Welcome to Floxie Hope


This site is to give HOPE to those who are suffering from Fluoroquinolone Toxicity Syndrome as a result of being poisoned by fluoroquinolone antibiotics – Cipro, Levaquin, Avelox, Floxin, etc.  It contains stories of healing.

Cipro, Levaquin, Avelox and all other fluoroquinolones are dangerous drugs that can have devastating effects that cumulatively I’ll refer to as Fluoroquinolone Toxicity Syndrome or Floxing.  Fluoroquinolone Toxicity Syndrome/Floxing includes damage to connective tissue (tendons, ligaments, cartilage, fascia, etc.) throughout the body, damage to the nervous systems (central, peripheral and autonomic), and more. The damage done by fluoroquinolone antibiotics can destroy a person’s quality of life or even kill them. Certainly, there is a time and a place for drugs with dangerous side effects. If you find yourself in a septic shock induced coma, fluoroquinolones may save your life. Unfortunately, these drugs are not being reserved for life or death situations. People are being prescribed them for urinary tract infections, suspected prostate infections, upper respiratory infections, as a prophylactic for travelers’ diarrhea, ear infections, pink eye, etc. Thousands of people have suffered needlessly from the devastating effects of fluoroquinolone antibiotics, when another, safer antibiotic could have, and should have, been used.

The damage done by fluoroquinolones is largely unacknowledged by the medical establishment and an accurate diagnosis, compensation and relief are difficult to come by. There is no known cure for Fluoroquinolone Toxicity Syndrome/Floxing.  However, many people continue to LIVE after being poisoned by fluroquinolones.  They find healing, recovery, perseverance, compassion and hope.  These are their stories.

This site is meant to give hope for healing to those who are adversely effected by fluoroquinolones.  It is no way meant to disregard the pain of those who are chronically suffering from the horrifying effects of Cipro, Levaquin, Avelox or the other fluoroquinolones.  There are people who don’t recover.  Their stories are real and they matter.  There are also people who are able to recover and I share their stories with the hope that they inspire others, or at least give hope that recovery is possible.

Here is a New York Times article about the dangers of fluoroquinolone antibiotics – http://well.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/09/10/popular-antibiotics-may-carry-serious-side-effects/?_r=0 – more news stories, research papers and other resources can be found on the “Links and Resources” page.

Here is a Facebook group that is a great resource for those going through Fluoroquinolone Toxicity – https://www.facebook.com/groups/floxies/

[This site is about Fluoroquinolone Toxicity Syndrome, Floxing, cipro side-effects, levaquin side-effects, avelox side-effects, floxin side-effects, fluoroquinolone antibiotics, antibiotic side-effects, dangerous drugs, cipro danger, levaquin danger, avelox danger, cipro reaction, levaquin reaction, avelox reaction, floxin reaction, Cipro recovery, levaquin recovery, avelox recovery, floxin recovery, recovery stories, fluoroquinolone poisoning, adverse drug reaction, healing, hope, and any other keywords that are important. :) ]

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4,945 thoughts on “Welcome to Floxie Hope

  1. Jason February 20, 2015 at 3:51 pm Reply

    Hi all. Just was googling and found this link, potentially good news here for some at least, probably not news to some survivors but likely will be to others:


    I have trouble believing sources that ALSO sell related products, but note the 128 references to studies and such on the 3rd page, seems pretty comprehensive and its not the first time I have read these things either.

    Some summarized points:

    Mitochondria are the cellular organelles that power every energy-requiring bodily process.

    – Researchers recently discovered that signs of age-related mitochondrial damage appear nearly a decade before the onset of permanent DNA damage.

    – They also found that mitochondrial decay and dysfunction are REVERSIBLE.

    – CoQ10 speeds mitochondrial electron transport, increases energy production, and protects tissues from mitochondrial decline.

    – R-alpha-lipoic acid further supports mitochondrial energy production.

    – Acetyl-L-carnitine “feeds” energy-releasing molecules to mitochondria, improving their efficiency and preventing damage

    • Carnosine is a nutrient comprised of two amino acids. It’s a natural antioxidant and anti-glycation molecule proven to reduce reactive oxygen and nitrogen species resulting from chronic glucose exposure, while also binding to potentially dangerous metal ions (chelation). These features make it attractive as an anti-aging, anti-Alzheimer’s agent.110-112

    • Luteolin is a flavonoid with potent anti-inflammatory effects.113,114 It directly inhibits AGE formation at early, middle, and late stages in their development—more powerfully than standard chemical AGE-inhibitors.115,116 It also directly counters the sugar-induced mitochondrial damage caused by reduction in a survival protein called Bcl-2.117

    • Benfotiamine is a fat-soluble form of thiamine (vitamin B1). Its higher bioavailability allows it to strongly increase glycation-fighting thiamine levels in blood and tissues in normal people and in people with either type 1 or 2 diabetes.118-120 Benfotiamine powerfully reduces AGE production and damage to vascular endothelial cells under high-glucose conditions.121,122 It blocks three distinct pathways of sugar-induced tissue damage to protect against retinal damage in diabetes.123

    • Pyridoxal -5’-phosphate (PLP) is the biologically active form of vitamin B6. It is a powerful inhibitor of both protein and fat glycation.124,125 Glycation reductions by PLP are credited with reducing sugar-induced blood vessel and kidney damage from diabetes.126,127

    • Eurico Cancela March 3, 2015 at 11:40 am Reply

      Hello , I’m Portuguese , last April, took the anti- biotic ciprofloxacin , the sixth day , my body collapsed , dry mouth, no appetite , not sleeping , dry eyes, spasms throughout the body , lost weight 14 kg , memory loss …………….. now I am recovering slowly , took the supplement Magnesium L- Threonate , and stopped using fluoride , excuse my English.

  2. Jason February 20, 2015 at 3:59 pm Reply
    • Jason February 20, 2015 at 4:31 pm Reply

      Ok last one and another doozy, including how to Decalcify the Pineal Gland (very important for us who have been floxed)


      References at the bottom, there is much more info out there too

      • rene February 20, 2015 at 8:47 pm Reply

        You will be interested to learn about: SODIUM BICARBONATE
        Sodium bicarbonate is effective in treating poisonings or overdoses from many chemicals and pharmaceutical drugs by negating their cardiotoxic and neurotoxic effects.[8] It is the main reason it is used by orthodox oncology – to mitigate the highly toxic effects of chemotherapy.

        • Jason February 21, 2015 at 1:07 am

          Thanks Rene you bet ya. Been using Aluminum free for about a year to help with a few things, main one was to Alkaline my RO water, but I also read similar to what you posted, and also that it helps when detoxing Fluoride and other garbage.

          The only negative I find is it disturbs me sleep greatly which is a bummer. I find I can only sleep 5 hours and then wake up and can’t get back to sleep. If I stop taking the SB, after 4 days or so I sleep better again :(

        • rene February 21, 2015 at 1:45 am

          You do have to be careful regarding long term use & dosage….This area I am less experienced with….however that disruption of sleep is no doubt telling you to back off.
          You may just want to drink some Perrier or San Pellegrino…..
          I would stay very conservative with this and research thoroughly you may want to hold off before adding MAG trandermally so not to confuse this picture,……the mag may mitigate and fill in the missing piece?

        • Destruida los Restos February 23, 2015 at 1:03 am

          Often, if you have a sick goat, she can be saved by a licking a little soda bic from your hand. Salt, too, but most people know that. (Actually, I s’pose most modern don’t know it. What a world.)

    • Jason February 20, 2015 at 5:41 pm Reply

      Anyone ever wonder why they are having a relapse after exercise?

      http://www.tldp.com/issue/202/Notes_Fluorine.htm (references at the bottom)

      Quote “During sauna-based detoxification, and during heavy exercise, fluorine appears to mobilize from body stores. In sufficient quantities, such dumping can cause the symptoms of acute fluorine poisoning and have serious consequences. The fluorine re-entering the circulation can cause acidity (possibly hydrofluoric acid or related compound). Several measures have been found helpful adjuncts to sauna detox and general alleviation of fluoride-intoxication symptoms”

      Don’t forget Fluorine is attached to all the other poisons in this drug. I experienced this the last 3 days myself after feeling well enough to exercise, well the Avelox in my system said “yeah right, you aren’t well, and your especially not going to be after this….”

      Today the tremors, sore tendons etc are calming back down again (upped my Selenium and other levels to help), but it sure isn’t nice having to go through this because the #^$*(&$ing Doctor did not warn me of potential serious consequences of this poison.

      Note the comment on acidity. I have been very acidic in general for years and didn’t realize it (RO water while clean and FL-free, is VERY acidic becareful) and if this is accurate explains a lot, acidity will cause inflammation, in total its one big sheeet storm waiting to happen. Anyway assuring you are alkaline and eating alkaline etc should help

      • Melanie kemp February 20, 2015 at 6:23 pm Reply

        Yep. Happened to me. 3.5 yrs doing great til i started working out. 9 months and still recovering

        • Jason February 20, 2015 at 7:27 pm

          Damn sry to hear that. What an evil drug that is built to not only screw you over, but to keep you that way since exercising is good for you in so many ways, and this is pretty much a big deterrent. The only good news I think we can take from this is it means the junk is being extracted out, and eventually flushed out, but what a nasty process. :(

        • Melanie kemp February 20, 2015 at 7:49 pm

          Yes. It had changed my metabolism so much from always being slim..never more than 138 to after flox jumping up to 170 and it was fast.I had to do something but to my detriment. I have a floxy friend that relapsed after 6 yrs because of excersise. I mean come on..this is just ridiculous.

        • Jason February 20, 2015 at 8:40 pm

          Holy crap 6 years and then wham. That is discouraging. My opinion is we need to slowly but surely detox this crap out, and help the body to do so as since was stated, it can be a REALLY slow process otherwise. I mean people do recover right? I wonder the % of people are who are relapsing, and how often and how long it goes on?

        • Melanie kemp February 20, 2015 at 10:06 pm

          She actually said she was in the best shape of her life. Had always walked miles every day. She went on a weekend hike. 25 miles total i think and then started running. So this is somebody that was pretty fit.

