The world has shifted. Most of us started the year as if 2020 was going to be a continuation of the norm of 2019, but the world shook, and all assumptions are now out the door.
We are dealing with a global pandemic. COVID-19, the novel coronavirus, has reached every state in the U.S. and most nations in the world. It has killed thousands of people, and it will almost certainly kill thousands more.
Governments have reacted to COVID-19 by declaring national (or local) emergencies, closing borders, stopping travel, shutting down places where people gather (including restaurants, bars, beaches, churches, etc.), closing schools, locking down nursing homes and retirement communities, telling people to stay home from work, and more. These actions have enormous consequences for our economy, and the reach of the ripple-effects are, and will be, far and wide.
I worry about my community—Durango, Colorado. I worry about the virus reaching Durango. As I write this, no cases have been confirmed in my community – but I’m sure that the day is coming when someone in the community will have, and spread, the virus. I worry about the pain, suffering, and death that will bring. I also worry about the effects of the reactions to COVID-19 on my community. I worry about all the people with young kids who can’t go to school for the next month who now must choose between their job(s) and leaving their kids at home alone. I worry about the people who can barely make ends meet while working full-time who are getting their hours cut because we won’t get tourists this year. I worry about the medical workers who must be exposed to sick people as part of their jobs.
I worry about the floxie community and my floxed friends as well. Floxies are susceptible to viruses just like anyone else, and they are also affected by economic fluctuations. Most of my floxed friends have been hurt economically by fluoroquinolones – losing jobs, money, marriages, relationships, and much more because of fluoroquinolone toxicity – and being further economically hurt by COVID-19 is likely to push some of them over the edge.
I worry about many things and many people.
All this fretting. I wish it was helpful, but, alas, it isn’t. But perhaps it may be helpful for someone reading this to hear that someone else cares and is worried about them. People care enough to worry – I do.
I don’t know any more about the ever-changing COVID-19 virus situation than anyone else. However, I do have a few thoughts on how it might affect those who have been floxed. As always, please keep in mind that I’m not a doctor and these are not opinions that are informed by any medical education, they are simply my opinions and thoughts. Here they are:
- If you are not on immunosuppressive drugs, I don’t think that COVID-19 will be any more dangerous for you than it is for anyone else. Yes, I know that fluoroquinolone toxicity makes your immune system go haywire, and that fluoroquinolone toxicity looks and feels a lot like various autoimmune diseases. But, I believe that what makes people with autoimmune diseases more susceptible to infections is the immunosuppressive drugs they are often on, not the autoimmune disease itself. HOWEVER, when COVID-19 (and ebola, and a lot of other viral infections) kills people, it is by over-reaction of the immune system in a process called a cytokine storm. So, if floxies have an over-reactive immune system they may be more likely to experience a cytokine storm. I haven’t seen any research saying that floxies are any more likely to experience a cytokine storm than anyone else though, and I assume that floxies are no more, or less, likely to be infected with or experience complications from COVID-19 than anyone else.
- Apparently, people who survived SARS and MERS often experience severe ongoing chronic fatigue after they recover. COVID-19 is related to both SARS and MERS, though whether or not there are ongoing fatigue-related effects of COVID-19 is still to-be-determined. A lot of floxies experience severe and intractable fatigue, and even though my fatigue wasn’t near as bad as that of many people, the thought of virus-induced chronic fatigue scares the crap out of me.
- NSAIDs can make COVID-19 infections worse. NSAIDs suck. Here are a couple articles about NSAIDs and COVID-19 as well as a couple posts about how NSAIDs are bad for floxies.
- Chloroquine is being explored as a potential treatment for COVID-19. It is related to fluoroquinolones, but it is NOT a fluoroquinolone. It’s more of a cousin, or even second-cousin, drug. Is chloroquine contraindicated for people who have been floxed? Probably…. But I have not seen any studies showing that. Still, the precautionary principle should rule in most circumstances, and I wouldn’t touch it. In addition to its quin structure, problems with chloroquine include:
- It can cause retinal toxicity and blindness.
- Both chloroquine and ciprofloxacin are lysosomotropic drugs. People who are smarter than me should read “Lysosomal cell death at a glance” to figure out what that means.
- Chloroquine inhibits thiamine uptake, and depleted thiamine is related to many chronic illnesses (you can read about the connections between thiamine, mitochondrial health, and chronic illness on hormonesmatter.com).
- Both fluoroquinolones and chloroquine can lead to serious cardiac problems, including arrhythmia and cardiomyopathy, both of which can lead to death.
- Both fluoroquinolones and chloroquine can cause tinnitus, and tinnitus can be miserable.
