipro cause me to be severely floxed. Plus just on its own it has long list of scary side effects, many of which overlap Cipro side effects. You would do well to avoid ALL steroids.

      • Lukasz January 21, 2018 at 9:16 pm Reply


        Thanks for posting Ted’s account. I’ve read through most of his entries and can relate to much of what he wrote. There’s many similarities and I often felt like I was reading my own account of events. I’ve made some mental notes and will implement some of his strategies.

        As for steroids, this is something I intend to avoid for as long as humanly possible.

        I think you make a good point. Water intake is important. I went a long stretch without consuming a good amount of water and was feeling brutal, to say the least. Now, the problem is finding good, clean water. Just about every brand seems to be heavily chemically processed these days. Not only have the elites poisoned our food, they’ve also poisoned our water. This applies to bottled water as well. You almost have to live next to a mountain in order to get access to decent drinking water.

        I definitely believe that fruits and vegetables are extremely effective at battling disease. I would even say that they are the most effective of all. I know how I feel when I don’t consume fruits and vegetables vs. how I feel when I do. It’s a night and day difference. For me, the biggest challenge is adapting to life without all the other crap food that is widely available. To go from eating everything to eating only certain items is one of the most difficult challenges of my life. I’m still trying to adapt to this day.

        Finding fat and protein sources presents a whole separate challenge for me as well.

        Do keep me updated. Thanks.

        • CB August 17, 2018 at 10:23 am

          Hi Lukasz,

          It’s been about 7 months since we last spoke and I have found improvements that I wanted to share.

          Firstly, I found that I could tolerate eating baked and mashed sweet potato pretty well without the skin. I ate that four times daily with a small amount of chicken and zucchini.

          I was trying to introduce more foods 2 months ago when cheese caused a severe reaction. I then got so reactive to all foods that I got desperate and water fasted for 2.5 days. After the fast, I found that I no longer reacted to chicken. I started eating lots of chicken but could not gain any weight so I bought some organic unsalted butter and cooked roast sweet potatoes in butter. A couple weeks later, I had gained 9KG eating just chicken and a huge amount of butter roasted sweet potato.

          I still had some symptoms and reacted to most foods. I found prolonged water fasting miserable so this week I cut my meal frequency to one meal a day. I eat a massive meal at 12 midday and then consume nothing else except water. Things have been improving more by doing this intermittent fasting so I guess my gut is healing and systemic inflammation is going down. Time will tell how much better I get but I am pretty functional albeit limited in what I eat still. I hope my food intolerances will clear up, I’ve been reading that more prolonged water fasting resets a damaged immune system so will try it some time when my mind is stronger.

          I do also take about 1/6th of a teaspoon of inulin daily, it seems to fix my gut pain but I do get a mild reaction from it.

          I’ve found certain things trigger worse inflammation in my body such as hot showers, direct sunlight, sexual activity and possibly exercise.

          Lukasz, feel free to leave me your email if you want to talk further.


  23. Steven Treible February 1, 2018 at 3:54 am Reply

    Hi Lukasz,

    I have been on a prescription of clarithromycin because I couldn’t tolerate amoxicillin. I have lost so much weight after being on this drug, I’m not sure what to do. I’m at my wits end because I’m already a thin person and now I’m even thinner. I’m concerned, my wife is concerned. I’m uncertain what this stuff actually seems to do to the gut or metabolism to produce such side effects and how long they will persist for.

    I have found other cases of weight loss while on clarithromycin, but there’s no real story behind them. I might see comments such as “I lost ‘x’ pounds while on this stuff”, but the substance of the post just isn’t there.

    Is there anything you could recommend to restore my weight and sanity in all this? In the past week, I’ve lost three pounds that I can’t seemingly gain back no matter what I do. Does this stuff affect the thyroid or speed up the metabolism?

    Thanks for your time and hope to hear from you,


    • Zainab February 1, 2018 at 7:42 am Reply

      Hi steve please email me on

    • L February 1, 2018 at 9:14 am Reply

      Steve, I dropped 1/3 of my weight on Cipro. You need to restore your gut. Get on a good quality probiotic with several different strains and units in the billions. Add in fermented foods. Avoid GMOS and gluten. Eat a lot of unprocessed foods, and organic when you can. Add coconut oil to smoothies.

  24. Juzero February 2, 2018 at 11:23 am Reply

    Thank you for your story, I am21 months floxed, for your stomach pain take flaxseed water before 1 hour to bed or drink many times during the day with no food, I had all the symptoms as you, I also took a bunch of suplementos, what it help me multivitamins, potasio, caltrate with d3, complete aminoácidos, women probiotic, milk thistle, wheat grass, flaxseed water; when I don’t take this suplementos I get the horrible muscle pains, mental fog, artritis , now I am better but I have to say since a month ago my I can hear my heart and part of my face in numb , most of my skin is numb but my left face is numb and difficult to ignore, good luck

    • Lukasz February 10, 2018 at 6:03 pm Reply

      Hi Juzero,

      Sorry to hear about your ordeal.

      I’ve been down the route of flaxseed. It did help but I hated the taste. Thanks for the other suggestions. It’s fair to say that there’s not one specific thing that works but rather a combination of some things that seem to make the most difference. I hope the symptoms you’re experiencing as of late will soon vanish.

      Take care.

      • L February 10, 2018 at 6:09 pm Reply

        I mix ground flaxseed in with my oatmeal…don’t even notice it’s there, under the walnuts, blueberries and maple syrup. 🙂

        • Lukasz February 10, 2018 at 6:16 pm

          Thanks for the suggestion L. I’m going to give it a try. I can’t do milk but coconut milk should work fine as a replacement. Will the maple syrup not feed pathogens though?

        • L February 10, 2018 at 7:08 pm

          I only use almond milk myself. As for the maple syrup, I can’t answer that. I know it does have some health benefits though.

        • Lukasz February 11, 2018 at 9:36 am

          Sounds good. Thanks for this.

  25. Juzero February 2, 2018 at 11:23 am Reply

    Thank you for your story, I am21 months floxed, for your stomach pain take flaxseed water before 1 hour to bed or drink many times during the day with no food, I had all the symptoms as you, I also took a bunch of suplementos, what it help me multivitamins, potasio, caltrate with d3, complete aminoácidos, women probiotic, milk thistle, wheat grass, flaxseed water; when I don’t take this suplementos I get the horrible muscle pains, mental fog, artritis , now I am better but I have to say since a month ago my I can hear my heart and part of my face in numb , most of my skin is numb but my left face is numb and difficult to ignore, good luck

    • Juzero February 2, 2018 at 11:30 am Reply

      For the flaxseed water I boil 2 spoons in 5 cups and I drink cold just the water is a buggy water, don’t drink the seeds you will have a silly time in the bathroom, remember just drink the buggy water

  26. Lukasz February 10, 2018 at 5:49 pm Reply

    Hey Steve,

    Sounds like you found yourself in a similar position as me. I was prescribed Clarithromycin after advising the doc that I was allergic to Amoxicillin. In retrospect, I would have been better off on Amoxicillin since it’s in a lower class of antibiotics, hence less potent, but it’s all water under the bridge now. Interesting that they also ‘upgraded’ you to Clarithromycin. Must bring in a lot of money for them.

    Anyway, I’m not sure what the activity of the drug entails however I do know that it does a lot of damage to the stomach and various organs. Like you, I lost A LOT of weight. Most of it was muscle wasting or muscle loss but a good portion of the weight loss was caused by my gut being unable to absorb vitamins and minerals (nutrients) from food sources. That and certain proteins. When you add it all up, this is the equivalent of trying to run a car with a fuel tank which is constantly leaking. You won’t get very far. That’s your leaky gut and adrenal fatigue right there. Pretty much everyone who’s taken high-dose antibiotics has these two conditions to their name. More than three years on, I’m still trying to repair my gut to this day.

    I would give you advice on how to restore your gut but the truth is I’m still looking for answers myself. It’s possible, like me, you’re dealing with malabsorption issues but that’s just my opinion. If I find out how to reverse the gut damage or find a way to stop leaky gut, I’ll be sure to let you know in a future post. In the meantime, you can try boiling flaxseed and drinking the gel-like liquid to seal the stomach lining.

    All the best.

    • goya March 24, 2018 at 6:35 pm Reply

      Cześć Łukasz
      Przeczytałam całą Twoją historię choroby.
      U mnie pierwszą truciznę przepisano mi na zapalenie oskrzeli we wrześniu ub. roku – Cipro.
      Na początku grudnia zaczęło się: ból pośladka prawego, ale jakbym trzymała go we wrzątku. Siedzenie sprawiało ogromny ból. U nas w Polsce miesiącami czeka się na wizyty do specjalistów, więc wszystkich lekarzy odwiedzałam prywatnie za ciężkie pieniądze. Najpierw proktolog – wysłał mnie do neurochirurga. Ten chciał dać blokadę w kręgosłup. Miało to pomóc na kilka godzin i kosztować fortunę. Poszłam do innego neurochirurga, znanego profesora – powiedział, że to na pewno nie od kręgosłupa. W międzyczasie przeszłam terapię u osteopaty – pomaga, i akupunkturę – pomaga. Teraz mam iść do neurologa, ale znów mam problem z zatokami, gardłem i niżej. Lekarz przepisała mi jakiś antybiotyk, ale był za słaby, więc konował przepisał mi levox. Rano twarz spuchnięta, trudno oddychać. Pobiegłam do konowała, mówiąc, że mam uczulenie i ten antybiotyk to jakiś cyklon B. A ona przepisała mi Cipro. Porównałam obie ulotki i wyszło, że to jest to samo goowno. Zaczęłam czytać w necie i jestem tutaj z Wami.
      Ja też leczę nieszczelne jelita. Jest kuracja – mikstura oczyszczająca

      Spróbuj, bo warto,
      pozdrawiam serdecznie

      • Lukasz April 1, 2018 at 11:29 am Reply

        Czesc Malgosia,

        Witaj do naszej grupy. Bardzo mi przykro ze w Polsce te same wydarzenia sie dzieja co tu u nas w Ameryce Polnocnej. Nie myslalem ze lekarze was tam zatruwajom ale chyba maczie podobne problemy co my. Fluoroquinolones wogle nie powinny byc na tym swiecie, to jest najgorsza trucizna co czlowiek moze dostac. Ale pieniadze sa na niechturych wazniejsze niz zycie czlowieka. Smutne sprawy.

