Floxie Hope


This site is to give HOPE to those who are suffering from Fluoroquinolone Toxicity Syndrome as a result of being poisoned by fluoroquinolone antibiotics – Cipro, Levaquin, Avelox, Floxin, etc.  It contains stories of healing.

Cipro, Levaquin, Avelox and all other fluoroquinolones are dangerous drugs that can have devastating effects that cumulatively I’ll refer to as Fluoroquinolone Toxicity Syndrome or Floxing.  Fluoroquinolone Toxicity Syndrome/Floxing includes damage to connective tissue (tendons, ligaments, cartilage, fascia, etc.) throughout the body, damage to the nervous systems (central, peripheral and autonomic), and more. The damage done by fluoroquinolone antibiotics can destroy a person’s quality of life or even kill them. Certainly, there is a time and a place for drugs with dangerous side effects. If you find yourself in a septic shock induced coma, fluoroquinolones may save your life. Unfortunately, these drugs are not being reserved for life or death situations. People are being prescribed them for urinary tract infections, suspected prostate infections, upper respiratory infections, as a prophylactic for travelers’ diarrhea, ear infections, pink eye, etc. Thousands of people have suffered needlessly from the devastating effects of fluoroquinolone antibiotics, when another, safer antibiotic could have, and should have, been used.

The damage done by fluoroquinolones is largely unacknowledged by the medical establishment and an accurate diagnosis, compensation and relief are difficult to come by. There is no known cure for Fluoroquinolone Toxicity Syndrome/Floxing.  However, many people continue to LIVE after being poisoned by fluroquinolones.  They find healing, recovery, perseverance, compassion and hope.  These are their stories.

This site is meant to give hope for healing to those who are adversely effected by fluoroquinolones.  It is no way meant to disregard the pain of those who are chronically suffering from the horrifying effects of Cipro, Levaquin, Avelox or the other fluoroquinolones.  There are people who don’t recover.  Their stories are real and they matter.  There are also people who are able to recover and I share their stories with the hope that they inspire others, or at least give hope that recovery is possible.

Here is a New York Times article about the dangers of fluoroquinolone antibiotics – http://well.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/09/10/popular-antibiotics-may-carry-serious-side-effects/?_r=0 – more news stories, research papers and other resources can be found on the “Links and Resources” page.

Here is a Facebook group that is a great resource for those going through Fluoroquinolone Toxicity – https://www.facebook.com/groups/floxies/

Featured post – Why NSAIDs Suck for Floxies (and Probably Everyone Else Too)

The Fluoroquinolone Toxicity Solution Ebook has helped many Floxies to recover, including DanielCindy and Ruth.  As a bonus, you will also receive The Floxie Food Guide – a book of diet guidelines to help you through fluoroquinolone toxicity:

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10,176 thoughts on “Floxie Hope

  1. Daniela February 5, 2016 at 10:09 am Reply

    I get a dairy reaction so this won’t help me. But it looks like everyone is doing well so I guess it’s time to leave the site. Congratulations everyone and wish me luck, too!

    • Stephanie February 5, 2016 at 10:21 am Reply

      I’m in the same place as you. Don’t give up don’t leave the site. I can’t tolerate dairy. It inflames my stomach and makes me sick. Stay strong!!!
      💗 Steph

    • Linda February 5, 2016 at 10:58 am Reply

      Good luck!

      • jwinn February 5, 2016 at 11:14 am Reply

        No Daniela, please don’t think you need to leave this site! I have not been doing well at all either. That is why I have not been posting…I don’t have the energy. My fingers and toes are burning and my nails are starting to lift from the nail beds again, which means I am going to lose my fingernails again. I can barely walk, anxiety is through the roof, and my insomnia is worse than ever. My blood work just came back that my cholesterol is crazy high, and I’m borderline diabetic. I diet, but I don’t have the energy and it is too painful for me to exercise… not to mention, I can barely breathe. I have a few good days, but more bad than good. I still try to read the posts on this site to gather any information I can that may apply to me and my situation. I have found a lot of useful information, but not all of it applies to me. I just have to sort through it. I have also received a tremendous amount of support. Please hang in there. We are all fighting a battle each day. That never changes. However, because of this site, we can now all fight together to find helpful resources for each other. I wish you the best. HUGS!!!

        • Daniela February 5, 2016 at 3:03 pm

          It’s just awful what happened. Take care, you, too (((((())))))

    • Ann February 5, 2016 at 11:02 am Reply

      No daniela
      Please Dont leave this site
      Im not doing Well at all. I Will try colostrum, but my gut cant tolerate diary either. Im going to try, but maybe my gut cant take this either. Its good when People found something That works for them. But we are all different, sometimes something works for somebody, but dont work for somebody else. Hugs!

      • Daniela February 5, 2016 at 3:03 pm Reply

        I’m going to keep working on yoga and natural approaches. Big hug (((())))

    • joanneg February 5, 2016 at 12:34 pm Reply

      Hi Daniela, in the information on the site I posted it said even people with milk allergies can take the Colostrum. Please read it

    • Michael Teeter February 5, 2016 at 1:39 pm Reply

      I get an everything reaction! Just don’t give up.

    • Chris February 5, 2016 at 3:27 pm Reply

      What about goats milk and sheeps milk? A lot of people with milk alergies can handle those alternatives. I believe there are colostrum options derived from goats and sheep.

    • BosFlox February 5, 2016 at 7:35 pm Reply

      Many people that have a reaction to Dairy (the standard pasteurized kind) actually do NOT have a reaction to RAW organic milk, which has not had all the good stuff killed by pasteurization. That said, like big pharma, big Ag also makes good wholesome RAW dairy products very difficult, and even illegal to buy in many states. Often, you can get it directly on farms, which is where I get it. Good full fat, raw milk and butter and cheese helps in the same way Colostrum can help!

      • Linda February 5, 2016 at 7:50 pm Reply

        Also, I have trouble with dairy, but seem to do OK with goat’s milk (kefir, cheese)…

    • Lisa M February 6, 2016 at 10:48 pm Reply

      I was just wanting to know of anyone who lives in NJ close to Middlesex County. I am planning on going there myself as that is where they are holding a Mass Tort settlement. I have other issues there as well with a Lawyer who held me up for three years and then suddenly dropped my case stating ” I was to young to have torn Tendons” Which as we all know was a blatant lie. I am not allowing him to get away with that. Just in case anyone would want to do the same, anyone who was hurt has the right to file a Civil Suit against the party who harmed them, being this isn’t just one body part, it is collectively the entire body each and every system, they need to refocus on this fact alone. So with that said I will most likely be doing this the first week of March just shy of two years of the Attorneys discharging me, Surprise him :) Health to all.

  2. joanneg February 5, 2016 at 12:32 pm Reply

    Tom, yes I had balance issues, dizzy swirly head, even in bed, I couldn’t lay flat or turn my head to either side very far without getting vertigo

    • joanneg February 5, 2016 at 1:02 pm Reply

      As for NP, I had numbness that felt like a wet mop dragging across my face also in my arms and legs. But I never had what people describe as fire or burning knives

      • Tom Marsella, Fresno February 5, 2016 at 2:00 pm Reply

        Did your ears seem like they were stuffed up?

        • Tom Marsella, Fresno February 5, 2016 at 2:00 pm

          Are all those symptoms gone now?

        • joanneg February 5, 2016 at 4:23 pm

          Yea Tom, I had all kind of ear things, they would get really full like I was under water, they would have a continuous high pitched ringing, and beep, beep, beep, stop then start all over again it actually sounded like the dryer for your clothes when its done.

          My symptoms do come here and there but are soo much better I would probably say 80% better, and a lot of the time they’re not there at all. I’m 20 months out and never had any progress at this level.

          And remember, I’m only 5 days out and the site I posted said it takes about 30 days. so I will definitely be posting.

        • Tom Marsella February 5, 2016 at 5:09 pm

          Joanneg, sounds like we have the same issues. Sovereign Labs correct? Thanks so much. I’ll let you know results. Tom

        • joanneg February 5, 2016 at 5:13 pm

          Yea Tom, Sovereign Laboratories, I got the 12oz bag of Colostrum-LD powder it cost 80$.

        • Tom Marsella, Fresno February 5, 2016 at 7:47 pm

          Joanneg: Thanks, the colostrum should go well with my Product B proprietal herbal blend.

  3. Daniela February 5, 2016 at 2:21 pm Reply

    I feel there are too many sales people here. Plus after so many years, I am tired of supplements and other cures. They are marketed the same way as Cipro! I have to find a different way.

    • Stephanie February 5, 2016 at 2:32 pm Reply

      Stay strong best of luck I know how you feel!!!

      • Daniela February 5, 2016 at 3:01 pm Reply

        Thank you so much. You, too (((())))

        • Lisa M February 6, 2016 at 11:17 pm

          Daniela I was just looking through Puritan Prides website. I have bought my vitamins and supplements from them for many years and have never been disappointed. I did buy from the Sovereign Labs which compared to PP were a bit expensive, there are several types of Colostrum on Puritan Prides website and I did see they were collected and sealed within 12 hours of calving, also no antibiotic grain fed no pesticides the things we all need. I am hoping this helps me as it has helped joanneg, just in the future I will go to Puritan Pride as they always have great prices and buy 1 get 1 or buy 2 get 3 FREE so if this is something we are all going to be using pretty much the rest of our lives, why not get healthy and save money at the same time. You can look it up there and see the several types they have about six different kinds and pricing varies as well, just trying to help. That is why we are all here, I can not thank joanneg enough for introducing this product to me/ us :) Thanks to joanneg once again. Health to all.

