Welcome to Floxie Hope


This site is to give HOPE to those who are suffering from Fluoroquinolone Toxicity Syndrome as a result of being poisoned by fluoroquinolone antibiotics – Cipro, Levaquin, Avelox, Floxin, etc.  It contains stories of healing.

Cipro, Levaquin, Avelox and all other fluoroquinolones are dangerous drugs that can have devastating effects that cumulatively I’ll refer to as Fluoroquinolone Toxicity Syndrome or Floxing.  Fluoroquinolone Toxicity Syndrome/Floxing includes damage to connective tissue (tendons, ligaments, cartilage, fascia, etc.) throughout the body, damage to the nervous systems (central, peripheral and autonomic), and more. The damage done by fluoroquinolone antibiotics can destroy a person’s quality of life or even kill them. Certainly, there is a time and a place for drugs with dangerous side effects. If you find yourself in a septic shock induced coma, fluoroquinolones may save your life. Unfortunately, these drugs are not being reserved for life or death situations. People are being prescribed them for urinary tract infections, suspected prostate infections, upper respiratory infections, as a prophylactic for travelers’ diarrhea, ear infections, pink eye, etc. Thousands of people have suffered needlessly from the devastating effects of fluoroquinolone antibiotics, when another, safer antibiotic could have, and should have, been used.

The damage done by fluoroquinolones is largely unacknowledged by the medical establishment and an accurate diagnosis, compensation and relief are difficult to come by. There is no known cure for Fluoroquinolone Toxicity Syndrome/Floxing.  However, many people continue to LIVE after being poisoned by fluroquinolones.  They find healing, recovery, perseverance, compassion and hope.  These are their stories.

This site is meant to give hope for healing to those who are adversely effected by fluoroquinolones.  It is no way meant to disregard the pain of those who are chronically suffering from the horrifying effects of Cipro, Levaquin, Avelox or the other fluoroquinolones.  There are people who don’t recover.  Their stories are real and they matter.  There are also people who are able to recover and I share their stories with the hope that they inspire others, or at least give hope that recovery is possible.

Here is a New York Times article about the dangers of fluoroquinolone antibiotics – http://well.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/09/10/popular-antibiotics-may-carry-serious-side-effects/?_r=0 – more news stories, research papers and other resources can be found on the “Links and Resources” page.

Here is a Facebook group that is a great resource for those going through Fluoroquinolone Toxicity – https://www.facebook.com/groups/floxies/

Featured post – Why NSAIDs Suck for Floxies (and Probably Everyone Else Too)

[This site is about Fluoroquinolone Toxicity Syndrome, Floxing, cipro side-effects, levaquin side-effects, avelox side-effects, floxin side-effects, fluoroquinolone antibiotics, antibiotic side-effects, dangerous drugs, cipro danger, levaquin danger, avelox danger, cipro reaction, levaquin reaction, avelox reaction, floxin reaction, Cipro recovery, levaquin recovery, avelox recovery, floxin recovery, recovery stories, fluoroquinolone poisoning, adverse drug reaction, healing, hope, and any other keywords that are important. :) ]

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5,541 thoughts on “Welcome to Floxie Hope

  1. Larry Edwards April 19, 2015 at 11:14 pm Reply

    Served in the gulf war with the marines….been having extreme joint and muscle pain ever since…looking for more info……

    • Lisa Bloomquist April 20, 2015 at 6:07 am Reply

      Hi Larry,

      Thank you so much for your service! I’m so sorry for the pain that you have gone through! Here is a post that I wrote about the connection between fluoroquinolone toxicity and Gulf War Syndrome – http://www.collective-evolution.com/2014/01/06/gulf-war-illness-tied-to-cipro-antibiotics/ There are a lot of similarities between FQ toxicity and Gulf War Syndrome. Those fighting in the Gulf were exposed to a lot of other junk too and I suspect that there are confounding factors as well. I do think that exposure to cipro/ciprofloxacin is an often overlooked aspect of Gulf War Illness though.

      A researcher who is working on a fluoroquinolone toxicity survey, Dr. Beatrice Golomb, has also done extensive work on Gulf War Syndrome. Her info for the fluoroquinolone toxicity survey can be found here – http://www.fqstudy.info/Fluoroquinolone_Effects_Study/Welcome.html Reaching out to her may be helpful.

      There is a lot of information on this site about how fluoroquinolones can lead to multi-symptom, often chronic illness. I hope that it helps you! Here’s one to start with – http://floxiehope.com/2014/05/20/articles-about-fluoroquinolone-toxicity-to-give-to-your-doctor/


    • Linda Livingston April 25, 2015 at 5:35 pm Reply

      Larry, I do not know if this is still going on, but when I was searching for help for myself (civilian) I came across info on a study they are doing with Gulf War Vets. Contact dcarpenter@albany.edu to see if it is ongoing. (I believe it is high dose vitamin./mineral therapy and that sort of thing, but you might want to check it out.

      • Linda Livingston April 25, 2015 at 5:53 pm Reply

        also, couldn’t figure out how to leave a NEW post. In addition to head to toe side effects I now find out I have pericardial effusion, which I believe was also caused by the cipro. They recommend that you take NSAIDs, cochcine or steroids. ALL of this are contraindicated with FQ toxicity. So I have taken none, and it has gotten larger. I am wondering if A) anyone else was diagnosed with pericardial effusion after being floxed and B) what they did to help relieve it? Thanks

        • Jason April 28, 2015 at 2:05 pm

          Hi Linda. To leave a new post, scroll down to the bottom of the page and click under where it says, “leave a reply”. Definitely do not take any NSAIDS if you were Floxed. Unfortuantely I am not sure what else could help that condition sry.

  2. mike April 20, 2015 at 9:15 am Reply


    Take Magnesium ASAP. Magnesium chelates fluoroquinolones (which means it binds the molecule up to make it ineffective) Taking magnesium will be more effective for you since you just finished your last pill. (probably not as effective for someone like me who took my last pill over 3 years ago) You will have a good amount of Cipro still floating around in your body, the magnesium will help make it inactive. If I were you I would take the highest (safe) amount possible.

  3. SM April 20, 2015 at 8:10 pm Reply

    Okay, mag oil people. Renee, I know you’re out there! I have been trying magnesium chloride spray lately. I know that the bottle says 10 sprays equals about 150 mg of magnesium. I also know that many recommend 10-20 sprays per day. That said, I found a document put out by the ancient minerals people and an article from Dr. Sircus that both suggest a massive dose of oil, not the 10-20 spray type. The ancient minerals article says 100 sprays per day, and Dr. Sircus states that about an ounce per day is right. Those little spray bottles are 8 ounces. Can you imagine going through one in 8 days?! There’s got to be 1000+ sprays in there! My point here is that some are suggesting a much larger dose of magnesium chloride than a few sprays per day. Anyone tried this?

    • Mark April 21, 2015 at 3:04 am Reply

      Hi SM,

      I used 2×40 sprays for a couple of months. Even before Cipro I used 30 sprays daily for a couple years.
      When I was healthy prior to Cipro I could feel a huge difference when taking the mag oil. Now I don’t.


      • SM April 21, 2015 at 5:30 am Reply

        Thanks, Mark. That’s disappointing. Since I know I have a mafnesium deficiency, along with B12 and D, I’m hopeful that correcting those will bring about some healing. I also know it could take months to not only elevate my levels but also to feel some relief.
        I’ve done the wait and see thing. It didn’t work. Now I’m trying the supplement approach. Hopeful, but not confident. I haven’t found one thing that’s made an impact. Not acupuncture, PT, massage, glutathione IVs, vitamin C IVs.

        • Mark April 21, 2015 at 6:53 am

          Me neither SM. Supps make symptoms milder maybe but even that isn’t always the case unfortunately…

        • Jason April 21, 2015 at 9:22 am

          Hi SM. Yeah I don’t think there is just “one thing” that is going to really make a difference for someone, though in some stories you sometimes you see someone mention just one thing “seemed” to make a difference for them, but in fact there were also doing other things so pretty hard to point to just one as making a big difference. (Just one thing “might” even be able to help someone, over a longer period, but can not possibly address all the issues that arise after taking this drug)

          The thing is the drug concoction has some complex reactions in the body that do multiple negative things, couple this with the variables of each host it enters, and you really need a tailored multi-prong approach in my opinion to really see a difference (also important is what symptoms someone is having, how severe they are, and how far out they are from taking the pills). I went into this a little on the last page or two which I think you must of seen.

          I am now 3 months out and ~ 90% back to where I was, and in fact in some ways I am improved in some areas compared to pre-flox. There were other factors at play in my speedy recovery I believe as well; like being on sugar and gluten free diet (close to paleo), being at home and able to rest, supplementing before I was even Floxed, however, I attribute most of my recovery to my approach and added supplements to address this drug which I started immediately after the last Avelox pill. I noticed a difference right away with some things, yet other times it did seem like nothing was helping and I felt downright helpless and hopeless, but I realize now you just can’t prevent everything, at least I did not find a way too (thing is too you can only take so many supplements at once without overloading the liver, and I took a TON yet might have neglecting some at some important timings). I’ve been studying the body for a long time, and in particular toxins and ways to detox them (trying to solve my brain fog issue of 25+ years) so I had a huge head start on research when I foolishly took these pills for Sinus infection (without looking into them).

          I wish there was an easy way for people to get better from this crap, but I fear there is not and never will be, there are too many variables and ramifications to account for

        • Melanie kemp April 21, 2015 at 9:44 am

          I’m hearing great things about this great product.