        Dzienki za zalecenie. Zycze ci szybkiego wrucenia do zdrowia. Trzymaj sie.

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  28. Sophie Bedos March 8, 2018 at 9:25 am Reply

    Dear Lucasz, I m sorry to hear you are still into this. I m not good as well. Floxed in August 2015 and dealing with so many issues. Severe hypoglycemias still continuing and now food allergies to everything. Don t know what to eat any longer. It has started one month ago. Crazy… a relapse! I m looking for an integrative centre, clinic somewhere in Europe.
    Our immune system seems to have gotten mad.
    Take care! Hugs!

    • Nat D March 8, 2018 at 5:03 pm Reply

      I have a similar experience to yours Lukasz. Such a nightmare since mid 2016. But things change and evolve over time. That’s so wired. But the psychotic part seems to have ended mostly after the first year. That was a real horror. I’m wondering if you’ve ever tried FMT? Like you, my issues seem to be gut related now. Food problems, blood sugar problems, absorbtion problems, weight, muscle. etc. I did my first diy fmt a month ago and felt great a day after. Got worse for the last month. Did another a couple days ago and not as good of results. But I still think it could be a key way to help this gut phase of the healing. Thoughts?

      • Lukasz April 1, 2018 at 12:33 pm Reply


        Sorry to hear about your experience. It’s a living nightmare to be sure.

        Never tried FMT. I’m mostly trying to avoid anything extreme. I’m trying to heal through the most natural, nature-intended methods. If it works for you though, I say keep at it.

        If you ask me, fixing leaky gut and adrenal fatigue is one of the most important aspects to making progress with this. A lot of problems seem to stem from these two ailments.

        I think we have to focus on one part and/or system of the body at a time and once we resolve that part/system, turn our focus and attention to the next damaged part/system.

        All the best.

    • Lukasz April 1, 2018 at 12:11 pm Reply


      Sorry to hear about your ordeal.

      No question, fluoroquinolones are brutal poisons. My guess is the chemists who designed and manufactured these drugs were going for as many kills as possible. Those of us who survived have a tough time ahead.

      Even so, staying alive is better than surrendering to this devil derived drug. I have no doubt that the demons who hand these drugs out will be adequately punished, if not in this lifetime, then the next.

      As for the food allergies, that’s part of the drug’s design. I also had the same issues. Fixing your leaky gut / adrenal fatigue is paramount. Once your stomach lining is stabilized, your immune system will soon follow suit.

      All the best to you.

  29. Cherise van niekerk March 9, 2018 at 8:56 am Reply

    Have you maybe looked at an entirely different root diet wise.. As in Low oxolates? Join Trying low oxolates on facebook. Fluoroquinolones kill the bacteria that degrades oxalates. Also look into histamine issues… Urghh floxxing.. Goodluck!!

    • Nathaniel Davauer March 9, 2018 at 10:56 am Reply

      Cherise, I think there’s something to that. I have low Oxalobacter formigenes via Ubiome tests. I’ve ordered a probiotic that’s made exclusively of that bacteria. Will see if that improves anything. I personally think you should be able to eat many things and if you can’t there’s something wrong with the gut (no surprise, put powerful abx in it). Restricting the diet is not the ideal solution, fixing the gut is. We all know that the vast majority of people can (even ourselves, before floxxing) eat most things. Even bad for you stuff. It’s the healthy biome that makes that possible. We should be able to tolerate many things if our biome is correct. My goal is not to live on a restricted diet with a broken biome, but to fix the biome and eat normally and even occasionally bad if I want to 🙂

      • Sarah Albelemi August 17, 2018 at 8:13 pm Reply

        Hi Nathaniel,

        Could you please let me know what is the probiotics you are taking?

        Thank you

        • Nathaniel August 18, 2018 at 6:16 am

          I’m doing FMT. Fecal matter transplant. Repopulating the gut bacteria with a donors healthy gut bacteria. The ultimate probiotic imo. is the best place to learn how to diy. Or Taymount clinic. Expensive but maybe more reliable

    • Lukasz April 1, 2018 at 12:39 pm Reply

      Thanks for the insight.

  30. Nathaniel Davauer March 9, 2018 at 11:01 am Reply

    Sophie, have you tried eating a lot of sugar? I know it’s not what most people recommend, but it’s only after trial after trial that I swear I’m better with high sugar. It makes me think my cells which are already compromised turning glucose into energy need extra glucose. I have no idea if this is correct, but if you have impaired glucose, it’s worth seeing if more sugar will give your cells more glucose to work with. We all restrict our sugar as it’s bad for the biome diversity which is true, but some of use clearly have impaired metabolism and energy production. Maybe the pancreas is broken, I don’t know. Just a thought as I keep running into this as I restrict sugar and do no better then get some sugar and find I feel better.

    • Lukasz April 1, 2018 at 12:52 pm Reply


      That’s an interesting observation. I’ve done similar sugar-related experiments on my body and had similar results as you. I felt much improved after consuming a decent amount of sugar throughout the day as opposed to days when I didn’t. You could be on to something there.

      The problem is that it’s been well-documented how bad sugar is for us. That is leads to all kinds of diseases and ailments. Therefore, it’s really hard to decide whether to implement sugar into our diets or leave it out all together. Maybe in moderation? I really don’t know anymore.

      Also, I wonder if a compromised/damaged pancreas can repair itself over time?

  31. Lukasz May 14, 2018 at 4:18 pm Reply

    I’ve been meaning to upload this for a while. Hope it’s of assistance to those of you who continue to endure the symptoms of leaky gut and/or adrenal fatigue.

    Healing Leaky Gut Webinar – Presented by Dr. Josh Axe:

  32. jennifer May 22, 2018 at 6:03 am Reply

    Hey Lukasc…I hv had similar…trying to upgrade brain’s quantity of one of it’s naturally made chemicals gamma amino butyric acid GABA for short may help with anxiety creativity and sleep and muscle tenseness. It is a supplement and not the pharmaceutical gaba pentin doctor’s drug the elderly with. Also 2 mg of melatonin under the tongue on bad nights when I can’t get tired is useful. Full nights sleep is sooo important for healing.Also the supplement to boost ascetyl choline in brain for relaxed creativity is choline inositol…try reading The Edge Effect by Eric Braverman md…helped me understand what I might do to regain brain back.

    • Lukasz May 26, 2018 at 7:05 pm Reply

      Thanks for this info, Jennifer. Very useful for those of us who continue to have problems with anxiety and sleep. I’m currently compiling a list of what works and what doesn’t work so that I know what to continue with and what to put aside. Any recommendations for dosages on the GABA and Choline Inositol front? The GABA supplement should be taken short-term only? If so, for how long a duration? And the Choline Inositol, long-term or short-term?

      • Drika June 1, 2018 at 8:55 am Reply

        So how Is everyone doing? I’ve been following this thread and I am really scared. I took levaquin last month and Im having similar problems

        • Lukasz June 4, 2018 at 9:29 am


          Sorry to hear the news. Absolutely criminal that these poisons are still being given out.

          So far what’s helped me the most is Ubiquinol, which is an active form of CoQ10 and the most absorbable. I took it for 2 months and have seen many positive results from it.

          I’m currently taking PQQ-10, which also contains Coenzyme Q10 (ubiquinone) but in higher dose with added BioPQQ and Vitamin E. On top of that, I’m taking Cardio Mag 2.0 which contains Magnesium Orotate, Elemental Magnesium and Orotic Acid.

          It’s only been a few days with the above noted supplements so it’s too early to tell but so far so good. Feel free to research these supplements further. They may help you out.

  33. Fran June 5, 2018 at 1:34 pm Reply

    Sounds like quackery. A blood test cannot be used for H pylori and the treatment of a H pylori Ulcer includes more than clarithromycin SR 1000 mg. Sounds like you need better medical care, instead of blaming the pharmaceutical industry. I work in the US and not afflilated with the pharmacy industry. Also the ear drops are for swimmers ear and the eyes. I did see you mention swimming prior to ear infection.

    As for your concentration, I couldn’t write this long, concise, and narrated publication with a concentration problem. Just saying…

    • L June 5, 2018 at 2:07 pm Reply

      First of all, apparently there ARE blood tests for this:

      Second, PLEASE do not use the word quackery here. This is a term that medical establishment and big pharma has thrown around for decades to try to demean and discredit natural health care practitioners and natural cures. You may not be affiliated with big pharma but I suspect you are much more involved with the AMA/big pharma/FDA cabal than you let on

    • Lukasz June 6, 2018 at 7:22 pm Reply


      I was going to take you to task re: the word quackery, but it seems L beat me to it. Anybody who uses this term is most definitely affiliated with the conventional medical establishment, even if you, as you say, are not affiliated with the pharmaceutical industry. The mere fact that you took time out of your day to read my entire story and scrutinize certain details tells me that you either have a lot of time on your hands or have come here to defend the poisoners of our world. If it’s the latter, that’s a pretty evil act in itself.