  4. joanneg February 5, 2016 at 2:24 pm Reply

    Hi Jason, I was wondering where you were :)

    As for my diet, I drink only Purified water, I eat only organic meats but my fruits and vegetables aren’t all organic, and just recently trying I’m to do less Gluten, but I don’t do very good with any diet. And actually I get very sick on all the diets I’ve tried. Anyhow, low sugar, no caffeine, but I cant wait to have a cup of coffee !!! So you can see I’m not very strict that’s why I used the words low, less. and trying.

    The site I posted does explain that the Colostrum is used to heal the wholes in your gut, then you reseed with Probiotics, you don’t eat Gluten, and other diet suggestions, that I can’t remember, to maintain your gut health. The site and all the links in the site are very informative and detailed. I’m trying to tell everyone to read them.

    Hope this helps :)

    • Linda February 6, 2016 at 11:15 am Reply

      Joanneg—like you I really like bread…toast, sandwiches, french toast. But the gluten thing is so important. I have cut it out. I was buying gluten free bread and crackers, but recently read that even those can be problematic because the rice flour and potato flour as well as corn (even non gmo) and oats they use can have lectins which is one of the irritants. (I still use organic, gluten free oatmeal.) But I think if you could cut all these out entirely for a few months, you could perhaps add back in something like organic sour dough (the kind made from starter).

      • joanneg February 6, 2016 at 11:20 pm Reply

        Hi Linda,
        I just saw this post. You are right, i love all the foods you do, which is why I have the hardest time following those diets.
        But even with the Colostrum I’m supposed to follow some diet restrictions for a certain amount of time like you suggested.

        I just get so faint, weak and even nauseous like hypoglycemic with so many restrictions. That’s when I give up. And when I eat sensibly, like low carb,low sugar, ect. then I feel sooo much better.
        But this might be why I could never heal?? I just don’t know.

        Anyhow, I read a post where you said you were doing pretty good. I’m so glad and thankful. I felt so bad for you with all the breathing issues you had to go through.And now you don’t even need your inhaler. :)

    • Jason February 6, 2016 at 11:58 am Reply

      Well I think that is a testament to the power of the product and/or your Gut being not too far from healing already, because Gut issues like Candida and Leaky Gut can be notoriously hard to get back under control, and then maintain, and it seems very likely you had both which of course is VERY common in today’s World and even more so in someone fresh off Antibiotics, and especially ones as strong as these are.

      As I mentioned last page and as Linda alludes to here, the more someone does diet-wise to support the healing process and maintain healing, the better chance someone has to actually maintain the positive effects and NOT regress backwards, as SOOOO many people unfortunately often do.

  5. joanneg February 5, 2016 at 3:44 pm Reply

    Hi Daniela, I just want to say, I know how you feel. I spent THOUSANDS on supplements not including Dr visits, ER visits, specialist and even books. I even had my husband put a shelf in my bedroom because I couldn’t find what I was looking for when they were in the bins. For crying out loud it looked like a Pharmacy in there. Also, a couple of days before I found the site about the Colostrum I told him “that’s it I’m not buying any more supplements ever again”.

    But, being scared and with NOBODY able to help me I was driven back to the computer to try and find some help. And that was the night I found the Colostrum site.

    Also, I don’t sell anything!!! I’m a wife and a mother of 6 children. I worked at my children’s school. The year before being POISONED by Cipro I quit my job so I could be home more with the kids, clean the house better, and cook better meals ect. Little did I know my kids would be giving me a bath, shaving my legs, holding my hand while I tried to walk, wiping my hair from my face as I cried from the horror of all the things that were happening to my body. Oh yea the house, the cooking and the cleaning that never happened.

    Anyhow, I have been reading on Floxiehope for over a year now, hoping to find a solution, hear what others were going through, and FINALLY to get some HOPE!!! I never commented
    till recently because I never found any real HOPE to offer. But recently I was compelled a couple times to comment and try and help some people.

    Lastly, I promised myself, as I’m sure you all have “IF I EVER FOUND A CURE I WOULD TELL THE WORLD !!!”

    I hope you understand, I am not a salesman, I’m just so excited to share this “HOPE” that maybe I sound over the top but wouldn’t YOU or ANY of us here ?? Isn’t this the reason we have the site?? If I still had no progress and I read all the things that I posted, I would sale my house to get some.

    Please just read their site and watch the video which is very good.

  6. Linda February 6, 2016 at 11:09 am Reply

    Jason, when you say that you think the gut is connected to just about all problems, you are SOOOOO right! Here is something on its connection to Parkinsons (and I imagine ALS, Altzheimers, etc) via the Va
    gus Nerve…http://neurosciencenews.com/parkinsons-gastrointestinal-tract-neurology-2150/

    • Jason February 6, 2016 at 12:17 pm Reply

      Absolutely, it seems the majority of the prominent experts in the “REAL” Health World are all zeroing in on this truth, which was the theme of the recent Gut Summit and something Hippocrates said 2000 years ago, “ALL DISEASE STARTS IN THE GUT”, and with the overuse of Antibiotics its more true today than every before.

      The Gut Summit was jam packed full of info, easily worth $500 or more, 35 GUT Experts all sharing healing tips from their practices and years and years of research for FREE.

      Well small Wonders never cease, there is now going to be a “MICROBIOME MEDICINE SUMMIT”, starting on Feb 29!!!!!

      Anyone who somehow missed the last Gut seminar, gets a second chance to learn invaluable information on WHY the Gut is so critical, and WHAT can be done about it.

      Spread the word, while there is going to be some overlap there are once again THIRTY GUT EXPERTS here going to share their “trade secrets” on how to heal the Gut. Some big names again too and also many new names, “Mark Hyman, Leo Galland, Mercola, Jill Carnahan, Perlmutter, Eric Zielinski, Sayer Ji, Dave Asprey, etc

      Register here: http://microbiomemedicinesummit.com/schedule/

      • Linda February 6, 2016 at 12:20 pm Reply

        yeah, I only actually got to watch about 6 of the gut summit…lots of overlap but very good info. especially like dr. perlmutter, Josh Axe and one guy (can’t remember his name) who actually wasn’t a dr or nd but had healed himself. good stuff! thanks for the link to the next one.

      • Jason February 6, 2016 at 12:26 pm Reply

        And as if that was not already enough (AMAZING REALLY the FREE info being shared) there is also going to be an” Essential Oils Revolution” Summit!

        Learn how to use TRUE Medicine that was used for thousands of years, from over THIRTY presentations from again top experts in the field, Dr. Zielinski, Dr. Axe, Jill Winger , Jessie Hawkins , Sayer Ji , Jordan S. Rubin, etc

        Register here, starts May 11: http://healthyoilsummit.com/

  7. joanneg February 6, 2016 at 3:01 pm Reply

    Leaky gut syndrome is directly associated with many autoimmune diseases including allergies, alopecia areata, Alzheimer’s disease, autism, chronic fatigue syndrome, Crohn’s disease, depression, diabetes, fibromyalgia, food allergies and sensitivities, heart disease, HIV/AIDS, irritable bowel syndrome, inflammatory bowel disease, multiple sclerosis, polymyalgia rheumatica, Raynaud’s disease, rheumatoid arthritis, scleroderma, Sjögren’s syndrome, ulcerative colitis, and vasculitis. The connection between leaky gut syndrome and these autoimmune conditions is the antibodies created by the body in response to the toxic substances and undigested fats and proteins that leak into the bloodstream and attach themselves to various tissues throughout the body, create an allergic response, trigger the destruction of tissues and organs, and create inflammation. As toxicity increases, autoantibodies are created, and the destruction and inflammation becomes chronic. There is a tipping point at which the body cannot recover from chronic inflammation, and pathological diagnosis follows. The specific type of autoimmune disease that develops depends on the predominant location of the inflammation. When inflammation occurs in a joint, rheumatoid arthritis can develop; in the brain, chronic fatigue syndrome (myalgic encephalomyelitis) may be the result; in the blood vessels, vasculitis may be the resulting condition; within the gums, periodontal disease can result; or in the lungs, asthma may be triggered. If the antibodies attack the lining of the gut itself, the result may be irritable bowel syndrome, ulcerative colitis, or Crohn’s disease. If the bacteria that causes gingivitis enter the bloodstream and attack the arterial walls, causing inflammation and cholesterol deposition, heart disease and stroke may ensue.

    As a secondary consequence, inflammation in the gut damages the body’s ability to produce IgA, and without IgA, pathogens can escape into the bloodstream and infect any part of the body. This leads to an increase in infections, an overstimulated immune system, and an abundance of pathogens infecting the liver, thereby creating detoxification failure. Eventually, patients suffer from loss of concentration, impaired mental abilities, decreased energy, skin infections and irritations, such as hives or acne, as the skin organ attempts to detoxify that which the liver is failing to provide.

    – See more at: http://www.centerfornutritionalresearch.org/articles/lgs_townsend.html#sthash.NvThtoYY.dpuf

  8. joanneg February 6, 2016 at 3:07 pm Reply

    BUT, Colostrum was designed to prevent infections originating in the bowel, to close the leaky gut, and to prevent opportunistic infections from taking over and causing or exacerbating leaky gut syndrome. For individuals who already have an autoimmune disease, colostrum is absolutely essential to the healing process. Unless a permeable gut is healed, the body cannot begin to repair the damage caused by inflammation. As healing begins, the amount of toxins dumped into the bloodstream will decline, nutritional uptake will improve, the cells will have better access to the fuel they need to for repair and replication, organ function will improve, and energy levels will rise.