        • rene February 20, 2015 at 8:41 pm

          Again my thoughts are that releasing fluorine or heavy metals into a system without the necessary biochemicals to support and handle this very heavy burden will make you worse. Exercise will increase lactic acid…..if deficient in MAGNESIUM than the burden is far too great…..you use up magnesium daily, stress, exercise, medications, chronic illness,….and your deficient right out of the gate….it is not surprising that athletes and those of us who do moderate exercise are able to perform better when magnesium is replenished.

          Range of muscle movement is better, muscles respond better, respiration is better……

      • rene February 20, 2015 at 8:44 pm Reply

        MAG will help with the PH…..please look into soaking your feet in Sodium Bicarbonate….Baking Soda….2 table spoons in foot bath. or bath tub.

      • Michael Teeter February 25, 2015 at 7:09 pm Reply

        I knew that was the connection!

  3. John February 20, 2015 at 4:01 pm Reply

    Thanks to those who respondedto my earlier question a few days back. i am currently in the process of having hormones checked as someone suggested, i have extremely low testosterone, which i dont know is because of the floxing or the floxing has highlighted my low T. I will not take T bc im scared of potential floxing interractions and will try other natural alternatives. If anyone has dealt with this dilemma please chime in. Also, to piggy back on an earlier post, i also wonder if ive cheated some yrs off of my life, which wouldnt matter, but ive got little people who are counting on me. Both sets of grandparents lived well into their 80’s and one is 93, my dad worked in construction for 40 yrs before retiring and looks young for his age.I also wanted to express how sad our med system is that i have to come to this forum for answers and cant ask a medical professional this question about testosterone, without them percieving me as looney for even suggesting the concern of fq’s altering my system, maybe i should send my $15 copay to Floxiehope instead!

    • rene February 20, 2015 at 4:26 pm Reply

      Hi John,
      Yes I too had low testosterone…..as I did Thyroid T3 T4, Estrogen, and Progesterone. I did not nor would I consider using pharmaceutical replacement….I Did use and use Bio- identical hormones which are made from plants. Made a meaningful difference for me.

      No you are not cheated years off your life, don’t bother entertaining those thoughts….it is a waste of life to do so……I urge you to Not allow your thoughts to be consumed with anything that does not speak to things of LIFE, recovery, restoration, healing, love, hope, love. You need to steward your thoughts and words to all things good…and not destruction. This is a significant part of the battle if you will, to counter every crummy thought or idea that creeps in daily..with a bold and committed declaration that you will keep your faith rooted in God who is the Alpha and the Omega. This junk is man created and man is not as brilliant as he believes himself to be…in spite of that, God seems to be so vast that just trusting in him gets you through the darkest valleys….in spite of how it looks and feels. Things do get better and yes it does feel like a biblical journey. So root yourself in him, and turn your back to the thoughts of doom n gloom. This is a challenge that speaks to more than just a good attitude….but a leap of FAITH. There is so little of it these days, and that has weakened the spirit of all us….but for those that actively decide to root themselves steadfastly in it the walk is fortified with a spirit that defies the circumstances and hardships that we navigate.

      I was in a wheel chair for 2 years and crutches….I am not anymore. I Praise God for that.

      • tricia February 20, 2015 at 6:33 pm Reply

        Rene, I love your post and I agree with every word. im only three months out, but during this whole time I feel like that is exactly what this journey is….a leap of faith. I didn’t die, I am still alive and well. I have to know that despite all the fears, pain and suffering, this too will all pass :)

  4. rene February 20, 2015 at 10:22 pm Reply

    The DENTAL issues with teeth since big floxed appears to also be linked to the Magnesium Depletion /Defiicientcy…..Damage to teeth, as well as to bones and to soft tissues, were among the findings reported from the earliest magnesium deficiency studies. Kruse et al. (1932) found that rats surviving severe magnesium deficiency for 10 weeks had loose molars and incisors.Further data on the abnormal periodontal soft tissues were provided by H. Klein et al. (1935). Brittle, chalky teeth (loose in their sockets) were noted by Watchorn and McCance (1937) in subacute magnesium-deficient rats.

  5. rene February 20, 2015 at 10:25 pm Reply

    Leonard and Scullin (1969) and Leonard et al. (1971) have proposed that in soft tissue, where the concentration of magnesium exceeds that of calcium, the formation of MgATP inhibits calcium apatite formation. This group has demonstrated that the local magnesium/calcium ratio influences calcification of tendons (in turkeys) and that egress of magnesium precedes the onset of calcification (Leonard et al., 1976). This is a physiologic maturation process in turkey tendon. It seems plausib1e that low Mg/Ca concentrations in soft tissues, and in articular and periarticular tissues, might similarly participate in calcification, and that a higher magnesium concentration might inhibit it.

    HERE it is: Calcification without MAGNESIUM being properly replenished……that can occur anywhere in the body……not just tendons…..the lungs, the heart……

  6. Peter February 20, 2015 at 10:49 pm Reply

    I like you post above Jason, it sounds hopeful. I hope it’s true.

    I’m so lost on what is going on with my throat and am wondering if it’s auto immune now or what. Those white pus balls are back and my tonsils are swollen. So white chalky mouth and spreading, but with white pus on the tonsils. Dry mouth at times too. Frustrating nit knowing and killing it. Been gargling nonstop. Honey, tea.

    But, here’s hoping this new year brings some relief and cures for everyone and myself.

    • rene February 20, 2015 at 11:35 pm Reply

      Hi Peter,

      GARGLE with Warm water & SEA SALT! often.
      I think you need to soak your body in MAGNESIUM CHLORIDE BATH SALTS….based on all that I have written as of late. Worth doing, becuase you have a systemic issue which is manifesting or expressing itself through the glands…..If this sounds silly or obnoxious to keep on about it as I have….it is driven by the research which is something like 355 pages of science…..which is really resonating very strongly. i cannot make a case other than what I have posted already which is just a sliver of what the science is…..but get some baking soda….non aluminum and soak your feet in 2 table spoons….and a small pinch of it in drinking water……you are very very acidic…..and the ALKALINITY will help you.

      Add 1/8 teaspoonful each time you take the sodium bicarbonate in half gallon of water…..Not indefinitely but for a week or two……..

      Look into this Sodium Bicarbonate to increase alkalinity.

    • Destruida los Restos February 21, 2015 at 12:14 am Reply

      Peter, have youj tried using bicarb of soda for your mouth? You say you’re gargling – not with a proprietary gargle, I hope.

      • Destruida los Restos February 21, 2015 at 12:16 am Reply

        I’m sorry, Rene, I hadn’t seen that you’d just suggested bicarb. Great minds..?

        • Daniela February 21, 2015 at 5:31 pm

          What is the French site you consult

      • Peter February 21, 2015 at 8:16 am Reply

        I will try both of these, thank you Rene and Destruida.

        I have been doing the salt water maybe 6-10 times a day especially around eating. Not noticing a change except now i have pus again. I also have a major dry mouth throughout the day and just nasty feeling in my mouth in the morning and after brushing, which i believe is a result of that stupid z pack that again didn’t cure me. Two antibiotics in a row i felt i needed and neither helped, only made me worse. Frustrating.

        But I’ll check back in later. Going to try and enjoy my day today.

        • Destruida los Restos February 23, 2015 at 1:18 am

          I think 6-10 times a day is too much salt gargle.
          I’ve been very stressed and have got run down; I’ve had an outbreak of shingley, German measley spots all over legs and terribly painful mouth ulcers.The varicella will go if I ignore it, but I’ve tried several things for my mouth and the one that works is bicarb.I poked the powder into the worst places, as dry as possible, and only rinsed and spat out enough not to swallow much, as that’d give me a stomach-ache.
          It may not work for you, but it’s worth trying.
          I find that salt and acid arethe worst things – only bland foods are all right until my nouth has healed.

      • daniela February 21, 2015 at 11:13 am Reply

        quel est le site français?

    • lastiic February 23, 2015 at 9:06 am Reply

      The pus balls you’re talking about are common in the general population and have nothing to do with fluoroquinolones. It’s a tonsilitis. Go see a doc. If you have recurring tonsilitis, you may need to have your tonsils removed which as you may know, isn’t an uncommon thing either.

  7. rene February 20, 2015 at 11:13 pm Reply

    I just want to drive the significance of the Trans dermal Magnesium Oil from a science view to piggyback what my experience has been: All info is copy pasted ad hoc for bits that ar relative tho the meriad of sytemic issues that have manifested:

    Newbies pay close attention!
    The lack of intracellular MAGNESIUM sets up the stage for the pathogenesis for disease…….so bypass that problem and the FDA while your at it……

    A) Approximately one half of the magnesium contained in the body is stored in the bone, while the rest exists in the soft tissues mainly in the intracellular
    compartment with less that 1% being present in the extracellular compartment (Elin 1988). Indeed, magnesium is the second most common cation in the intracellular compartment after potassium.

    B) Magnesium is able to cross the BBB Blood Brain Barrier (Sacco et al.,2007), and it is transported via the barrier with a net flux from the blood into the parenchyma. Active magnesium transport from blood to the extracellular fluid of the brain is evidenced by its higher concentration in the cortical extracellular fluid than its concentration in the plasma-­‐dialysate or cisternal CSF (Bito, 1969)

    C) Magnesium administration attenuates cell death due to cytoskeletal alteration (Saatmanet al.,2001) and reduces apoptosis and the expression of p53
    following TBI (Lee et al., 2004). Thus its
    administration rectifies the decline in intracellular Mg 2+ levels and cellular functions
    (Saatman et al.2001)
    D) In experimental closed head trauma, treatment with magnesium restores the polarity of astrocytes, in terms of aquaporin-­‐4 distribution, to a “preinjury state ” (Ghabriel et al.,2006). A similar protective effect for magnesium was demonstrated in induced hypoglycemia (Kayet al. 2001). This indicates replenishing of magnesium in the extracellular space of the brain.

    GOD is good.
    Amen, and God Bless

  8. rich February 21, 2015 at 6:22 am Reply
  9. Daniela February 21, 2015 at 9:19 am Reply

    I just had a dental xrays, exam and cleaning last week. One of my teeth just cracked!
    I’m the person who developed horrific vertigo when I was injected with septocaine and it has not gone away. Help!