      A blood test was, in fact, used for my diagnosis of h. pylori. If you don’t believe me, I have a copy of the result. I’m more than happy to share it with you.

      In regards to the treatment, I was prescribed a trio of drugs for the eradication of h. pylori:

      1. Clarithromycin (Sandoz 250mg tablets – x2 twice daily)
      2. Metronidazole (AAP 500mg capsules – x1 twice daily)
      3. Pantoprazole Magnesium (Tecta 40mg tablets – x1 twice daily)

      The Ciprofloxacin was prescribed at a later date. It was not, as you suggest, for swimmer’s ear. It was prescribed by the doc as a result of her assistant causing internal bleeding in one of my ears. She punctured it using a syringe and called the doctor in for assessment. That’s how I came to receive Cipro. Had nothing to do with swimmer’s ear but medical negligence.

      As for being able to write a long, concise and narrated publication, my brain, although severely damaged and impacted by the above stated drugs, was still functioning to some degree. This account was written a year after the onset of symptoms therefore why wouldn’t I be able to do a write-up such as this? It’s not like I was completely brain dead, though I wasn’t far off.

      So yes, believe it or not, this was written by me. And believe it or not, my brain (and body) still hasn’t recovered from these brutal drugs. Just saying…

      • L June 6, 2018 at 7:27 pm Reply

        Well said. Although someone who makes a statement that a blood test cannot be used for H pylori is just making stuff up. We had a troll on here for several years who kept changing her (his?) name. Perhaps this is that person. Very sad to have such an empty life that you have to stalk out a site where people have been badly injured….just to try to discredit them

  34. Lukasz June 7, 2018 at 2:35 pm Reply

    I was thinking the same thing. This person is trying to sound credible yet he/she doesn’t know that a blood test exists for diagnosis of h. pylori. Then this same person goes on to question my concentration abilities. How would he/she even know what my state of mind is at any point in time? Just because I’ve been poisoned doesn’t mean I can’t write or form a thought in my head. As you said, it’s pretty low to come onto this site and attempt to start a probe without having all the facts.

    How are you feeling these days? Honestly speaking, I’m in pretty bad shape, both mentally and physically. Are you having an easier time?

    • L June 7, 2018 at 2:43 pm Reply

      well, I feel like I am almost back to normal, then I get knocked down again. Had some recent eye scares…and now a section of my eye is peeling away from the vitreous. Have to have it checked again I 4 months. I hope I don’t need surgery because then there will surely be antibiotics. The other most troubling thing now is nonstop post nasal drip…which, if it was just thank would be tolerable but then it drops into my throat and then chest, and some nights I am up literally ALL night trying, unsuccessfully to cough it up. The next day I’m not only tired, but my throat and lungs are sore. I am on SO many supplements. Just as I had started to pare down. I have found natural things that help for asthma (NAC, serrapeptase, MSM and black seed oil, if anyone is interested) but this, I can find nothing. I think it was from mast cell damage. Going to start allergy drops next week (like shots but works more quickly and you administer at home. Hey, it’s only more money! I could put a downpayment on a house with what I’ve spent.)

      • Lukasz June 7, 2018 at 4:55 pm Reply

        Bummer. You have my empathy.

        Is your vision impacted by all this? I know you had floaters before. Are they gone now? I hope all will turn out ok with your eyes. Re: post nasal drip, this was one of my original symptoms and I continue to have it to this day. I know what you mean, it’s very bothersome. You constantly have to clear your throat passage and the lungs never feel right. In the early days, it was so bad that it was running out my nose on a daily basis. I even had BLACK BLOOD coming out of my nose. It was scary as hell. If you find anything to ease this blockage, please let me know.

        Are you taking anything for sleep? That’s another issue on its own. Wish I could sleep like I used to. You’re right though, when we don’t get enough sleep, or any at all, how are we suppose to function the next day? It’s damn impossible.

        Sometimes less is better and in the case of supplements, I’m starting to realize that my body doesn’t tolerate A LOT of supplements. I think our bodies try to communicate this to us but we’re so focused on finding the miracle pill that will skyrocket us back to health that we often ignore the signals that our bodies are sending. This has been the case with me. Perhaps you too need to scale back on the supplements and give your body a much needed break. You can always start them back up if you start to feel worse without them. If you ask me, it’s all about balance.

        I hear you on the spending front. These ADRs have bankrupted me. Supplements, treatments, therapies, etc. I’ve had to leave work behind on THREE different occasions now due to worsening symptoms. As I write this, I’m jobless, behind on rent for the first time in my life, and not having any luck as far as job prospects are concerned.

        Have you been able to return to work? I know you were hoping to return to acting on a part-time basis. Any luck with that?

        • L June 7, 2018 at 5:14 pm

          I still have floaters but nowhere near as bad as they were. For the first year it was like looking through gauze, or an opaque shower curtain, and those little black dot floaters would literally cover entire walls. I remember going to a Costco warehouse with a friend who was helping me pick up a prescription for sleeping pills. (Note something I would recommend, but for me, gasping for every breath, it was the only way I could even get one hour of sleep—before I would jolt up, gasping for air. ) Anyhow I could barely shuffle along, and I remember looking down at this vast white floor and it was just covered with small black dots as far as I could see. I just burst out crying, in the middle of the store. (That happened a lot!)

          These days, that is much improved, but I still have some especially in one eye. While not as vision blocking, it is incredibly annoying. I also early on had such severe light sensitivity it actually hurt to go outside. That is much improved as well, but still more in one eye than the other…and still have problems under fluorescent lighting. Mostly I am concerned about the more serious possibilities they are keeping tabs on.

          Black blood? Yikes! That must have been scary. So far what has helped to at least thin it is serrapeptase and NAC….to help cough it out, although even those don’t even work enough. but nothing to get it to go away. I am even starting allergy drops in the hopes that will help. I had allergy shots years ago and it really helped with asthma. Not sure if it will help with this, and I won’t see any improvement for at least 6 months anyway. And of course none of this is good for an actor! I was able to do a show over the holidays although I was having severe breathing problems (not asthma) and I am afraid perhaps it was a relapse. As for work, that is my work, when I can get cast….difficult enough under normal circumstances! Other things I could do are really inhibited by the problems I have with fluorescent lighting.

          As for sleep, I slept ZERO hours for the first couple weeks and then again, because I was struggling so much to breathe, I did go on ambien, so I could get even 1 or 2 hours sleep. Once I got to where I was getting 6 hours, I started to wean off…I did that over a two week period…not because I thought I needed to, but I thought I could trick my body. It seems to have worked. I was on the pills for around 2-3 months, and once I stopped, I was ok. These days I usually sleep 7 or 8 hours. There are some nights where I have insomnia, and don’t sleep at all…or maybe 3 hours. But I would say that is maybe once every couple weeks.

          Yes, I think you are right re scaling back on supplements. I just feel so desperate. And some I really cannot stop, like the eye vitamins, ubiquinol, D and a couple other. But I try to remove the others that don’t seem to make a big difference after a couple weeks.

          I hope you are able to find work soon! This all sucks on so many levels.

        • Lukasz June 9, 2018 at 7:12 pm

          Terrible stuff re: the eye problems. I used to have 20/20 vision and crystal clear field of view up until the ADRs and have since had similar issues to yours. My vision has never returned to what it once was which is pretty devastating considering that it takes away from quality of life. Like you, I also had and continue to have light sensitivity which also makes life difficult. Even to this day, my vision tends to go blurry every now and then. It’s unreal that this can even happen.

          Really sorry to hear about you not being able to work due to fluorescent lighting. I’m not sure about you but I’ve received ZERO help from the Canadian government. I can’t even find a doctor who would be willing to fill out the paperwork for a disability claim. None of them want to acknowledge that someone in their profession screwed up so I’m left broke and housebound. I imagine quite a few people on this site have a similar predicament. It’s hard to stay hopeful amid all this.

          Do the eye vitamins make a difference for you? Which supplement(s) are helping you the most?

        • L June 9, 2018 at 9:03 pm

          Yeah, there is no help here from anyone. Early on a friend set up a go fund me site, and I was mortified, but I ended up being very grateful, even though it only paid a fraction.

          The eye vitamins I take were recommended by the first retinal specialist, since I now have both early stage cataracts and early stage macular degeneration…both linked to Cipro although the doctor says it is just age related. They NEVER admit to it. Anyhow, what was recommended was something called AREDS 2 by Preservision. I started on that and then I switched to one by BlueBonnet which has a bit more and less other additives. They have antioxidants, lutein, xeanthinin and other stuff that is good for the macula. I don’t notice any difference, but it is to help (hopefully) ward off the macular degeneration.

          One thing that did seem to help was the floaters was NAC eyedrops (Can-C is one brand.) It is really for cataracts (didn’t seem to help with that!) but I had read they also are used for floaters, and my floaters are much improved, after diligently using it 4xday for a year. I still have some floaters (more in one eye) but as I mentioned, for the first year it was like looking through gauze.

          Yeah, I am so angry about the eyes (well everything) but I have always been rather phobic about my eyes. I had very bad vision and then got radial keratotomy (the precursor to Lasik) about 20 years ago and my vision was great—both near and far. Rarely wore reading glasses. Now they are on most of the day. Vision in one eye went from 20/20 to 20/60 literally overnight.

          I think there are thousands and thousands of people who have been devastated mentally, physically AND financially. Back a few years ago during the hearings at the FDA safety subcommittee, one speaker talked about the collateral damage of all this…careers upended, marriages ended, homes lost….

        • Lukasz June 11, 2018 at 12:28 pm

          That’s really nice of your friend to setup that funding page on your behalf. Even if it only covered a fraction of the expenses incurred, it goes to show that there are still some good people left in the world.