    And unlike the so-called wonder drugs of the pharmaceutical industry, absolutely no harm comes from colostrum. It has no known side effects and has no known interactions with drugs. Colostrum has been proved in both animal and human trials to prevent and heal leaky gut syndrome, and it’s the only substance conclusively proven to provide this kind of result. Food elimination and herbal products can’t do the job because they don’t contain the antibodies, immunoglobulins, and growth factors necessary to heal the gut lining and provide the nutrition and hormones for cell repair, growth and differentiation. Bio-identical epithelial and epidermal growth factors (skin growth hormones) are absolutely critical to healing and preventing leaky gut syndrome.

    – See more at: http://www.centerfornutritionalresearch.org/articles/lgs_townsend.html#sthash.NvThtoYY.dpufT

  9. joanneg February 6, 2016 at 3:33 pm Reply

    Colostrum’s Growth Factors — Not Just For Newborns
    Colostrum contains many important growth factors which promote healing and actually create an anti-aging response. The list of benefits they have been shown to provide is so long I’m going to put it in list form.

    Independent medical studies show that colostrum’s growth factors:

    • Regenerate and accelerate normal growth of aged or injured muscle, bone, cartilage, skin collagen and nerve tissue.
    • Help burn fat for fuel instead of muscle tissue in times of fasting (diet)
    • Help build and retain lean muscle.
    • Repair our body’s vital DNA and RNA.
    • Balance and regulate blood sugar levels
    • Heal burns, surgeries, cuts, abrasions and mouth sores with topical application
    • Control infection and pain associated with gingivitis, sensitive teeth and dental work.
    • Help regulate blood glucose levels and “brain chemicals”, providing alertness and better concentration.
    • Help regulate the brain’s “feel-good” chemicals to brighten our moods.

    – See more at: http://www.centerfornutritionalresearch.org/blog/miracle.html#sthash.OPqwuSaP.dpuf

    There is so much information on this site. I just thought I’d post a few things.

  10. joanneg February 6, 2016 at 4:32 pm Reply

    I knew we weren’t suppose to eat GMO foods but just found out one of the reasons why. They use a pesticide that eat holes in the insects stomachs, and they’re finding out that it does this same thing to those who eat these foods. CRAZY!

    So don’t eat GMO’s !!!

    • Jason February 6, 2016 at 6:07 pm Reply

      Fluoride, Drugs, GMO’s, Chemicals, all these things kill off Good Bacteria in and on your body and ruin your health, and yes that like so many other things, starts in the GUT

      • Jason February 6, 2016 at 6:11 pm Reply

        * – was supposed to say “often” starts in the Gut. If you put perfume on, hair spray, hair dye, even showering in chemical water (which will all do, some have it worse off than others) then you are killing off the guys living right on your skin, too

        • joanneg February 6, 2016 at 6:37 pm

          It’s totally unbelievable and inescapable, which is all the more reason we have to heal our guts so our bodies can run at optimal levels in order to detox all these chemicals.

          So far the Colostrum is still working great, and I pray it continues. Also, it doesn’t stop there, I have to repopulate the gut flora with probiotics, stop eating gluten, and stay away from any trigger foods, and gut destroying foods like alcohol, caffeine :(, soda, and many others I can’t remember now.

          But, at least with the Colostrum my body’s reactions feel like I’m on the right road. The road to recovery! Please God let it be

          Thanks Jason and Linda for all the great info

        • Tom Marsella, Fresno February 6, 2016 at 7:15 pm

          Joanneg: thank you so much for your eloquent words on colostrum .

        • joanneg February 6, 2016 at 8:43 pm

          Hi Tom, I wish I could take credit for them words, but that was an excerpt from the website posted at the bottom.. But thanks for the cudos :)

  11. Jason February 6, 2016 at 6:42 pm Reply

    Okay Folks, along with these VERY important Gut seminars, there are also a LOT of great books out there that can teach you the importance of the Gut, and what can be done to heal a damaged Gut etc. (which will help a great many heal from being “FLOXED” IMO)

    One such book, is called, “The Good Gut”. In it, there is a chapter called, “Eat shit & Live”.

    I’m not kidding, that is what it is called. I think people need to pay attention to this chapter to see the true gravity of the situation here that Floxies have found themselves in. This is going to be a LONG quote, because it is of CRITICAL importance, especially for those people who are having trouble healing. (and it includes a study of CIPRO damage to GUT)


    ANTIBIOTICS – THE INDISCRIMINATE KILLER – “Antibiotic” literally means “against life.”

    David Relman and Les Dethlefsen, two of our colleagues at Stanford University, were curious about what would happen to the microbiota after multiple rounds of the potent antibiotic ciprofloxacin (trade name CIPRO). Its mechanism of action is to inhibit a microbe’s ability to replicate its DNA, effectively keeping bacteria from proliferating. Because Cipro is broad spectrum, it is active against most types of bacteria, both infection-causing bacteria AND the friendly, mutualistic type living in the gut. David and Les wanted to determine how damaging a FIVE DAY course of Cipro would be to the microbiota, and whether it would fully recover.

    Microbial abundance and diversity in the test subjects’ guts PLUMMETED RAPIDLY upon starting antibiotics. There were TEN TO A HUNDRED TIMES LESS GUT BACTERIA after Cipro treatment, and the surviving community was MUCH less diverse than before. The microbiota was also significantly reorganized, with bacterial species that collectively made up 25 percent to 50 percent of the TOTAL organisms in the gut NEARLY WIPED OUT. These results should not be that surprising, although the scale of microbiota damage was even larger than many had feared it would be. Despite how critical our resident microbes are for health, there is still widespread (and often relaxed) use of broad-spectrum antibiotics, partly owing to the belief that the microbiota can regrow. But is the assumption that beneficial microbes can stage a comeback and repopulate correct? Not exactly. A few weeks after the Cipro treatment, one subject’s microbiota recovered to the pre-antibiotic state. The other two were not so resilient. One individual had a near complete recovery but still harbored visible antibiotic-induced damage. The third subject’s microbiota was struggling to regain its pre-antibiotic composition even two months after the Cipro treatment had ended.

    Many microbiotas have to endure multiple antibiotic exposures, often within a single year, so Relman and Dethlefsen tested what happens to these same individuals after a second round of Cipro. From the microbiota’s perspective, the damage was even more severe. Following the second course of antibiotics, again bacterial abundance decreased, the community shifted in composition, and diversity took a hit, just as it had after the first Cipro treatment. BUT this time none of the individuals escaped unharmed. All three test subjects had visible, LASTING Cipro-induced damage to their microbiota, even TWO MONTHS after the antibiotics were stopped. None of the study participants reported any gastrointestinal symptoms, despite the massive reorganization that was occurring in their gut. Clearly, symptoms are not a reliable gauge of how much damage the microbiota sustains from antibiotics. Much of this damage can take several weeks to repair and there are some species of bacteria that may never fully recover.


    Antibiotic use is one of the biggest risk factors for infection by C. difficile, a bacterial pathogen that can cause severe diarrhea and intestinal inflammation. Taking a round of antibiotics is like setting our microbial ecosystems ablaze. As in the aftermath of a forest fire, close inspection will show that while a few things survive, overall the landscape changes dramatically. After the fire, new seedlings that might not previously have had the space or resources to grow can now take hold. Some of these fledgling plants may be productive and healthy members of the rebuilding ecosystem, like mutualistic bacteria, but others may be invasive and detrimental, like pathogenic bacteria. C. difficile is responsible for the death of approximately fourteen thousand Americans each year; currently another ten times that number are battling C. difficile infections.

    Until recently, the treatment for recurrent C. difficile infection was more antibiotics—the equivalent of lighting a second forest fire. In 2013, a group of scientists and physicians at the Academic Medical Center in Amsterdam set out to test the idea that an infusion of beneficial bacteria could stop the vicious cycle of recurrent C. difficile infection. They performed a randomized, controlled clinical trial in which individuals with recurrent C. difficile infection were treated either with antibiotics alone or antibiotics followed by a fecal microbiota transplant (FMT), also known as bacteriotherapy or stool transplant. After a single FMT an astounding 81 percent of these recurrent infections were cured, compared to the 31 percent cure rate in the group that tried another round of antibiotics alone. A second FMT was performed on the remaining 19 percent of nonresponders and the overall cure rate climbed to 94 percent. This cure rate was so high that the researchers felt it was unethical to continue the study and abruptly terminated it and offered FMTs to all the participants.


    I think this info, read carefully, speaks for itself (those numbers are staggering), and the conclusion is pretty obvious too. I just mentioned FMT back on page 43 of these pages yesterday, because I believe that some people’s GUT’s are probably too severely damaged to be helped by things like Probiotics, Kefir, Colostrum etc, but it does make sense I think to try these kinds of things first along with other Antifungals, clean strict diet etc.