  10. SM February 21, 2015 at 9:42 am Reply

    Rene- A question for you or anyone else. I’m about 20 months out. I just started with an ND and recently did a blood test that is supposed to measure the leveled of micronutrients at the cellular level. This includes magnesium. Would you expect, then, that most floxies would show up as deficient on that test? It apparently measures the level of nutrients in the white blood cells. Thanks!

    • rene February 21, 2015 at 12:49 pm Reply

      If that is the Spectracell test it might….not sure. I do know that testing for intracellular mag is not the best and not all that one would hope for….However becuase I thought I was amply supplied by the oral amounts which were high for several years……but then when began the transdermal method and the benefits were so evident that was quite an eye opener….

      The change in my skin, and muscles was really stunning… the calming effect, the vastly improved sleep, even my digestion improved….so it was revelatory and extremely validating in that all that I had been investing in was the right direction, but the details of “form” and deployment, and need were just enough off that I was not really addressing the need. My experience is that it is a big one to address as a base foundational support.

      • SM February 21, 2015 at 5:22 pm Reply

        Thanks, Rene. I’ve started using a lotion. I find it easier to apply than the “oil”. It’s worth a shot! :)

        • rene February 21, 2015 at 11:31 pm

          I think a good policy to use conservatively when starting….The lotion is Not as concentrated as is the MAG OIL…(from Ancient Minerals) The MAG OIL states 8 sprays = 100 mg.

          I did a whole body treatment for the First 5 days…2x’s per day…..the number of sprays was likely 25-30 which would approximate: 350 mg AM & 350 mg PM……After that first 5 days, I dropped the number of sprays to: 15 sprays /approximate: 200 mg 2x’s per day.

          The reason I did this was becuase I could see my skin improvement and overall sense of need seemed to curb less…..I felt that a lower trans-dermal intake needed to be lowered due to a sense of relaxation that had set in too.

          The IMPORTANT thing to remember is that the ideal is not a specific dosage…..BUT what YOUR Body Needs. Not to exceed that either…..Looking to replenish not tip the scales to an exaggeration of bombarding the cells with more than is needed or too much. You dont want to drive a low blood pressure response.

          I also found that a small deficiency can be very meaningful in my health but that did not mean I needed to take a lot. The point being that the trans-dermal deployment is an excellent way to address the deficiency Because of the effective absorption so the need for HIGH dosage as I had used orally was no longer an issue. I had been taking 600mg Orally without experiencing the calm, and relief of my muscoskeletal system, hydrated skin, energy.

          I hope this adds some clarity for those that are choosing to find out for themselves the effects of Trans dermal MAG OIL.

          The detox that can occur is also a possibility which is another consideration. Conservative and reasonable and trusting to allow the body to progress at is pace with the right cues. I am a fan of gentle…slow….low…..and adjusting as needed.

          God Bless,

        • jimmy March 3, 2015 at 8:05 pm

          sm, are you on FB?

  11. rene February 21, 2015 at 2:32 pm Reply

    To any & all check out this link Re: The MEDICAL SYSTEM & OUR KIDS….The movie is called “BOUGHT” ….it is free for just 5 days……but then can be viewed on line by purchase.


    God Bless,

  12. Jason February 21, 2015 at 3:25 pm Reply

    Looks like the newest Superfood, Healthranger approved, it actually might do your Mitochrondria and DNA some real good. Read more here:



    • Destruida los Restos February 22, 2015 at 4:17 pm Reply

      I wouldn’t eat any phytoplankton or microalgae from any sea or ocean nowadays. It’d be a great way to absorb extra toxins. Lotsa luvvely nuclear waste, petrochemicals, heavy metals and more.
      The spirulina in Dr S’s is from deep spring-fed inland lakes.

      • Jason February 22, 2015 at 9:12 pm Reply

        Yeah the good phytoplankton is not grown in the Seas/Oceans either

        • Destruida los Restos February 23, 2015 at 5:13 am

          Oh, sorry, I didn’t know.That’s good. I do wonder how there’ll be any clean places left, with so much demand.

  13. Daniela February 22, 2015 at 10:00 am Reply

    Can we use diphenhydramine as anesthesia?


    • Daniela February 22, 2015 at 10:15 am Reply

      This is also called benadryl.
      Another alternative is benzyl alcohol. Any experiences with either of these?
      To repeat, I had an immediate reaction of vertigo to septocaine at the dentist’s that has never gone away and am looking for an alternative. Another tooth of mine has cracked :(

      • Daniela February 22, 2015 at 10:58 am Reply

        Personally I would prefer no anesthesia or something truly natural, but I cannot find a dentist willing or able or experienced enough. They insist upon something chemical so I am trying to find the best compromise — while in pain!

        • Destruida los Restos February 22, 2015 at 2:59 pm

          Hi Daniela, poor you, how horrible. I’m sorry I haven’t kept up with answering you and other poeple- I’ve been having a horrendous time from a large number of vociferous, stupid, spiteful, fifty-faced internet idiots – manipulators and bullies. It’s been going on on through December, January and February, ever since they knew I’d brought home a thin, broken-legged dog. It’sbeen grinding me down and doing dreadful harm to me and to the dog they roetend to care about and am still not free of it and that’s whuy i haven’t been able to think much about anything else. (They won, which makes it worse.)
          I know that acupuncture can be used instead of chemical anaesthetic; I’ve read many exmples of people having serious operations and staying conscious and pain-free all through by using acupuncture; it’s been tried in mainstream hospitals an’ all.
          I’ll try to pull myself together and be more helpful to people who deserve it more.

        • Daniela February 22, 2015 at 3:34 pm

          Des, Do you mean people on the internet are harassing you? They can be very cruel as they are hidden. If you are blogging about health or animals, they might also be shills trying to wear you down. If they tend to use the same vocabulary, it may just be one same person over and over! I don’t blog, but simply reading comments sections makes me feel bullied often. That’s why I like to come here, I know there are people selling things occasionally but in general it’s very supportive on Floxie Hope.
          If you want I can post comments over there and chase them off you!

        • Destruida los Restos February 22, 2015 at 3:34 pm

          Is it a boid, is a plane? No, it’s SuperGoogler!
          Washington Acupuncture Center www. acupunctureflorida. com

          Yes, acupuncture is very effective when used for anesthesia during surgery. By stimulating certain acupuncture points during surgery, an absence of pain is produced and the patient is able to undergo an operation while remaining fully conscious. Acupuncture anesthesia was created in the 1950’s in China and continues to be used there today during most major surgeries. It is widely used in China for such complex operations as brain, heart, and abdominal surgery. It is popular in China because it is economical, practical, and beneficial to the patients. With acupuncture anesthesia there is less bleeding during surgery and, since the patient is mentally alert and able to communicate with the surgeon, the surgeon is able to judge operative results as the operation proceeds. There is also quicker post-operative recovery.

          Here’s the link – just close the gaps: http:// acupunctureflorida. com/how10.html

        • tricia February 22, 2015 at 7:51 pm

          Daniela, I’m facing the same issue. I have a dentist appt this week, my first visit in 6 years!!! I know I prbly have tons of cavities among lots of other things. I’m terrified of anastesia, but my question is: don’t patients have the right to refuse medication? If you’re willing to go through the process w no anastesia, why should they care? My insurance only covers one dentist, and its pretty standard:( I’d be willing to find a dentist that uses acupuncture or hypnosis instead, but I don’t think there are any in the united states, much less Wisconsin, where I live ;(

        • rene February 22, 2015 at 10:43 pm

          Find a Biological Dentist!?

      • Destruida los Restos February 22, 2015 at 3:57 pm Reply

        I think probably/ possibly you could use diphenhydramine, as I’ve often read of floxed people taking Benadryl. Antihistamines in general are very well tolerated by most people and animals. However, we’re so sensitive and differently sensitive that i think it’d be great if you could avoid even that small risk by having acupuncture.
        Aha! Google ‘hypotherapy for anaesthesia.’

  14. Destruida los Restos February 22, 2015 at 3:35 pm Reply

    Google acupuncture for surgery anesthesia

    • Daniela February 23, 2015 at 8:44 am Reply

      I am in and out of dentists, at my own expense of course, and they all refuse. In the past, I refused anaesthesia and the dentists at least knew how to do it because they had trained that way, but these days, they seem to want the hard and fast knock out drugs, the antibiotic-empregnated pieces, etc, to make it easier on THEM.

      Oh, well. I don,t have pain unless I go to that side, so I’ll just hang in there and keep oil pulling. I was so clear when I had the cleaning last week that my teeth were weak and they needed to be super careful, so I am very disappointed. But what’s done is done.

      I bought a blender yesterday and I’m going to puree my asparagus — and everything else :)

  15. Melanie kemp February 22, 2015 at 5:18 pm Reply

    Hi guys.
    just a bit of an update on my relapse. This is month 9. Its been a really tough time but im ever so slowly recovering again. Now i dont know if ill get to whete i was before (99%) but anywhere close would be great. Gotta take whatever i. An get. Im no longer bedridden ir housebound. I dont go out a whole lot but i am able to drive and grocery shop and yesterday i went and bought a dress. My weight is slowly coming back. Id gotten down to 118 (from 170 ) Im at around 131 now. I believe the only yhing that helped me there was eating sauerkraut several times a day. Probiotics or enzymes didnt help me. I started gaining ince i vot on the sauerkraut. Its nit coming back as fast as it did when i originally got floxed in 2010 but i expect mynpoor gut was screaming ” not again” So ive had to work at it this time as im also.much more food sensitive than last time but thats getting a little better.
    my hair has finally stopped falling out.I lozt at least half and whats left looks like i stuck my finger in a light socket but its stopped. Thats all that matters. It will grow back in :-)
    I still have tingling all over. Im waiting on my ancient minerals mag as per Rene. Thanks Rene! !. Hoping thst helps with the tingling a d my skin. My skin has gotten slightly better. Its not dry and flaking anymore and isnt so rough feeling. I sti have my major complaint. My head pressure and tinnitus.Maybe the mag wil help. Not back at work as yet but that will come. I did groom a dog last week but decided im gonna wait.
    sooooo im improving be it at a snails pace but i see it. No more dry nose or mouth or ears. Eyes are still blurry on and off.
    Well i think thats it gang :-) For now!