          Thanks for the info re: the eyes. It’s good to know about these things in the event that things get worse with my vision. Heck, I’d add it to my arsenal now but my finances won’t allow for it. I do hope that your eyes are able to hold up for as long as possible.

          All this is very taxing on the mental, psychical and as you said, financial side of things. You really have to fight each day and getting through it is no easy feat. I agree with that speaker. The collateral damage to people’s lives is enormous and in some cases, catastrophic. Tragedies happen in life but for those affected by this, it’s something you think about as soon as you wake up, throughout the entire day, and it’s the last thing you think about before you attempt to get some sleep. You want to forget this ever happened to you but you can’t. Perhaps some people can, but I believe the only way you can truly move on from all this is if you find a way to restore much of your health which obviously comes at a premium price. That’s what pisses me off. We’re stuck in this place where conventional doctors have no solutions for us because they’re the drug peddlers and the integrative docs, although well meaning, have their items to sell as well. And in the middle of all this, is the floxed person who is just trying to restore their health. It’s all a pyramid scheme. Pay up and we’ll try to fix you up or don’t pay up and enjoy the status quo.

          Wish I could find a time machine and travel back to October 2014.

        • L June 11, 2018 at 1:17 pm

          you and me both…feb 15, 2015….a day that will live on in my mind forever….

        • Lukasz June 11, 2018 at 1:12 pm

          Just to be clear, my view is that the same people who are responsible for the poisoning of an individual, are in turn, responsible for bringing forth the money required to restore that person back to health. Why isn’t there a universal funding system available to all those who have been severely impacted by these drugs? It should have been in place since the late 80s since that’s when the first reports of adverse drug reactions started to come in. Instead, these agencies want us to report our symptoms and reactions to them and after doing so, absolutely nothing is done to help those people who so badly need help. The cost of treatments and supplements should be paid up by those who cause the damage, not the person who goes to their doctor and leaves as a handicap.

        • L June 11, 2018 at 1:19 pm

          absolutely, but when you have the FDA working hand in hand with the criminals at big pharma, and all the politicians who have been bought by big pharma, that’ never going to happen. In fact, there have been thousands of lawsuits already…and is there a change by the manufacturers? Nope. They make SO much, that what they spend in settlements and jury verdicts is just the cost of doing business for them. It’s obscene.

        • Lukasz June 11, 2018 at 4:15 pm

          You’re right, they all sleep in the same bed. What’s interesting to me is that I keep hearing about all the lawsuits in the U.S. but I haven’t heard about any here in Canada. I myself tried to find a lawyer that would take on my case and could not find one anywhere. There was one out of province law firm which was taking client information for a future class action lawsuit but after submitting my info to them, I never heard back. I contacted them later on and they said they had no info on when and if any class action would go ahead. It’s all pretty hush up here in the north. Mind you, no settlement can ever take away the pain and suffering of the past 3 years 7 months.

        • L June 11, 2018 at 6:08 pm

          Sadly the class action ones take a very long time to resolve and the only real winners are usually the attorneys. The difficulty in most cases is proving causation. You know how hard it is to get doctors to admit that all this damage is from the flq. Then, I don’t know about Canada but here in the states and esp in CA, the laws favor the medical community and make it prohibitively expensive to even try a case, even if it’s a good one.

        • Nathaniel Davauer June 11, 2018 at 8:08 pm

          One positive note on this matter.. I tried to hire a prominent law firm here where I live and they wouldn’t take my case, but a friend of mine who was just recently floxed by Levaquin did get his case taken by the same law firm. It’s because he was RX’d it for sinusitis and it says right on the label not to do that. So they are taking it as a malpractice case. I believe this will help in the bigger picture because once real doctors start to loose real malpractice suits they will actually really consider each case closely when prescribing an FQ. This will bypass the drug companies and if they ever loose a law suit because if the Dr’s know they can personally loose a malpractice case they will change the way they RX these drugs. There will still be people who are floxed but much fewer because all the floxings from sinusitis and UTIs will start happening a lot less.

        • L June 11, 2018 at 8:35 pm

          Yes that is good that is one good thing to come from the fda hearings last year and the subsequent labeling. Glad this firm is taking your friends case and yes they are medical malpractice cases

        • Lukasz June 11, 2018 at 6:32 pm

          Yup, and that’s the reason why every lawyer I spoke to was hesitant to take on the case. I’m sure if it was a car accident or slip and fall, they would be all over it in an instant. Also, from speaking to these lawyers I got the sense that they don’t like to take on someone from the Big Boys Club. Lawyers and doctors are notorious for playing rounds of golf together and so taking a doctor to court is not something they favour.

        • L June 11, 2018 at 6:47 pm

          That’s why it is good to look outside your immediate area. I know here they ALL know each other.

        • Lukasz June 11, 2018 at 7:37 pm

          Good point but I’m afraid I don’t have any energy left to continue looking. Getting out of bed is hard enough.

        • L June 11, 2018 at 7:51 pm

          yeah…it takes a lot. I contacted over 90 and ended up filing it myself to meet the statute of limitations…something I would never recommend that anyone do. I had to learn on the fly, Although I had some legal training, it in no way prepared me for writing motions and arguing them in front of the judge, and meeting deadlines, and dealing with unethical defense attorneys. And I was so sick when I filed, I remember having to sit down on the floor at the court house while I waited in line. The only thing I can think of is…did you ever see the Canadian film on flq toxicity, from 16 x 9? you could go through and take down names of the speakers and contact them and ask if they are aware of any attorneys that might be able to help. However, you may have already missed your statute of limitations, depending on the province you are in. It might be only two years. (Here where I am, it is only one!) Not sure what the law is in Canada, but here in CA it is one year from the date of injury OR the date you discover the injuries were tied to the drug. Anyhow, here is the video I referred to

      • Madge hirsch September 7, 2018 at 1:20 pm Reply

        I get the post nasal drip too but it comes and goes. Breathing is worst in autumn . We live in a heavily wooded part of France and the mold spores from fallen leaves provoke a lot of mucous. I also get weeks at a time when I wake up with dried yellow mucous in my nose. Haven’t had this for a while but it always happens with a worsening of the rib pain so is part of the cycles. Cipro – the poisoned chalice that keeps on giving. I hope you can find something that helps with this. It’s such a drag when symptoms you thought were finished crop up again.

        • Nathaniel September 7, 2018 at 1:47 pm

          Lukasz, what is the rib pain you speak of? I get weird rib pain that I can’t seem to figure out what’s happening there. Lots of little purple inflamed vessels too. General redness like a sunburn.

        • Lukasz September 7, 2018 at 2:52 pm


          I haven’t experienced any rib pain. It’s Madge (comment above) that has.

        • L September 7, 2018 at 3:10 pm

          Thanks…yeah I thought “mold!” So did my doctor. But my landlord had a specialist come out and —nope. I have thought it was allergies, then silent reflux, maybe mast cell disorder. I am so sick of it. Going on 6 months now. Every time I think I can start getting my life back on track—BAM! And if it was JUST the post nasal drip, it would be ok. But the throat thing is ravaging my voice, which is critical to my work…and the asbsolute worst part is that when it drops into my chest, I am up all night, most nights of the week, coughing and coughing trying, unsuccessfully to get it out and I just can’t breathe. I’m using my rescue inhaler at 3 or 4 in the morning. Going through bottles of expectorant. Taking supplements by the dozens for suspected allergies and/or mast cell disorder. Continuing to spend a fortune. The only thing that has seemed to give me a little reprieve…for a couple days anyway was a Chinese Herbal medicine from my acupuncturist.. Just picked up more of that which I will try for a longer period.

  35. Tdk July 23, 2018 at 4:15 am Reply

    Which symptoms exactly did you get just after Clarithromycin and which joined after Cirpofloxacin? I never heard of clarithromycin toxicity, I used ear drops with Cipro.

    • Lukasz September 6, 2018 at 10:50 am Reply

      The best way of putting it is that the majority of musculoskeletal symptoms occurred after taking Clarithromycin, and the rest which were of psychiatric nature, occurred after taking Ciprofloxacin. First one affected the body and the second one affected the mind.

      Hope that clears it up for you.

  36. Azz August 2, 2018 at 1:55 am Reply

    It’s always good to read positive stories like yourself I have had terrible psychiatric symptoms and until now (a year later) it’s still ongoing. I feel like I may have been refloxed somehow because at month 9 I saw some improvement. Depression is the worst symptom for me I’ve been worrying lately that it will be permenant but yours wasn’t so mine shouldn’t either. I think this will be a very long ride but if I see any improvement I will feel far more positive.

    • Nathaniel August 2, 2018 at 6:32 am Reply

      I saw huge improvement for about 2 weeks 9 months out. Thought for sure that was the end. But then it got much worse again for the next year. I’ve desperately wondered what happened for those 2 weeks and why did it get better and what happened to make it worse. I will say though that the psychiatric problems have gotten much better in the last 6 months. They’re not permanent. Long and horrific yes, but you’ll get better. I think the time frame is more like 3 to 5 years for severely floxed. The flox report does a good job imo of being realistic with the timeline. I think I’m turning a corner at 2 years and hope to see slow recovery for the next 2 years. Maybes a 4 year journey with a few permanent physical problems. But that’s far from my “whole life.” Hang in there when the depression, that will absolutely get better.

      • Azz August 3, 2018 at 1:55 am Reply

        Thanks for your response, it’s been so long being depressed and with all the other symptoms now I find it hard to imagine I could ever make a turnaround, but I have to say of all the stories I have read yours is almost identical to my own. I really hope I can follow the same path, your words really do give me some encouragement I guess patience is our biggest friend. I have to say it’s also great you respond to people most other get better and forget the nightmare ever existed while those currently suffering get no responses, for sure I will continue to offer support like you.