  12. joanneg February 6, 2016 at 7:15 pm Reply

    Jason that was VERY interesting and informative. I remember months ago reading on this and telling my husband he was gonna be my donor. And of course he thought I was crazy. But I was really serious. and I totally forgot all about it. If the Colostrum doesn’t whined up be my cure, I will definitely ask my ND about it. Actual I have an appointment this Tuesday and I’m gonna ask if its available around here just in case. Thank you

  13. joanneg February 6, 2016 at 7:47 pm Reply

    This is actually pretty close to my sarcastic comment of eating “cat turds”. Lol, point being- WHATEVER WORKS!!!

    I”ll definitely try it if I have to (still hoping and praying the Colostrum works).

    Thank you for this information and always posting to try and help all of us even though you are better. You are better aren’t you?

    • Jason February 6, 2016 at 8:48 pm Reply

      YW Joanne. You are not the only one in that “boat” for sure, I’m there with you as are many others, eventually many people will get to a point where there will literally do almost anything, I’ve said it many times myself and I mean it

      My “story” is long and complicated and spans 30 years, but from the most recent and at least “known” Cipro poisoning I am now one year out. After 10 weeks I was 80%, 12 weeks 85%, 5 months around 94% and now I am maybe 96%, so not much gain in the last 7 months; but I am also not actively “trying” as ~95% is pretty good (like I VERY aggressively was for the first 3-4 months or so), I’m symptom free less very minor intermittent Tinnitus and occasionally minor twitching in legs sometimes after exercise, and last but not least I shower daily in Fluoride & other Chemical water, so I really didn’t expect to get to full 100%, and may never unless I move to another Country.

      Then there is also my own GUT issues which go wayyyyy back, probably right to the beginning 30 years ago when I realized there was something ‘not quite right’ with me, “tired” often, gas & heartburn, later Candida, SIBO, Leaky Gut, IBS, (all the later things I didn’t know then, but would figure out much later on my own) which all leads to hosts of other issues etc. These issues, which no doubt stemmed from Childhood Vaccines and Drugs (recreational & of course Allopathic like stupid Antibiotics esp) are still ongoing for me, which is another reason for my ‘warning’ on diet, I speak from experience on Gut issues, diet, “regressions”, etc (and from years of research). This is also why I have a keen interest myself in FMT, because it is very obvious from my very weak immune system (80% is in your GUT) and re-occurring Gut issues that like the book denotes, too many of my “good guys”, are gone, for good, and FMT with the right donor (which can be done at home fairly easily btw) is probably the right solution for someone like me, who has already tried tons of things and has had success but also always relapses in Gut issues.

  14. joanneg February 6, 2016 at 9:33 pm Reply

    Well, I’m GLAD to hear that you’re 95-96% better, that’s great news. But ever lingering gut issues is not so great news.

    The FMT sounds like a FAST and EASY way to handle this nightmare,but I’m not sure if it would heal your gut if it was leaky?? It sounds as though it just repopulates gut flora? Any info on this would be great.

    Anyhow, the internet is AMAZING!! I’ve found out so much information about soo many health things since I’ve been sick. But the main thing I learned is that all the doctors I’ve worked with are absolutely clueless to so many things which is truly scary. I have 6 kids I’m trying to get this across to and 2 of them are in nursing school, so they think I’m just off the deep end which that scares me even more.

    Oh well Jason, I’m gonna be going to bed, but I appreciate all you’re doing. Thank you.

    P.S. I had to have my teenage daughter tell me what YW was. :)

    • Jason February 6, 2016 at 11:21 pm Reply

      Well there is more to Floxing than Gut issues for sure I wish it was just that easy for people, but there is DNA damage, Mitochondria damage, Mineral depletion, Iodine and other depletion’s which all then cause other issues like Thyroid etc, its unfortunately extensive the damage that can occur, but I have been trying to stress to people that in my estimation GUT is a very very overlooked underestimated part of it, a root cause to a TON of symptoms, and just taking Probiotics is NOT going to be enough to overcome the dysbiosis, and its a huge factor in why someone is going to have trouble healing if they don’t do more, like Erin in the her story I posted before and again last page who was sick EIGHT years until she killed Candida and healed the Gut and then finally healed.

      The body is an amazing healer, but of course when damaged and depleted can only do so much. The thing with a Leaky Gut is there are MANY root causes, toxins, foods, Candida, Sibo, Mineral depletion, and more, so in order to fully heal it someone needs to know what exactly is causing their Leaky Gut in order to address it /them. In the case of Floxies, if someone did not already have some level of Leaky Gut (which many would) just the Good bacteria being killed off is enough to let Candida go rogue once enough are gone, and Candida is a very common root cause of Leaky Gut, however just because you have one, does not mean you have the other, but they do often go together and in my estimation this is going to be the case in many Floxies. In this kind of case, a FMT could possibly be enough to bring Candida back in check, and then assuming someone is also eating a proper clean low or better yet no sugar/carb diet and low Lectins etc things like that, and dealing with any Mineral / Vitamin deficiencies, the body would likely in many cases be able to heal the GUT if not too far gone. In more severe cases, or where there are also other root causes it may not be enough, and extra supplementation would be required.

      The internet indeed, I would still be completely lost without it, going from Doctor to Doctor to have them try to diagnose me on symptoms alone, then trying to give me another poisonous drug that would only address the symptom not the root causes, which would then cause new problems, oh what a web they weave thank God for the Internet and people sharing their experiences and the TRUE experts sharing their knowledge. And speaking of which, I too thank you for reporting your experience and getting me to look at Colostrum again, I never did try it so I bought some too to add another tool in my ‘overflowing’ box. Sry about the YW lol (that one you must know, right?), I have to remember not everyone has been on here for years and not be lazy….

      • jwinn February 9, 2016 at 1:57 pm Reply

        Jason, I am so grateful for your wealth of knowledge and willingness to share. I, too, and going to try the Colostrum in hopes that it will help me to heal. I am waiting for my order now. As you said….I am adding it to my already ‘overflowing’ daily supplements. Just curious if you have tried it yet, and if you have noticed any symptoms occurring? Also, I am also wondering if you or anyone else has ever used ‘light therapy’? If so, did you see any results? Thoughts? Experiences? Thanks!

        • Bob February 9, 2016 at 6:39 pm

          Funny you should ask. I just did 2 treatments in a bed that uses red and infra red lights. I did 10 minutes each time. The first treatment made me feel much better for about 3 hours. I am going to keep doing them as they are not expensive. They help with lymph drainage as well as mitochondria repair.

        • jwinn February 10, 2016 at 7:09 am

          I’m so glad you told me about the light therapy. My sister wants to send me a 5 foot light and it was going to cost her $35 in postage. I didn’t want her to spend the money if it was not going to help me. I hate the winter, and I get more depressed than I already am….I guess I will tell her to send it to me and I’ll give it a try!

      • jwinn February 9, 2016 at 2:17 pm Reply

        Jason, I hate to bother you again, however, you have such a wealth of knowledge already, and I appreciate your input. I recently added Red Yeast Rice to my supplements to help with my cholesterol issues, and within 2 days, I felt as if I had relapsed back to over a year ago. I cannot take cholesterol medication because of the same reason (bad side effects). I can hardly walk, muscles cramp up. tendons hurt, can’t breathe, extremely fatigued (the same side effects as the Crestar, Zocor, and Lipitor that I tried previously). I stopped taking it yesterday, but I’m not sure if it was the Red Yeast Rice or if I just had a flair up. I did not take it today, and I am feeling some better. But I am definitely not back to feeling as well as I did before taking it (not that I was feeling 100% better, but it was far better than I was feeling yesterday!). I’m just not sure if I can blame the Red Yeast Rice….any thoughts or suggestions? Have you had any experience with this supplement? I was really hoping it would help lower my cholesterol. Now, I’m not sure where to turn. I am already supplementing with diet and quality Omega 3’s. Exercising is difficult for me due to pain, lack of strength, and labored breathing. My brother died with a heart attack at age 50 and looked and lived perfectly healthy. He had a high C reactive protein in his blood that doesn’t show up on normal cholesterol tests. Unfortunately, they didn’t find this until after he had passed. Feeling a little ‘bumbed’ because I was hoping the Red Yeast Rice would help….I just can’t take the medications that the ‘doctor’ ordered…not to mention, we all know where that can lead us! Thanks again! If anyone else has any additional advice, I would greatly welcome it!

        • Tom Marsella, Fresno February 9, 2016 at 4:24 pm

          Jwinn: my understanding is that red yeast rice is from the same stating source but its not calibrated so you don’t really know the dosage you’re taking. You might want to check it out on the Internet. -Tom

        • jwinn February 9, 2016 at 8:40 pm

          Tom, that is exactly what I wondering. It gave me the same side effects as the statins. I just wasn’t sure if it was the Red Yeast Rice or I was having a relapse again. Thanks for the advice!.

        • BosFlox February 9, 2016 at 4:49 pm

          Regarding Statins and Cholesterol:

          Ok, so you all know how doctor’s are not well informed about Cipro and other FQ’s and prescribe them because big pharma says they’re safe? Guess what? It WORSE regarding Statins!

          Statins do not help you. Lowering your cholesterol does not help you. The higher your cholesterol over age 50, the longer you live! Statins actually cause “Statin induced cardio-myopathy” — that is, they cause heart disease. (They may slightly help with atherosclerosis, but not as much as they hurt everything else). And the kicker is that they interact with FQ’s negatively, so I strongly recommend that you not take them! Get plenty of sun, Vit D and enjoy life as best you can.

          I personally have had both FQ poisoning and Statin issues. I not longer take any of that.

          I’ve done a lot of research on this: Google “Seneff statins”, and read her articles and listen to her videos — very enlightening!