    • Melanie kemp February 22, 2015 at 5:20 pm Reply

      Sorry for spelling mistakes :-)

    • Jen February 22, 2015 at 6:21 pm Reply

      Melanie, I’m so happy to hear about your improvements! I think it is very important to note the improvements however small they may be because they are improvements. I hope more improvements are coming your way! :)

    • tricia February 22, 2015 at 8:27 pm Reply

      Melanie that’s great news! Even if it is a slow process, the fact that your seeing some steps toward better health is encouraging :)
      The mag oil helped me a lot! Its not ancient minerals, but still high quality oil from my local co-op. I can be on my feet for a long time, walk around the neighborhood and even “run” very briefly when crossing st or chasing my 5 yr old, all with only mild to moderate discomfort, whereas before it was terribly painful !! I’m still pretty fatigued though: (
      Good luck Mel on your recovery…. Even if it takes a long time I know you’ll eventually return to “normal” health :)

      • SM February 22, 2015 at 9:58 pm Reply

        A question on magbesium. I have dabbled in oral and Epsom salts both over my 20 months. Neither of which made any difference. Maybe this is because it takes time? I’ve hear of some who notice a decrease in tingling within moments or days of taking magbesium. I’ve been doing 600 mg of oral mag glycinate (which I understand has a much higher absorption rate) and note noticed a thing. I don’t have digestive upset but there’s no positives either. I’ve just stared with transdermal mag but I’m wondering how long before one would expect to see a difference.

        • Destruida los Restos February 23, 2015 at 4:52 pm

          I found that A.M. oil helped immediately, but only for a short time. I had to stop using it, though, because the salt stung too much. I tried Epsom salts, which didn’t help at all. For me, magnesium made no dramatic difference,so I don’t think it’s universally as important as it has been for rene and I don’t think people should worry if theycan’t take it.

        • SM February 23, 2015 at 7:28 pm

          Thanks, Destruida.

        • Mark February 25, 2015 at 1:20 pm

          SM you’ll see minor improvements after about 2-3 months of 2×40 sprays per day on your whole body. Then these minor changes will stay as even magnesium isn’t a cure imho. (I used it since day 10 post Cipro 80 sprays a day together with a footbath and angstrom magnesium).

          Imo there just is no cure. There are just nutrients to ease the issues/detox and time to make you less nonfunctional if you’e lucky. But, at least imho, never 100% cured as in same as before.


      • rene February 22, 2015 at 10:42 pm Reply

        That is very encouraging news and useful information Tricia, that will likely progress over several months/year….Slow is good……Very happy to hear that. Mel that is also very encouraging…..I also had a snails pace of recovery, and decrease in pain……

    • SM February 22, 2015 at 10:00 pm Reply

      Mel- Glad you’re feeling a bit better. These little improvements do keep us going. Being in a stagnant state is so tough. Yay for you!

  16. Destruida los Restos February 23, 2015 at 11:12 am Reply

    This is the website of Jodi Bassett: http://www.hhhummingbirds.com/ and on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/HummingbirdsFoundationforME
    There’s a wealth of information about cells, nutrition, health and healing.

    • Daniela February 23, 2015 at 12:13 pm Reply

      • rene February 23, 2015 at 12:59 pm Reply

        An important consideration is that Milk of Magnesia / “Magnesium Hydroxide” has a relatively high percentage of elemental magnesium but has a low solubility in water, suggesting poor absorption. When in a suspension in water it is often called milk of magnesia, used as an antacid or laxative.

        The MAG OIL that is used for trans dermal usage is MAGNESIUM CHLORIDE. has a stability constant of 0 and is completely ionized across a large pH range, 2 (found in stomach acid) to 7.4 found in extracellular tissues such as blood and lymph. Magnesium chloride has the chloride part of its compound to produce hydrochloric acid in the stomach and enhance its absorption. This is particularly suitable for anybody with low stomach acid.

        The difference is an important one.

        • Daniela February 23, 2015 at 4:38 pm

          You don’t take milk of magnesia — if you follow the link, you will see that absorbable magnesium is freed by adding a capful of m.o.m. to chilled carbonated water, and waiting for the reaction to occur. It really sucks in the plastic bottle, and then you add some of the resulting concentrate to a bottle of water. It ends up tasting just like expensive mineral water!

        • Daniela February 23, 2015 at 4:47 pm

          “Erling Waller, a former afibber, and Jackie Burgess, both frequent contributors to the Bulletin Board, collaborated to develop a recipe for homemade magnesium/bicarbonate water that, in its composition, is very close to both Noah’s California Spring Water and Unique Water. The recipe is based on the reaction of magnesium hydroxide (in milk of magnesia) with plain carbonated water according to the formula Mg(OH)2 + 2CO2 —> Mg(HCO3)2.
          Plain Milk of Magnesia (MoM) should be used in the recipe. The “active” ingredient should only be magnesium hydroxide [Mg (OH)2], 400 mg per teaspoon (5 ml), and the “inactive” ingredient should only be purified water. 41.7% by weight of magnesium hydroxide is magnesium (Mg), so 5 ml of MoM has 167 mg of Mg, and 1 tablespoon has 500 mg of Mg (1 tablespoon = 15 ml).”

          “Magnesium dissolved in water (ionized) is considerably more bioavailable than is magnesium in solid tablets or capsules. About 50% of the magnesium contained in magnesium/bicarbonate water is absorbed[4,5]. This is 12 times better than the absorption rate for magnesium oxide. So drinking 1 liter of magnesium/bicarbonate water per day would correspond to taking five 500 mg magnesium oxide tablets daily.”

          It’s a great, easy, inexpensive thing for us to add to increase our magnesium.
          Just remember. Adding the capful of M.O.M. to one litre of seltzer creates a concentrate. Use 1:10 with fresh water — it really tastes like Apollinaris mineral water!

    • Destruida los Restos February 23, 2015 at 12:26 pm Reply

      When I was a child, I and many children were forced totake milk of magnesia once a week or if we weren’t “regular,” and/or syrup of figs, which wasn’t too bad, and every day a spoonful of wonderful, delicious Radio Malt – I’ve often longed for some since I was fluxified. Google it – I melt at the memory. You can still buy malt extract from Meridian. Many children had to have cod liver oil – ugh – and castor oil, but my mother spared us those.

      • Daniela February 23, 2015 at 4:50 pm Reply

        Don’t worry, you only use a capful for eventually more than 10 litres of water. The chemical reaction releases the magnesium. Apparently people with a fibrillation need magnesium too.

    • rene February 23, 2015 at 1:02 pm Reply

      This looks interesting. The bicarbonate with magnesium is not something I have used other than drinking Perrier or San Pellegrino. Thank you for the link!

  17. Daniela February 23, 2015 at 4:53 pm Reply

    Another dentist who says he never heard of using benadryl for anesthesia, only if you have an allergic reaction. I may have to study dentistry myself.
    I blended veggies with sardines and garlic, wasn’t too bad.

  18. Jason February 23, 2015 at 5:43 pm Reply

    Got a question for Lisa and any long time survivors. I’m suffering a lot of tendon and joint issues, especially in lower legs but other places as well. My joints were already not great but now I have joints cracking all over the place and places that never use to crack before

    – Do other people with these issues actually recover and play sports again? Does the damage actually heal or do you think some is permanent to joints and tendons?

    – Is it normal to have these painless shooting tremors shoot down my legs all the time? (seem worse at night, congruent with fluoride poisoning)

    – How often to relapses typically happen to the majority of people?

    I know the answers for these very wildly (esp 3rd one) and are dependent a ton of variables like how bad person was at start, how much they took, eating habits etc, but I am just looking for a little general insight (and hopefully, hope!) into what to expect here. Its only been about 3 – 4 weeks or so for me so I’m newly floxed here, and feel lucky so far after reading a bunch of the stories and see some of the comments. I can normally for the most part, but after a while like today my legs are sore near ankles. I exercised twice carefully and cautiously also, but one time my tendon got quite sore and the next time I paid a price of continuing symptoms for days after.

    Thanks for any insight here.

    p.s Rene, Mag flakes on the way thx

  19. Jason February 23, 2015 at 5:50 pm Reply

    Ah, that should say “walk normally” above.

    I went back to the Pharmacy today who gave me this poison, and got a copy of what comes with the Avelox and found out we don’t have any kind of “Black Box” warnings up here in Canada, which is utter madness and ridiculous. I will be having a long, nasty chat with Health Canada.

    • SM February 23, 2015 at 7:32 pm Reply

      Jason- Where are you from in Canada? I grew up in London, Ontario but now live in California. There was a video that is several years old I believe involving Mark Girard that was done by a Canadian news station.

      • Jason February 24, 2015 at 8:06 pm Reply

        I am in GTA area currently.

        If anyone has had ANY success getting their popping and cracking joints, to stop doing that in the long run, please post some advice how you did it

        • SM February 24, 2015 at 10:29 pm

          My popping and cracking joints just went away. Keep in mind I’m 20 months out. I feel like the first 3-6 months were the worst for that and my joints have improved over time they don’t crackle and pop anymore. When I used to wake up, it was loud and crackly when I walked. I didn’t do anything to resolve it. It just happened.

        • Jason February 25, 2015 at 10:32 am

          Thanks SM that is great news. My joints were already bad before taking this crap, so I won’t expect the same result, but at least there is hope that not all damage sounds permanent.

  20. CP February 23, 2015 at 8:08 pm Reply

    3 months ago had kidney stone. I blamed it on CIPRO…official adverse reactions clearly states Renal Calculi…10 days ago had severe abdominal pain…ER and was diagnosed with acute Cholecystitis; had urgent surgery. Told them if I never wake up from surgery let me die, but don’t give me Fluoroquinolones. Ever since being floxed three years ago, I had change in my bowel character, consistency and color… I wouldn’t be surprised if the gallstones are a byproduct of the dry syndrome we experience. Recovering well. Nevertheless, one week prior to the surgery, I was having relapse of my night sweats and I knew at that point the immune system was acting up again and would have either exacerbation of present aches and pains or new ones will manifest. Lo and behold, I have tendonitis in my eyes—slight ocular muscle movements trigger pain.

    • tricia February 24, 2015 at 2:21 pm Reply

      CP, sorry to hear about the surgery, hope all is well now. You mentioned you are three years out from being floxed. Have you improved or experienced some recovery since then?