        • Mark April 21, 2015 at 9:59 am


          Can you list everything you took to get better? Just for fun even though we’re all different and it might only work for you…


        • kelhatesfq April 27, 2015 at 9:32 pm

          Jason, I had watched a series on supplements on NetFlix in around 2010-2011. It explained that the RX companies were hiding the benefits and exaggerating the downside. That the food was worthless cause the soil was dead of nutrients being over farmed. By the time you got a piece of veg/fruit you got about 33% or so if it’s nutrients. On and on and on and on… that the number of people who died of RX per year was untold thousands while in the history of say Vitamin C, there may have been less than 10 in recorded history.

          Early in my Floxing I bought about 100 bucks worth of the top shelf vitamins that I found suggested on FB Support FQ support group. All just gummed up my insides. I would have to take 3 times the fiber I normally do to watch them out. I also got a premonition, don’t bother.

          The only thing I was told to do safely was soak in cold epson salt water. Eat right, cut out the sugar. I have an issue with this. Plus it’s tough to get people to eat sugar free and perservative free… basically if it’s in a box/can/it’s been kept it’s not as good as natural.

          I knew back in 2000 when they started me on Prozac and 5 or 10 other drugs after a few years experience…these were not the way to go. From people I knew, the drugs they took I have watched the slow progression of degeneration from RX Pills. They are useful at times, but one should limit their use. I have been on maybe 20-25 RXs in my life. I have had as many as 10 at a time. I have limited this to 2 now…

          As sick and foolish as I was I never realized but many people wiser and more educated than myself were trying to teach me. These will kill you, I basically ignored their advice. Previous to being run down at 30 MPH 2 years ago by FQs I was starting to recover from some of the damage done by ill diet and ill choices. RX is the quick fix. Though some will find they have no choice I think unless they can find the radical and very intelligent pathways some here have chosen.

          Every bone, tissue and skin in my body has now been effected. I can tell that I was bad before FQ and bad after. I am not really that depressed anymore. I came in aware but asleep. I wouldn’t have taken the pills had I been ‘fully aware’. I was the same guy who told people I love not to take Pills. Suggested that a more organic diet was the future. That no RX was the future…. Hmm, slow to act, slow to realize. Just I guess wanting the quick fix.

          There is no Quick Fix to sum it up and though FQs may shorten my life 10-20 years I can say if I can recover some I will decide to run more. Exercise more and treat myself better. Lots of people are dying and suffering from lots of BS health problems. My Mom is going short 25 years due to smoking. My Dad 15-25 years short due to sugar/smoking/drinking. My ex Fiancee, god knows due to Opiates. My first love, probably 50% of her life due to opiates. On and on and on and on.. I have a shopping list of people and even if they make it to 80, they do so very diminished from the beautiful person they can be. As the state of mind is as much as the state of being healthy

          I am just starting to realize this and this site is wonderful and the people are in educating us on this fact. You cannot sit your head in a toilet and wonder why you feel crappy. So many are right here, we will get better if we focus on it. We will figure out the dreaded FQ, they are not the dead end they are told to us to be. In 20 years perhaps…

          We can do this people :P Now we need to run for political office and fire the FDA

          P.S. Thanks friends for being there I can feel your sentiments though I haven’t answered lately. You all mean a great deal to me. I hope you are well and recovering fast! Love Kel

        • Debs April 28, 2015 at 7:09 am

          Yes, unfortunately the FQs are only the tip of a very large corrupt iceberg , most of it underwater & floating unseen by those who are still ‘ asleep’ There is far more going on behind the scenes which people must become aware of.

          The FQs are actually very useful drugs indeed to big Pharma, & this is why they do not have any intention of taking them off the market. the ADRs mimic many diseases / conditions, & can cause secondary versions of ( often autoimmune ) conditions , the markers of which can even sometimes show up in various tests, thus justifying them throwing even more of their poisons at. And THESE particular drugs are known as the blockbusters, such as statins the psychotropics & others. They, along with the FQs, are part of a longer term agenda.

          The statins / psychotropics etc, if taken for long enough WILL cause diseases, those which can ONLY be treated by allopathic drugs, which we will need to take on an ongoing basis for the rest of our now very often foreshortened lives, that is IF we wish to remain alive. These drugs with the various ADRs which accompany them, sexual dysfunction, organ damage, the fact so many are hard to withdraw from are actually NOT what they seem, they are made that way for reason.

          Please, DO NOT be fooled people.

        • Linda Livingston April 28, 2015 at 8:58 am

          I just got an email for Consumer Reports Best Buy Drugs, one of which was about sleeping pills. I am forced to take this at night because one of my side effects is breathing difficulties–almost to the point of feeling like I am suffocating. The couple hours “sleep” I get is the only reprieve from constant shortness of breath (along of course with the myriad other pains). I noticed at the end they said “we want to hear from you” so I went to their consumer report best buy drug page on facebook and wrote a paragraph on what I am going through. This is my second attempt to get them to do a piece on the fluoroquinolones. How about more messages to them please?

        • Rene May 3, 2015 at 12:05 am

          I share this view becuase it is accurate and true. I will never again participate in the false and dangerous practice of trusting the premise that these drugs are medicine. As God is my witness, for all the days of my life I will adhere to the tenets of healing and restoration…Sidestepping all this industry has done to create illness, and suffering. These corporations are a plague on all nations and people.

          LIfe doesn’t belong to them, they did not create life and though they have been successful in convincing the public that they have the answer, and created a dependency that is nothing but brainwashing. They are impotent but for their $$$$. Therefore the massive totalitarian tactics to suppress all knowledge of, or access to methods and modalities of real medicine, real food, the very raw material that we are made of, and our beloved earth, land, all living creatures. AMEN.

        • Jason April 21, 2015 at 4:20 pm

          Hi Mark. You bet I will, its going to be quite an undertaking however, as I want to list exactly which ones I bought as there are many bogus supplements out there (there have been recent studies on this). I also wish to include many other details, which I also think are all important, and now that I am at 90% I feel I’m ready to write up my story, and approached Lisa about it already. Even though we’re all somewhat different, we’re all somewhat the same too and also share in this damn fate of having taken these pills, and I believe there are many general things that can help just about everyone which I will go into great detail about for sure hoping that it helps even a few people that commit to trying them. (I listed many of these in last 2 or 3 pages)

        • Mark April 21, 2015 at 4:38 pm

          Cool Jason looking forward to your recovery story! :)


        • Jason April 21, 2015 at 4:22 pm

          Melanie that product looks interesting for sure, never heard of purple rice before but “IF” it really does what they say it does, it would be great for Floxies

        • Melanie kemp April 21, 2015 at 4:58 pm

          Ruth young and Diego Vasquez are using it with great results. I called and ordered it today. The lady is very knowledgeable. We shall see . I’m getting better but its slow and can’t get rid of this head pressure and PN so I’m trying it

        • Jason April 28, 2015 at 2:00 pm

          Hi Kel. Sorry you too have had a life of more suffering than someone ever should. For years I’ve felt I’m a ghost of who I should be, often a zombie existing but not really living. I’m getting closer to figuring out this #^*^$*^#(* Brain Fog issue of 25+ years, but it still affects me.

          My mantra from 30 years ago was “chemicals cause cancer”. I had no proof of this, but I just “knew” deep down that chemicals of ANY kind did not belong in the Human body, and of course there was plenty of proof back then and there continues to be more and more proof every year.

          So in short, ALL prescription drugs are poison IMO, any kind of drug with chemicals that are not natural dont belong in our body, and were never meant to be put in our bodys. Many perfumes, household cleaners, all this crap is not natural.

          Supplements, on the other hand, have MANY good uses, since these “are” things that not only “are in” and belong in our bodies, but has been proven that the majority of people are deficient in for reasons as you say, soil is no longer mineral rich, diet sucks for most, living in a toxic World, etc etc the list goes on for miles we our health is crappy these days.

          As for how I believe supplements, diet, and much much more can help floxies, I am currently writing out “my story” as I indicated as I am 90-95% healed as I write this and I will be detailing as much as I can here, without writing a whole book. I have some lasting DNA damage and minor Tinnitus left, but everything else is gone. Based on MANY MANY YEARS of research on the Human Body, and extensive research on this drug I will be making a very very long post that I hope everyone can take something from.

          There is no quick or easy fix for FQ poisoning for most of course we all know this (I was 85% in 2 months, many others have done this too but we are the minority I’m sure) but there are many many things someone can do to protect the body, help the body detox and then heal (and many are required, not just 2 or 3 things when you have been seriously poisoned). For those having severe reactions with debilitating symptoms, and especially if already 6 months out or more the approach needs to be much different, but there are still many things that can help. Of course for all these people, much damage is already done and the road will be much longer, but the body is an amazing healer so yes there is always hope and you’re right the Mind is unbelievably powerful in this and many other regards

          I just met with a good friend on Sunday who had Cancer last year, she had to undergo many many rounds of Chemo and 5 straight weeks of having radiation every single day. She looked amazing overall and is doing very well and going back to work now! If she can heal from all that garbage and the Cancer, there is definitely hope for everyone here too :)

    • Rene April 21, 2015 at 5:50 pm Reply

      Dear SM,

      The high dosage that Dr. Sircus/ Ancient Mineral group are suggesting is an option, BUT I would NOT venture to do that for the reason being that many people cannot handle such high dosages. The blood pressure can drop to dangerous levels, and that is not to be played with.

      Therefore be prudent and start conservatively…..low to moderate dosages….that can be easily handled daily. The most that I could ever handle was approximately 16- 20 sprays on all my limbs and shoulders/ ankles for “only 4-5 days”…..than I decreased that down to a 1/4 of what I had beensuing to just 4 sprays total….. for the following days……The “amount” of “dosage” should not be the goal….the GOAL is to have a safe, effective dosage that can be well tolerated without forcing one’s body to handle more than it want’s at that time. This is individualized medicine/therapy or care if you will.