        • Nathaniel Davauer August 3, 2018 at 6:27 am

          Some things I used to battle the depression was music and audiobooks/podcasts. Meditation and mantras. It seems music uses a different part of the brain. There was a time when the only way I could feel anything was through music. Nothing big, just a feeling of enjoyment. I didn’t even realize it until looking back but music was able to reach through before other things were. I’m not specifically religious but I’d go to church for the music. It’s the perfect place for meditation. And after thinking about out, I think religion is mediation. They’re both eliciting the exact same PNS response. Organized religion just has the experience packaged so you don’t have to do all the work to get yourself in a meditative position. Audiobooks can be days long. I listed to some scifi series that weren’t even that good but each book was like 36 hours of listening. With probably 5 installments that was a couple weeks of just zoned out listening. That was a good way to get through the days. Podcasts too.
          I have kids, not sure if you do but just thinking about them and repeating their names for hours got me through the worst times at night. Just focusing on something valuable other than me. A reason to survive the night.

          I use metaphors a lot now too. #1, I was in an accident. recovering from a serious accident and all the life changing things that entails. #2, I’m on a journey across the ocean in a small boat. Weather, sharks, dehydration, hunger, fatigue, being lost, going crazy… all the things that would actually happen on a journey like that kinda happen with this. But I picture that if you just stay afloat you could potentially make it to the other side. And if you make it, you survived! #3 I’m a POW. Like being stranded at sea, a POW also probably goes through much of the same. Pain, depression, hopelessness, injury, suicidal ideation, malnourishment but if they just hold on, there’s a chance they’ll be free one day. Maybe they’ll endure the suffering for years, but if they’re rescued, they’re free! I just imagine I’m a POW and someday I’ll be free again. #4 prison. Like a POW but more structured. Like I’m doing time. Each day is spent doing what I’m capable of doing “while on the inside” just waiting until the release date. Again, might be years but someday you’ll be back “on the outside” and free to live normally again. Most of the metaphors just help me deal with the time. Just trying to find a way to make the idea of this lasting years be acceptable in some way.

          Lukasz, for you and anyone else. It seems you’re still suffering from malnourishment and gut issues. If you haven’t tried FMT, I’d highly recommend it. So many of my issues seem to be stemming from the gut and clearly the abx do the worst damage to all living things there. Probiotics aren’t the same. They’re nowhere near the right amount and combination for the human gut. And yogurt, kombucha etc is not the human gut. We’re filled with human poop since birth, not yogurt or even raw cow’s milk. Human breast milk would have the correct human bacteria in it, but human poop is really THE probiotic. It’s the thing we took decades to build and was wiped out in a few days. Yogurt or probiotics is not the same as decades of bacteria. IMHO, the only way to regain this is FMT. I went to Taymount in the UK and have seen my biggest gains in the last two months. I can tell things change for sure each time. I’m not healed, but I feel like FMT is a way to make serious progress on getting the biome back. Let me know if you have questions about it.

        • Azz August 4, 2018 at 8:19 pm

          Thanks for the advice they’re good suggestions, I really need to tell myself I will recover eventually as well. I hit the year mark today and I look at myself before the difference is pretty shocking looks like I’ve aged at least 15 years from the last picture. What you sad about music is completely trueI’ve noticed that as well. Did you ever try MitoQ? I feel like it could have been a mistake but I don’t know how it could have affected me badly. I’m one year into my five year sentence 😀

        • Nathaniel August 4, 2018 at 8:46 pm

          I have mitoq sitting on the counter but I haven’t taken one yet because I’m worried. Maybe rightly so. What happened?

        • Azz August 4, 2018 at 9:02 pm

          Just a sick feeling in my head like a bad flew which I’ve had for the last year anyway but this is worse, I took it last year with no side effects. Who knows maybe it just another wave, still I wonder how it could be bad I’ve never read of anyone else having a bad reaction to it.

        • Lukasz September 6, 2018 at 11:47 am


          I’m taking a Ubiquinol supplement and having a similar reaction. Took it before with no issues and now it seems to be making me a bit spaced out, dizzy or whatnot. I wonder if I hadn’t accidentally spoiled it because first it was in a hot shelf during the summer heatwave and then I transferred it to the basement where the temperature difference was significant. I keep wondering if this may have altered the effects. Perhaps yours may have suffered a similar fate and caused a similar occurrence? Or do you keep your supplements in a room temperature setting (as should be the case with all meds and/or supplements)? As you said though, it’s hard to tell whether this is just another wave or negative reaction to the supplement.

          What is the situation with this at present?

        • Lukasz September 6, 2018 at 12:27 pm


          Thanks for sharing your survival tips and strategies with us. You seem to have the right attitude for this battle. With so many of us enduring a distorted perception of reality on a daily basis, your tips and strategies serve as a lifeline to remind us that all is not lost and that we must keep fighting to see another day.

          I especially appreciated you sharing your metaphors with us. They are absolutely top class for those of us who want to put a different spin on our situation. A friend of mine used a similar metaphor and urged me to keep swimming until I reach the other end of the shore. He believes I’m caught up in a storm.

          Likewise, your metaphors serve to remind us that there is light at the end of the tunnel. In order to reach this light, we have to go through the darkness and we must not let anything hinder us from reaching that light.

          As for FMT, I don’t know a whole lot about it but what you’re saying makes a lot of sense. As you said, it’s flora that is closest to human strains that will bring balance back to the gut. Without this balance, we will always be subject to disease/illness since it is the beneficial bacteria that keep us in a state of good health. Have you undertaken more treatments since? How are the results?

        • Lukasz September 6, 2018 at 12:56 pm

          Glenn Taylor of the Taymount Clinic discussing Fecal Microbiota Transplants (FMT):

        • Nathaniel Davauer September 6, 2018 at 5:07 pm

          I’ve done 6 FMT implants since getting back from Taymount. They are the ones they sent with me when I left. I felt very sick shortly after finishing treatment in June. Passed a kidney stone which wasn’t from Taymount treatment as they take months to form, but may very well have been from gut dysbiosis.

          I was low in Oxalobactor F I remember for a stool test so have been running low on it for over a year and low and behold I get a Calcium oxalate stone.

          Anyway, then there was a month or so of clear improvement. Totally normal stools for the first time in 2 years. More energy, less depression. Slipped back though and then started the home implants. About one every 2 or 3 weeks. Each time I’d feel better within a couple days of the implant. And I’d have normal stools. But then I’d slip back over the next couple weeks. Then I’d do another implant. So on for 6 implants.

          One thing I have seen happen though is my thrush and geographic tongue are gone. I have many pictures of the weird stuff that happened with my tongue and usually represented feeling worse in every other way when my tongue had circles and sores on it. I’ve believed I’ve had a fungal imbalance since before this all happened. Triggered an appendectomy in MX which the abx Keflex caused dysbiosis which lead to colitis which was treated with Cipro/flaygl and that’s when the shit hit the fan. Anyway, my point is, there is a deep seeded fungal imbalance I think and FMT has most definitely addressed it.

          So after the the 6th and most recent implant, I felt the best reaction I have in a while. I don’t even know how to say it exactly. I want to say “I’m recovering! I’m feeling better!” but I’ve been burned too many times to say that out loud and believe too strongly in it. I do feel optimistic though. I’m still in pain, dizzy, lethargic, sleeping poorly etc. but in the same way that something else was wrong that I couldn’t put my finger on, that something now feels better. Maybe it’s the depression, maybe derealization not sure how to quantify those things when they’re wrong, but in the same way, I can’t quantify them when they’re feeling right. Like, I can be a little funnier, I don’t mind laughing at funny things, I almost look forward to the idea of hanging out with people and having a good time. All of those things were impossible before and I couldn’t explain why exactly. I don’t know if this last FMT helped but it sure feels like it. Stool has reflected it as well. Solid, smells right. I know that serotonin and GABA are made in the gut and I know for a fact GABA dysfunction is a big part of my problems and low serotonin is probably responsible for mood problems too. I truly believe the gut is where the healing process has to start but it takes a long time to rebuild the colonies of trillions of bacteria that synthesize things like GABA. These colonies are probably also responsible for the correct absorption of nutrition that will stop the weight loss and rebuild collagen and muscle.

          So in a nutshell I’ve done 3 DIY FMTs in March/april (my kids as donors) and 9 Taymount implants in the UK in May and 6 Taymount implants here since June. So 18 total over 7 months. But the main focus has been 15 from Taymount over 3.5 months. They say they don’t even check for real results until 3 months as it takes time to alter, feed and grow a new biome. I was skeptical because of all the ups and downs but if I look at it from before Taymount till now, it’s really a big improvement. It’s the intangible positive feeling that is the most hopeful part. That could very well just be serotonin being made again and my brain getting some long needed serotonin.

          Taymount wants you to eat a diet that feeds your biome, not just you. “you’re eating for two” they say. So I’ve tried to eat pretty clean but diverse. Trying to to restrict things because there may be new bugs in me that need different things and if I don’t eat them, they’ll die off. I’ve learned that sugar as far as I can tell is not deadly for me. I think it helps. I eat a chocolate chip cookie every morning. It’s my favorite part of the day. The psychological benefit of it is worth more to me than freaking out about sugar all the time. And I never feel worse after but almost always feel better with more sugar. I eat bread but not a ton. My main food is a crock pot of chicken (abx free of course) and broccoli, cauliflower, onions, carrots and green beans. I make it one day and eat it for 4 days and repeat. 3 or 4 meals a day of the crock pot stew and then a few things here and there. Cookie, chips etc. I am staying away from things with oxalates after I learned about the kidney stone connection above. Maybe it’s the low oxalate diet that’s helped? I’ve also installed a RO water filter in my house and only drink water from that. No for flourinated water ever. Maybe that’s helped too. I’ve done all those things in the last few weeks which is when I’ve been feeling better. But FMT feels like the beginning of this recovery curve. There’s still plenty of misery for me and I’ve been up before only to crash down but I’m trying to stay positive. I think of my metaphors above and also the idea that recovery comes in “windows and waves.” so when I’m feeling better I imagine the wave or that I’m getting a glimpse out a window. It may go away or the wave may pass but others will keep coming.