      • CP February 24, 2015 at 6:32 pm Reply

        I have noticed significant recovery. There are ups and downs, but life is great!

  21. dana February 24, 2015 at 12:46 am Reply

    I was recently floxed a month ago I don’t recall ever taking cipro in the past however when I gave birth to my son while in the hospital they started me on iv antibiotics for an suspected infection now as the symptoms are surfacing I vaguely remember feeling Exactly like this after being released from the hospital I now wonder if the meds they were giving me cipro. I’m sure I’m in for a Hell of a ride but thankfully this site give me hope. I won’t list my symptoms because it’s much the same as most of you and I appreciate the uplifting purpose of this site so I don’t want to bring down any spirits with my sob story. Just wanted to add as I see it hasn’t been mentioned. The spice turmeric detox the pineal gland of fluoride. I must admit since starting it I have been able to sleep soundly and even have began dreaming again as I haven’t had a dream in the month since being floxed. It’s worth the research I feel much more relaxed since being able to get sleep.

    • Suzanne February 24, 2015 at 10:04 am Reply

      I’m wondering how much turmeric do you use? I use it but not daily. I’ll have to try it, thanks

      • Destruida los Restos February 25, 2015 at 5:55 pm Reply

        I suggest a rounded teaspoonful daily, but more won’t harm you andless will still help. Sometimes I have far more than that in cooked veg.

        • Suzanne February 25, 2015 at 6:07 pm

          Thank you!

  22. Jolea Jensen February 24, 2015 at 1:16 am Reply

    Hey, ya’ll. I just saw this website on-line. http://www.myquinstory.info/what-helps/ It has a lot of good info of what to tell your drs. after being floxed, etc.

    • Heather February 24, 2015 at 1:52 pm Reply

      Hi guys if your going to the dentist just for small cavities I’ve made it through without any anesthesia. Larger procedures I still don’t have an answer for. I did read about benedryl being used but haven’t asked about it yet. My dentist also knows no fluoride and he just uses pumice for cleaning. Also I did have food poisoning the other day and had to go to ER was scared of course. They gave me fluids and IV zantac. I was ok, I hate to have any medicine and did get a headache after but was dehydrated too. I also had nerve pain flare from the food poisoning but it went away.

  23. Daniela February 24, 2015 at 1:45 pm Reply

    Gin soaked raisins — 1 teaspoon (about 9) soaked in juniper derived gin (check the brand) for knees, hips and tendons.
    Perhaps one of the Brits can chime in?

  24. b February 25, 2015 at 1:47 am Reply

    I just talked to friend, who (she ) took over 500 (yes, five hundred) pills of quinolones. She ruptured her tendon last year during mild level sport. Also she has sth called ” fibred muscle”. She also had neuropathy and lots of nightmares when she was taking the quinolones.
    She is probably the one who is most able to tolerate quilonones that I ever know in person.
    I just told her about quinolone toxicity. After reading, she told me her problem might be related to quinolones.

    Everyone is different. But it looks to be very sure that everyone will be affected by quinolones once he or she has taken much enough.
    And people have different threshold of tolerance. And people recover in different speeds. And it looks possible for some people to recover and to tolerate quinolones again ( to some threshold, of course, and the threshold may be reduced by previous quinolones )

    • rene February 25, 2015 at 3:15 pm Reply

      Dear b,
      Do not ever think that taking a chemo-therapeutic drug is a reasonable choice for minor infections. These we originally to be prescribed as a last case resort for life threatening conditions. As you can see with your friend it is a game of Russian roulette…..and nobody should ever risk there health or life.

      God Bless,

  25. tricia February 25, 2015 at 3:46 pm Reply

    Well I just came back from dentist. Good news is no problems as far as dentist could tell.just have to go in next week for a cleaning. Bad news is, I was having an awesome week last week, much less leg and feet pain. Then yesterday I walked only a half mile on tread mill…and today everything hurts again: ( all this is so frustrating!! I feel like I’m back to where I was one month ago….

    • rene February 25, 2015 at 5:38 pm Reply

      This happened to me often….trial n error of finding out what your limits are and working them.

      I would measure the time/distance and then repeat it every other day…not advancing the time or distance till I had managed to establish a base that I do repetitively for weeks. It was not within my control, so I just honored what my body was able to do, and trusted that a slow increase was perfectly fine…………step by step.

      So yes, over several months, many months…..baby steps….using the MAG Oil to my feet and legs….wiping off after 20 minutes…. AM & PM. Helped with the rigidity & inflammation. Alternating the days of 1/4 mile walk….which for me was initially just being able to walk from apt, to car garage….

      • Jason February 26, 2015 at 2:33 pm Reply

        HI Rene. Got my Mag Oil today :) So I just put it on and noticed my skin is really dried out 5 mins after using. I also noticed that the instructions say to wipe off after use, and moisturize. Is this what you do? How long do you leave it on if wipe off?

        Thanks, between this and the tart cherry juice I just picked up, and the TMG I will buy later today, along with all the other things I am already taking, hoping to see some improvement in my joints, hoping…. (had nasty gout attack the other night, might have been ALA I took not sure, but boy I couldn’t get to the store fast enough to get that Tart cherry juice! Today is much better so far, night is the worst)

        • Jason February 26, 2015 at 2:38 pm

          Hmmm maybe if I had read your post I replied to…. LOL! So you leave on 20 mins and then wipe off. I bought 2 8oz bottles, one pure MAG high concentrate and one with lower MAG but also MSM. Also bought flakes, for maybe bath but also to make oil to mix in with the orig oils to make them last longer.

          P.s I don’t really want to wipe the Mag off, but it does seem pretty much fully absorbed and just a bit of a dry film left over. Maybe I will just use some moisturizer right over it what do you think?

        • rene February 26, 2015 at 5:05 pm

          I suggest you wipe it off, becuase of the repeated usage it will dry out your skin. I don’t know why…but my homemade mag oil seems to apply more easily? I cannot use MSM it makes me very ill…..becuase I have issues with using high amounts of Sulfur.

          I would make you own separate from the Bottled MAG OIL…to compare eventually. I too was salty white all over the first few applications…..but then that also diminshed each time I applied….then when it no longer appeared I did not wipe off. BUT DO WASH OF YOUR HANDS! Palms get very dry after repeated use.

        • rene February 26, 2015 at 5:07 pm

          Also, when you wipe off AFTER 20 minutes….the lotion is best applied. You also only want to use something like Coconut Oil….ie. nothing chemically toxic.

    • Jason February 25, 2015 at 8:07 pm Reply

      Hi Tricia. This is from my post near the top of the page:

      Anyone ever wonder why they are having a relapse after exercise?

      http://www.tldp.com/issue/202/Notes_Fluorine.htm (references at the bottom)

      Quote “During sauna-based detoxification, and during heavy exercise, fluorine appears to mobilize from body stores. In sufficient quantities, such dumping can cause the symptoms of acute fluorine poisoning and have serious consequences. The fluorine re-entering the circulation can cause acidity (possibly hydrofluoric acid or related compound). Several measures have been found helpful adjuncts to sauna detox and general alleviation of fluoride-intoxication symptoms”

      Please see the link for more info, and what to try and do to alleviate symptoms.

  26. Jason February 25, 2015 at 11:00 pm Reply

    Hi Fellow Floxies. I found what looks like a VERY important new supplement (Oh god I know, and you don’t want to know how many I am taking or $$ spent…)

    http://www.drlwilson.com/ARTICLES/TRIMTHYLGLYCINE.htm (see bottom for references)



    tmg (betaine anhydrous) is a chemical that occurs naturally in the body, and can also be found in foods such as beets, spinach, cereals, seafood, and wine. Betaine anhydrous is also used for treating high blood homocysteine levels, liver disease, depression, osteoarthritis, congestive heart failure (CHF), and obesity; for boosting the immune system; and for improving athletic performance. It is also used for preventing noncancerous tumors in the colon (colorectal adenomas).


    TMG (Trimethylglycine) is known to facilitate methylation processes. Methylation is a normal biological process that is critical for DNA repair, liver detoxification mechanisms, lipid metabolism, and the production of SAMe. It is also an important step in the conversion of homocysteine, a damaging amino acid, into a more friendly amino acid, methionine.


    To sum up all 4 links for you – It occurs naturally in the body and is good for: Possible DNA repair, Liver support and detox, formation of collagen, anti-oxidant, anti-inflammatory, Metal detoxing, alleviating depression, energy booster, lipid metabolism, methyl donor, speech and behavior in autistic children and adults, attention deficit-hyperactivity disorder (ADHD), improve neurological function, reduce seizure activity, handle stress, improves oxygen utilization, optimize athletic performance, improve immune response, shrink tumors, and to enhance anti-viral, anti-bacterial, and anti-tumor defenses. It has also been shown to benefit chronic fatigue syndrome, allergies, respiratory disorders, alcoholism, and drug addiction. In addition, it appears to help reduce serum cholesterol and triglycerides, and to help normalize blood pressure and blood glucose, it also helps restore balance to the autonomic nervous system. Its also used for osteoarthritis, congestive heart failure (CHF), and obesity; In short, it is quite amazing.


    HOLY SHEEEEEEET! Take a GOOD look at those, sounds like a magic bullet! Haha, I know, doesn’t exist, but still, buying me some pronto that is an amazing combination of benefits for someone who has been quin/fluoride poisoned, and just the first 5 alone make it worth it!

    Disclaimer – As usual I don’t recommend anyone do anything, except their own DD!

  27. Daniela February 26, 2015 at 10:51 am Reply

    BEETS might be good, Jason. As you were writing the above post, I was reading about beets having high boron, beets can decalcify the pineal gland, and if you are investigating ayurveda, beets are recommended for a vata imbalance (thin, cold, dry, anxious, overactive imagination). Lisa feels beets helped in her healing, too!



    • Jason February 26, 2015 at 2:06 pm Reply

      More good info thanks!

  28. Daniela February 26, 2015 at 11:12 am Reply

    BEETS might be good, Jason. As you were writing the above post, I was reading about beets having high boron, beets can decalcify the pineal gland, and if you are investigating ayurveda, beets are recommended for a vata imbalance (thin, cold, dry, anxious, overactive imagination). Lisa feels beets helped in her healing, too!

