Floxie Hope


This site is to give HOPE to those who are suffering from Fluoroquinolone Toxicity Syndrome as a result of being poisoned by fluoroquinolone antibiotics – Cipro, Levaquin, Avelox, Floxin, etc.  It contains stories of healing.

Cipro, Levaquin, Avelox and all other fluoroquinolones are dangerous drugs that can have devastating effects that cumulatively I’ll refer to as Fluoroquinolone Toxicity Syndrome or Floxing.  Fluoroquinolone Toxicity Syndrome/Floxing includes damage to connective tissue (tendons, ligaments, cartilage, fascia, etc.) throughout the body, damage to the nervous systems (central, peripheral and autonomic), and more. The damage done by fluoroquinolone antibiotics can destroy a person’s quality of life or even kill them. Certainly, there is a time and a place for drugs with dangerous side effects. If you find yourself in a septic shock induced coma, fluoroquinolones may save your life. Unfortunately, these drugs are not being reserved for life or death situations. People are being prescribed them for urinary tract infections, suspected prostate infections, upper respiratory infections, as a prophylactic for travelers’ diarrhea, ear infections, pink eye, etc. Thousands of people have suffered needlessly from the devastating effects of fluoroquinolone antibiotics, when another, safer antibiotic could have, and should have, been used.

The damage done by fluoroquinolones is largely unacknowledged by the medical establishment and an accurate diagnosis, compensation and relief are difficult to come by. There is no known cure for Fluoroquinolone Toxicity Syndrome/Floxing.  However, many people continue to LIVE after being poisoned by fluroquinolones.  They find healing, recovery, perseverance, compassion and hope.  These are their stories.

This site is meant to give hope for healing to those who are adversely effected by fluoroquinolones.  It is no way meant to disregard the pain of those who are chronically suffering from the horrifying effects of Cipro, Levaquin, Avelox or the other fluoroquinolones.  There are people who don’t recover.  Their stories are real and they matter.  There are also people who are able to recover and I share their stories with the hope that they inspire others, or at least give hope that recovery is possible.

Here is a New York Times article about the dangers of fluoroquinolone antibiotics – http://well.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/09/10/popular-antibiotics-may-carry-serious-side-effects/?_r=0 – more news stories, research papers and other resources can be found on the “Links and Resources” page.

Here is a Facebook group that is a great resource for those going through Fluoroquinolone Toxicity – https://www.facebook.com/groups/floxies/

Featured post – I’m floxed. Now what?

The Fluoroquinolone Toxicity Solution Ebook has helped many Floxies to recover, including DanielCindy and Ruth.  As a bonus, you will also receive The Floxie Food Guide – a book of diet guidelines to help you through fluoroquinolone toxicity:

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  1. Barbara Arnold November 21, 2020 at 6:07 am Reply


    This is scary. They are using fluroquinolones on some covid patients. Also there are 10 companies try to get their covid vaccine out first ignoring the safety measures.

    • Don M November 21, 2020 at 9:11 am Reply

      Barbara Arnold….. Your right Barbara. The whole treatment thing is scary. Fluoroquinolones are being used on people who have no idea what they could be in for. Many are in no condition to make decisions. I have always maintained that MD doctors treat what they see or can get from a lab report. Very few are concerned about the ancillary adverse effects they could be causing for the patient.

    • Madge Hirsch November 22, 2020 at 6:03 pm Reply

      Hi Barbara- I read some months ago that Bayer had sent a shedload of Cipro to China just like they did to Africa for Ebola. The symptoms of Long Covid are eerily similar to those of floxing. I don’t think all those suffering from Long Covid will have been floxed because many did not have severe symptoms requiring medical treatment when they got infected but some might . How’s it going in Spain? We are on our second lockdown and it just as bad as the first . I have got my op date for my hip replacement -16th Dec. The bad news is that the last lot of xrays showed the other hip needs replacing too. The deterioration has been spectacular and I wonder if this is another gift from Cipro. They will not do the second hip for anotber year. Also kratom has been made illegal here. Hope you are taking your vit D . There has been a trial of Calcifediol at Reina Sofia University Hospital in Cordoba on covid patients with fantastic results. Why is it not being shouted from the rooftops? Because vit D is cheap as chips and there is no money in it for Pharma.