      Many adults of all sizes and various health issues or mild health issues or severe health issues cannot do the high high dosages…..so in theory what sounds so wonderful can be counter -productive for some. The extreme dosages….may be suitable on the the 1st 24 hrs of exposure to Flouroquinolones……but the rest of us……The Best protocol is one that is low dose, and monitored over a period of 4- 5 days before increasing or decreasing…..or adding an additional “new” supplement at the same time. You want a clean read as to what is what….

      This is very individual….but for most establishing the right dosage/ amount for daily application does reap degrees of benefit that are meaningful over the length of time that is required for recovery. Vast amounts of time, where these minerals, and various nutrients are provided to to help repair the terrain and support the needs for the repair that we are designed to do.


      • SM April 25, 2015 at 8:34 pm Reply

        Thanks, Rene.

  4. Mark April 21, 2015 at 6:40 am Reply

    People we need to work together on this one. Very important!

    Cipro was just mentioned on Joe Rogan’s podcast:

    (@ 28:35 after she talked about anthrax)

    This podcast is listened to by millions of people on itunes, ustream, his website joerogan.net and youtube. We NEED to ask him to cover it in one of his next podcasts and even better to invite Lisa!!! :) He is very open about every subject of interest and very direct and honest without having to answer to any sponsor or media group.

    PLEASE send him requests to invite Lisa and cover this subject.
    His twitter: https://twitter.com/joerogan
    His homepage: joerogan.net
    His youtube channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCzQUP1qoWDoEbmsQxvdjxgQ
    His facebook page: https://www.facebook.com/JOEROGAN

    Send him as many requests as possible. I already contacted him via all this plattforms but we nee more. Only if there are enough requests will he look into it, as there are many requests send his way. So please let’s all send him at least 1 message.
    It’s a chance to reach a lot of people.


    • Jason April 21, 2015 at 9:32 am Reply

      Great idea Mark, the more people can be warned about this poison the better. And Lisa of course would be a great spokesperson!

      • Mark April 21, 2015 at 10:00 am Reply

        Jason did you send him a message? Would be cool if everyone who sent a request could comment here so we know how many people participated.
        (I already started a request in the German forum)


        • Jason April 21, 2015 at 4:03 pm

          Of course! Hope Lisa is up for the task….

        • Mark April 21, 2015 at 4:10 pm

          As far as I know she is. :)


    • Mark April 21, 2015 at 4:40 pm Reply

      Come on everybody we need more messages. We can do it! :)

    • Mark April 23, 2015 at 10:14 am Reply

      Wow why did nobody else send Joe a message? Don’t you want Lisa on his podcast??

    • Lisa Bloomquist April 23, 2015 at 4:59 pm Reply

      Everyone – I think it would be GREAT for Joe Rogan to talk about fluoroquinolone toxicity on his podcast. The “new media” – podcasts, youtube channels, blogs, etc. – is highly influential and Joe Rogan is one of the more influential podcasters there is. Please do take a moment or two to send him a note asking him to discuss fluoroquinolone toxicity. Thanks!!

  5. Aimee April 23, 2015 at 8:04 am Reply

    Hi! I was wondering if anyone has experienced visual issues that include problems with focusing for distance and vibrating vision? If so, did your symptoms go away and when? Thanks so much!

    • Debs April 23, 2015 at 4:46 pm Reply

      I have had many visual issues in my various floxings the vibrating vision was just one of them I could not read, the words used to jump & then would just disappear at the end of sentences. I had after images, photophobia so severe that for 2 years where I had to wear sunglasses 24/7 even at night, dry eyes, the worlds supply of floaters & I could go on ad infnitum . My eye issues generally started improving around the 2 year ish mark. I just have the floaters now, & my visual acuity has never been so bad I’ve had so many pairs of glasses. I also now have something that mimics but is not glaucoma. they just keep monitoring it. when I think of what I WAS like in respect to my visual issues, they have improved again dramatically

  6. richard April 23, 2015 at 2:15 pm Reply

    yes aimee i had a buzzing right eye .. dry eyes … still some flashing in eyes but eyes have been okd by dr… i also had focussing issues between months 4-7…better now

    • Melanie kemp April 23, 2015 at 2:30 pm Reply

      I’m going to optometrist on Monday. Vision is aweful. Had to buy night vision goggles to drive

  7. tricia April 23, 2015 at 5:01 pm Reply

    I know this might be a huge no no, but has anyone tried taking ativan or muscle relaxers (that are NOT NSAIDS) ??? this whole thing is weird. I don’t have any one particular spot that hurts. The overall pain just comes and goes, but its like overall sorness and stiffness…

    • Lisa Bloomquist April 23, 2015 at 5:41 pm Reply

      Ativan is a benzodiazepine. Please read all the warnings about benzos and also read stories about benzo withdrawal before taking it. It is for short-term use ONLY. It can cause the symptoms that it is supposed to treat when used long-term. It can also be a lifesaver when used correctly. BUT, it’s highly addictive. Personally, I wouldn’t take it. But I did take Kava, which has a similar mechanism of action, when I was in serious pain and needed it. You may want to look into Kava. Keep in mind that it’s not for long-term use either, it’s hard on your liver and you can build up a tolerance to it. Both Kava, and a painkilling herb called Kratom, have helped many floxies without any reports that I know of, of negative events. Be careful with both though and do research, etc. I think that both are far better than benzos though – just my opinion.

    • Melissa April 23, 2015 at 6:49 pm Reply

      I was wondering about muscle relaxers as well. About 10 years ago, I was diagnosed with TMJ. My doctor gave me a night guard (i wear faithfully every night) and prescription for a muscle relaxer to take if I have been grinding/clinching my jaw. The muscle relaxer is methocarbamol (generic Robaxin) 500 mg. I always cut it in half and maybe take for a night or two. Usually, I take it once every 4-6 weeks. It usually helps with the clinching. Since being floxed in Feb, I have not taken one.My jaw has been sore this week. I am debating if whether or not I should chance it.

      • Jason April 23, 2015 at 9:48 pm Reply

        Hi Melissa. A quick google search turned up this: It works by blocking nerve impulses (or pain sensations) that are sent to your brain. There are 6 major drug interactions (27 brand and generic names) and 647 moderate drug interactions (3711 brand and generic names)


        I’d say that is playing with fire, you are toying with the CNS which is already screwed up thanks to the fluoroquinolones, and look at the crazy amount of drug interactions and quite a list of side effects as well, its more poison really (also not rated well on that site by 96 users) Then also consider what is already floating around and being stored in your body, the quin drug along with the most reactive element on the earth.

        Of course I’m no doctor or expert, just trying to logic the question out a little for you

        • Jason April 24, 2015 at 1:45 pm

          Hi Melissa. I should add I suffer from chronic Bruxism, which is grinding teeth at night which also causes me jaw and teeth pain, and inflammation of my gums which are all white as is my tongue especially at night. Many of my teeth are wore down bad, as I’ve had this for more years than I even realized.

          I thought it was mostly stress related (it is somewhat for sure) but when I changed my diet, basically this stopped and I’m not wearing my night guard. So I cut out dairy, sugar, gluten and crappy carbs like Wheat-based stuff and anything that basically turns directly into sugar. This had many other profound effects on my health too, like cured me of 25+ years of heartburn, and many other things but was not easy and is still not easy as you really have trouble finding actual food in the grocery store (its all junk) and places to eat.

          As Rene suggested Mag Oil could likely help here, but there are many other natural things that could also be tried too, especially things that help reduce stress/tension and/or relieve pain, there are really a ton of options and not just supplements of course Yoga, acupuncture and things like that too, top of my head on supplements are Rhodiola rosea, many teas incl. green tea, turmeric, ginger, fish oil, devil’s claw

      • Rene April 24, 2015 at 11:13 am Reply

        Hi Melissa, FYI: I have a severe case of TMJ due to structural issues wit my bite.
        I do wear a splint to position and add support where there is not….the magnesium oil actually helped me with this too……meaning that my body as a whole benefited. Again, avoid supplemental calcium other than food sources, or chamomile tea which is very mild source.

  8. Catherine April 24, 2015 at 1:04 am Reply

    Hi everyone, I wonder if anyone has had a similar experience to what is happening to me at the moment, or could possibly shed some light on what’s going on?
    Been bedbound now for 2 years, with multiple horrifying symptoms 24/7. The only glimmer of light was that I had a few days every month, just before my period, when I would feel very slightly better and life was bearable. The knowledge that those few days would happen enabled me to survive the rest of the month. But for the past two months, I have been feeling even worse premenstrually instead. I have no idea why things have suddenly changed after 2 years. But now I’ve lost the only better days I had, I don’t feel that I can take any more. If anyone has any light to shed on this I would be very grateful.

    • Rene April 24, 2015 at 10:54 am Reply

      Dear Catherine,
      I highly recommend that you have a hormone test run. Estrogen, progesterone, Testosterone, Pregnenolone, DHEA- S, FHS.

      Hormone balance and or deficiency are a major player in immunity, cognition, nervous system, blood sugar regulation, heart health, energy, & libido. Bio-identical supplementation can be an enormous help, in aiding a person who has chronic illness. You can contact your local Compounding Pharmacist(s) in your area and tell them you are looking for names of doctors that are regularly prescribing “bio-identicals”. This will help you locate them and then determine which of the names you have you think is your best choice. When calling the doctors office ask for the website address as well. This is so worth your time.

      I was helped tremendously by using plant based estrogen & progesterone Bio-identicals. I was low in everything…but within the first week I felt my whole constitution improve, and my appearance improved as a reflection of how beneficial and necessary it was to raise my estrogen & progesterone levels. I used a trandermal cream, that is very easy to use.