        • jwinn February 10, 2016 at 8:55 am

          Thank you BosFlox! I have been so worried about my high cholesterol. It’s nice to hear that I may not be killing myself for a change. The doctors keep insisting I take a statin because of my family history. Diet does not seem to be working. I was trying the Red Yeast Rice as a substitute but got the same symptoms. I appreciate you sharing your information with me and letting me know that I’m not crazy! Thank you!

        • Jason February 9, 2016 at 4:58 pm

          Hi Jwinn. That is GREAT you will try the Colostrum, I did buy it also but do not have it yet, I bought it from USA and I’m in Canada so will hopefully have it Friday. I did not want to burst anyone’s bubble on it, ie pour water on someone’s “fire of hope”, but of course not everyone is going to see the same results as Joanne, many factors here, IMO diet is a very big one, for Joanne it was apparently not so critical, at least not yet, but it will likely be for others. Then of course it is also dependent on just how many symptoms are gut-related for a person. Colostrum does seem like a bit of a hidden gem overall, being able to kill Candida AND help heal a Leaky Gut, so really killing two birds with one stone in what seems to be a very effective way, and these two birds are plaguing many Floxies IMO as I have been stressing for some months here so hopefully it will help out many who do try it. (Side note there is definitely the possibility of getting a “herx reaction”, in fact it would be surprising to me if many people did not get things like headache, nausea, etc for 2 – 4 days as the Gut balances)

          I’m not sure which kind of light therapy you are referring too, I have not tried any kind, yet, but I am a believer in it because I notice in myself the differences in being in a well lit room vs a dark one etc. At some old work places they always wanted to sit in the dark because the Fluorescent lights are fluttering and annoying (and probably not a great healthy light) but I just could not do it, I guess my body tends towards making Melatonin easy because boy does that make me SLEEPY! Its been this way ever since I can remember, and I have read about light therapy for depression, brain fog etc and have no doubt it is an effective therapy.

          Red Yeast Rice – the key word there is YEAST! Almost for sure you just fed Candida a nice big meal, so they are happy, and you are not. Dr. Mercola says they are actually a form of a Statin drug also with all the same side effects and even depletes you of COQ10 putting heart at risk and lowering ATP (cellular energy) production which can cause fatigue etc.


          Its a good article and gives some info about cholesterol, and what can be done etc. Please please don’t turn to drugs, there are so many natural ways to deal with this condition, I posted some of them in old posts to you before, cutting sugar and simple carbs is a very big step, and definitely increasing HDL (good cholesterol) with things like Fish Oil, Omegas will help a lot, exercise would be great but I understand, see his article for a few others, it will take some time to come down but it definitely should with the right dietary choices as just that alone has helped thousands and thousands deal with it (me included). Sorry to hear about your Brother :( If Genetics are a factor which in your case maybe they are (you said before it seems to run in the family) I am pretty sure I read some articles on how with 23andme testing someone can determine which Genes are potentially an issue and supplement accordingly, but I’m not sure how good my memory is on this point.

        • jwinn February 10, 2016 at 7:38 am

          Thank you, Jason! Once again, you have enlightened me and helped to relieve some of my stress. I’m feeling better today, now that the Red Yeast Rice is coming out of my system. I appreciate the cholesterol information. Everything I read tells me that my high cholesterol will kill me. Interesting to find that cholesterol may actually be helping me in some ways. My sister wants me to try light therapy for my seasonal depression and fatigue. She wants to send me a 5 ft light, but will cost her $35 to ship it. I didn’t want her to spend the money if it wasn’t going to help me. I’m going to tell her to mail it now. I appreciate everyone’s input. All of your information is always so helpful! THANK YOU!!

        • Bob February 9, 2016 at 6:43 pm

          Maybe you don’t need to lower your cholesterol. Cholesterol is critical for brain function. Arteries don’t clog because of cholesterol. They clog because of inflammation. Look up Dr. Wallach.

        • jwinn February 10, 2016 at 6:55 am

          Thanks, Bob. Will do.

        • ChristmasCarla February 9, 2016 at 8:28 pm

          jwinn, the red rice is from a grain, and as far as I can tell, grains will aggravate inflammation, even non-gluten grains such as rice. I do have short-grain brown rice with quinoa daily, to keep my digestion regular, but just one small serving and so far it helps me.

          As for high blood pressure, have you tried garlic? It’s supposed to normalize blood pressure. I make a tonic by juicing elephant garlic, turmeric root, ginger root and lemons, then adding local honey, and every once in a while a take a swig after meals. It fights off incipient infections — colds, sinus, flu — and does lots of good stuff for the rest of your body as well. I used the poultice described in the recipe to heal the infection in my ankle when the tendons were damaged. Here is the recipe if you want to try it:

          Gold No-Cold Medicine
          (expressed juices of Elephant Garlic, Ginger root, Turmeric root and Lemon, with Honey)
          Use Jack LaLanne juicer or equivalent.

          One pound each of the following::
          – Elephant Garlic*, peeled
          – Ginger root, diced in 1″ cubes with dry parts of peel removed
          – fresh Turmeric root, scrubbed and broken into pieces
          Plus one and one-quarter to one and a half pounds:
          – fresh organic Lemons, washed and unpeeled but with ends removed
          And one and one-half pounds
          – local Honey (may add more to taste)

          (* Regular garlic is not the same as elephant garlic and is not recommended for this recipe. It is, however, highly recommended for many other cleansing and detoxifying uses, such as this one:
          FOR EARACHES AND TO PREVENT EAR INFECTIONS: a tiny slice of garlic wrapped in cotton and worn in the ear overnight may avoid ear infections … safe and effective for all ages.)

          · Put garlic, ginger root and turmeric root through juicer to express juices. Fibers from the ginger and turmeric roots will eventually gum up the juicer, but putting garlic through after them will help wash them through. If necessary to clean fibers off teeth of juicer, a wooden chopstick or bamboo skewer works.
          · Clean garlic/ginger/turmeric dregs from juicer and keep them in a plastic bag in refrigerator or freezer. This can be used as poultice on external wounds or irritations (see below).
          · Do not wash juicer parts, but reassemble and juice the lemons. Mix all juices together with a wire whisk and disassemble the juicer for cleaning.
          · Add honey to mixed juices to desired sweetness.

          This amount of ingredients makes close to 2 quarts of Gold Medicine. Keep refrigerated.

          Take 1-2 Tablespoonsful after meals at the first sign of scratchy throat or possible colds.
          Do not take on an empty stomach. It can cause nausea.

          External use:
          Applied externally to wounds or irritations, Gold Medicine seems to dry the wound and draw off toxins and irritation. Try it on bug bites, scratches, sores and rashes and any infection. My son used it on a staph infection on his finger and it cleared up overnight. There is evidence that Gold Medicine is effective against MERSA.
          Liquid medicine can be daubed on the irritation directly. It will be sticky at first, but once it dries, it forms a sort of bandage over the area.
          For larger areas or internal problems, a poultice can be made with the garlic/ginger/turmeric dregs wrapped in gauze or cheesecloth. Apply poultice directly to skin and leave on several hours or overnight. It has been shown to diminish potential infection and reduce irritation and swelling.

          Enjoy in good health!

        • jwinn February 10, 2016 at 7:42 am

          Thank you so much, ChristmasCarla! I try to eat garlic on a daily basis and I also take a garlic supplement. Thank you very much for the recipes! They will come in handy for the future!

        • Jason February 10, 2016 at 9:18 am

          Very welcome Jwinn. Cholesterol got a bad rap for many years like “fats” but new studies since have shown that the “type” of each of these is very important, and you do NEED some of each, Cholesterol for example is needed by the body to manufacture Hormones. I still think high LDL is not good and does put people at risk for Plaque build up and Heart Disease etc, I think Mercola talked about it in that article and definitely has in many others, and high Triglycerides is also bad for same reasons (I was high in both before diet changes, and had higher Blood pressure too, all that dropped like a rock just changing diet, eating good fats etc, exercise and Fish Oil).

          Seasonal Depression can be brought on by a Vitamin D deficiency, it has been proven that lack of Sun thus light and Vitamin D can cause depression as you probably know, I try to take more Vit D in Winter. Depression itself has a ton of root causes, so its very hard to treat without proper testing to find out where deficiencies and imbalances may be, very common are Hormonal & Gut/Diet issues & inflammation from Gut issues, probably top of the list along with Cognitive thinking issues, Cold showers help a lot of people as it helps tame some inflammation. Here is the light I was reading about before that was helping someone with mood: http://www.amazon.com/Day-Light-Classic-Bright-Light-Therapy/dp/B0009MFUWC/ref=sr_1_2?s=hpc&ie=UTF8&qid=1455120976&sr=1-2&keywords=Day-Light+Classic+10%2C000+LUX+Bright+Light+Therapy+Lamp

        • Jason February 10, 2016 at 10:00 am

          Hi Jwinn I just got this in my email today and it is a very comprehensive article about Cholesterol, Fats, Heart Disease etc please take a look when you can


        • jwinn February 10, 2016 at 11:30 am

          Jason, YOU ROCK!!!!!! Thanks!

        • Jason February 10, 2016 at 10:02 am

          Very good form of Vit D, most Vit D best taken when eating Fats and with Vit K


        • jwinn February 10, 2016 at 11:28 am

          Thanks, once again, Jason! I take 2,000 IU of Vitamin D a day, but doubt that it is the best grade.

