People often ask about what they should do to treat infections post-flox. Here are my tips.
First, please INSIST on getting your infection cultured and confirmed before you take any antibiotics. As anyone who has had an adverse reaction to an antibiotic can tell you, antibiotics are not benign drugs. They have side-effects (HERE is the 43 PAGE warning label for Cipro/Ciprofloxacin). Some of those side-effects are life-altering and/or life-threatening. You don’t want to put any drugs into your body unless you absolutely need them. A culture should be done to confirm that an infection is present before you take an antibiotic – no matter what.
Because antibiotics have been shown to wreak havoc on the microbiome and bactericidal antibiotics damage mitochondria – and because both microbiome disruptions and mitochondrial dysfunctions are linked with every chronic disease there is – I highly recommend looking into some non-pharmaceutical options first. Garlic has been shown to have antibiotic qualities and to be more effective against biofilms than many antibiotics. For urinary tract infections, D-mannose has effectively helped thousands of people get rid of their infection. Some other non-pharmaceutical remedies for urinary tract infections can be found HERE. Coconut oil has been shown to have anti-bacterial qualities and it may be good for treating skin and GI infections. Colloidal silver not only has anti-bacterial qualities on its own, it also has been shown to increase the effectiveness of pharmaceutical antibiotics when used in conjunction with them. Andrographis is an herb that has antibiotic qualities.
If non-pharmaceutical options aren’t working and you need an antibiotic to get rid of your confirmed infection, here are the antibiotics that I recommend along with reasons as to why I recommend them (or not).
- Most Floxies seem to do well with doxycycline and other tetracyclines. Tetracyclines are bacteriostatic antibiotics that, “stops bacteria from multiplying but does not kill them.” (source)
- Several Floxies have taken Z-pack’s without incident
- Amoxicillin seems to be about as benign as antibiotics get. So, it’s not harmless, but it’s well tolerated generally.
- Penicillin seems to be well tolerated – unless you’re allergic to it.
- Cephalosporins seem to be well tolerated
There are probably some other antibiotics that are fine for Floxies, I just haven’t heard about them. Please feel free to leave a comment below if there is an effective and relatively safe one that I’m missing.
Here are the antibiotics that I recommend avoiding because they have side-effects that are similar to those of fluoroquinolones, and because many Floxies react badly to them –
- Macrobid / Nitrofurantoin
- Flagyl / Metronidazole
- Bactrim / Trimethoprim / Sulfamethoxazole
- Augmentin
Fluoroquinolones – Cipro/Ciprofloxacin, Levaquin/Levofloxacin, Avelox/Moxifloxacin, Floxin/Ofloxacin and a few others – should be avoided entirely unless you are dying and make the decision that getting “floxed” is preferred to death. Every warning label for every fluoroquinolone says that people who have an existing hypersensitivity to a fluoroquinolone should not take them again. “Ciprofloxacin is contraindicated in persons with a history of hypersensitivity to ciprofloxacin, any member of the quinolone class of antimicrobial agents, or any of the product components.” (Warning Label)
Before you take an antibiotic, or any pharmaceutical for that matter, I highly recommend that you look up the review for that drug on http://www.askapatient.com/ and look it up on http://www.peoplespharmacy.com/. Also, look up the drug’s warning label. Be informed. Make an informed decision.
Here is a list of antibiotics – http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_antibiotics I didn’t get close to going through all of them. But I hope that this post gives you some guidance when/if you are faced with an infection.
I’m not a doctor, so please take this advice for what it’s worth. Doctors should be consulted when you have an infection. The internet should be consulted too though, because doctors aren’t capable of knowing everything and informed consent is really important.
Awesome! Thank you, Lisa!!
Very useful.Probably all the antibiotics that act intracellulary should be avoided too.Our cells need some time(LOTS)to regain their health…
My daughter and I did fine with bactrim. There are several who have had issues with it, but you can’t just throw up your hands and say, “I can’t take any antibiotic” when you don’t know what your experience will be. I think we can all agree NO FLUOROQUINOLONES! I also think it’s good to share our experience, but sometimes antibiotics are needed, and sometimes I think we go too far warning people off everything! (Yes, I’m guilty as well!). There are VERY FEW drugs that have the kind of side effects FQ’s have.
Thank you Lisa for the post. It is a big responsibility you carry and I truly appreciate all you do along with those that post information on this site. I recently took Macrobid after being floxed. It did bring back neuropathy symptoms but it is slowly improving. (Thankfully) I attribute my speedy recovery to the information shared on this site. Alpha lipoic is a huge help along with probiotics and magnesium. If you have to take another antibiotic, I would advise taking these supplements also. Always advise your doctor you are doing so though.
Thanks Lisa and everyone on this site.
I almost died of liver failure from Cipro. I have no problem with cephalosporins, but will not take Zithromax. Zithro has a new FDA boxed warning concerning QT prolongation.
Lisa – I have a UTI that won’t go away. Been on two sets of antibiotics – Macrobid and Bactrim. What have you heard are the side effects for those for those you had cipro reactions?