      I would not be surprised at all if you greatly improve overall by addressing this aspect of your health. You cannot recover without sufficient hormonal levels, and balance.

      God Bless,

      • Catherine April 24, 2015 at 11:49 am Reply

        Thanks Rene. Unfortunately I’m not able to afford any more doctors, tests or supplements at the moment, but will bear it in mind if I’m ever able to in the future.

        • Rene April 25, 2015 at 1:19 am

          Additionally, typical conventional MD’s do not look at the person. Therefore they go by the principle “one size fits all”. They are clueless about women……average ranges is NOT optimal range! So dont go by what they tell you, unless you are hearing it from doctors that actually prescribe nonidentical….and have a nice history with them a integral part of their practice.

          I have a hunch Catherine that this could be very helpful for you….your cycle is very significant and when you have your blood drawn: You must have it drawn between day 19- 21 of your cycle. This will be the most revealing to a doctor who is experienced.

        • Daniela April 26, 2015 at 9:42 am

          Gentle movement to keep the circulation going. Brings fresh blood to every part of the body.

          One or half day liquid fast. Gives system a rest.

          Remember: access to doctors and pills got us this way, so your situation might not be bad.

      • Jason April 24, 2015 at 1:21 pm Reply

        Hi Rene. I’m guessing regular doctor can’t test all of these, or some, and one has to go to a Natural-path or something similar?

        • Rene April 25, 2015 at 12:58 am

          Actually any MD can order these tests. Will they know what to do with the results….not likely. However you take the results…..your copy of all your lab work & those can be shared with a doctor who has as incorporated Bio identical -plant based hormonal supplementation into one of the main services of their practice. Compounding pharmacists are an excellent resource. If you have a resistant doctor than Whatever you need to say to the doctor to get them to order them….then say it. Females just say the cycle is irregular, or heavy….

  9. ursula April 24, 2015 at 2:56 am Reply

    Wanted to add, i think our gabba A receptors was fried up with these chemical poisons, so people in benzo withdrawal suffer with the same symptoms, so read http://www.recovery-road.org/success-stories
    , im not a medical doctor but a layman with a opinion – I dont go to doctors any more (thats just me), I dont know what im going to do if i must go to the dentist, by the way i still have mercury fillings, off cause they will tell you it doesnt do anything.
    Also read how dangerous drugs can be – beyondmeds.com
    i will try some epsom salt baths and mag spray, and can anyone tell me what they think of this purple rice, problem is i sit in RSA how do i get it? i cant trust any other suppliers.
    Thanks Lisa for this site, you once told me, Im also welcome on this site.

    • ursula April 24, 2015 at 5:18 am Reply

      this one didnt go through previously:

      i will introduce myself later when more time. Ursula 47 from South Africa. Excuse my grammar, english my second language.
      Im not a fluoroquinolone floxed person but a mefloquine anti malerial “floxed” person (the cousin med of FQ, also black boxed). 19 months post mefloquine, same symptoms as many here (tingles, pain stiffness, numbness, head pressure, cog fog, depression, adrinaline surges, weakness fatique, but not bed bound, DP, lightly tinitis, vision problems etc, Im better but still sick, meds I had to take (but hated it, but had to otherwise i would jump off a cliff) was ativan first 7 months , valoid first 4 months, stillnox first 5 months, but from there Im meds free, so now i think im in protracted withdrawal from benzo plus the brain damage done by mefloquine. I only drank 1 pill 250mg mefloquine but the half life is a month. in the beginning a had months with brain zapps, dizzy, after a few months i was off all meds, I even had 3 hours amnesia after 5 days of echinacea for a cold, thats crazy. Some say mefloq is floroquinolones on steroids. my symptoms started after 2 days. immediate anxiety insomnia. My sleep took 16 months to get to 8 hours. nightmares 16 months to stop mostly. Problem is I cant take any suppl or vitamins then i have more depress and anxiety for a few hours. To give some hope so long read these links. Just a quick reminder: Remember not to take doxicycline because another lady was floxed after cipro i think, recovered in a year’s time, then after 3 years or so took Doxicycline and floxed all over again few months now. but shes also on psych drugs now (that has its own side effects).

      Internet also many scary stories on mefloq, better not to read it. Another lady in my country took more than 5 years and her hubby took 4 years. he didnt use any meds later on, shes still on sleeping tab after 12 years, but remember to climb off benzo, sleeping tab etc can give 2 or more years of withdrawal. Another guy said his DP lasted 26 months.

      Recovery can take VERY long, the ones recovered in 2 years are very lucky.


      the last one is also from mefloquine.

      • Lisa Bloomquist April 25, 2015 at 6:13 pm Reply

        Lariam/Melfloquine is a nasty, nasty, nasty drug! It’s like a cousin to fluoroquinolones and many of the toxicity symptoms are similar. You are, of course, welcome in this community, Ursula! I think that we can all learn from each other.


      • Debs April 28, 2015 at 9:46 am Reply

        The connection between the antimalarials such as melofquine & the Fluoroquinolone antibiotics is the Quinoline ring. This is the nucleus for the FQs, it is also the nucleus for several antimalarials, Quinine , Mefloquine the 4-aminoquinolines & the 8-aminoquinolones. & non fluorinated Quinolones. All drugs with a connection to this nucleus, have very familiar severe adverse reactions which occur in various patterns & frequency according to chemical structure / modifications of the particular drug concerned, going way back in time to synthetic Quinine.

  10. Mike April 25, 2015 at 4:01 pm Reply

    Melanie let us know how your eye doc appointment goes. I am scheduled for next month at my optometrist. My vision is terrible now.

    • Melanie kemp April 25, 2015 at 5:34 pm Reply

      I sure will. I’ll also let you all know how the purple rice powder is helping. Started it today


      • Heather April 25, 2015 at 8:42 pm Reply

        Hey everyone, so I have had a lot of recovery but still have problems. One problem is swelling and fluid around my ankles. I’m 37 and my aunt asked why my ankles look like my grandmothers! They ache too. Any suggestions? Second is blood sugar issues. Oh and ladies I notice I big difference from my hormones I am going to try vitex to see if that helps. Any suggestions for blood sugar or ankle fluid greatly appreciated!

  11. tricia April 27, 2015 at 8:14 am Reply

    Does anybody know if meet raised in the middle east has antibiotics like they do in United States?? I’m leaving soon to take a vacation in Jordan for a few weeks w my daughter.
    I’m excited but just a little leery about the food and water….if anyone has any info that would be helpful!! Thanks:)

  12. Aimee April 27, 2015 at 2:23 pm Reply

    Thanks for all the replies to my vision questions!! Much appreciated! I’m looking into vision therapy…not sure if it will help, but I figure it is worth a try. On to another question, what type of magnesium does everyone use? I have been using Mercola’s Magnesium L- Threonate for about 30 days now and not really sure that it is the best one. Thanks!

    • Melanie kemp April 27, 2015 at 3:38 pm Reply

      Had eyes checked today because my vision has got so bad. Really nothing wrong. Both eyes are different as far as distance but the same for close up. Pressure ggod Took pics of back of eyes… great… ummm
      Told him about levaquin. He did say that many meds can cause issues but believed me. But all in all. Nothing crazy found.As usual. They feel dry but he said he didn’t see that but told me to get drops if I needed to.

  13. J April 27, 2015 at 5:32 pm Reply

    Anyone with diagnosis of small fiber neuropathy heal? I have tingling and prickling in both legs and feet. Nerve tests, including punch biopsy normal but subjective test by chiropractor said small fiber nerve damage. I would do anything to hear from others who had prickling/tingling/sensitivity and had it get better over time – would give me hope to keep pushing!! Thank you ! It seems like most heal from tendon /joint pain . I have healed from most neurological stuff such as memory loss, tenors, insomnia, anxiety etc. but at 17 months this final symptom won’t give up! Thanks to all- hoping for positive feedback rather than many telling me I’m doomed:) even if it takes another year I’m hoping toxic nerve damage can indeed heal.

    • Melanie kemp April 27, 2015 at 6:11 pm Reply

      I was floxed in 2010. Nerve tests normal. Pricking etc went away. Took I think about a year til completely gone

    • SM April 27, 2015 at 8:14 pm Reply

      I am in your shoes. 22 months and have PN, mostly in my feet. I cannot tell you you’ll be fine but I do have some thoughts.

      One, a diagnosis from your chiropractor is almost meaningless. There are tons of floxies who’ve had nerve symptoms for years and tested as normal on nerve tests, even a skin punch biopsy. Nerve symptoms doesn’t equal nerve damage necessarily.

      Secondly, my wife is very active on the FB group. She sends my positive and healing stories and comments several times per week. People recover. Sometimes after 2-3 years or longer. And they even recover with diagnosed nerve damage.

      I’m scared too. And there are many times I think I won’t recover. But, it isn’t reasonable to give up yet. We aren’t too far gone. Lots of people recover from PN and all the other crap.

    • Heather April 27, 2015 at 9:10 pm Reply

      Hi J, I am 2.5 years out and my PN is much better. Mine was pretty much body wide. The first year and a half was brutal for me every part burned. After that I started getting better. Not all at once but gradual improvements with less intense flare-ups. I still have some in ankles/feet mostly . It flares up from hormone fluctuations, but at a much lesser degree. I think my connective tissue in neck and between ribs may have some damage that may not completely heal though I haven’t given up! Have to figure out how to speed up the healing of that too.