          Hang in there everyone. Let me know if you have any other questions about FMT. I was reluctant to do it for a year and which I would have now the day after I took Cipro. It’s not hard or weird. Pretty easy and simple.

        • Lukasz September 7, 2018 at 2:46 pm

          Thanks for sharing Nathaniel. It goes to show that Hippocrates was right when he said “All disease begins in the gut.” No gut health, no health. Period.

      • CB August 20, 2018 at 3:55 pm Reply


        How well did you handle the preparation for the FMT at Taymount?

        I am scared of having a reaction to stool softeners and I’m also concerned that the colonic lavage removes good bacteria.


        • Nathaniel August 21, 2018 at 6:17 am

          I seemed to handle it ok. The colonics had an effect on symptoms but more necessarily bad. Justin like probiotics.. they have an effect but it’s not exactly good or had. But I can tell the gut isn’t right. The fight couple weeks street Taymount I felt sick. I think it was the war going on in my gut. The next few after that though was good. First completely normal stools in 2 years. Now I’ve backslid in the last month so I think i will order more from Taymount and keep going. I think there is hope that it can help a lot of you can get it to colonize.

        • L August 21, 2018 at 8:57 am

          You might also want to look into something called Restore by Biomic Sciences. (Restore4life on facebook)

        • CB August 22, 2018 at 10:37 am


          Were you able to identify which bacteria you were missing before the FMT? I seem to have very little butyrate bacteria. I am missing important species such as faecalibacterium, roseburia, akkermansia, coprococcus and others.

          I’ve had some mild improvement with Golden Green’s organic inulin so maybe I have some butyrate species remaining. I also found abstaining from any sexual activity for at least 2 weeks gives me significant improvements in my symptoms so I guess that is a big trigger for me.

        • Nathaniel August 22, 2018 at 10:56 am

          Interesting. I think we’re missing lots of things but exact science on the microbiome is lacking. That’s why I don’t think most of probiotics are reliable. Seem to be just shots in the dark. FMT is the best because it is the correct microbiome blend whether you know what’s in it or not. I showed some are low but again, they don’t know each does exactly. I beehive oxalabacter (?) Was low. Maybe why I got a kidney stone made of calcium oxalate recently. Trying to not eat oxalates now. But still.. knowing is irrelavant with FMT. Just trying to reboot it with the correct human microbiome.

        • Azz August 24, 2018 at 4:34 am

          Have you tried taking liposomal glutathione? I just had a blood test today that showed a huge amount of toxicities and oxidative stress.

        • Nathaniel August 24, 2018 at 6:35 am

          I tried that early on. But it seems like most things make me feel worse. There’s a lot of negative experiences with glutathione and I don’t want to risk that.

        • Azz August 24, 2018 at 9:07 am

          I’ve taken it today, just out of desperation. But I won’t do IV like you I’ve also reacted badly to nearly everything I’ve tried even b12! Hopefully this won’t be a regret. Did you find any supplement that helped with your depression? I’m really struggling with it.

        • Nathaniel August 24, 2018 at 9:59 am

          Maybe LDN helped with mood. But made me wake very early and I think increased palpitations. I feel like FMT helps mood but that can be hard to execute consistently and if course everyone responds different. I still am committed to gut healing through FMT though. Most psychiatric problems seem to get better with time. I listen to meditations, watch funny movies, audiobooks, podcasts.. anything I like(d) and then just wait.

        • Azz August 24, 2018 at 9:16 pm

          I hope I can have the same improvement, funnily enough my physical symptoms have improved. How did glutathione make you feel worse? I’m interested in how it hurts some people as I’m obviously very low in it. I’m currently taking probiotics but I’ll look into your strategy as well.

        • Nathaniel August 27, 2018 at 2:18 pm

          I don’t remember exactly how it made me feel. Worse. Maybe herx? Have never been able to know for sure if herx is really happening. Just made my head worse. Pressure, dizziness, headaches, confusion. I stopped keeping a journal after a year though. Seems like I always felt worse after supplements in general. Nad etc.

        • Azz August 27, 2018 at 3:53 pm

          Your right it did affect me negatively..everything I try has also given me a negative reaction, but at least I gave it a try I guess. I hope now I can recover from this yet another setback. Its not permeneant right?

        • Nathaniel August 27, 2018 at 4:13 pm

          What’s wired is that it seems nothing is permanent. Things get better and worse. Things go away right when new things start. That’s the craziest thing about this whole experience. Nobody would believe it. I wouldn’t have believed it myself. Just wait 3 months and whatever is worst will probably be better although there might be something to take it’s place. Just endure. This too shall pass.

        • Lukasz September 6, 2018 at 2:03 pm

          Well said. I might have to print this and paste it on my wall.

        • Nathaniel Davauer September 6, 2018 at 5:13 pm

          The colonics were much weirder than the actual FMT process. I noticed a change in how I felt after them. I didn’t necessarily feel better but it reinforced the idea that many of my symptoms originated from gut problems. I wouldn’t worry about a bad reaction from the colon cleanse because they goal is to get the good bacteria in there. Even they will cause a reaction at first. I was sick for a few weeks and I could almost tell it was from the battle going on inside.

      • Azz September 7, 2018 at 8:26 pm Reply

        I get the rip pain as well or just below the upper right quadrant of the abdominal. I believe the purple dots are related to blood vessels. it could be vasoconstriction that’s causing all of our symptoms after all that’s why hyperbaric oxygen or the other therapies help so much . At least momentarily.

        • Nathaniel September 16, 2018 at 10:18 am

          I learned you’re in Toronto. I’ve been looking for someone there who would be willing to do me a favor. Can I pm you somehow? Or get you my email? Thanks in advance

        • Lukasz September 17, 2018 at 12:49 pm

          Sure. What’s your e-mail?

        • Nathaniel September 17, 2018 at 4:17 pm


          Thank you

        • Nathaniel September 18, 2018 at 10:01 am

          Did you send an email? Just let me when you do in case it went to spam. Thanks

        • Lukasz September 23, 2018 at 10:33 am

          Yes, I did.

  37. Sarah Albelemi August 5, 2018 at 9:20 am Reply

    Hi everyone!

    I was one of the people who were effected badly by taking a day course of Clarithromycin.
    Since the first day I experinced horrible side effects. The first day I felt I was having a heart attack and that continued to the second day along with insomnia. I really thought I was dying. The third day I had horrible and painful spasms on my shoulder. The foruth day I started getting an eczema like spot on my neck that was very itchy. After that I started feeling better but I could feel something was not right and depression was creeping in.

    After finishing the course most of my sympotms were gone but I was feeling slightly depressed and had shortness of breath and I was feeling very agitated and anxious, like it was hard to sit still and I would only feel better if I am working or doing something.

    Around 3 months later is when everything started coming back. The eczema like spot started itching again and it spread to my face and body and had these dry itchy patches all very my face. Then the anxiety and inosmina started kicking in .. I just couldn’t sleep whenever I try to sleep I keep hearing my heart beating and when I am just about to fall asleep I feel like drowning and wake up panicked.

    After that I started having mild panic attacks .. I went to see a doctor and of course told me it was all in my brain and gave me Dogmatil 100 mg a day for 2 weeks which helped and made me feel almost noarmal.
    A few days after I was done with Dogmatil. I got my first horrible panic attack that lasted all night long. I was feeling panicky all day .. I am not sure if that can be considered panic attacks since I have it for so long it could last for days.. it could be just severe anxiety. I would wake up suddenly from my sleep with a panic attack.

    I forgot to mention that I had a few health issues before I took Clarithromycin. I had chronic shortness of breath which only recently I found out it’s because of hiatal hernia:) . I had chronic coughing which also later I found out it was post nasal drip 🙂 the post nasal drip would mimic asthma or sinus infection or bronchitis which is why the doctors kept prescribing me antibitotics. I took Clarithromycin for a sinus infection which later I found out was only post nasal drip.

    The depression and anxiety was so severe that I would feel dizzy and out of breath if I watch the news and they are talking about war somewhere far away from me! I would feel the same if I watch a sad scene from a movie! It felt like I cant walk on my legs because they were so numb.

    I couldn’t function so I was prescribed antidepressants which I am still on up to date. And they did help but I Don’t want to depend on them my whole life.

    I live in Saudi Arabia and it’s very difficult to find naturopath to ask for help. In the past there were a few ayruvedic clinics here and it performed miracles for people and my mom was one of the people who was cured from IBS, inflammation and various infections through ayruvedic medicine. She always says she felt like new person after the treatment. However, now they are banned from practicing their medicine. Very unfortunate.

    So I started a journey to heal and get rid of all my health issues so I wouldn’t have to be on antibitotics ever again.

    Here is a few things that might help you:

    – vitamin B12 helped me with the shortness of breath that I experineced after the antibitotics

    – I took probiotics which helped me very much in curing my itchy dry patches and they are gone now 😀
    -The probitoics helped my immune system and post nasal drip. So I wasn’t getting sick as often.

    – Neti pot was what helped me the most with my post nasal drip. They are very mild now and rare. I don’t get sinus infections anymore it asthma like symptoms. When I get the flu or cold I make sure I use my neti pot to cleanse me nose.