  29. Suzanne February 26, 2015 at 12:24 pm Reply

    Every time I go to get a drink of water, tea etc and have to drink costly bottled water, I get so infuriated about how flouride is added to our water without consent. Why should we have to pay, in so many ways, because they are afraid to own up to a mistake they made 50 yrs ago by saying we need it for dental health???? I have researched flouride removal systems, pitchers, etc and it is so expensive. Plus I’m paying for water I can’t drink! So many people have tried to get this changed and it just is mind blowing how they won’t despite knowing it is toxic and unnecessary. If professionals/experts in their fields can’t change it, how do we stand a chance? Ugh!!

    • tricia February 26, 2015 at 2:08 pm Reply

      I agree Suzanne. I was at the dentist yesterday and explained my terrible reaction to levaquin 4 months ago. I told him that during cleaning process, I wanted absolutely no flouride. He laughed at me, very condescending, and thought I was crazy. so did the hygienist. I was so infuriated!!! All it takes is for someone with a little bit of clout to get floxed… Like George Clooney or Taylor Swift. If that happened, I’m sure massive amounts of money will be poured into FQ research….

      • Jason February 26, 2015 at 2:13 pm Reply

        So much ignorance out there, and so much money being spent to keep people that way too. Its really sad, the more I learn about Food, drugs, Government, and everything else the more I realize that line from the Matrix wasn’t kidding, “Ignorance is bliss”. (won’t keep you alive, but boy my attitude would be different)

    • Jason February 26, 2015 at 2:10 pm Reply

      I agree with all this, what REALLY pisses me off, is I can buy RO water fairly cheap where I am, BUT, it is highly acidic. :( So there is that issue which I didn’t realize, but what REALLY pisses me off is I have to shower in this poison every damn day. The skin in the bodies largest “organ”, and even warm showers open the pores so you are absorbing who knows how much stupid fluoride every time you shower, with no easy way to avoid it. THAT makes me want to march down to the Parliament office and Health Canada with a baseball bat.

  30. KX February 26, 2015 at 5:34 pm Reply

    Does anyone know whether inhaled steroids are ok? I have had this cough for almost three months and would hate to let it turn into something chronic. Have tried herbal teas, cough syrup, natural cough remedies with honey and herbs, cough drops, avoiding cold air and nothing has helped. The doctor gave me this as last resort.

    I am losing my mind with all the issues I am having post floxing!!!! So exhausting physically and emotionally! And to be fearful of taking drugs to help recovery is just too much!!!

    • Daniela February 26, 2015 at 8:31 pm Reply

      You need to carry a thermos with you and drink all the time. Most of what you mentioned you’ve done is sugary and not a good idea. I like to boil oregano and drink that…it’s really strong. Find out what is making you cough instead of killing off your body’s message to you with steroids. If it’s an allergy to dander or mould or pollen, Bio Allers homeopathic is good. But keep drinking water!

    • rene February 26, 2015 at 8:57 pm Reply

      I highly recommend, if you can locate a Chinese Herbalist/ Doctor….they are usually found in local Chinese neighborhoods….go on line….google Chinese MD in your area. They can easily formulate a mixture of herbs for you to take as a tea, but in a powder form. They will red your pilse in your wrists, and look at your tongue,….not all bronchial issues are the same. Some are dry, some have phlegm,…etc. The herbs are not light weight, and are very effective for handling infections, & bronchial issues that are lingering, or not clearing.

      Antibiotics are very cooling to the system, in Chinese medicine they are classified as cold. Stay away from cold/ice beverages….they are terrible for driving bronchial issues deeper into a chronic condition as are antibiotics. I would avoid Steroids! No matter how they are deployed. They are contraindicated for Fluoroquinolones, as they have the additional risk of compromising your tendons/ligaments further.

      Sleep propped up, and cover your mouth with a tied bandana when sleeping covering your nose & mouth so as not breath in cold air at night.

      Gargle w/ warm salt water as well.

  31. rene February 26, 2015 at 8:59 pm Reply

    Sorry for spelling errors….Read your pulse is how it should have been written.

    • KX February 26, 2015 at 9:51 pm Reply

      Thank you Rene and Daniela. My cough is dry and it gets worse from cold air. The doctors think it’s either post infectious cough or some cough variant asthma worsened by acid reflux etc. i am always worried about taking random herbal concoctions as I have celiac disease and everything that I take has to be certified gluten free.
      I am definitely not taking antibiotics but was hoping inhaled steroids are not systemically absorbed. I can’t take this anymore, it’s like my body just can’t turn down the inflammation. So exhausted :(

      • rene February 26, 2015 at 10:59 pm Reply

        To Clarify the Chinese herbal formulas are prescribed to the individual and not prepared. They are not the same as buying single herbs or a mixture of herbs that you find at health food stores. I myself have real problems with “all grains”. Not just wheat, or gluten sources…it puts me into a inflammatory state in my gut and then my joints hurt and residual issues with my peripheral nervous system come to the foreground and I hurt a lot. It is no joy to endure.

        However, not only have Chinese Herbs prescribed and prepared for me have helped me with all matters, cough, bronchial, nerves, circulation, toxicity, weak digestion, and being poisoned by Cipro….but exclusively when I cannot handle situations on my own through measures of vitamin C, Glutathione Lifewave Patch, etc….. And am absolutely loathe to go to an MD who has Nothing to offer that is of any value. The Herbs were different each time, according to what my body as a whole required. The Chinese method of medicine is not to suppress symptoms but to treat and restore the balance of the system as a whole.

        Stay as alkaline as possible with drinking warm lemon water…and you may consider taking 1/8th of teaspoon of Baking Soda to alkaline your system too. Also a bath with 1/2 cup of Baking Soda (NOT powder which has Aluminum)

        if you are in the UK…and in or near a city….Chinese MD should be accessible and inexpensive compared to Western.

      • Destruida los Restos February 27, 2015 at 2:05 pm Reply

        Herbs can’t contain gluten.
        I’d try masses of raw garlic, honey, raw onion, also sip oregano (very strong) or thyme ( a bit less strong) infusion, also lots of lemons. You may have FQ bronchitis – I did. The mucous membrane (fascia) that lines your bronchi is probably inflamed. For that, mullein, marshmallow and coltsfoot flowers are excellent, especially the last. You can smokethem in a pipe -I know it sounds crazy, but coltsfoot flower smoke is ore like mist and is an excellent and harmless treatment for smoker’s cough, bronchitis and (i think) asthma.

      • Destruida los Restos February 27, 2015 at 5:49 pm Reply

        Liquorice root is good, too.

  32. Suzanne February 27, 2015 at 12:30 pm Reply

    Can anyone recommend a water filtration system to remove flouride, that works well. There are so many brands and I’d rather use reviews than marketing to figure out which one is right for me. Buying water is crazy expensive and hurtful for the environment. I’m leaning toward an under the counter system. Thanks everyone! Lisa, my case is still under review at my insurance for the IVIG treatment. I’m hoping to hear something soon, was told could take up to 45 days! I’ll just sit and wait around while it gets worse, don’t rush on my acct…crazy!!!

  33. Melanie kemp February 28, 2015 at 11:10 am Reply

    Hi Rene
    Got the ancient minerals today. Made the spray and sprayed on legs and arms. Also did a foot soak. Really no stinging..maybe just a little. I didn’t wipe off yet but will.
    Thank you

    • rene February 28, 2015 at 2:07 pm Reply

      HI Melanie,
      The MAG OIL that is bottled By Ancient Minerals seems to be a higher concentration and therefore the stinging…..my experience has been that my homemade mag oil 1:1 ratio seems much milder….and so the application for me was more liberal than when I used the Ancient Mineral bottle. However the stinging did decrease using their bottle over the first 5 days of body use….as did the exaggerated salty film residue. Always wash your hands after application, as the palms do get rough if you leave it on.

      The idea is to start out moderate or low if necessary and then increase to where you feel that you are getting a favorable response. You want a “therapeutic daily” dose to replenish the “intracellular” MAG…..AND that can take months for the chronically ill or weeks for others…however you want to notice, experience a shift, in the muscle relaxation, and sense of calm not fatigue…

      • Melanie kemp February 28, 2015 at 7:02 pm Reply

        How long before you saw a difference in you’re skin

        • rene February 28, 2015 at 11:25 pm

          I noticed a change within the first week…..completely took me by surprise, as never anticipated or thought or knew that might occur. My skin still needs coconut oil, or some moisturizer….however the texture changed to smoother. I first noticed it on my forearms, and also noticed that my “muscle tone” also improved. Very very interesting and helped me fathom the depth of the importance of minerals as well as how the deployment, form, & dosage are details that matter. I do hope you reap all and any benefits that your body needs and replenish those needs for a long and healthy life!

          (1) ounce of MAG OIL can be applied daily……approximately 300 – 1000 mg per adult….again depending on the individual at that time, till adjustments are to be made. The skin changes for me I consider a superficial response…..becuase as the weeks, or months role by and all these 350 different processes in the body are now more effectively functioning…then the healing is ongoing…..I tend to think in 90 days as a period of time for cell renewal throughout the body.

        • Melanie kemp March 1, 2015 at 11:58 am

          I woke up extremely dizzy and I’m still in bed.
          Magnesium? ??

        • rene March 2, 2015 at 2:25 am

          Melanie, use less, decrease dosage…….that is likely that you need to divide your dose so half AM & half PM. It will pass easily….but do decrease by 1/4 or 1/2.

          and you may want to consider Potassium Citrate…..

        • Melanie kemp March 2, 2015 at 10:40 am

          Thanks Rene
          A little better today. Not as room spinning. Scared me. I’ll hold off for a few days. Also had very loose stool which I know is a magnesium thing. Over did it a bit I guess.

          Hopefully it will pass

        • Jason March 1, 2015 at 12:25 pm

          It does have a sedative and laxative effect. I notice I am sleeping better overall as well, and it is a little harder to get out of bed. I think Rene mentioned going slow, try only your legs for example for a few days (or only Achilles tendons if that is too much) and slowly work up to more and more body.

  34. Jason February 28, 2015 at 11:57 pm Reply

    This one is especially for your Rene, but also for any other fellow Floxie that would like to “Mind their Mitochondria”.