  15. joanneg February 6, 2016 at 11:48 pm Reply

    Oh Jason,
    I just had to comment before I fell asleep– I’m so glad you ordered the Colostrum because you sound like you are almost healed, but you just need a little extra push.
    I pray that it gets you to the 100% you have been working so hard for
    I’ll be praying for you and all of us. Good night :)

  16. Rain February 7, 2016 at 3:53 am Reply

    Has any had jaw pain.

    • Ann February 7, 2016 at 5:54 am Reply

      Yes i have that, but for me it Comes with The headpressure and headaches, my jaw make noises, like a poping sound

      • BosFlox February 7, 2016 at 6:27 am Reply

        Do you have Silver Fillings or root canals in your teeth?

        • Rain February 7, 2016 at 7:29 am

          yes I have two fillings. Its just a shap pain that comes and goings,

  17. joanneg February 7, 2016 at 12:21 pm Reply

    Well,today is seven days on the Colostrum, and yesterday I started to get a little more of my symptoms trying to come back, but still waay better than before.

    Anyhow, I started using the Colostrum more, like every 3-4 hrs. @ 1 Tblsp and it’s keeping everything away!

    I was using it 3x’s a day, but I think I’m gonna stay at this amount .

    Just letting everyone know what’s going on and what I’m doing.

    • Tom Marsella, Fresno February 7, 2016 at 12:36 pm Reply

      Joanneg: Thanks -Tom

      • joanneg February 7, 2016 at 12:43 pm Reply


        • joanneg February 7, 2016 at 1:37 pm

          Also, I started taking my magnesium again, for two reasons, one I’m scared of not taking it, because it was my only relief throughout this ordeal and whenever I quit it in the past I always got worse. And secondly, I had some light flinching of my muscles, which was always a sign I needed more magnesium.

          So, what I’m currently taking is;

          Colostrum-LD 1 Tblsp. every 3-4 hrs
          Magnesium 300/400 mgs a day
          Probiotics 3 x’s a day
          Diet “Trying” to stay away from milk, sugar, bread spicy stuff,caffeine,
          soda and Gluten, but I’m not doing this very good. But that’s the goal.

          I pray this continues to work, because I FINALLY feel like I’m living not just surviving.

          Good Luck to all who are trying it. :)

        • Bob February 7, 2016 at 3:54 pm

          To all. Check out this video of Greg Braden in Italy showing this clinic in China where they heal a cancerous tumor in 3 minutes using thought an emotion. Listen to his explanation of how this can work. He is a scientist and knows what he is talking about. When you meditate visualize and.bring up the emotion of already being healed. https://youtu.be/GUbEgg6GklU

        • ChristmasCarla February 8, 2016 at 10:40 am

          Joanneg, thank you so much for sharing the information about Colostrum. I got some (from Puritan’s Pride), just one small bottle of capsules to try, since I have issues with milk products. Got it yesterday, took just one capsule (dosage is 2) and immediately felt better. How can it have such an immediate reaction? Don’t know, but I’m heading for breakfast now and will take 2 capsules with my food, waiting to take my other supplements to see what happens. I will keep everyone updated.

        • Tom Marsella, Fresno February 8, 2016 at 11:34 am

          Joanneg : did u ever have peripheral neuropathy in legs or arms and did you ever have diastolic dysfunction? -Tom

  18. joanneg February 8, 2016 at 12:25 pm Reply

    Hi Tom,
    I’m not sure if what I had in my arms and legs was NP. I had numbness and tingling and the sensation of a heavy wet mop or heavy strings pulling across my face, arms, and legs.

    As for diastolic dysfunction, in the beginning (20 mos. ago) my heart was out of control, I was even admitted to the hospital and on the heart floor for a couple of days with extremely high blood pressure, high resting heart rate, and postural orthostatic tachycardia (POTS).I couldn’t walk across the room without fainting. It was horrifying. They put me on H/B meds, Salt tablets and I can’t remember, but I thought there was something else?

    Anyhow, I had extreme reactions to all the meds, and I took myself off of them all,so my heart doctor mailed me a letter stating he could know longer be my doctor. I suffered through all that with the help from Valuim,which later (about 2 mos.) turned toxic on me. I think it’s called Paradoxical Effect. where it does the opposite of what it’s suppose to do-I was racing out of my mind.

    My B/P issues changed to way too low and heart rate way too high, and I still deal with that today. BUT, yesterday, I took my pressure and it was 120/79 and H/R 80, these are the best numbers I’ve had since being sick. which before they averaged 94/58 H/R high 90’s.

    Also, I’m gonna post that I think the first Colostrum I tried (Immune-Tree 6) was better than the Sovereign Labs. I been trying to test to see, and today I’ve decided that now I know it is definitely better (for me anyhow). And by the way I’m still having absolutely amazing results.

    Hope this helps :)

    • Tom Marsella, Fresno February 8, 2016 at 12:49 pm Reply

      Did you have balance problems? Or vertigo like issues? Thanks for your clear, accurate communications. It’s so helpful to all. -Tom

      • joanneg February 8, 2016 at 1:43 pm Reply

        Hi Tom,

        Yes, I did have balance and vertigo issues for the whole 20 months.It was one of my worst symptoms, along with stomach and joint problems.

        Anyhow, I felt like I was stoned, in another world, walking under water, just totally ridiculous! I don’t know how to describe it, but these were some of the analogies I would use.

        As for the vertigo, I would get this some times when I’d bend over with my head being towards the floor,but not always. But, I could never lay flat, I’ve been sleeping in a reclined sitting position this entire time. Also, even in that position,I couldn’t turn my head to far to the right or the left without the room spinning.

        These symptoms are sooo much better.They are still there but way better and sometimes not there at all since starting the Colostrum.

        I can’t express enough how much relief I’ve gotten from EVERY one of my symptoms since starting the Colostrum. Even if it doesn’t whined up being my “Cure All” (which I’m still praying that it is), I will never be sorry for buying it, because out of the hundreds of supplements I’ve purchased through this entire ordeal this is the only one that has given me this level of relief.

        • Tom Marsella, Fresno February 8, 2016 at 2:34 pm

          Thanks, maybe the colostrum will lessen my balance problems so I can again run track in the Sr. Olympics and Masters. Thanks for encouraging me. -Tom

        • joanneg February 8, 2016 at 4:28 pm

          You’re welcome Tom, I sure hope it helps you reach that goal, and please make sure you let us know how it’s working.

    • Linda February 8, 2016 at 2:30 pm Reply

      I just wanted to mention, that I got pericardial effusion, and the cardiologist said I should take NSAIDS. I told him I couldn’t—they exacerbate the FLQ toxicity (and he was one of the few doctors with ANY familiarity with it). When I read his report back to the doctor, it just said “I refused NSAIDS.” So I fired HIM. Believe it or not I found an integrative cardiologist! She combines western medicine (Harvard trained) with eastern medicine. She didn’t bat an eye when I told her all the side effects! Now if I could just find an integrative opthamologist!

    • Linda February 8, 2016 at 2:32 pm Reply

      BTW I just got the colostrum yesterday. No difference yet but my stomach was a bit upset. WOndering if maybe I am overdoing, by using that AND digestive enzymes, AND probiotics AND HCL betaine…

      • Lisa Bloomquist February 8, 2016 at 2:39 pm Reply

        Ginger has been helping my tummy. I cut up a medium root of ginger into disks, covered the disks with about a gallon of water in the crock pot and cooked it for several hours to make “ginger tea.” It settles my tummy.

        Maybe one thing at a time for the digestive support supplements will treat you better. It’s certainly worth a try to see if one works better than the others.

      • joanneg February 8, 2016 at 3:06 pm Reply

        Hi Linda,

        I know what you mean, when I went to the ER for the tenth, eleventh, and twelvth time because my head was so full of pressure it felt like it was going to explode, the “doctors” wrote sinusitis on my paperwork and I insisted that they change it, and I explained what I was going through and that I wanted a more thorough record, but they were snobby and said “we only got so many choices to choose from, and this best fits you”. Unbelievable!!

        Anyhow,did you get Pericardial Effusion as a result of Fluoroquinolones?(I can;t remember which one you took).

        Also, my stomach was a little upset for probably the first 3 or 4 days when I took the Colostrum, but it wasn’t real bad. As for the probiotics, digestive enzymes, and the HCL, they were all encouraged to take on the Colostrum site.

        I’m really glad you bought some Colostrum-Good Luck :)

        • Lisa M February 8, 2016 at 4:26 pm

          I received my Colostrum today tried it this am and will take again after dinner…Reading the material that came with was very interesting and made me vey hopeful that this will help. I’m sure it will not hurt, as it explains how important colostrum is to our Guts, and how healing our Guts will help heal everything else, not looking forward to fever or flu like symptoms but that will let me know its working. Good luck to all who are trying this and thanks again to joanneg for sharing this vital & important health information. I will keep all posted on my progress. Just wanted to add something from Jay S. Cohens book, as he was a well known Doctor that spoke with the FDA about the toxicity of medications, this is an paragraph from his last published book ( he passed away suddenly 12/6/15 ) He now informs us about the terrible harm that has come to tens of thousands of patients from toxic antibiotics like Cipro and Levequin and similar drugs, and what we can do to protect ourselves and our families, even when the drugs are necessary ! Dr. Cohens website is MedicationSence.com I have learned so much from this book, I take it with me to any Doctor appointments I have teaching Them about how bad these fluoroquinolones really are, and what we must do to protect ourselves. May you all have the Healthiest day possible.