Thank you for the helpful information. Chris
Thanks Lisa for this post!
I am considering cephalosporins (such as Rocephin) for a Lyme treatment protocol. Priscilla (above) comments that she has had no problems with cephalosporins, but, you did not mention them in your original list. Have you heard of any other experience, positive or negative, with this group of antibiotics?
Thanks again for your posts!!
I’m on doxycyclin, and it’s been fine. I took amoxicillan, something I’d never had any problem with in the past a few months ago, and it gave me a rash. I’m not sure what was up with that, I’m wondering if it was a dye in the capsuls.
I would like to mention a prophylactic treatment for preventing UTI’s. While researching Bioidentical hormone treatments in the book, Stay Young & Sexy with Bio-Identical Hormone Replacement by Dr. Jonathan V. Wright, I ran across some reliable studies on women who had re-occurring UTI’s. One study was published on PubMed. So I told my doctor to please give me a subscription for intra-vaginal estriol as I was suffering from constant UTI’s. I have been using estriol for over a year and I have not had one urinary tract infection. Estriol restores vaginal acidity which in turn, keeps bacteria at bay.
Hi Lisa! Is there a way to message you off the forum? I had a few comments about post-flox abx use from a doc I think you know and I’d feel more comfortable sharing them separately if that’s possible. Thanks, best, Chris
Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2014 19:39:44 +0000 To: floxlymequery@outlook.com
Thank you for your article! After being Floxed 3 1/2 years ago, I recently tried Macrobid for a UTI and after just 2 pills my joint pain has really flared up considerably! I stopped the Macrobid and successfully treated the UTI with d-mannos, tons of 100% blueberry juice, high quality probiotics, and tons of water. By the grace of God I think my infection is cleared after 2 weeks. The mannos by itself wasnt working but the blueberry juice I think is key. I hope that helps somebody. Tetracyclines cause joint swelling for me but that is listed on your safe list. I’m wondering when my flair will settle down. Its been several weeks now. I will try the suggestions in the comments section.Thank you again for this article!
Re: Macrobid/Nitrofurantoin It is NOT a safe drug.- I am reading this forum because there isn’t one for me. I have been severely poisoned by Macrobid. Severely. It has caused severe neuropathy, lung damage, profuse sweating, fatigue and extreme anxiety. I have been homebound for 10 months. Macrobid kills people with Lung Toxicity sometimes with the first course. I had been taking Macrobid for years as a prophylactic for UTI’s and to treat UTI’s. This past fall I had several recurrent UTI’s. I wound up in the ER several times with severe breathing problems and my limbs feel like they are on fire. I was dx’d with Lung Fibrosis and Small Fiber neuropathy – but nobody could tell me “why” this abrupt onset. I was prescribed large doses of Gabapentin which has not helped at all. I kept getting more UTI’s and taking more courses of the med. This is a nightmare. I cannot sleep from the pain and profuse sweating, I have lost my appetite. I cannot exercise – any increase in heart rate increases the burning. In spite of my resistance and fear, I am about to start Cymbalta. I have tried large doses of various supplements, IV-gluthianone, IV-Myers Cocktail, to no avail.
I have a UTI my Dr confirmed it and also wrote me a prescription for Bactrim for three days. I am scared to take it due to my horrible horrible reaction to Cipro just two months ago. Does anyone have any recommendations on what to do or any stories about Bactrim. I dont want the infection to get stronger or worse. Thoughts appreciated. – D
Relatively new to D-Mannose – used twice ( I have CHRONIC uti’s).
It has worked for me now twice for infections, but i find it very irritating/burning if I take large or frequent doses recommended for a UTI. That makes it difficult to tell if it is working, as it feels just like a severe UTI.
Dear Lisa/others:
After roughly 16 months of recovery from being floxed in April 2014, I took Augmentin for a suspected ear infection last week and now I am experiencing an incredible flare-up of neuropathic pain.
I am divided as to whether this is a “normal” flare up as part of my recovery process, or rather whether I have upset my recovery by the introduction of the Augmentin.
Is Augmentin considered safe for floxies? What I can I expect as a result of having taken it? Biggest question: have I simply caused a momentary relapse of symptoms, or have I indeed set my entire recovery process back considerably?
Thanks so very much for your time and responses, and I will be praying for everyone here to make a full and happy recovery!
Thanks,
Jack
Cipro causes tendon rupture and tendons never recover from this,
I don’t know, but after take Amoxicillin I got a new and bigger tinnitus than the one that cipro gifted me. I have experienced joint problems to those related to the early days of cipro. So, watch out.
The Z pack was fine pre-flox but post flox gave me heart issues and anxiety. I’m developing similar responses to most drugs that aren’t even antibiotics so it may very well be a heart issue.
Who needs all this Big Pharma poison? In the current system if wonderfully simple solutions are available, your doctor will never, ever tell you. That’s the simple truth of it. Urinary infections can be cleared up with 1/2tsp of Sodium Bicarb in water twice a day and lots of water otherwise. Colloidal silver is fine on wounds, inhaled, etc. It can knock out pneumonia faster than anything that Big Pharma offers.