  14. Lisa Bloomquist April 28, 2015 at 9:22 am Reply

    This was in my inbox –

    You know, when I post, I can never figure out how to start a new post. But I just posted in reply to one in my inbox. Perhaps you can find a way to make it more visible? I think it is important. This is what I wrote:
    I just got an email for Consumer Reports Best Buy Drugs, one of which was about sleeping pills. I am forced to take this at night because one of my side effects is breathing difficulties–almost to the point of feeling like I am suffocating. The couple hours “sleep” I get is the only reprieve from constant shortness of breath (along of course with the myriad other pains). I noticed at the end they said “we want to hear from you” so I went to their consumer report best buy drug page on facebook and wrote a paragraph on what I am going through. This is my second attempt to get them to do a piece on the fluoroquinolones. How about more messages to them please?

    • Mark April 28, 2015 at 10:07 am Reply

      Linda, I posted on their twitter:


      • Mark April 28, 2015 at 10:12 am Reply

        Please send Joe Rogan a message as well!




      • Linda Livingston April 28, 2015 at 10:55 am Reply

        thanks! I have more faith in a publication like this, because they actually seem to dissuade people from pharmaceuticals in lieu of other alternatives. (I don’t tweet, but thanks for doing that) And will send msg to Joe too

        • Mark April 28, 2015 at 11:39 am

          Thanks Linda let’s do this! :)

  15. J April 28, 2015 at 11:03 am Reply

    Heather- did you have any muscle twitching? Problems standing or walking?. My pain is all in my quads when standing or walking which to some people may not seem that bad since it’s not widespread but it’s REALLY bad pain. I can’t seem to figure out how to heal there. I stretch and try to walk but it hurts. I have done OT which rebuilt muscle but didn’t alleviate pain. Thx again!!

    • Heather April 28, 2015 at 8:08 pm Reply

      Hi J, I had nonstop twitching, fasculations which didn’t hurt, severe weakness and burning pain, stabbing pains,hot/cold sensations, numbness. I couldn’t stand for extended periods for a very long time, thought I would never be able to!. At first its was severe just sitting, then gradually if I was at rest it wasn’t to bad but couldn’t walk to much or stand for to long without more burning. I did not exercise at all for the first year or so, it was tough, I’m pretty young(37now) and had been in great shape. Then slowly started some walking and low key stretching. I can now walk a lot stand and get through normal daily activities without it acting up. I can walk a few miles and do 30 min couple times a week on elliptical and I’m fine. But I don’t push it, I really listen to my body. I do feel it in my joints if I mistakenly do to much and maybe some lowgrade PN(like a 3 out of 10) but nothing like before. Honestly I think diet and resting helped the most. The PN is super tough I iced a lot( not sure if that helped), heat made it worse when it was bad. I took a bunch of supplements but not sure if they helped or it was time. I still take supplements now. I sometimes get flare-ups, I notice from hormones/diet/ over exertion but like I said low grade pain not severe usually anymore.

      • J April 29, 2015 at 5:09 am Reply

        Heather , what you described are my exact symptoms after 17 months. I sm only 43 and was very active and athletic . I have started to reach the point where i can tolerate being at rest although the tingling/twitching still drives me crazy . I have two kids , a part time job and a dog (a new puppy which has done wonders for my depression!) so I can’t completely stop moving which is probably good .You have given me so much hope today- I cannot thank you enough. I was wondering if it would be possible to touch base directly with you via email (I don’t know how that works- if Lisa can give you my email?) to see what diet /supplements worked for you . I have tried a thousand different treatments including IV therapy – no idea what has worked or not . I totally understand if not and I know everyone is different, but our symptoms were very similar. Thank you again- I will keep hoping !!!

        • Jason May 2, 2015 at 8:36 am

          For Muscle twitching and pain in legs buy Ancient Minerals Magnesium Oil IMMEDIATELY. Many people are finding great relief from spraying this oil on their legs and other places (incl me), the body has been robbed of Magnesium and those are classic symptoms of exactly that. Make sure to start slow, as this oil is very strong, it may even sting the first few times you use it, and you may wake up a little tired or even dizzy if you put on at night and use too much. Start with like 3 – 5 sprays each leg, see how that goes. Then if tolerating okay after a few days work up to more, I also put it on my arms where tendonitis flares up, feet where I have issues etc.

          This is actually one of the MOST IMPORTANT things a Floxie can do, in my opinion. Magnesium is critical for the body it is in every single cell, and the drug ROBS your body of it which goes towards causing some of these nasty symptoms. Please note too all Magnesium is not created equally, nor will help equally, so if someone has tried MAG before with little to no effect its very possible it was not one of the better more absorbable forms of Mag, were not taking enough etc. Rene has posted many times how taking it transdermally (on skin) can be superior to oral as research shows this, but oral forms of the right Mag are great as well.

          People can read tons about this on the Internet, Dr Sircus (3 books lots of wesbite on Mag) and Dr. Carolyn Dean (also books and website) in particular have written a ton about Mag. Here is one article where Dean is talking about why Magnesium is stripped from the body when taking CIPRO http://www.vitamindwiki.com/Magnesium+update+by+Dr.+Dean+%E2%80%93+Dec+2013

  16. Mark April 28, 2015 at 9:39 pm Reply

    Act now people!

    Sam Harris is on Joe Rogan’s podcast tomorrow and asked what to talk about:

    Ask for Cipro ask for Fluoroquinolones common everybody don’t sleep on it. :/

  17. Mike April 29, 2015 at 7:43 am Reply


    I had an eye exam a little over 10 years ago because my vision was bad, photosensitive, seemed like I was missing parts of my vision… little did I know I was floxed from taking Levaquin for a sinus infection. I did not relate cause and effect. The eye doc said my eyes were fine so I moved on with life and eventually they recovered. I’m glad that they didn’t find anything wrong with your retinas.

    • Melanie kemp April 29, 2015 at 7:59 am Reply

      Yes Mike. I kinda figured nothing would be found. Maybe it’s a nerve thing or a brain thing. Frustrating. I had it last time to and it got better. Not even sure it’s worth buying the prescriptions

  18. Chris April 29, 2015 at 8:28 pm Reply

    Well, I tried taking a daily antihistamine to stop the daily reactions to foods, but I began having additional reactions to the antihistamine!

    I wonder if at least part of being “floxed” is due to leaky gut? Any thoughts?

    • Melanie kemp April 29, 2015 at 8:32 pm Reply

      I definitely think it does. Fix the gut and I believe many ailments will be solved

    • Jason April 29, 2015 at 9:05 pm Reply

      Hi Chris. While I’m quite sure leaky gut is not at all a “cause” of being Floxed, it is most definitely yet another potential symptom and issue for many people since taking ANY Antibiotics destroy both good and bad bacteria by definition. When your good bacteria count is down, it opens the door for the bad to run rampant, and leaky gut is just one of the repercussions of such a state. One of the generally recommended things to do ASAP after then is taking a good quality multi-strain Pro-biotic, you are looking for at least 10 strains and want a count above 10 billion per cap, higher the better.

      • Jason April 29, 2015 at 9:23 pm Reply

        I should note too that if someone has verified a leaky gut, which one of the manifestations of such is food intolerances, than there are many more things you will need to do besides just a Probiotic for sure, this is a nasty condition often brought on by Candida overgrowth and NOT easy to repair. Lots of info on the Internet about how to repair this but a good Probiotic is a good start

    • Heather April 30, 2015 at 7:43 pm Reply

      Try GI encap by thorne it really helps my gut heal if its acting up. I also take chewable digestive enzymes by davinci laboratories if I have larger meals

      • Jason April 30, 2015 at 8:51 pm Reply

        Thorne is definitely a trusted brand that make great supplements, and that one you mention does look good for Leaky Gut in particular

  19. Chris April 30, 2015 at 12:23 am Reply

    Thank you for your comments. I was recently told about purchasing a quality Probiotic (not settleling on a less effective, lower cost supplement). I’m hoping to find the best program to follow. From what I have read thus far, It seems it will probably take at least a few years to recover.

  20. Jason April 30, 2015 at 10:45 am Reply

    Hi all. There has been some talk about Gaba, pain relief, and Benzo’s on this page and I wanted to make a quick post about this and what has helped me in regards to these things and also for Insomnia.

    We know some of the negative CNS effects Floxies experience are due to interference with our GABA. Here is a little info on GABA: GABA or gamma-Aminobutyric acid is the natural alternative to benzodiazepines. It regulates anxiety, muscle spasms, depression, and chronic stress. GABA depletion can lead to chronic pain, illness, panic attacks, crying, back pain, rapid heartbeat, insomnia, neck pain, difficulty breathing, headaches, suicidal thoughts, and death.


    Quote from above ” In conclusion, our findings suggest that clinically observed CNS adverse effects of fluoroquinolones could be mediated at least in part through interaction with the BZD-GABAA-receptor complex and may be controlled by BZD agonist administration”

    The study linked to above, finds that some of these negative effects could be mitigated through taking Benzos. Obviously this is not a great course of action, fighting fire with fire so to speak (yet another chemical based drug with some very nasty effects, Lisa mentioned a couple above), and of course there are more natural ways to positively effect GABA receptors:

    – GABA – Now foods makes a Gaba supplement, I am currently taking this and Gaba is also one of the ingredients in a great sleep supplement I found. This supplement helped me yesterday when I had a terrible case of brain fog brought on by a Mercola Whey protein bar (which contains Glutamate by nature, and has the opposite effect of Gaba), I took the Gaba and an hour later my Brain Fog was largely alleviated. I just started this supplement recently so I can not speak to how it might help a Floxie in other ways than Brian Fog or Sleep, but it seems it sure could.