    Magnesium Bicarbonate – The Ultimate Mitochondrial Cocktail: Essentially Dr. Sircus is saying that drinking a Magnesium Bicarbonate water is maybe the ultimate water (and it would imply that it is ESPECIALLY good for us Floxies since our DNA, Mitochondria and Magnesium levels are all under attack).

    He is a big MAG evangelist, and has written many articles and at least THREE books on it. You can tell from the title what he believes about this type of water, its a good article I recommend Floxies read. Here is a little except:

    [i]Unless a treatment actually removes acid toxins from the body and increases oxygen, water, and nutrients most medical interventions come to naught. With most allopathic medicines themselves being mitochondrial poisons, what happens is that they often change the symptom picture that then almost always drives disorders into a deeper chronic state. When the body’s tissues and cells become too acidic in conjunction with mitochondrial deficiency we set the stage for tissue inflammation and degeneration as we become breeding grounds for anaerobic pathogens.

    Many in the alternative health field believe that there is not one drug on the market that reduces the acidity of the body or addresses any king of nutritional deficiency. This is not true! There happens to be two exceptional medicines that are excellent in addressing most of the issues mentioned above. Magnesium chloride and sodium bicarbonate are both considered medicines in their injectable forms and both provide almost immediate relief to physiological disturbances.

    This chapter is specifically about the dynamics of using these two substances together. Adding these two substances to taste not only will remineralise highly processed water but will provide the body with a constant supply of the ultimate mitochondrial cocktail[/i]

    That should be enough to wet the whistle of you fellow floxies to hopefully read the article. There are many comments from people at the bottom, and a link from a site moderator on how to make it at home fairly cheap. Note the instructions and components used must be STRICTLY followed. Here is the link referenced in the comments to a PDF:


    Here is a link to some people discussing the how to, and uses of it on Earth Clinic:



    ps – I think between the Tart Cherry juice and the Mag oil (thanks again for stressing it Rene) Tendons, Muscles definitely feel better after and joints are a little better overall I think too, but its going to take time and I do wonder how much I can really heal my joints and damaged cartilage. I am taking some other things for joints, and I have a couple more to try including making this Mag water which I will do ASAP since its easy and cheap overall.

    Tonight I tried the MAG/MSM oil vs just the MAG and noticed it still stung in same areas a little but left less of a residue (less MAG I guess). Hard to tell if any other difference, but for sure these are drying out skin which of course is already dry thanks to Winter (stinging on my hands and fingers likely due to dry skin, but also on my neck skin is not dry and it stings there too). I will make the homemade oil from flakes and try that too soon as well.

    • rene March 3, 2015 at 4:10 pm Reply

      Hi Jason, thanks for the info. Well done, I appreciate your zeal for healing, and learning.
      I cannot tolerate MSM….makes me quite ill due to my transulferation/ problems….this is where sulfur is not utilized optimally, and therefore “sulfite” is sitting around….that is another topic really….However:

      You need to rinse off or use warm wash cloth to wipe off the residue. The bottoms of the feet and palms of hands must be washed off after application or will be very dry. I sincerely believe that the muscle skeletal system can make significant repair, as can other systems in that they are all linked and converse with each other. Very inspired to learn that you have followed through with your research to fully grasp the significance of minerals, and in particular MAGNESIUM and the form that is in as well as the mode of deployment.

      If you are experiencing a favorable response along with some annoyance of stinging or dryness…these can all be mitigated with using coconut oil after rinsing off….The skin on the neck is very sensitive as are other areas…..try to establish the therapeutic dosage and of course if needed change accordingly….after my first 5 days, I decreased….counting how many sprays that I applied. So I have a sense of needs, and control dosage.
      Those sites you have shared are very helpful and Hope Fully others will investigate, and consider introducing MAG supplementation. I had discovered those sites after using the MAG oil….becuase My positive response was so significant…..and Yes the overall substantial healing does take time…changing the terrain is the life force…..the electrical system, the nervous system, cardiac, muscles, serotonin, gut, lungs,…..All the raw materials that we are made of and are found in nature, basically provided by God and designed for us, and all living creatures….

      While you are making your water, you can always include “Perrier” at your meals for the carbonation.

      God Bless,

      • Jason March 4, 2015 at 12:28 pm Reply

        Well any stinging I get is really a very small price to pay for the protection and relief it brings. Last night right leg from knee down was bothering me, as it often does these days thanks to the poison I took. Squirted it up with Mag oil, and the “aching pain” was pretty much gone.

        I’m looking forward to getting that water made up, if only I could find a quality Mag Hydroxide source, all the Milk of Magnesium up here is polluted with other unfavourable ingredients, such as BLEACH or cancer causing preservatives! Good grief, its a real crime what companies are legally allowed to do these days. Anyone the bicarbonate component of the water is very important as Dr. Sircus explains, so should really elevate the way Mag is used in the cells, which it IS needed in ALL cells of the body I have learned. Also, its another way to drink much healthier water overall than what I am drinking now, pure RO water.

        • rene March 5, 2015 at 2:11 am

          That is excellent news that is has made a difference with your leg….so the systemic effect should also be meaningful in time.

    • rene March 3, 2015 at 4:19 pm Reply


      More information regarding the different forms of MAGNESIUM and why The MAG OIL is of such value….Floxies and Non Floxies.

      • Jason March 4, 2015 at 1:24 pm Reply

        Here is some interesting tidbits about a NEW type of Magnesium, Threonate. See what the author of “Grain Brain”, Dr. David Perlmutter has to say about it here:


        “exciting new information about what clearly appears to be offering up an exciting new area of chemistry related to neuronal function and brain function in general.

        Learning is the process by which the brain is able to store new information by forming new connections between neurons in what are called networks. This process is an example of neuroplasticity. This process depends on the actual formation of these connections, as well as the number of connections that are available. We do know that when synapses, the connections that allow one nerve cell to communicate with the next, are diminished, memory impairment ensues. And indeed it is thought that this loss of synapses is an explanation for what is called “age dependent memory decline.”

        Synapse formation is dependant upon a variety of factors that have been well studied including insulin, ghrelin, various trophic hormones, and, as we have now learned, the ion magnesium, which enhances the activity of more than 300 enzymes.

        It has now been discovered that magnesium is a critical player in the activation of nerve channels that are involved in synaptic plasticity. That means that magnesium is critical for the physiological events that are fundamental to the processes of learning and memory.

        As it turns out, one form of magnesium, magnesium threonate, has the UNIQUE ABILITY to permeate the brain and enhance the receptors that are involved in this process. As reported in the journal Neuron researchers demonstrated actual enhancement in the learning abilities, working memory, as well as short as well as long-term memory and even quality of sleep, in laboratory animals, who were given magnesium magnesium threonate.


        My memory has been bad for so long, I don’t remember how long…. hardy har :). Anyway going to pick me up a bottle while I’m at it, can’t hurt, enough bad things have gotten inside my BBB that any good going across and in should help.

        There is more info on Mercola’s site as well, and he sells this item also.

        • rene March 5, 2015 at 2:06 am

          I take Natural Calm – Magnesium Citrate for oral supplementation & I use the Mag Oil for transdermal application….If you read Carol Deans research she is a fan of using more than one form…but the MAG Oil and Magenisum Citrate are the favored by those wanting to address the intracellular. I cannot speak to the form that you have highlighted but very interesting to look into!

      • Jason March 4, 2015 at 1:29 pm Reply

        Thanks Rene more good info there for sure. The link did not work (end was cut off) here is the full link for anyone wanting to learn:


  35. Jason March 1, 2015 at 5:05 pm Reply

    I don’t want to be the bearer of bad news here, after posting so many posts with helpful info, but google DNA adducts, and look for Wiki has to say about them (very nasty) :( I found a 10 page study that led me to this, you can google “Long Term Adverse Reactions to Fluoroquinolone Antibiotic Treatments from DNA-Adduction pdf” to find the report, it is at the first link that comes up from academia.edu.

    This sheds a little more insight to the why and how DNA damage is occurring. I won’t get too much into here, and I know this has been expressed before on this site, but once chemicals attach themselves to the DNA not only is it damaged but it hinders the replication, regeneration and repair process and future cells that do get replicated are also damaged (explaining why some people don’t “heal”).

    More research is needed (they say at end of report), and I know I’ll be doing more of my own to try and figure out what else we can do and will report on anything new I find. There is a bunch of “crap” they found in the blood of each person 3 years later, its a complex subject and likely goes too far in depth for a “layman” like me to fully comprehend and then try and come up with useful ways to combat all the issues, but damn it I will try anyway I refuse to just “do nothing”.

    • Destruida los Restos March 1, 2015 at 10:26 pm Reply

      That’s Joe King’s article. I suggest you check his qualifications and academic history.

      • Jason March 1, 2015 at 11:06 pm Reply

        Hi thanks for your reply. I am having trouble finding info on him, or maybe that is your point not sure, but if you can lead me a little on where to find some, or if you know about this guy as seem to indicate please share.

        All I could find is he seems to work out of Florida International University, specializes in DNA and has a keen interest and has done studies on how this poison we took screws up our DNA.

        Here is another disturbing thing he seems to indicate, MAG might be a carrier of the poison into the cells!!!! Good grief, its a full time job trying to figure all this crap out. That would possibly explain why it gets depleted, and why some people have an adverse reaction when trying to supplement with MAG.



        On another VERY interesting note (punn intended here), check out this DNA REPAIRING TUNING FORK!!! Good reviews, I am going to look into this further to see if there is any true evidence this works.

        • Destruida los Restos March 3, 2015 at 11:54 pm

          Well, quite. He claims to be a professor – where does he profess? He claims to be a toxicologist, but apparently has no diploma or degree, nor any recorded studies or training. He claims to have conducted studies, but none are published, not does he explain what these studies were or how, where or by whom they were conducted. He claims that the work was done with a body of “national and international” scientists, but refuses to name them, to give details or, for that matter, to explain how they were funded. He claims to have been a body-builder and has supplied a very fuzzy, distant photo of some big, oiled bloke on a stage; also one of himself driving an aeroplane (why?)
          Need I go on?
          Desperate people will believe any nonsense.

          If you type ‘adduct to DNA’ into a search engine, you can learn more about adduction, from reliable sources.

        • Destruida los Restos March 3, 2015 at 11:59 pm

          Oh, and his language, which is a very odd mixture of ‘scientific’ and near-slang!
          He probably means well.