      • Barbara Arnold November 25, 2020 at 10:08 am Reply

        Hi Madge,
        I’m so glad you at last have a date for your hip op. I’m really sorry you have to have the other one done to. What a bummer. Who knows if cipro played a part in this. I guess we’ll never know.
        Yes they have been giving covid patients fluroquinolones, that and the other treatments ie ventalators, there is no doubt in my mind that long covid is a result of this. Many of the symptoms from long covid match the side effects of fluroquinolones. Makes me sick, they are still dishing out these poisonous antibioctics to innocent people, when they KNOW the dangers.
        Here in Spain where I am, its not to bad. We have surrounding towns that are shut. You are not allowed in or out. I live on the border of one town not shut with another that is. We still go out for lunch, tapas, coffee etc. If it were not for the mask wearing and supposidly social distancing you would not think anything was wrong. We are careful and we don’t go out that much. I havn’t seen my family for over 14 months. I am determined to see them next year, no matter what. I’m not getting any younger and I’m waiting for a kidney specialist to phone me as my recent blood test showed very high creatinine, which means my kidney’s are not functioning properly. It’s a mistery though as I have no symptoms from high creatinine levels at all, like diabetes, high blood pressure, fluid retention, foamy urine. Indeed I feel better than I’ve felt for a long time, so I’ve no idea whats going on. If I don’t hear from the specialist by next week, I’m going to chase him up. I’ve been left with a bomshell hanging in the air, so to speak.
        For anyone interested, one of the reasons I feel so much better is since I’ve been taking C60 . I have so much more energy and less pain. I’ve been taking it for 2 months and when this bottle runs out, I will wait and see what happens. I’ve been taking half a dropper twice a day.
        All I take now apart from C60 is magnesium, VitD and zinc. I was taking VitC but I learned that VitC help with iron absorbtion and as this is the last thing my kidney’s need I stopped taking it. I also had high ferritin levels.
        I expect any moment now we will go into another lockdown, so I’m just taking things a day at a time.
        Stay well Madge. It’s always good to hear from you and I will be thinking of you when you have your op, hoping all goes well for you.
        Virtual Hugs xxxx

        • Madge Hirsch November 25, 2020 at 1:30 pm

          Thanks Barbara- my husband has fairly high creatinine levels but our doc has never said anything about it – I think men’s run higher anyway. I really hope nothing is wrong and you can get some finite news soon. All our restaurants are shut which I think is ridiculous round here as there is not much virus circulation and it is ruining the restauranteurs. I am sick of having to cook everyday especially as by dinner time my pain is always worse. What is this C60?
          Apart from the cartilage degeneration which is also worse in my ribs too I feel better generally and hope that I am starting to heal . It is too late for the cartilage – once gone that’s it at my age but I don’t have many days when I feel crap now. I’ve had a flare up of hives and mild PN but it’s not really bothersome. Next July I will be 6 years out so it’s about time ! We have been enjoying a spell of sunny weather and I have been able to sunbathe on the terrace for about 90 mins in the middle of the day. Frosts overnight though
          Look after yourself . I do hope you get to see your family next year. Our granddaughter and her husband were meant to come this month – everything was planned his visa obtained, the ferry tickets booked and then it all had to be cancelled 2 weeks before departure because of the lockdown. Bisous Madge

  2. Bob November 21, 2020 at 11:12 am Reply

    Why do you think the magnesium is causing your pain in lower legs. I don’t take a lot of magnesium and I have the same thing. Floxed over 7 years ago.

  3. Don M November 21, 2020 at 3:24 pm Reply

    Bob…. Who are you asking about painful legs?

    • Bob November 21, 2020 at 9:36 pm Reply

      Whoever it was that thought that magnesium was causing them leg pain.

  4. Juju November 22, 2020 at 4:20 am Reply

    I have decided to enter a 22 day fast. I bought all these supplements for mitochondria repair and I am all set to change to a keto / mito diet, however I feel like before I embark on my battle of the good vs bad mitochondria and whilst the tendonopothies in my shoulders and Achilles are keeping me out the gym anyway I should fast. Close my machine down and let it search out and destroy the damaged cells whilst also hopefully finding anything in there that shouldnt be and detox it OUT. If the theory i didnt metabolise the cipro correctly is true then it should be an opportunity to find it and flush it, if the postulation that its mitochondria damage is to be believed then once again fasting is the best way to target bad cells. Win – Win. Also im so stressed right now about everything im eating and running out of money that 22 days of not thinking about it and not spending eliminates that stress. To be honest researching what cipro does to the body has STRESSED me out the most and that stress has exacerbated all my symptoms and im struggling to differentiate between what is stress related and what is floxie related. I appreciate the info on this site and others but I have become much worse since reading it.