    – Valerian Root – Can use as a supplement and/or Tea. This is also in my sleep supplement and I have used the tea as well and it works. Valerian interacts with the benzodiazepine sites in the brain by binding to them, and this increases the availability of GABA in brain cells

    – AOR Brand Ortho Sleep – This is a GREAT sleep supplement that works excellent for me and has many helpful ingredients including: GABA, L-theonine, L-5-Hydroxytyptophan, Melatonin, Valerian Root, Passion Flower, Lemon Balm. Not sure if available in USA or other places which is why I listed ingredients so hopefully people can find something similar

    Noni (Morinda citrifolia) – I have not used this to date. A study published in the August 2007 issue of “Phytomedicine” found that an extract of noni fruit showed a preference for binding to GABAa receptors, enhancing the availability of GABA and producing sedative and anti-anxiety effects.

    Dong Quai – I have not used this to date. A study reported in the November 2006 issue of “Phytochemical Analysis” found that an extract of dong quai root contains two organic compounds, gelispirolide and riligustilide, which can bind to GABAa receptors

    Gotu kola (Centella asiatica) – I have used this but only in small amounts, I would be more weary of this one due to the glutamic acid link noted in study: A study published in the September 2007 issue of the “Canadian Journal of Physiology and Pharmacology” found that gotu kola increases GABA levels in the brain by stimulating glutamic acid decarboxylase, an enzyme involved in the production of GABA.


    All of the above directly effect Gaba in some way. Here are a few more helpful things:

    Tart Cherry – Find a good quality supplement and/or juice concentrate, not cheap crap full of fillers. This will help some with pain relief, joint pain, and with sleep as it promotes Melatonin production. I am using this in both concentrate and supplement form and it helps

    Magnesium – Tons already said about this, helps with sleep, pain, PN, and much more. The oil is probably the most effective for pain relief and alleviating PN, spray on where needed. I am taking roughly 6 different kinds of MAG and it helped/helps a lot.

    Turmeric – I posted about this and a few other things further up page for pain. As was recommended by someone here rub directly into joints, muscles and tendons for INSTANT pain relief (but beware it is very messy and will stain clothes and other things). I tried this and it worked excellent.

    Hyland’s Calms Forte – This is homeopathic medicine to aid sleep, I use it combined with some of the other things above and it seems to help. (I’ve never taken it alone so its hard to tell how much it works as opposed to the AOR option which I know does)

    A. Vogel Absolut Arnica – Fast acting pain relief for muscles, tendons & joints and helps to reduce inflammation. This is a GREAT natural alternative to Voltaren, which works but is another NSAID and chemical based garbage. I am using this currently and it works.

    Hydrotherapy – I made a long post about this close to bottom of last page. I find just using the cold water and ice part of it works for reducing inflammation, pain relief and can shut off PN as well. I find this VERY important for me since I have suffered from tons of inflammation, tendon and joint issues even before I was Floxed, it really works.

    Hope that helps some of you, the ones I use definitely help me :)

    • Elizabeth April 30, 2015 at 2:06 pm Reply

      I just posted after you asking for some ideas on things to try. I had not yet read your post. I’m glad I did! Thank you for the list of suggestions you provided. I’m going to try out Valerian right meow for my anxiety.

  21. Elizabeth April 30, 2015 at 1:57 pm Reply

    Hi I have some questions. I was prescribed a month of Cipro. Last night was day 14 and I stopped taking it. My symptoms from it are extreme fatigue, insomnia, anxiety, and depression. The depression and fatigue being the worst.
    I take many supplements and I hope that I’m on the right ones to keep my body supported as I get this Cipro out of my body. I have Chronic Fatigue Syndrome and I do not need anything else piled on to my health problems.
    I’m scared of what might happen…is it possible I might not have more symptoms? Might my symptoms go away on their own? I keep having major anxiety attacks knowing now how scary this drug is. I don’t like reading about it. People say the effects can come on at any point in time even afterwards.
    What else do I need to do/take to get this out of my system? I am on a pretty high dose of magnesium. I already was but I increased it while taking Cipro. I eat mostly healthy also.
    Anyone have some tips/thoughts to put my mind at ease? To stop these anxiety-producing thoughts? I know that my own thinking is making thing worse, the last thing I want to do.
    Thank you!

    • Jason April 30, 2015 at 4:48 pm Reply

      Hi Elizabeth. I guess my post above was timely, definitely things in there can help the insomnia, anxiety, and depression. Yes definitely keep worrying to a minimum, and try to avoid the worst horror stories for sure. I can attest to the fact personally that worrying can make things worse, and many others here will too. Definitely no point in worrying what “might” happen also, all you can do, is what you can do, so make a plan and then execute it and then know you are doing your best and definitely don’t worry please. Also avoid Caffeine, in chocolate, coffee, tea etc there are many reasons for this like screwing with Neurotransmitters etc but its just bad for anxiety too. Like you I also had many issues before I took these pills including what seems like CFS, and I also panicked a little at the beginning and did non-stop research to try and avoid as much damage and additional issues as I could, and it worked out for me and hopefully will for you too.

      Now more info, Rene posted a very good long post for new people on the very bottom of the last page, please review this. I posted some things that can be done in addition to those also last page, here is a copy:

      – Definitely read some of the healing stories on this site, and some of the other info like blog posts and even go over the last 4 pages of comments. LOTS of helpful info has been shared all over this site.

      – Avoid Fluoride at all costs, in water, toothpaste, drugs, teas, and many other places, I made a very long post on last page about this. Please read that post carefully, some good general advice on what can be done to help remove Fluorine and probably some of the rest of this drug too (since it is attached) but note aggressively detoxing is not recommended for anyone having a “severe reaction”. Here is the link from that post: http://www.earthclinic.com/fluoride_questions_and_answers.php This is written by Jason Uttley who believes Fluoride is responsible for Fibromyalgia, and cured himself by using the methods listed in that link (that is his protocol). Many others have followed this and had success as well, including myself with this drug though I also did many other things to help. Some of things mentioned by Rene are also in there, the body is being stripped of some of these things and in a weakened state, supplementing can help

      – Probiotics. Good bacteria is killed off by anti-biotics which lets the bad ones take over and has many many bad effects like ruining your immune system in general, Candida, Leaky Gut and more. Probiotics can bring things back into balance.

      – Likely best to avoid exercise, saunas and even massages, but this advice depends largely on the person and where they are in their recovery. These 3 things are excellent for normal people, but can mobilize the toxins in large amounts in people like us. Also note as Rene said tendon/muscle tears and ruptures can and do happen to some people. The mobilizing of toxins can have many bad effects if the person is not prepared for them, and/or already suffering and/or do something like this too soon in their recovery. This leads to the next 3 points:

      – “Helping to prevent damage”. The body naturally produces antioxidants, but is now in a weakened state and is overloaded with junk so its a double whammy, we need to help it. Vitamin C, Gluathoine as Rene said both very important. Also Selenium, this helped me greatly and is recommended by many sources. You can also take Vit E and Astaxanthin for a multi-pronged approach if you feel you need it (I sure thought so and did it)

      – “Soaking up the toxins”. The body will naturally detox these things, but again for most people is overloaded now and we can help it in several ways by consuming things that will bind to the toxins helping them to exit and prevent damage. Eats foods high in fiber and sulfur, fiber is very important here. Spirulina & Chlorella can work well but you need to ensure you are buying “clean” products, as they are very absorbent they can be polluted from the get-go if not. Drink Chlorophyll Lemon Water, this is a great combo that has many benefits. Baking Soda can help with symptoms and other things. I don’t know much about this one, but I’ve seen activated charcoal recommended for binding to toxins. I also use Clay to bind to toxins, but there could be potentially downsides for it.

      – Support your Liver, Gallbladder and Kidneys to efficiently remove this crap from body.


      I know this is all going to seem like a tall order and information overload, and it is going to be for most, but just as Rene says many pull through it. The Wahl protocol helped Terry Wahl overcome MS, an incurable disease, and has been reported to help people here as well, well worth buying the book, I did and lots of great info in there on many related things.

      • Jason May 1, 2015 at 8:42 pm Reply

        Actually, Jason Uttley took 2 months worth of fluoroquinolones and then developed Fibromyalgia (an IMPORTANT detail I forgot to add), after which he then determined he had fluoride poisoning, amongst other issues. Once he determined that, he made a plan to cure himself, and it worked. Since then, Earth Clinic features his story, info and protocol prominently since it worked for him, and as I said many others have had success doing the same thing since then, including myself

        Here is a good little article detailing some basic info about these drugs. http://quickhealthnotes.weebly.com/fm-fluoroquinolones.html

        The important thing to take away from this is not all the negatives and bad effects, but that there is a way to help yourself heal. A LOT of info on Earth Clinic, its a good website see link in post above to look around that site.

    • Heather April 30, 2015 at 7:49 pm Reply

      Hi Elizabeth I’d start on coenzyme q10 if you aren’t already taking it

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  23. Karla May 1, 2015 at 7:41 am Reply

    I was wondering if anyone takes a multi-vitamin, if so which one? On another note, my eyes are still very dry. The eye doctor said they haven’t improved and haven’t worsened. His recommendation in the future would be to try Restasis or the tubes that go in your ducts? At this moment, I’m not interested in either. Has anyone here had success with Restasis or the tubes?


  24. Melissa May 1, 2015 at 8:11 am Reply

    Karla ~ I was wondering the same thing about the mulit-vitamin. I was just floxed at the end of February. I was on Restasis about five years ago. I really did not like it I found that it made my eyes itch (sort of like pink eye). My dr told me to continue with the and it would get better. The reason I stopped is that my insurance did not cover it. I could not afford $200 every couple of months for eye drops. I have talked to friends who love it. On of the FQ FB message boards a few weeks ago, there was a discussion about it. I cannot remember all the comments right off.