    As for my depression and anxiety I am still struggling to find a cure for them but I think taking Spirulina has helped a little.

    I hope everybody fully recovers soon.

    • Annie August 10, 2018 at 12:20 am Reply

      Hi Sarah, Ive been through a very similar experience to you with clarithromycin. I am interested how long it has been for you now? I have tried twice now to come off antidepressents but the anxiety, depression and panic attacks come straight back. I really dont want to be on them forever..

      • Lukasz September 6, 2018 at 4:06 pm Reply


        As mentioned, try Turmeric with 95% Curcuminoids. It may help you out with this issue.

    • Lukasz September 6, 2018 at 3:34 pm Reply

      Hi Sarah,

      That’s Clarithromycin for you. Just as devastating to health as Cipro is. Interestingly enough, my symptoms from this drug had also subsided for awhile, 3 months in fact, before a bomb went off in my body. After that, it was all the symptoms you described and more. Thought for sure I was finished.

      Can’t believe they closed down all the ayruvedic clinics. Such a shame considering that your mom was essentially healed by their services. How is she doing now? Still recovered? I hope other alternative medicine practitioners will setup shop and be allowed to help people who don’t want anything to do with allopathic medicine.

      I’m glad you’ve made a lot of progress with natural supplements. How are you doing of late?

  38. Sarah Albelemi August 17, 2018 at 11:40 am Reply

    Hi, Annie
    It’s been a little over 3 years now and I can’t be off the antidepressants yet. The anxiety is very severe and uncontrollable. I have been trying every supplement I hear about but nothing seems to fix the problem. I am just afraid that the damage is permenant and I hope and pray it’s not and that our amazing bodies can get rid of this with time and good nutrition.

    Let me know what have you been doing and taking to try to heal.

    • Lukasz September 6, 2018 at 3:55 pm Reply

      Have you tried Turmeric with 95% Curcuminoids for the depression/anxiety? I’m almost certain it has taken away my depressive/anxious episodes which plagued me on a nearly daily basis.

      L., a regular poster on here, suggested I give it a try and I’m glad I did. She also wrote that there are studies that have proven Turmeric 95 to be as effective or in some cases, more effective than antidepressants.

      • Lukasz September 6, 2018 at 4:03 pm Reply

        What works for one person doesn’t necessarily work for another, but it’s worth trying.

      • L September 6, 2018 at 4:20 pm Reply

        That’s true! I was on antidepressants for DECADES and weaned off while I started taking turmeric, and never looked back. (and yes, you want the 95% curcumoids…not all supplements are created equal.) Also, it works better with the addition of piperine. Several studies out there. Here is one

  39. Lukasz September 5, 2018 at 5:23 pm Reply

    Hi folks,

    My kind sister-in-law has setup a Go Fund Me page to help raise money for Major Autohemotherapy treatment. I’ve been wanting to go ahead with Major Autohemotherapy but have been unable to do so because of the lack of funds. Unfortunately, I’m broke, unemployed and too sick to be employed at the moment. As many of you know, I tried to stay employed for as long as possible through this soon-to-be 4 year ordeal. This is no longer possible. I’m officially in the pits. I know many of you are as well, so forgive me if this request offends anyone.

    I’ve never been one to ask for money. I’ve worked my entire adult life but now I find myself in uncharted territory. I don’t want life to pass me by. I’ve lost plenty of it already.

    Major Autohemotherapy has helped a lot of people get their life back. It may or may not be the answer for me, but having tried nearly everything, it’s a risk I’m willing to take.

    If you would like to help me obtain the funds for this treatment (10 sessions), please visit the link below.

    As always, thank you Lisa and Floxie Community for your continued support. We’re all in this together.


    • L September 5, 2018 at 6:01 pm Reply

      I know the feeling. I was kind of mortified when a friend set up a Go Fund Me early on after my body was devastated by cipro. I am glad you are doing this. I am about $40,000 in now and still spending money on things that insurance doesn’t cover, so I can’t afford to contribute. But I would be happy to share on my facebook page, if you like. (I didn’t want to post without asking first.)

      • Lukasz September 5, 2018 at 6:56 pm Reply

        That would be very helpful, thanks for doing this.

        Yeah, this is all pretty surreal. I never imagined myself going broke, being unemployed, and not being able to work. Then again, who does, right? Life is this crazy matrix where anything and everything can happen. And it does. All we have to do is turn on the news or look no further then our own lives. Mind you, some people go through life relatively unscathed. At worst, tooth aches here and there while some us have or continue to endure hell on earth. None of it makes any sense, at least on the surface. I’m sure it all makes sense on the invisible plane.

        Anyway, $40,000 spent on this set of circumstances is astronomical. That’s a house in some countries. Though I can’t say I’m surprised. There is a huge opportunity for the medical field to capitalize on sick people from coast to coast. Doctors, nurses, specialists, pharmacists, Big Pharma, etc. all stand to make millions, make that billions from those who are suffering. There’s no shortage of new “patients” coming through their doors. But hey, it keeps a certain demographic employed and people have to die at some point anyway, right? Sad, sad, world.

        • L September 5, 2018 at 8:15 pm

          Very sad. And people like naturopaths, acupuncturists, don’t charge outrageous prices…but since they are not covered by insurance its tough on us. Will post your go fund me. Good luck!

        • Azz September 5, 2018 at 8:25 pm

          Hi Lukasz, it’s super depressing your still struggling so much even after 4 years. I’ve reached the year mark and although I felt slightly improved at the 10 month mark I whent backwards and haven’t recovered. I’m mainly suffering from mental symptoms like yourself so I was hoping you were going to have a happy ending. I’ve looked into hyperbaric oxygen therapy after you noted some improvement, is this treatment limiting? I don’t know about your country but it costs a FORTUNE in Australia $250 for just 1 hour! Like you I’ve lost my job so I’m having to leech off my wife who’s a waitress so there’s no savings like before. How’s your depression? Mine still hasn’t improved and sometimes I think what is the point when everyday is just such a struggle. I’m currently trying liposomal vitamin C and glutathione did you try this? Good luck to you.

        • Lukasz September 6, 2018 at 5:05 pm


          I really wish I had better news to share re: my recovery but I don’t want to fool anyone into believing that things are right with me. They aren’t. I still struggle with quite a few symptoms but overall, I’m generally better than I was when all hell broke loose back in November 2014 and then again in April 2015. That I’m certain of. Unfortunately, as Mark noted above, it’s a game of defeating one symptom and taking on another shortly after. There is a constant feeling of being unwell, which I imagine most people on this site can relate to. You never feel quite right. Like a bad flu that never goes away. That’s the best way I can describe it. I’m sure you know the feeling all too well.

          Having said that, we have to keep going. Tomorrow there may be an antidote to all this suffering. If we quit, we’re out of the game. So what choice is there but to stick around and hope for better things to come? I’ve lost 4 years of my life to this illness, but if I ever defeat this, those lost 4 years will be a drop in the ocean compared to how I will view and live my life then. So I hold on each day, hoping that one day in the future, my life as I knew it, will return. I hope you will do the same. Not just for your sake, but for your wife’s sake as well. I’m sure she would like to have you around for a while. I may seem like a hippie when I say this but our lives are more important than we think.

          Re: HBOT, it depends. Some individuals will benefit greatly while others will see limited healing from it. At the time I had it, I was in very bad shape. Every time I left a session of HBOT, I felt uplifted and rejuvenated. Like I had received an injection of life. Sadly, it wasn’t long before my symptoms returned and I was back in the dog house. By long I mean quite a few hours had passed by or I went back to feeling ill the next day. It was extremely expensive, as you mentioned, so you have to consider whether this is worth the cost. I’ll be honest with you, I thought it may cure me of this condition. I had very high hopes, just as I do with Major Autohemotherapy. Unfortunately, it didn’t work out the way I had hoped. If do end up doing Major Autohemotherapy, I’ll let you know how that goes.

          My depression is mild these days. It used to be severe and then moderate, so I’m very thankful for the improvement. I credit Turmeric with 95% Curcuminoids for feeling less depressed and anxious, though it could be other things that are helping along. It wasn’t long ago that I would be overwhelmed (panic attack) in a busy setting like Costco. Now I can walk through the store with only a small fraction of the overwhelming feeling I had before. So things are definitely looking up. Still, there’s lots of unresolved stuff and my body and mind are feeling quite drained from the daily struggle.

          I think I tried liposomal vitamin C early on. If I recall, it gave me diarrhea. I had to stop taking it for this reason. Maybe my dose was too high. As for glutathione, I don’t recall trying it. Have you tried them yet? Any beneficial results?

          Sorry to hear about the job situation. It’s a terrible feeling knowing that you can’t work because of this. If it wasn’t for my family, I’d be homeless right now. Hopefully we can recover sooner than later and return to living our life again.

          All the best mate.

        • Azz September 7, 2018 at 4:50 am

          I know what you mean, I just pray everyday to see SOME improvement but it never comes. Its also put a lot of pressure on my marriage because of financial problems and it upsets my wife that I can’t seem to enjoy anything anymore. I compare this to how I was before and it’s almost magical how happy I was and how I saw the world. I think glutathione was a failure if anything I feel worse then before, but I’m still giving vitamin c a try. Pls let my know how the ozone treatment goes, I’m very keen to see your results because my worst symptoms are phychiatric as well. I will feel far more positive if this black cloud xnd dizziness can be at least a little lifted from my life. I bought curvy in today off your advice do let’s see how it goes. I’m sure my mental state is so severe because I was taking NSAIDs at the same time as taking Ciprofloxacin (due to neither the doctor or pharmacist telling me if this contradiction) Thanks and good luck!