    • Andrea November 22, 2020 at 1:50 pm Reply

      Hi Juju. I’ve read a lot about fasting in the last years. There’s a (quite) famous Italian doctor named Valter Longo, who studied how fasting affects longevity and illness and so on. He promotes something called the fasting mimiking diet, wich is a 5 days diet with very little calorie intake (something like 1000 calories the first day and only 750 calories the other days).
      Me personally, I’ve tried a 3 day water fast a few times during the last 2 years, I belive, but in my case, it didn’t help. It went more or less always this way ; the first 24 hrs I’m just fine, of course hungry but overall ok. The second day I start to feel weak, and the floxie symptoms (joint-muscle-bone pain) start to come back. By the third day, I find myself very very weak, almost exausted, and the pain come back in full force.
      This is only my experience of course, but keep in mind that fasting creates a lot of alterations inside your body. In some cases it could be very beneficial, in other cases it could trigger problems, and this is expecially true for people like us. Now, I’m not saying this would happen to you, but I’m just telling you to be careful. A 22 day water fast is a very long fast, and unless you’re already familiar with fasting, I don’t think you should go for something so extreme the first time. There’re many risks involved in a such a long fast. This is also what fast experts have to say about it. Also keep in mind that, not only the fast it’s important, but even more the refeeding process. You should avoid binge eating after a fast and try to eat the healthiest and easiest to digest food.
      Good luck anyway, Andrea.

  5. Aga November 25, 2020 at 4:17 am Reply

    Hi guys,

    How are you doing? I have a question if any of you tried milk thistle supplement to detox the liver?
    Thanks, Aga

    • Virginia November 25, 2020 at 10:39 pm Reply

      Hi Aga, I used milk thistle successfully to support my liver when I was on Mepron for my Babesia. This medication can raise the ALT level in the liver, which is did mine. My doctor recommended milk thistle, and it really did bring down the ALT level. So it did work for me.

      • Aga November 26, 2020 at 2:16 am Reply

        Thank you Virginia, that sounds promising! Have a great day!

  6. Juju November 27, 2020 at 5:55 am Reply

    Hi Andrea,

    Thanks for taking the time to give me advice. I am well aware that as a floxie; nutrient deficiencies are the root cause of most of our problems, therefore reducing my nutrients to nothing sounds like a terrible idea, however fasting stimulates autophagy!: Where the body begins to clean out the old, unwanted, and unneeded cellular material, as well as fixing and recycling damaged parts.

    So I am wondering how on earth this antibiotic can still be effecting me 6 years later and I am reading it causes mitochondria damage.. Seems logical to me that to heal I need to concentrate on reversing this damage. Voila: Autophagy.

    I have took your advice on board about the length of the fast and thank you for giving me a steady head. After all the reason why my symptoms flared up so badly again was due to returning to exercising like I did when I was 22 years old, with no gradual build up just overtraining right off the bat. (I am also grateful for the experience as the resulting tendon problems made me research about cipro and what lasting damage can occur – to my initial horror)

    It is life changing.. but for me it is the perfect excuse to be clean as a whistle healthy!! No drugs, no booze, no sugar and only organic vegetables, nuts seeds etc, good fats and clean water and strict supplements that detox the body. Its what I also wanted but lacked the motivation for.

    Autophagy can be achieved by intermittent fasting which is what I do most of the time anyway and a long term fast can be imitated by being in ketosis, which i will be striving to be in as often as possible by eliminating gluten and non complex carbs. So there are other options for healing my cells and prolonging life.

    I am currently 48 hours into my fast drinking only water – laced with liquid magnesium and sodium. I had fasciculation in my abdomen last night but its has stopped now, I was imagining it was my intestines pumping out any lingering cipro ( read an article from a dr who had cipro poisonng and he reckoned it makes a cavity in the intestines where t is stored) I think it can be explained by my body reacting to lack of nutrients but I am focusng the power of my mind on healing so i am going with my theory I cleaning and renewing my body!

    Many experts agree that the autophagy process initiates in humans after 18-20 hours of fasting, with maximal benefits occurring once the 48–72 hour mark has been reached.

    My initial aim was begin fasting wednesday night, Thursday will feel like a normal intermittent fasting day then get through friday as one unpleasant day in work then its weekend! Judge on Sunday whether to break fast for returning to work on monday. Now I think I may end it at the 72 hour mark (saturday night) I don’t want to over do it like you say and I have had no tests done so any longer is irresponsible.

    Oh and the borax!! Is a miracle!! My ankles and achilles are so much better!!! I can sleep without a pillow under them again!

    Next up is tendon rehab!

    Stay positive everyone!