        • joanneg February 8, 2016 at 4:47 pm

          Lisa M,

          You’re welcome :)

          And yea, wasn’t all the information they give you in the package a real bonus. I was going to go to the library to copy it from the computer and here they wound up including it with my order. That was sweet!

          Also, I didn’t get a fever or flu-like symptoms, I don’t know for sure, but from memory I think it said this could happen if you have Candida.

          Anyhow, Good Luck and keep us posted.

        • Linda February 8, 2016 at 5:42 pm

          I am guessing the pericardial effusion was as a result of the Cipro, because I didn’t have it before, and antibiotics in general are a known cause.

          Thanks for letting me know that the Colostrum site also recommends all the other GI stuff I am taking. It’s hard to space it all out! I had been told (I think one of doctors on the gut summit site) to take probiotics on an empty stomach, regardless of what the packaging says, and the colostrum also says twice a day on an empty stomach. But I don’t want to take at the same time. Quite a juggling act.

        • joanneg February 8, 2016 at 7:59 pm


          The information on the site also encourages you take your probiotic with the Colostrum, so that’s what I’ve been doing. I also take my Magnesium with them (but I don’t know if that’s good) Actually, now this is the easiest supplement schedule I’ve been on. Before I was over the map juggling over 13 supplements.

          My schedule: Soon as I wake, I mix up my Colostrum (1Tblsp) using it, I take my magnesium and probiotic,

          I do this same thing 3-4 times a day.on an empty stomach at least 2hrs away from food or 20-30 minues prior to food. Schedule-wise It’s much easier.

          Also, I’m glad you wrote about the enzymes because they are very important according to the information. So I added those to meals today after reading your post, and this is still an easy schedule. Thank you :)

        • Linda February 8, 2016 at 8:07 pm

          Thanks—I’ll combine the probiotics and Colostrum. (whenever I see your name—which I figured out is Joanne G., I keep thinking it is some sort of egg. ;) )

        • joanneg February 8, 2016 at 8:21 pm


  19. joanneg February 8, 2016 at 12:38 pm Reply

    Hi ChristmasCarla, I’m so glad you tried it, and I pray it helps you as much as it’s helping me. And yea, it was totally unbelievable the results I had in three days!!

    Please keep posting your results, and Good Luck, I hope we receive our LONG AWAITED HEALING!!!

  20. joanneg February 8, 2016 at 12:58 pm Reply


    I just wanted to post to let you all know that I think the first Colostrum I tried (Immune-Tree 6) is definitely better. My symptoms were stronger and more frequent when I was using the Sovereign Labs (but still waay better),I’ve been testing each to see. So If you already purchased the Sovereign Labs I’m sure you will get results, but on your next purchase, if I were you, I’d get the Immune-Tree 6.

    Please don’t get frustrated because I don’t know what I’m doing, I’m just trying to figure this out as I go and in a very public way. Also I’m trying to post as soon as I can with any new info.

    Thanks and Good Luck :)

  21. Lisa M February 8, 2016 at 4:38 pm Reply

    I was reading that we need some dairy for mucus membrane health… thinking that may be why the dry mouth, eyes etc…my thoughts on this.

  22. Ann February 9, 2016 at 3:15 am Reply

    Now im starting to really freak out. My nails has ridges on fingernails, and starting to crack. Is this really normal? :-(

    • Debs February 9, 2016 at 6:50 am Reply

      imo I suspect its probably just another unwanted gift from FQs as quite a few of us have this happen to us I did , my nails are OK again now . Floxing is simply bizarre .

      • Ann February 9, 2016 at 9:07 am Reply

        Hi debs
        Im damaged by flagyl, also a poison :-(
        How long was it until The nails got better Again?
        This is really freaking me out :-( every week i seem to have another unwanted thing going on. Afraid that my hair are going to fall out soon to.

    • Deborah February 9, 2016 at 7:13 am Reply

      Hi Ann,
      I have the ridges, too. My nails have always been strong but they are breaking. Lost my two lg toenails last Oct. Seems it’s one thing after another. Been having pain in heels & ankles. Just rec’d the Magnesium Oil Spray in mail yest. Massaged into areas & seemed to help. I don’t need this on top of PN, Fibro & OA…ugh!!
      Pray we all have healing in our bodies soon!! Deb

      • jwinn February 9, 2016 at 8:48 am Reply

        Hi Ann and Deborah, I lost all of my nails and toenails when I first got floxed. Oxygen doesn’t seem to reach my extremities due to blood vessels constricting and reconstructing. I started using a clear strengthening polish called ‘Trend” from Delo Enterprises. It was recommended to me by and Auto Immune Doctor. It helped with the splitting, chipping, peeling and breaking. It also dries in less than a minute. YOU MUST CHANGE THE POLISH EVERY DAY UNTIL THEY GROW OUT! It is a quick process since it only takes a minute for it to dry. After your nails start to grow stronger, you can wait a few days before changing it. I don’t go without it, and even put in under my nail polish and touch up the tips with it when my polish starts to wear on the ends to keep my nails from splitting. It is called the Nail Repair Kit for $27. It did not help the fact that my nails were detaching from my nail beds and falling off. But my new nails were so thin, they needed the nail repair product to strengthen them in order for them to grow. Unfortunately, I am 6 years in and one of my fingernails just started detaching from my nail bed AGAIN (It is half way off now :() , but my other nail looks fine and strong with the product. Hope this helps!

        • Ann February 9, 2016 at 9:25 am

          Thanks jwinn
          I Will buy something to make my nails stronger. Im afraid they are going to Come off. did your nails grow back when you lost them?
          This is like a nightmare. Im soon 13 weeks out, and everything on my body is falling apart :-( its just more and more and more.

        • jwinn February 9, 2016 at 9:34 am

          I am sooooo sorry. I DO know how you feel. It is very scary! It made my anxiety go through the roof. I tried their nail polish, but didn’t like it. I only use the nail strengthening product. It lasts a long time, and I have been using it for 5 years. I will probably continue to use it for the rest of my life. I am a bit discouraged that my fingernail is lifting from my nail bed and coming off again after 5 years. My big toenails are still purple underneath where the oxygen doesn’t reach the tips of my big toes. My hair fell out by the handfuls as well and got really dry. I stopped using sulfates on my hair and that helped a bit, but it has never gotten back to where it used to be. Still praying for that day for all of us!!!

        • jwinn February 9, 2016 at 9:36 am

          And yes, my nails grew back, but they were very thin. The Trind nail product helped to strengthen them as they grow back. Unfortunately, 6 years in, I think my thumb nail is going to come off AGAIN.

        • Ann February 9, 2016 at 10:39 am

          Im so sorry The nails seem to fall out Again for you :-( i hope not.
          my anxiethy is also high now, this is just to much.
          How long did it take for The nails to grow back?
          My feet are very cold, i cant feel like i did before.

        • jwinn February 9, 2016 at 1:26 pm

          I am so sorry for you, too, Ann. My feet stayed frozen for 2 years. Now they are either frozen, or on fire. There is never an in between where they are just comfortable. But at least I can walk now! I am glad you found a NP doctor to help you! The closest one to me is 1 1/2 hours away, and I have a very difficult time driving. Being this way makes us all anxious! I took a few months before my nails started growing back, as my circulation started getting a bit better. I slowly cut the pieces away so it wasn’t such a shock for me to look at them. My toenails were the worst and went the fastest. If your feet are freezing, it is probably because you are not getting the proper circulation to them as well. I wish I could help you more! I hate that we all have to go through this! But I am thankful we have each other to share and offer hope of healing! Sending you prayers and hugs!

        • Ann February 10, 2016 at 12:49 am

          Hi jwinn
          Yes i am also glad that we have each other, i dont know what to do, if we havent.
          I cant drive at all. I have a really Hard time walking on my legs. And im so dizzie all The time and off balance, so i cant drive. But I have a very kind father Who drives me any where
          Im happy i saw The naturopath, but unfortunally we dont have IV treatments. But i hope he can at least help me with my gut
          My toe nails also seem to be worst. I also have The burning. Either frezzing or burning. Unfortunally in my whole body. Also a lot of pain and my joints pops
          I Wonder about The nails, Maybe cirkulation problem like you said and maybe lack off vitamins.
          A lot of hugs to you to And thanks

      • Ann February 9, 2016 at 9:20 am Reply

        Hi Deborah
        Ohh you to? This is so scary. Im falling apart. It looks like my nails are going to Come off soon. My toe nails seem to be worse.
        So your nails has not Come back Deborah ?
        I also hope we all Will heal.

        • Deborah February 9, 2016 at 10:02 am

          Hi Ann,
          My toenails are slowly growing back. Doc said prob take about six mos. to grow out. So maybe by Spring (April). They have really hurt during this whole process. May even try some magnesium oil on them. I ordered thru iherb where get my SAMe for joints, etc.

        • Ann February 9, 2016 at 10:31 am

          This is just to weird, i Wonder why The nails fall off? This is just a nightmare
          Okay so they grow back, thats good, but The pain must be very Hard to deal with
          I have an awful pain in my toe nails, so i guess they are going to fall off soon :-(

    • joanneg February 9, 2016 at 9:03 am Reply

      Hi Ann,

      Just wanted you to know I too have deep ridges on every one of my fingernails, but they are worse on my thumbs.