As I said, I wouldn’t take it if it was avoidable. (I am not under the impression that people quarantined in a hospital have much liberty or choice over what drugs go into their bodies though, and I doubt I would be able to make that decision if faced with treating COVID-19 – hopefully I am being pessimistic on that front and body autonomy isn’t actually relinquished when in the hospital…. But I still hope to never be in the situation to find out.) Chloroquine is a serious and consequential drug that may be particularly consequential for people with a history of adverse reactions to fluoroquinolones, but, I want to caution against a total knee-jerk reaction against any drug or substance with “quin” in its name. For example, pyrroloquinoline quinone (PQQ) is a mitochondrial support supplement that many floxies have tried without incident – and its name is even scarier than chloroquine. My approach to chloroquine is to avoid it until it is proven safe for floxies, and hope that it won’t be forced upon me. I’m not a doctor and my approach may not work for others, but it’s my two cents for anyone who wants my thoughts on the matter.
We are still at the early stages of the COVID-19 pandemic, and I have no clue what the future will hold. I hope that the pain and suffering brought on by this disease is minimized as much as possible. I hope that the floxed community emerges from this difficult time without too many additional scars.
Hugs,
Lisa
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Thank you for this post Lisa. I have been more scared about the possibility of chloroquine than the actual virus. Do you know if it will only be used if absolutely necessary? Or is it going to be treated like a tamiflu for instance? I’m probably asking questions that nobody knows yet. Also, does this medication have the same black box warning and severe side effects as cipro? Ugh. This is all too much. Thank you for any input!Shaina Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
Thanks for your I put Lisa. These are indeed scary times. Here in Spain we have been on lockdown for just over a week. We are only allowed out for essentials, ie. food, meds, work. Any other reason you will either be arrested or fined a huge fine. This suits me, I feel safer at home, but I’m lucky because I have a big garden to get some fresh air. There are so many people around the world so much worse off and my heart goes out to them. I am watching events unfold in the UK, and some people, mainly the young or very old still don’t get it. They are still going to pubs, clubs, cafes etc. This is selfish because they could be infected and spread it to others who are vulnerable.
Italy has a lot of deaths, but to put it in perspective, 99% of those poor souls that died had existing health problems.
Lisa check out Mahmoud ELAwadi on U-Tube. It will gob smack you. I posted about him and Don M kindly put a link you can access.
I will update our progress here as it happens. Hopefully it will be good some time in the future. Stay safe. Wash hands and try to social distance, because it will spread and could already be where you are. Hopefully it’s not xx
Everyone……. If you read Lisa’s article and comments read my last post about the Coronavirus. Read about how it gets into the human body. By following the rather simple recommendations one can help to minimize there chances of getting the virus. Learn. Pay attention and don’t become a victim. Being floxed is bad enough.
Thanks Lisa.
Thank you so much, Lisa. The information you provide is ALWAYS helpful. I experimented with Chloroquine in the past as a treatment for the Flox syndrome. It was actually harmful. My symptoms got worse. I will not try this drug if it is widely offered as treatment for the Coronavirus.
Lisa, I’m in a box and have to have a surgery in a week The doc said she wants to use general anathema. Can you tell me what is best tolerated for floxies. THANK YOU!!
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Thanks again Lisa for your helpful, timely analysis. Hope you and yours are all staying well. This new flu situation particularly resonates with me: against a background of mild asthma I contracted Influenza A last year (dire fever, sweats, chills, coughing up bits of bloody lung tissue), followed by bacterial pneumonia for which I was given two Avelox IVs; these relieved my condition but left me fully floxed. My lungs are still shredded and now I have FQ heart arrhythmia, eye and tendinitis problems to contend with. Covid-19, viral pneumonia and hydroxychloroquine (with its cardiac and retinal threats) all have the potential to slay us Floxies. Possibly the only upsides for us in this situation is that we’ve had to become more health aware, and have extra experience in dealing with medical professionals and downtime management. That’s my positive spin on this challenging new chapter in our lives. One supplement I’ve found useful in general is NAC, which has a mucus-thinning effect and has helped me to breathe easier. It might not suit everyone, but I just thought I’d mention it. Best wishes to all, Hazel.
I have not used any pharmaceutical since I was floxed over 8 yrs ago. I am as I say, fairly recovered (I allow for any unknowns). I had one of the most horrible reactions leaving me very disabled in many ways but recovered. NAC is what I call my “miracle supplement.” I have 13 young grands (ages 1 to 11) who are very involved in my life. Last year I caught something so nasty that I used a box of Kleenex in one day. I upped my NAC from 600 to 2400 mg and the next day that miserable cold went to NOTHING, yes the very next day. I am floxed because every year ANY sniffle would turn into weeks of bronchitis that eventually needed an antibiotic. There are publications suggesting NAC along with the cofactors, zinc, c, selenium, molybdenum, d, etc… but I can’t find anyone to say if this would work with the storm thing. If NAC cleared a bad case of psoriasis on both legs after years of nothing else working what does that mean. I want to did into what usually works but I want some facts about this. To me NAC (which is a biofilm disrupter and mucolytic) and upping zinc and WHOLE FOOD C should take it out with no worries. But…I still have them.
This is a translation of a Spanish article about interferon and antivirals being used in Cuba. Cuban doctors are bringing it to Italy and other countries
https://zcomm.org/znetarticle/cuba-in-the-time-of-the-coronavirus/
The combination of lopinavir and ritonavir inhibit and block the HIV virus and, it is hoped, will act in a similar way with the coronavirus. Interferon Beta, another pharmaceutical used in China and Seville that was studied in Cuba, has a distinct actuation mechanism. It is one of the so-called signalling proteins that naturally produce human cells when infected by a virus. Its job is to alert the other cells, thereby creating greater resistance to infection.