    • Andrea November 27, 2020 at 11:41 am Reply

      Hey Juju, I’m glad you’ve found my advice helpful. Yeah, I’ve read a lot about autophagy, hoping that it could help me, but it didn’t. By the way, a 72 hrs water fast is a terrific achievment, and hopefully you’ll feel better, just don’t go too overboard, if you start feeling like crap before the 72 hrs mark, just start to eat again, but remember, no binge eating, give your body the time to readapt to food, and no junk food or animal products in the first 24hrs. Maybe start with vegetable soups, fruits, then start to add fats again like peanut butter or almonds and remember : small portions!
      Oh, and let us know how it ended up for you.

      • Juju November 27, 2020 at 9:23 pm Reply

        I am at 63 hours mark. I feel fantastic! I just walked the dog and was aware I lacked energy but being able to walk without the achilles pain is just wonderful on its own.

        My eyesight is so good right now i feel like its better than 20/20 vision.

        Hunger ‘pains’ are much less frequent.

        Still have the globus sensation in my esophagus and the shoulder tendinitis/tendinosis though. Im gonna change my eating habits to smaller meals and neck stretches and do rehab therapy too for shoulder!! Being a floxie is a full time job eh?

        Good news is the fast has not exacerbated any symptoms !!

        I have been drinking San Benedetto / Evian or when in work there is Reverse osmosis (which is supposedly fluoride free) but i take my own bottle with magnesium liquid inside (RE-mag).

        IF i break fast tonight (72 hour mark) I will do it by first having bone broth (I live in S>E Asia and Pho is everywhere!!) I think and some omegas, to keep myself in ketosis. BUT as it will be 8:40 pm I might just hold out for one more sleep! That way I can break it tomorrow day time when the local vegan cafe is open and have their Kefir probiotic drink!! I think starting again by building my gut flora is gonna be perfect!

        Im moving away from worrying about cell damage because its hopeless and moving towards the gut isnt doing its job properly.

        Is anyone aware of the recently discovered connection between mold and being floxed?

        Also Im confused about iron. Some say good some say VERY bad along with Oxalates as it causes high Ferrin levels. (and heres me thinking spinach was a superfood *facepalm*)

        I am developing orthorexia I know but I just want to get this right. Only when I have full understanding can I start to completely relax.

        • Andrea November 28, 2020 at 5:42 am

          Hi Juju, that’s great! I’m really happy that fasting it’s working for you. Remember, as Dr Valter Longo says, the refeeding process it’s even more important than the fast itself. That’s when the cells in your body would absorb everything you feed them after a period of starvation.
          It’s strange how we’re all damaged by the same poison, but we react so differently. Like I wrote earlier, in my case fasting only make me feel weaker and in more pain, but who knows, maybe in a week or two I might give it another try, I don’t know.

          Now about iron : for what I understand, iron, like zinc and other minerals, it’s very important, but you shouldn’t take too much of it. Some doctors belive it promotes acidity in your blood, and that’s not a good thing, as it promotes inflammation, thus cancer. That’s why, most of the time, people recommend to eat less meat. Meat = lots of iron. I suggest you to do a blood screaning (minerals, vitamins and so on) and see if you have deficencies or not, then decide what you should or shouldn’t be supplementing. That’s just my advice, of course.

          I never heard about the connection between mold and being floxed, can you elaborate on it please?

          Lastly, about food and orthorexia, my suggestion is to defently be careful about what you eat, find out what foods seem to help and what not, but don’t too crazy with it either, remember, worry too much about somehting, causes stress, and that’s another thing you want to avoid.

  7. Juju November 28, 2020 at 7:26 am Reply

    Thanks again Andrea!

    I am now at the 72 hours mark WOO HOO! Which is supposed to be full immune system reset mark! I have decided to sleep on it and break tomorrow.

    I read watermelon is the most popular choice to break fast. I bought an organic pineapple before my fast and forgot to eat it so if thats still good tomorrow then I think pineapple and probiotic natural yoghurt. Then later l’ll go to a local cafe which does kefir drink and a veggie bowl containing tempeh . spinach . sesame pumpkin . quinoa . brown rice . red pepper hummus . fermented pickled beetroot . ginger . sauerkraut . cashew cheese . activated almonds . salad. It might be too big though so I may change my mind.

    would ideally like to stay in ketosis so maybe ditch the brown rice quinoa bowl and have bone broth instead and drink some healthy fats / take omegas. I really want all those probiotics though (kefir, Sauerkraut, fermented pickle beets,) but there is always the next day!

    Here is a link to the doctors youtube account whom is looking at mold exposure, he is on-going in the pursuit of finding solutions to being floxed and I think its well worth subscribing:


    Ive read contradictory things about iron, actually ive read contradicting things about everything but as you say we are all different and being floxed was a genetic thing to begin with.