      Also, I have read other people’s testimonies that had this and said that it did go away after a few years. I hope so because not only is it scary, it’s ugly.

      • Ann February 9, 2016 at 9:31 am Reply

        Hi joanneg
        I agree with you, its not so Nice.
        I have it most on my toe nails, but starting to Come on my finger nails to.
        A few years???? I dont now what to do anymore. The body just falls apart, and I cant do anything about it :-(
        Have you lost your nails or do you only have The ridges? Im scared they are going to fall off

        • joanneg February 9, 2016 at 9:38 am


          No, I have not lost any of my nails, but they all do have deep ridges.

        • Ann February 9, 2016 at 10:27 am

          Okay, i hope mine dont fall off. I have pain in them to. I can take The ridges, but im afraid they Will fall off. do you have anything on your nails?

        • joanneg February 9, 2016 at 10:44 am


          If you mean polish, no I stopped using polish so I can keep an eye on want my nails are doing. I don’t know if that’s good or bad, it’s just what I wanted to do.

    • Linda February 9, 2016 at 10:58 am Reply

      Hi Ann…seems pretty much anything is “normal” following this. I know nail problems can be caused by a vitamin D deficiency, and perhaps it is possible than these drugs deplete that as they do magnesium. I would suggest at least 2000 IU a day. Also, I wanted to mention—I thought of your last night when I was reading Dr Jay Cohen’s book that he published shortly before his death. He talks about flagyl and how it is usually given with Cipro or Levaquin. (His book, aptly titleld “How We Ca Halt the Cipro and Levaquin Catastropjhe: The Worst Medication Disaster in U.S. History” It’s a great book. I have to say he has a bit more faith in the FDA than I do and he also mentions some pharmaceuticals as possible treatment options, eg for pain or insomnia, but I think that is just asking for more problems.

      • Ann February 9, 2016 at 11:15 am Reply

        Hi Linda
        I take 5000 iu with d vitamin. I took that every day, but now every other day. Can it be some other lack off vitamin or Iron or something? I dont want to loose my nails.
        Yes it seems that flagyl often is prescribed with other antibiotics, like cipro and so on. I took flagyl with herracillin.
        Today i saw The naturopath. Finally someone listened to me. He talked about my stomach, i have to heal that first, and heal The leaky gut. He was so Nice, and never said like every doctor i have been to, that i amerikanska crazy. He belived me, finally.

        • Ann February 9, 2016 at 1:12 pm

          Not amerikanska, my Phone change The Word, it should be ” i am ” lol

        • Linda February 9, 2016 at 2:48 pm

          Don’t know what else might be causing the nail breaks, but SOOOOOO glad you saw an ND—and he LISTENED. And it is so much based in the gut, so I think this is very, very promising!!! Very happy for you! I think this is the beginning of your healing. :)

        • Ann February 9, 2016 at 3:02 pm

          Thanks Linda :-)
          Yes its seems to be very promising. Even though i know its a long road ahead, but im so happy that someone listening to me.

  23. Chris February 9, 2016 at 11:20 am Reply

    I just wanted to give everybody an update after using colostrum as recommended by joanneg. I’ve been on a very strict paleo diet, avoiding all food allergies, drinking reverse osmosis water, taking every known supplement known to man, and heavily supplementing with magnesium for the last 5 weeks. I’ve honestly lived a perfect life as far as health goes. I would say that I recovered about 20% by taking those steps. After taking the colostrum, I have improved to about 75% in just 3 days. My problems for the last 16 months have been primarily muscular and I’ve been able to feel my muscles get warm after taking the colostrum. They are stretching again and not as “crunchy” for lack of a better term. They’re also not constantly in spasm. The remaining pain seems to be due to muscles that are extremely tight after not being used properly for over a year. Each day those also seem to be loosening up. I’m praying this isn’t too good to be true, but so far so good. I’ll keep people updated with my progress moving forward. Thank you, Joanne.

    • jwinn February 9, 2016 at 11:38 am Reply

      That is also my biggest problem. I just ordered my colostrum yesterday. Hoping I will be moving better and in less pain after the colostrum!!!!!! Thanks Chris and joanne!

      • ChristmasCarla February 9, 2016 at 8:16 pm Reply

        Okay, kids, report on Colostrum, 2-1/2 days. I took 2 capsules (500 mg ea.) this morning with my usual handful of supplements, just before breakfast. My pain was much much less today, could move more easily, got a lot more done. Like Chris, prior to this, I was at about 20% efficiency, and I didn’t know when something would start hurting so badly I had to stop doing anything. I can’t say I made it to 75%, but then I’ve taken only four doses. I was surely at 60%, and I intend to keep it up and keep getting better.

        I’ve eliminated the words “unbelieveable” and “incredible” from my vocabulary, because I think belief is a creative tool, so all I can say about the Colostrum is — amazing rapid improvement, and I’m excited that it will keep getting more helpful as I take it daily. I did feel a little light-headed today, but not really dizzy.

        Many many thanks to joanneg for discovering this, and I hope it continues to help us all.

        Chris, the instructions on the Colostrum I got say to take with food. Do you find any difficulty in taking it on an empty stomach?

        As for sleeping, I was also sleeping propped up on my back for two years or so, and can now sleep on my side if I’m careful not to have any pressure on or contact with my still-very-sore ankle/Achilles tendon. That is slowly healing with alternating treatments of Colloidal Silver, Manuka Honey, coconut oil and pure aloe vera gel.

    • ChristmasCarla February 9, 2016 at 11:49 am Reply

      Chris and Joanneg and all … I too am on my 3rd day of Colostrum. Took only one capsule in evening when I first got it two days ago (dosage 2, 2x/day) and took 2 yesterday morning and only 1 in evening, since it seemed to keep me awake the evening before (gave me more energy). I took only the Colostrum yesterday, skipped my huge handful of supplements so I could better tell what the Colostrum did on its own. I moved better yesterday and slept better last night. The pain in my feet/ankle/Achilles tendon did not wake me as often, and it was more easily soothed. I feel better this morning and took 2 Colostrum caps with my other supplements at breakfast.

      One thing I noticed is that I felt spacey, but I do take a small dose of cannabis oil daily with breakfast. I’ve been doing that so long I no longer notice any cannabis-type effects, but yesterday it was like I was stoned all day. Perhaps the Colostrum released stored up cannabinoids or something. Feel fine this morning, took smaller dose of oil with breakfast. I intend to keep using the Colostrum as long as it is helping and will keep everyone updated.

      Ann, so, so glad you have found a NP doctor to help with your process! Keep on healing!

      • Ann February 9, 2016 at 1:19 pm Reply

        Thanks christmascarla :-)
        Someone finally belive me. Cant do IV treatments here, but i hope he can help me with my gut. Hugs!

    • Bob February 9, 2016 at 6:28 pm Reply

      Chris, How much colostrum have you been taking?

      • Chris February 9, 2016 at 7:22 pm Reply

        3 tablespoons a day. All on an empty stomach with only water.

    • Linda February 9, 2016 at 7:00 pm Reply

      That’s fantastic! I wonder if it is more helpful for muscular kinds of injury. I haven’t really noticed a difference and my biggest remaining issues are breathing, numbness, vision and GI.

      • Chris February 9, 2016 at 7:25 pm Reply

        I had breathing problems that were muscular related because my back and chest were so tight. It was like I could only take shallow breaths. That is feeling better now. I did have neuropathy, but that cleared up awhile ago by taking magnesium.

  24. Tom Marsella, Fresno February 9, 2016 at 4:51 pm Reply

    Joanneg : Your vertigo gone now since colostrum? -Tom

    • joanneg February 9, 2016 at 5:49 pm Reply

      Hi Tom,

      No, my vertigo is not gone. The intensity fluctuates throughout the day from extremely good, like 80-90% better, then it will flare to only 50-75% better.

      For example, the last hour or so I feel the intensity increasing (I am late on taking it), so when I’m done posting I’ll go and take a Tblsp of the Colostrum and it will usually bring it back down. So on an average I’d say 80% improvement overall since the Colostrum.

      Also, I’m able to lay flatter when I sleep which I haven’t been able to do in 20 months without the room spinning.

      And, I slept half the night on my side, which I could not do either because of the dizziness and shoulder joint pain was so bad.

      So I’m not cured, but very happy with the results so far.

  25. Tom Marsella, Fresno . . February 9, 2016 at 6:01 pm Reply

    Joanneg : that’s encouraging because I have to sleep on my back with my pillows fluffed up in an almost set up position. I just started colostrum yesterday. While waiting for the sovereign Labs powder I’m using colostrum lozenges made by immune tree 6 carried by a nearby store here in Fresno.-Tom

    • joanneg February 9, 2016 at 7:07 pm Reply

      Yea Tom, that’s how I’ve been sleeping for 20 months. It’s sooo exciting to be able to lay flatter or on my sides. But I can’t always sleep these ways only when it’s working really good (80-90%). I’m 9 days on the colostrum, and I was able to sleep flatter and on my sides 3 of those days, compared to before the Colostrum; 0 days out of 600. So them are waay better odds.

      I sure will be praying the Colostrum helps you.

      Anyhow, have a good night :)

  26. Bruce Brannan February 11, 2016 at 6:12 am Reply

    I have been fighting sinus problem for a few weeks with Nelimed Sinus Flush and Colloidal Silver. At first it seemed that it would do the job but now it seems to be getting worse. Any more suggestions???

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