Basically, it’s experimental treatment. Thanks for the updates. Take care of yourselves.
May God give peace and protection
In Nigeria, people are saying they would rather die than take chloroquine, which was forced on them as malaria prophylaxis by international organizations.
https://twitter.com/Boboye_Ak/status/1230388298847342593
Also this is the author of the tiny study everyone is quoting, who has a history of abusive employment practices, possiby unethical investments and is just a weird guy
He’s actually wearing a skull and crossbones ring on his pinkie finger.
They are exaggerating things so much in the media that they even have people who have been harmed by FQs saying they would take them if they had the Corona virus. It would almost guarantee their deaths since they have already been harmed by FQ. I have seen many mainstream media outlets heavily pushing FQs as the solution for the Corona virus. I am very frightened for my fellow floxies.
I just feel for all the Covid19 patient’s who develop pneumonia and are given Fluroquinolones for it. Already know one who was given Levaquin for it.
Fluoroquinolones aren’t the only drugs spoken of for treating the virus that may be harmful. Thanks for the reminder. It’s good to have this group looking out for one another! Stay well-((((((((((hugs))))))))) Is this enough distancing? ;p
Hi there everyone, good to see that others have been helped by NAC: I’ll keep taking it throughout this crisis and beyond. As for Covid treatments that might be kinder to Floxies, in my (very amateurish) way I’ve been looking into SuperOxide Dismutase (SOD). Floxies seem to have mutations on their SOD genes: I think FQs trash these metalloenzymes which are among the body’s frontline defenders against infection (the fluorine component of FQs pulls out the transition metals – manganese, iron, copper – contained in SOD?).
And I found this paper suggesting that aerosolised SOD seems to help ameliorate Acute Respiratory Distress Syndrome (a major risk for Covid sufferers):
https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0026870
“The results encourage the use of an aerosol therapy with EC-[extracellular]SOD in intensive care units to reduce oxidative injury in patients with severe hypoxemic respiratory failure, including acute respiratory distress syndrome (ARDS).”
So my question for any medically qualified respondents out there is this: if our compromised SOD genes land us Floxies in hospital with Covid, could topping up our EC-SOD with nebulisers help us without piling on any extra side effects?
Here’s another article translated from French I think that talks about how the plaquenil doctor should be questioned. He’s a climate change denier as well.
https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/democraciaabierta/treating-covid-19-chloroquine-reckless/
hi everyone, we here in South Africa are into our second week of lockdown , the second being the most contagious, so I’m really on LOCKDOWN because of my age for one and secondly I took Ciploxx like smarties not knowing that that was the cause of my ill health, so am staying far away from public and praying that this virus will be trampled under Jesus feet as of now. I have stocked up on Indian tonic water which has quinine in and drink a very small amount when the ringing in my ears and inflammation gets out of hand. it really helps! but don’t take it every day. praying for the Lord’s mercy on South Africa and America and the whole world. may this virus stop right now in Jesus name. be safe all.
They have approved Chloroquine for the worst cases here in Spain.
As from today the Army are on the Streets where I live to make sure people are sticking to the rules. Whilst I understand the need for this lockdown, I find it disturbing that they are using this shit drug and that our basic freedoms are being slowly taken by stealth. I am afraid if the drug works on the worst cases they will force everyone to have it. I have no problem with lockdown and we follow the expert advice for limited outings for food etc. Everyone I know here is doing the same. So why ‘the Army’ when the local Police were doing a good job. These are scary times indeed.
The chloroquine story is really suspicious! Dr Fauci is trying to tell Trump to cut it out, and now the man in charge of US trade is telling Fauci to shut up. Whenever big business is on one side, that should be a warning!
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/apr/06/peter-navarro-fauci-hydroxychloroquine
Me informe sobre la cloroquina y me dijeron esto: (he usado traductor)
Hello Alba, The first is an antimalarial and fluorquinolones are antibiotics. In principle they are two different drugs, used in different indications as well. However, but from the point of view of chemical structure, they present a certain analogy (similar heterocyclic rings). They could have similar adverse reactions.
2º In principle, chloroquine and its hydroxychloroquine derivative present a risk of hemolytic anemia, therefore in thalassemias they would not be recommended. In quinolones, the risk of hemolytic anemia has also been described.
In short, these drugs present a risk of hemolytic anemia. Your doctor should assess the risk benefit if you need to be prescribed chloroquine or its hydroxychloroquine derivative.
Bibliography:
Chloroquine technical data sheet https://cima.aemps.es/cima/pdfs/es/ft/15797/FichaTecnica_15797.html.pdf
Hydroxychloroquine technical data sheet https://cima.aemps.es/cima/pdfs/es/ft/83938/FT_83938.pdf
Ciprofloxacin technical data sheet: https://cima.aemps.es/cima/pdfs/es/ft/62300/FT_62300.pdf