  25. Jason May 1, 2015 at 10:06 am Reply

    Hi Karla and Melissa. Dr. Mercola makes a pretty good multivitamin, and for “maintaining” a normal “healthy state” I would recommend it. Note however that no one here fits that description, and there are many other things I would recommend someone do first and instead of a multivitamin. I say instead, because a person does not want to take too many pills at once and overload the liver, and I consider the other things more important. Please see my last 2 posts just above for what I think those are, of course this is only my opinion.

    • Jason May 1, 2015 at 10:31 am Reply

      Not sure what happened but I just had a post get nuked. I wanted to note that Xtendlife make an excellent vitamin and years ago when I compared ALL the top brands they came out on top. Good ones are not cheap, and these are no exception, but there are a couple ways to get discount from them. They are based in Australia IIRC, charge USD and ship free on orders over $60

      They make a tailored vitamin for Women and then another for Men, each having very specific things to help each sex, and there are many many great ingredients in each one. Here is the link to the Women’s version:


      Note I had to fudge the link to get it to post. Please replace “dotcom” with .com

  26. Karla May 1, 2015 at 2:58 pm Reply

    Jason and Melissa, thanks for your responses. I asked about the multi-vitamin because I purchased the Fluroquinolone Toxicity Sloution Book and it mentions starting a good multi-vitamin. I’m new floxed myself. A little over a month. Just trying to do all I can. This site does offer some really great support!

    • Jason May 1, 2015 at 9:27 pm Reply

      Hi Karla. Please email me at: awdboosted95 at yahoo dot com Put FQ toxicity in subject

      I would like to share an important document with you

  27. Mark May 1, 2015 at 6:21 pm Reply

    Very interesting podcast:

    Especially since the aging problem is so closely related to the Fluoroquinolone side effects (mitochondrial damage and repair).


  28. Jason May 1, 2015 at 9:20 pm Reply

    I leave you all tonight with yet one more story of healing, from our very good friends at the Earth Clinic. As they often are, a VERY dramatic story, and there are hundreds there. It was stories like these that convinced me to, at the very least, use the things they did.

    I REALLY urge people to go to the Earth Clinic link I posted about 8 or 9 posts up, and read that entire page, and see what it recommended near the bottom (and please do explore the website, and the many cures and stories there). Remember this guy who wrote that particular page took 2 months worth of Fluoroquinolones, developed Fibromyalgia, did a ton of research and then cured himself.

    Here is the story:

    Posted by Fluoridefree (San Diego, Ca) on 05/28/2012

    I’d like to say thank you so much to God for answering my prayers and thank you EarthClinic for helping to save my life. I have been so miserable with muscle pain, muscle twitching, jaw pain, constipation, dry eyes, dizziness, stomach pain, depression, anxiety, headaches, fatigue, itching all over even in my ears, pain under left shoulder blade, muscle contraction, and the list goes on. I have been terribly ill for over a DECADE. I have seen numerous doctors. At only 23 years old, several years ago the best advice one docter could give me was to start walking with a cane. Most docters wrote me off as a hypochondriac or tried to put me on anti-depressants.

    I’m a yoga teacher, so I’m very in tune with my body. I just knew it wasn’t “all in my head”. I tried several different remedies on EarthClinic through the years and tried cutting out many different foods thinking I had a food allergy. It literally felt like I was allergic to every kind of food. However finally after constant prayer, a very patient husband, and years of research; I figured our that my sickness had worsened significantly in 2008 when parts of San Diego began putting fluoride in the water. The intial exposure came from growing up in Indianapolis, IN. And I became extremely sick in 2011 after the birth of my daughter (anesethia has fluoride) and when all of San Diego County started fluoridating their water.

    After just one week of avoiding as much tap water as possible in food and drink and using a pinch of borax in reverse osmosis water, I feel like a different person. This IS a miracle! I had gotten to a very dark place. Even with the birth of my daughter, I had lost the will to live with so much pain. Just a heads up though, there have been several times where I took Lugol’s iodine and the detox symtoms were utterly unbearable. Blessings!

    • Elizabeth May 2, 2015 at 5:25 pm Reply


      Do you drink borax? Is the herx rough?

      I so much appreciate all the info. I’m trying to wrap my head around all this stuff all while my brain is like scrambled eggs.
      I’m so exhausted that I can barely even write back. I started getting sicker 10 years ago when I started getting UTI’s. Had to quit school and work and now I’m pretty much in bed all the time. I thought it was bc my body was trying to fight off the chronic infections but after this time, I think it might have been the antibiotics.
      I don’t even remember what all I was going to say. I don’t sleep well now. I’m depressed. I’m so tired that I haven’t been able to wash my hair in weeks. Yuck. Before I went on Cipro, I was trying very hard to work on the health of my mitochondria. I feel like I’ve not undone everything I had worked for.
      It’s hard work to try to bounce back from illness when you don’t have the energy to do it. Excuse my negativity. I’m just having a really hard time right now. I know my brain chemistry is off as well so my viewpoint has less sunshine that normal.
      I think mainly I came on to ask you about the borax and then ended up complaining. Haha whoops.
      Again thank you so much for your replies and insights. It’s kind and generous for everyone to be so helpful.

      Be well-

      • Linda Livingston May 2, 2015 at 5:55 pm Reply

        Elizabeth, no need to apologize. I know, as many of us do, what you are going through. I too am exhausted, depressed, sleeping about 2 hours a night (only with a pill!) and all the usual aches and pains and numbness–but I also have near-suffocating breathing problems and chest pressure. (all because I was given cipro for a simple UTI along with prednisone for asthma. Devastating.)

        But this is what I want to say. I don’t know what you have/haven’t tried, but what I would urge you to do is find a good naturopath that does IV drips. No matter what you ingest or put on your skin, there is no way to match the potency/efficacy of something being put directly into your bloodstream. (E.g. magnesium has been suggested to help remove the FQs but there is no way you could swallow enough magnesium pills to equal what you can get in an IV drip.) I have been doing this for only a month (I go twice a week) and even though my worst side effect—that chest pressure and breathing–is still there, I have seen a difference in both some of the numbness in one hand and excruciating back pain, which used to be hours every day and now is just a few times a week and not as severe. It can get expensive–generally not covered by insurance—but for me it turned out to be the only answer. You might want to post what state/county you are in and ask if anyone can refer you to a naturopath, or have people in your town ask around.

        • Jason May 3, 2015 at 12:36 am

          Hi Elizabeth and Linda, so sorry you guys are suffering this drug really sucks. :( Definitely no need to apologize as Linda says, no one should have to go through this crap, it just plain sucks there is no ifs, ands or buts about it. There is HOPE though, please always keep this in your mind, people heal all the time, in time.

          I have not done any IV’s, so can’t speak to them, but they do help some people (and yet not everybody, just the way this goes unfortunately, so many variables) Linda that is great it is helping you. Note that the Magnesium Oil is likely more effective than pills as stated, see my prior posts on that, honestly Floxies are being robbed of so much Mag that multiple doses of Mag and multiple forms is what I did, and really what I recommend. I am drinking Magnesium Bicarbonate Water (VERY cheap and easy to make, supposed to be excellent for absorption at the cellular level), using the Oil, and taking 4 different forms of Mag orally, throw enough spaghetti at the wall some is bound to stick right….


          Borax – I honestly think this helped me a lot, and still helps. I started drinking it maybe a week after being Floxed (and discovering that it has worked for others) and I STILL drink it even though I am ~95% healed now. I really did not have much of a Herx from it at all, but my 22 or so symptoms at the worst of my poisoning are quite different than yours so likely I am not an accurate gauge that can be used here. Some people definitely report a herx effect, but IIRC I don’t think it is that bad and I don’t think it lasts more than 2 or 3 days, BUT don’t quote me on this, my memory is horrible. Also note, I was taking many things to help me NOT suffer detox effects from all the things I was doing (exercise, Sauna, Iodine, Borax) like Baking Soda is reported to help, Antioxidants, and things like Clay, Spirulina, etc to help soak up any released toxins. These things are VERY important for any detox program, detox by nature is mobilizing toxins stored in the body and hopefully eliminating them, if someone is newly floxed and suffering a lot they don’t even need to mobilize them because they already likely are, but otherwise you want to mobilize it little by little, and you really want to protect your cells from damage when this happens (antioxidants, anti-inflammatory, alkaline body) then you want to soak up the toxins with absorbent materials in order to help them not be re-absorbed and eliminated instead (these are all things I talked about in posts further up page). To me, ALL of these things are an important part of the process from all research I have done for any detox and from a logical standpoint as well, so I did them all especially for this nasty drug. It was not foolproof, however, some days I had some very nasty flare-ups of symptoms especially after excercise like PN and pain in legs especially and it “seemed” like nothing I did helped, but it likely was, its just this damn drug is so strong.

          If I was you, though this is very easy for me to say, I think I would definitely try it since it is the most popular used “cure” at Earth Clinic for FM & CFS type issues. Definitely do some reading at Earth Clinic about it either way, and maybe even post over there are see what some people there think, they are much more experienced with it than I am. What I do to make it, is a combined approach for a couple of reasons including flavor (which is still poor). I put the juice of 1 or 2 lemons, with 1 TBSP Chlorophyll, with 1/4 TSP of Himalayan Sea Salt, with 1/4 TSP Borax all in 2 litres of Water, then drink it throughout the day. The Salt and Borax are main things, I added the other 2 for even more benefits and to help flavor. I also took Boron in a multi-mineral supplement. I can’t remember what is recommended to start with, 1/8 or 1/4 TSP, but I worked up to close to 1/2 TSP at one point.

          I hope you try some of the things I recommended for Sleep, I suffered from intermittent bouts of Insomnia before this drug, so imagine what happened after I took it. Those things REALLY helped me, and still do.