          I like th idea of a tuning fork – very relaxing and refreshing, I should think. Vibrations are important.

    • rene March 2, 2015 at 2:20 am Reply

      All Newbies and those that are in there first 3 years, I would be very cautious about getting married to information or any science that speaks to hopeless doom and permanence. Reading all the information, and science about DNA damage…etc, does not present a realistic view as to why people do and have healed to the extent that they can, and do return to live a semblance of a normal life, or return to 90% normal though not as they were before but life….It is so easy to look at any neurological disease, cancer,…Fluoroquinolones as the last say,…. a sentence for life…..Not actually true.

      All of the information is so very dead in that it does not ever speak to the marvels of healing in spite of these injuries…..so I suggest, and recommend to all that you focus on studying healing and not destruction. Again….information is to be used for good, and not to invest in believing that there is no way, or it isn’t possible….If I may be so bold as to say – Dont ever give one inch of yourself to that way of thinking….or believing. God is the Alpha & The Omega and we are to learn from him, as we only have a limited understanding.

      • tricia March 2, 2015 at 11:59 am Reply

        Thanks Rene for such a positive post! I love reading anything that offers anything about hope, healing, love, recovery….rather than scientific “facts” about gloom and doom. Would you say that most people eventually heal enough to go on to lead “normal” lives?

        • rene March 2, 2015 at 1:55 pm

          Many do, but the length of time is really a matter of years for the severe cases.

      • Jason March 2, 2015 at 12:24 pm Reply

        It was a very limited study to be sure, but seems to concur with other info on the subject. I would agree with you Rene that healing is obviously possible for many people at least, as we have all read the stories. What they really need to study is HOW, and sadly as this won’t make anyone any money, hard to say if it will ever be done but we can hope.

        DNA damage is not limited to this drug by a long shot folks, look up Potassium sorbate, as additive in tons of your food products. It sounds like a possibly food preservative until you look further into it, like many of the ingredients in your food

        • rene March 2, 2015 at 2:06 pm

          Exactly….there are many things in the environment & of course other medications including over the counter, and various products that are injurious….I am outraged and disgusted about it, but I am not dissuaded or persuaded into thinking or believing in that system….it is just a obsolete model of medicine….Which in truth replaced the basic fundamentals about life, and regeneration, healing, health. Forgive me but !@#$%^ that til the end of time….

  36. SM March 1, 2015 at 10:20 pm Reply

    I’m sure we all have our least favorite symptom. For me, PN has always been my biggest fear. I don’t get a lot of burning pain. Some but not a lot. But I do get very cold and achy feet. Such an unpleasant sensation. If I’m in the sun it’s not a problem. When I’m on them and moving a lot they’re usually okay. But on weekends when I don’t move as much, that cold ache sets in. Ugh.

    • Destruida los Restos March 2, 2015 at 12:26 am Reply

      Brain fog I think is by far the worst, but I do dislike tghe violent tremor that has rendered my left gand, I mean hand, mostly useless. (It can do rouch thinks, I mean rough things, such as carrying a bag of shopping, but it can’t hold a cup or bowl without spilling and splashing everywhere, I mean really spilling the whole contents over half the room.) However, most of the world is worse off and I’d happily have brain fogand tremors far worse, if I could stop nuclear power and weapons or detoxify the Gulf of Mexico or experiments on live animals or see and speak to my parents again or undo any of my own sins and things I regret..
      ..so I can’t complain, can I? Cup half full (unless it’s been held in my left hand!)

  37. Laura March 1, 2015 at 11:15 pm Reply

    I am a teacher and I have to have a TB test this week. I am terrified. I have been reading the potential side effects and I am very concerned that I will have a bad reaction due to my adverse reaction to fluoroquinolones. Phenol is one of the ingredients in the test. A few months ago a teacher posted that she had the test and was fine. I would appreciate any input anyone can offer. I am improving and I can’t imagine having to go through more health issues due to a test.

    • John March 2, 2015 at 12:27 pm Reply

      Hi laura,
      Im also a teacher and just had my tb test done last month, everything was fine and I have not noticed any reactions. I was also reluctant, but if i wanted to stay employed i had to. I spoke to a coworker after the factvand they mentioned there is an alternative to the shot, which i believe is an xray, they do this for people who test false positive with the shot for some reason, you may want to look into that. Good luck.

      • Melanie kemp March 2, 2015 at 12:58 pm Reply

        I would think there has to be an alternative test. I’m from England and we are given.a vaccination against TB so any test I would have would give a false positive which it did when I had a test coming into the state’s

        • Laura March 2, 2015 at 1:11 pm

          There is a blood test I found but some school districts require the skin test. I am checking into this. I was also vaccinated a few years ago, so I feel I may have the false positive as you did. Thanks for the reply. I will post if I discover more. I appreciate the feedback.

  38. Colleen March 2, 2015 at 9:51 am Reply

    Hi all fellow floxies, this is a question for the ladies, or maybe the men have had this too. Starting 2 days ago I got a pain in my right breast, right in the middle. This morning I also have it in my left breast, same area, by the nipple. I’ve looked online and yes, there are tendons there. Has anyone else had these symptoms? I also ran across something interesting…it won’t help me, being a vegetarian, but apparently bone broth is just the best thing for tendon rebuilding. Makes sense when you think about it. I have been able to work, limited to a few hours only, and starting later in the day, when the aches have dulled a bit from meds. Thanks for any responses, hang in there everyone.

  39. Laura March 2, 2015 at 10:12 am Reply

    I had the same pain also. It was a few months into my problems. It started with pain under my arms. My hands swelled also. At that time I was also misdiagnosed with Lupus. This is another side effect I believe tied to antibiotic. Two months later I started to improve. The symptoms travel around our bodies and then stop. I am doing much better now. I hope you are feeling better soon.

    • Daniela March 3, 2015 at 10:30 am Reply

      That is wonderful that you started to improve two months after such a devastating diagnosis.

      It seems that positive ANA, positive RA are not diagnostic — but our MDs are still prescribing all sorts of strong meds based on those tests, meds which can have side effects that complicate our problems.

  40. Destruida los Restos March 2, 2015 at 1:59 pm Reply

    Tom Lehrer’s nearly 87 years old. I s’pose you’re all too young to know him.

    “If you visit American city,
    You will find it very pretty.
    Just two things of which you must beware:
    Don’t drink the water and don’t breathe the air.

    Pollution, pollution,
    They got smog and sewage and mud.
    Turn on your tap and get hot and cold running crud.

    See the halibuts and the sturgeons
    Being wiped out by detergents.
    Fish gotta swim and birds gotta fly,
    But they don’t last long if they try.

    Pollution, pollution,
    You can use the latest toothpaste,
    And then rinse your mouth with industrial waste.

    Just go out for a breath of air,
    And you’ll be ready for Medicare.
    The city streets are really quite a thrill.
    If the hoods don’t get you, the monoxide will.

    Pollution, pollution,
    Wear a gas mask and a veil.
    Then you can breathe, long as you don’t inhale.

    Lots of things there that you can drink,
    But stay away from the kitchen sink.
    The breakfast garbage that you throw in to the Bay,
    They drink at lunch in San Jose.

    So go to the city, see the crazy people there.
    Like lambs to the slaughter,
    They’re drinking the water
    And breathing – cough – the air.”

    • rene March 2, 2015 at 2:11 pm Reply

      I highly suggest you refrain from posting negative, ugly thoughts that do nothing but darken this forum and people’s spirit.

      God Bless,

      • Jason March 2, 2015 at 3:29 pm Reply

        Well I think there is a fine line between “awareness” and being negative though. The poem is cute actually but truly sad as it does convey the truth. There are still many many people who have NO clue about what is in the tap water they are drinking and showering in, their food etc, and at least what you drink is somewhat controllable. (wait til you see my post waiting for moderation for the last 48 hours, Rene you’re going to love it I think!)

        Also, my “bad news” post above while obviously negative, was just my attempt to get to the facts of this insidious drug concoction. Its pretty hard to solve a problem if you don’t fully understand it, IMHO anyway. I don’t think that study said anything about the damage being permanent either, on the hopefully glass full side.

        Its a very complex issue no doubt about it, and again we really only have each other here to try and work through it.

        ps – Destruida I guess one thing we are somewhat overlooking here, is just how “down” people can get after this has happened to them, with a real sense of hopelessness. I know I have gone through many bouts of this already and I only have mild symptoms left overall at this point (though I was already screwed up before this last round of pills, which is why this was the last thing I needed very frustrating) I guess Rene makes a good point to try and refrain from negativity where possible and if also not offering a positive course of action.

        My goal is really getting to the truth; in the problem and how to combat it, and I hope thus far people have found my posts helpful as I know the info has greatly helped me.

      • Destruida los Restos March 2, 2015 at 4:35 pm Reply

        Crikey, Tom Lehrer is SO famous and SO funny! In 60 years, until today, I’ve never heard anyone describe his songs as negative and ugly or met anyone who didn’t laugh at them. There’ve been plenty – lots and lots and lots – of truly “negative, ugly” posts to which you haven’t objected, although they weren’t funny at all. Laughter is the best medicine, you know – better than magnesium for some of us!

        • Destruida los Restos March 2, 2015 at 5:03 pm

          For those of you who don’t disapprove of satire: look for him on Youtube, etc. and listen to “I hold your hand in mine, dear,” or “Poisoning the Pigeons in the Park.”

    • Daniela March 2, 2015 at 6:02 pm Reply

      I love it! This made my day!

      It reminds me of how I was on the dock of a pristine island, and a little motor boat came in, carrying cases of…Tidy Bowl, the chemical dye that sanitizes and turns the toilet water blue.

      • Destruida los Restos March 2, 2015 at 8:06 pm Reply

        Aaargh! At first I thought you were describing a cartoon, but no – you really saw it, really real. Perfect! It’d make a good pop art-style painting, à la Warhol. Tidy Bowl!

  41. Melanie kemp March 2, 2015 at 5:07 pm Reply

    Hi Rene
    Dizziness subsided :-)
    Think I went a bit overboard with it. I’ll go slower. Feel pretty ok now and in fact my head feels a bit better than usual
    Thanks :-)

    • rene March 5, 2015 at 2:02 am Reply

      I am so glad to hear that Melanie!

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