        • Lukasz September 7, 2018 at 1:28 pm

          I know the feeling. It took a long time before I was able to regain some joy back in my life. Looking back, I was pretty much a zombie for the better part of three and a half years. It’s only from July of this year that I started to notice a shift towards being able to enjoy certain things again. Prior to that, nothing mattered. So hang in there. If I’m able to regain some joy back in my life, you will too.

          That’s true. Life before and life after ADRs, is like night and day. I see it as almost two separate lives. It’s like a second life woven into the first. Like you said, the way we saw the world before this occurrence was drastically different than the way we see it now. I guess there’s a reason the saying “to look at the world through rose-colored glasses” exists. It’s shocking how quickly life can change.

          Yes, NSAIDs and ABX are a recipe for disaster. I equate antibiotics to a stick of dynamite and NSAIDs as the match/lighter. Combine those two and it’s kaboom.

          Also, I forgot to mention, I was drinking a few different teas for quite a while to detox and flush out the toxins. It’s an English company and they are organic teas. The name of the company is Higher Living. I was drinking Golden Turmeric, Licorice and Daily Detox. I did also drink their Chamomile & Vanilla and Sweet Dreams teas before bed but not as often as the previous teas I mentioned.

          They may help you out.

        • Lukasz September 7, 2018 at 1:42 pm

          Higher Living Teas:

        • Azz September 10, 2018 at 2:17 am

          Thanks I’ll give it a go, I’d also like to know if your vision improved? Mine is still very strange with it being hard to focus and everything around the peripheral vision being very blurry. I bought some curcumin and I think it’s actuslly helped my depression a little. My grandmother from Belarus suggested I take kafir which is as good a probiotic as they get and it’s helped my stomach immensely so you might want to try that if your still having that problem.

        • Lukasz September 10, 2018 at 9:44 am

          My vision has improved since the early days, but it’s not the way it used to be. I had perfect 20/20 vision and no floaters or any blurriness to speak of. Now, my vision doesn’t seem 20/20 and there are occasional tiny floaters. My vision is occasionally blurry as well. Having said that, it’s MUCH improved from the onset. At the start, I couldn’t even be outside because the sun’s rays would literally blind me. Even lights, particularly fluorescent lighting, would be problematic. My tolerance towards both seems to have improved drastically. I don’t know if I’ll ever enjoy the same level of vision I once had. Probably not since I’m not getting any younger. Your vision issues will improve, but like everything, it will take some time.

          Kefir is excellent if you can tolerate/digest casein, a protein that’s found in most dairy products. I’m lactose intolerant and my body is unable to process casein. Because I can’t process this protein, it actually has the opposite effect. It makes me feel sicker. This is all explained in Dr. Natasha Campbell-McBride’s book “Gut and Psychology Syndrome: Natural Treatment for Autism, Dyspraxia, A.D.D., Dyslexia, A.D.H.D., Depression, Schizophrenia.” However, if you aren’t lactose intolerant and your body is able to convert casein, kefir is for sure one of the best ways to start colonizing your microbiome.

        • Lukasz September 10, 2018 at 9:52 am

          *to start colonizing your microbiome with beneficial/good bacteria found in kefir products.

        • Azz September 11, 2018 at 5:32 am

          Hi Luke, I’d like to know if you ever got significantly better then had a major setback? I felt a huge improvement 10 months out then it feels like I’ve reverted back to the beginning all over again, this has lasted for the past 5 months. It’s super frustrating as you know. Thanks

        • Lukasz September 11, 2018 at 6:21 am

          I’ve had plenty of setbacks and some of those were major. There’s been times when I felt in the clear only to consume something that would start up a bunch of symptoms. Don’t get too discouraged when this happens. Just avoid whatever you think caused the symptoms to occur, i.e. gluten, dairy, products with bad chemicals, etc. and keep going in your fight. Eventually, your immune system will become stronger and assist you more frequently in dealing with the toxic substances.

        • Azz October 18, 2018 at 12:50 am

          Hi Lukasz, have you had your B12 levels checked? My symptoms are identical to yours and I recently found out I’m deficient among other things but mainly B12. I’ve been scared to try anything since it invariably gives me a bad reaction but supplementing in B12 actually helped. Although my vision is still unacceptable.


        • Lukasz October 21, 2018 at 9:37 am

          Yup, I had them checked and they’re just above the norm. Same deal with vitamin D and thyroid function. I’ll be starting up supplementation with all three of these soon. Have you checked your vitamin D and thyroid function? Try organic hemp hearts for the vision issues. Sprinkle on salads, oatmeal, yogurt, etc.

        • Azz October 21, 2018 at 3:49 pm

          Yes my vitamin D was a bit lower then normal (it never was before) and I’m in the process of getting my thyroid checked. I’ve still Been struggling with major depression and can’t help but worry it’s permenant it’s even worse then before actually and it’s been over a year now. Have you supplemented with selenium or or NAC?

        • L October 21, 2018 at 6:10 pm

          My integrative MD put me on 10,000 units of A. (and I am in sunny California). You can get selenium from two brazil nuts everyday. I take NAC daily because it also helps with asthma related issues.

        • Azz October 22, 2018 at 2:25 am

          Could I ask what brand of NAC you use? It’s not available in Australia so I have to import it from America. I have Thorne already but haven’t taken it just incase. This experience has made me afraid of the simplest things due to adverse affects.

        • L October 22, 2018 at 7:57 am

          I use NOW brand, but I have used others as well. I get it from vitacost

        • L October 22, 2018 at 7:59 am

          BTW I think Thorne is a trusted brand

        • Lukasz October 22, 2018 at 9:43 am


          In that case, I’d buy some Vitamin D drops and start supplementing with those. At least 5,000 IUs per day. If your thyroid comes back low, supplementing with iodine would up your levels.

          I haven’t supplemented with selenium but I think I tried NAC for a short time early on. I don’t recall having much benefit from it but that doesn’t mean it won’t benefit you.

          I’m sorry to hear that you’re still struggling with major depression. I still have bouts of it myself. Some days I’m better and some days I’m worse. It does get better though.

          Nothing is permanent my friend. Not even death.

  40. Lukasz September 6, 2018 at 8:03 am Reply


    There lies the problem. The question is why aren’t they covered by insurance? I think we all know the answer to that question.

    I’m really sorry that you’ve had to bury yourself in such debt because of all that has happened. The fallout from this can be brutal.

    You’ve helped so many people here. If anyone deserves to get their health back, it’s you. Thanks for all that you do to help others.

    I pray that it all works out for you in the end.

    • L September 6, 2018 at 8:43 am Reply

      Thank you. That’s very sweet of you, and I wish the same for you.

  41. John Webb October 13, 2018 at 11:20 pm Reply

    hey Lukasz, I just watch your video, and I am terrified that I have mess myself up, I tested positive for h pylori and was given amoxicillin and clarithromycin, I didn’t have any side effects until I lasts days of the course, the side effect I have is a upset stomach from time to time that is all, I don’t if you will see this comment soon, but I will gladly appreciate your input thank you and i wish you well

    • Lukasz October 21, 2018 at 9:59 am Reply

      Hi John,

      Apologies for the late reply.

      Sorry to hear about your diagnosis. Not sure why the doc put you on both amoxicillin and clarithromycin. Those are two separate antibiotic classes that are normally prescribed for separate issues. I’ve never seen them being prescribed together. Nevertheless, try not to worry too much. Hopefully, with luck, your body will metabolize the drugs and excrete the leftover toxins. That’s if you don’t have the MTHFR gene mutation. Then it becomes a bit tricky. Seeing as your only symptom so far is stomach upset, you might be ok.

      If you’re concerned, you can take probiotics and magnesium to contain any damage that has been done but again, the best scenario is that your body has dealt with the drugs accordingly. If you see or begin to feel additional symptoms coming on, then you might want to act with additional supplementation. Also, I would do a full blood test and have all your vitamins, minerals, thyroid and all other relevant functions checked to make sure that the drugs didn’t mess with them.

      All the best.

  42. John Webb October 13, 2018 at 11:27 pm Reply

    I also kick myself, because I was totally unware about this whole ordeal, I had no stomach problems , before I took the antibiotics. just turned 20 and I want to look forward to everything in life

    • Azz October 18, 2018 at 12:51 am Reply

      I would take probiotics that should clear it up

    • Lukasz October 21, 2018 at 10:12 am Reply

      Don’t beat yourself up too much over this. None of us had the prior knowledge. If we did, we wouldn’t be posting on this site. The important thing now is to contain the damage, replenish deficiencies if there are any (supplements) and detox the body of toxins (sauna). Nutrition is another important aspect.

  43. john webb October 18, 2018 at 1:46 pm Reply

    thanks azz, yeah I’m getting some yogurt and stuff. so far its been pretty good.

  44. john webb October 21, 2018 at 1:13 pm Reply

    thanks for replying luckarz, hope your doing well, yeah so far my stomach issues has pretty much cleared up. however I’m starting to have weird lower back pain, idk that may be just my muscles acting up because I have been laying in bed alote for 2 months. yeah I tested positive for H pylori, and been giving the triple therapy. I hope that helps.

  45. john webb October 21, 2018 at 3:08 pm Reply

    can clarithromycin cause back pain?

    • Lukasz October 22, 2018 at 10:01 am Reply

      It certainly can. After I took it I developed many muscle and joint aches all over my body including my back. So yes, it most certainly can cause back pain. You may benefit from epsom salt baths.

      • Lukasz October 22, 2018 at 10:05 am Reply

        Also, LIGHT exercise and the use of sauna may help reduce some of the pain.

  46. john webb October 22, 2018 at 12:26 pm Reply

    you mind if I give you a call Lukasz, sometimes later?

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