          I know exactly what you mean about a lack of energy and motivation, I’ve been suffering from Brain Fog for 25+ years, and still do, today was another awful day exhausted and despondent all day no will to do anything its such a struggle when this happens, honestly I was just fine too in morning until I had a #*#^*#*#&ing shower (excuse my french but my water is heavily intoxicated and it really frustrates me combined with the fact that sometimes its just so random and complex that I can’t pinpoint all the causes). Part of me doesn’t want to “fight” anymore, it really doesn’t at times, I’ve tried so many things, but damn it I know there is hope, if only Doctor’s weren’t so damn useless and NP’s so greedy. Anyway sorry that is my little vent to try and say you are not alone here, and we all must stick together to help ourselves though this.


          Brian, one of the people here, posted about his experience with Borax on the last page. What he reported I also seen many others report as well, that it really helped with their mental clarity. Unfortunately for me, I don’t think it helped in that regard but its hard for me to tell as I consider myself a very extreme case and the weird thing is my Fog did not really get that much worse after the Avelox I took, maybe a little only, possibly because I started doing things to help immediately after last pill not sure.

          Anyway here is Brian’s post from last page, note he only used it for 6 days:

          “I had extreme mental side effects in the first days after being floxed. I started drinking Boron water and all of the mental stuff went away within days. I am still left with the physical symptoms, PN, tender tendons, joints cracking and popping. I’m two months out from 7 days of 750mg Levofloxacin. My theory was that fluoride crosses the blood/brain barrier and the boron might remove enough to help. It seems to have worked. I was scared to take the boron (Borax) for a number of reasons, but I felt I had nothing to lose. I took 1/8 teaspoon borax and 1/8 teaspoon sea salt in one liter of filtered reverse osmosis water. I sipped on 1 liter per day throughout the day for six days. I’ve had no anxiety or anything since and my head is clear as a bell. Now it must be said that I’m not a doctor and I’m not advising you to do what I did. I took a risk and, who knows, I may have damaged something. I just want to share my experience because this site and others have been so valuable to my recovery.”

        • Jason May 3, 2015 at 8:10 am

          Correction, actually I think I use more like 2 or 3 TBSP Chlorophyll which really helps with flavor (you can buy mint or apple) but also has many other great benefits. Note that I don’t remember for sure the “conventional approach” they are using on Earth Clinic for timing and the amount of time someone should do this, and it probably varies a little person to person, but IIRC I think you want to drink it 5 days and then “rest” 2 days, then possibly repeat, length of “treatment” probably depends on person and results they are getting.

          I just did a little more reading to refresh my horrible memory and herx is highly variable just like so many other things, some people get it, some don’t, Borax helps some people, not others, there are just so many damn variables.

          Note they are using Borax for many many things on EarthClinic and not just for helping to remove fluorine/fluoride and other things attached to it. Quote:

          “An effective supplement, borax is gaining popularity in everyday use. The compound is effective for treating a variety of different issues and preventing several other conditions. Borax is considered an antimicrobial compound, a fungicide, anti-inflammatory, and detoxifying agent. As such, the substance is effective for preventing the accumulation of fluorides and other toxic substances in the body, removing parasites and bacteria, treating molds and other fungi and chelating the system of heavy metals. Borax also stimulates the production of important hormones and stabilizes calcium, copper and magnesium levels in the body to inhibit calcification. Sodium borate is also effective for treating a variety of specific ailments. As an anti-inflammatory agent, borax effectively treats arthritis, gout, swollen gums and other inflammatory diseases. Additionally, the substance eliminates infection such as bladder infection, urinary tract infection and others. It has also been used to treat cancer, obesity, high blood pressure, arterial disease and osteoporosis.”

          I don’t know exactly how accurate that above statement is taken from the main Borax page, but you can see, due to the wide reaching nature of its potential capabilities, herx and results are going to vary widely person to person due to their specific ailments among other things. Here you can find “Ted’s” recommendations for Borax, like dosage, length of use etc and much other info, please see the “Ted’s Table of Contents” on the right http://ted.earthclinic.com/remedies/borax.html Ted is the most respected and probably the most knowledgeable user on EarthClinic from what I can tell.

        • Jason May 3, 2015 at 8:21 am

          Here is a VERY interesting read about how using Borax can cure Arthritis that I know I have linked before probably a few pages ago. “The Borax Conspiracy, How the Arthritis Cure has been Stopped” http://www.health-science-spirit.com/borax.htm

          This is written by Walter Last, who has a VERY interesting background and has written books on healing, and shared lots info on Internet etc. Quote”

          WALTER LAST combines the training and work experience of Research Chemist, Biochemist and Toxicologist with that of Practicing Nutritionist and Natural Therapist. He was born and grew up in Germany and has held positions in medical institutions at the Universities of Greifswald, Cologne and Munich, working in research and toxicological investigations. He was Chief Forensic Chemist at Cologne and worked at Bio-Science Laboratories in Los Angeles. In 1970 he settled in New Zealand and dissatisfied with drug-based medicine practiced as a Natural Therapist. He has lived in Queensland since 1981 and has investigated and experimented with a wide range of natural therapies to improve the effectiveness of natural medicine in treating serious and medically incurable diseases.

          Walter Last is the author of “Heal Yourself”, “Healing Foods” and “The Natural Way To Heal – 65 Ways to Create Superior Health”, which is now available in e-Book and print form as “Heal Yourself – The Natural Way”. He is the main contributor to the “Self Help Cancer Cure” book. Walter Last has spent almost 40 years researching health issues. His knowledge is based on sound scientific principals and up-to-date information on the causes and ‘cures’ of diseases, especially the number of metabolic illnesses which beset society today.

        • Jason May 3, 2015 at 8:55 am

          Here is a even a little more about him taken from an interview here http://www.the-heal-yourself-series.com/TheWalterLastStory.html that I couldn’t resist posting, since I consider what he is saying EXTREMELY important and accurate. Quote:

          “Walter Last: In my article Is Most Disease Caused by the Medical System? I show that indeed most of our present diseases are caused by our medical system and by the wrong messages spread by health authorities. These same people would also (and are already) deciding what is being taught in school. Children would only be told the same messages that caused the chronic diseases in our society, and also how good and effective medical drugs are and how ineffective and dangerous natural treatments are. Conventional nutritionists only represent the medical associations and health authorities, not what natural therapists believe in. Health education in schools is only good when the whole system changes in the way Rudolf Steiner started with the Waldorf Schools, and when naturopaths can teach about health. At present it is best if children learn by example from their parents.

          Walter Last: The general reason for the epidemic spread of chronic diseases is that we abandoned living in harmony with nature, and instead lead stressful lives surrounded by a multitude of toxic chemicals. This is especially obvious in our food production and healthcare, and has also polluted our water and air. However, the explosive increase in modern chronic diseases started 50 to 60 years ago with the widespread use of ANTIBIOTICS. Because these are commonly prescribed and used without fungicides and probiotics, most people now have the wrong kinds of microbes in their intestinal tract, and have been invaded by Candida and other microbes and parasites. Instead of correcting this problem, sick people are just given more toxic chemicals as drugs and so continue to deteriorate. The other main reason is our capitalist system, which makes it so very profitable for the medical-pharmaceutical system to produce as many chronically sick people as possible, while natural healing methods are discouraged because they are not very profitable. ”


          I REALLY like this Walter last guy, he speaks the truth :) I just went and acquired his book, “Heal Yourself – The Natural Way”, and it is VERY comprehensive, and covers probably everything he has learned over those 40 years of research.

          The Human Body is incredibly complex, and this goes into great detail about Natural ways to help and heal it so very useful for a Floxie, as is the book written by Dr. Terry Wahls, the Wahls Protocol, another outstanding book that every Floxie (and any person really) should read.

  29. Daniela May 2, 2015 at 10:39 am Reply

    This is “someone” who recommended powdered turmeric applied directly for pain.

    For anyone interested, it’s an old remedy from India. The powder purchased elsewhere may or may not work. If not, try the actual root.

    Staining however is probaby a good sign as that might indicate a high concentration of turmeric in the powder. And the powdered turmeric is so inexpensive, I would recommend it first of all.

    Just use a pinch, rub it in. It really doesn’t take much. A tiny pinch has an incredible healing effect on even a sprained ankle.

    There are so many things readily available and very cheap as opposed to all these costly supplements. I recommend that everyone first investigate what is free or cheap because it might be a very long process and you should watch your funds. So beware of advice to go to another website and make purchases. Looking to pills is what caused the problem in the first place!

    • Jason May 2, 2015 at 11:21 am Reply

      Hehe sorry Daniela that I could not remember it was you, I really don’t have a memory left at all :(

      I think I asked you before about the staining but you didn’t respond, is there any effective way to remove these stains from clothes that you have found?

  30. Daniela May 2, 2015 at 11:33 am Reply

    The stains fade eventually with normal soap and water but it does take a few washings.

    Patience is my best recommendation.

  31. Mark May 3, 2015 at 1:17 am Reply

    Please comment:

  32. J May 3, 2015 at 8:14 am Reply

    If people get through this why is there so much negativity on the Facebook site? Seems like the only people posting are newly floxed or people with long term issues. I have been going on hoping to get information but each time feel more scared and worried I won’t heal like many on there . Has anyone else needed to step away from the boards and not let others stories scare them?!? I wish there were more people coming on the sites with more recovery stories . That’s what keeps us going ! I loved B’s recovery post on this site as it listed recovery posts . Would love more of these !!!

    • SM May 3, 2015 at 8:56 am Reply

      J- I was on the FB group last summer but was losing my mind. There are a lot of newbies and long term floxies. I could handle seeing all those 3-4-5 year people. It freaked me out. I left the group. My wife is part of the group and sends me positive posts. I totally get how you feel.

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