    You said you were okay with 24 hour fast.. so why not just do one day a week? Or Intermittent. Or build up your tolerance with intermittent. (I should note.. for anyone that may read my experience and try it themselves that I have built up to this fast with intermittent fasting gradually making my break fast later and later, I haven’t just dived in)

    From my research every floxie should be doing intermittent fasting allowing insulin levels and glucose stores to drop before eating. Intermittent fasting and HIIT. Our bodies don’t come from a long history of convenience stores on every corner this is quite unnatural.

    Oh and yes I am trying to de-stress but I was a health freak and hypochondriac before being floxed so.. you can only imagine how many laps my head is doing digesting the fact ive been spoon fed chemotherapy.

    • Andrea November 28, 2020 at 10:18 am Reply

      Thank for the link Juju, I’ll look it up…
      I was very into fitness and training myself, but have to drasticly slow it down after being floxed 4 years ago. I was 30. Now I still try to do something. I’m into hill walking (and sometimes, jogging, if I feel good that day) now. I walk on a very steep hill everyday, and I walk at least 10 km everyday, sometimes more. May I ask you how old are you now and when did you get floxed?
      To answer your question, I sometimes do a 24hrs fast, but, as you pointed out in another post, the peak of the benefits from fasting are obteined after 72 hrs, but yeah, even 24 hrs every week could be still something.
      Oh, another thing I’d like to ask you, what kind of intermittent fasting do you follow?
      I usually stay with the 12/12 fasting and it’s good for me.

      • Juju November 29, 2020 at 8:41 am Reply

        We are the same age and got floxed around the same time 🙂

        There are still plenty of benefits to intermittent fasting and also from being in ketosis. I ideally would like to be on a keto diet permanently but its easier said than done, especially as there are fruits I feel i should be eating like blueberries.that have high fructose. Well actually its easy.. only buy keto! So many probiotics have sugar added though its a nightmare I wanted to buy kimchi but read the packet and it said sugar in it for example. I bought kambucha and it contained cane sugar. Most kefir drinks too.

        I used to train at 12.00 and break fast around 1.30 / 2.00 ish and wasn’t too obsessed with my last meal time as i would definitely get at least 12 hours to lower insulin levels. NOW I have this lovely Globus pharyngis/ dysphagia in my throat and issues with my esophagus which im treating as acid reflux or GERD so.. I need smaller portion meals and to have an empty stomach 3 hours before bed meaning its back to the drawing board. Being floxed is a poly-therapy headache eh? 9 hour window so I can get 3 meals or maybe 4 small. Im also trying to be as alkaline as possible to avoid the acid reflux. The alkaline water is costing me a fortune though.

        Of course it may not be acid reflux but a symptom of a neurological disease but theres no use dwelling on negatives when there is a benign explanation I can focus on.

        Sorry you cant train anymore 😦 try yoga! Personally Ive repaired my ankles and achilles so Im gonna resume cardio and im gonna rehab my shoulder tendinitis and get back to weights. I’m certainly not giving up, lll just find my limit rather than my old way of training which was to constantly push past the limit and avoid overhead pressing.

        It is my understanding that cipro damages the cerebellum (little brain) which sends signals to the big brain, so signals are not being sent efficiently which is the reason for fatigue or fibromyalgia because our brain is working extra hard.. but to me thats different to physical fatigue so I wont be held back. Actually I wont be held back by any of it! I’m studying Chinese and Korean and 2 years into learning piano. I already became fluent in speaking reading and writing Khmer in the last 3 years so.. its not killed off my brain yet.

        Like I said in a previous post we need to constantly be improving something and learning, have goals and be steadily progressing towards a worthy ideal. Feed the mind.

  8. Don M November 28, 2020 at 3:44 pm Reply

    Whether you believe COVID-19 is a serious health threat to society or not, one thing we all can agree on is that there is no long-term health information available. We do not have the luxury of historical data. Will those who seemingly had no initial reaction to the virus, come down with something serious, months or years down the road? Only time will tell. https://www.myquinstory.info/covid-19-fluoroquinolones-and-the-long-haulers/?fbclid=IwAR0t86LHMDiA0ac57iaucPW22Xy19eMbHbibDSmd14g3s9w9VCccKo03fwA
    As I understand it the vaccine research is centered around breaking the RNA of the virus. This looks like it will not bode well for anyone who is a floxie or who has taken a Fluoroquinolone.
    Will you take a shot of the vaccine?

    • Madge Hirsch November 30, 2020 at 2:37 pm Reply

      I am not inclined to get vaccinated at the moment. I had a flu shot in 2010 which was the first year they put the H1N1 strain into the seasonal vaccine. I was unwell for the winter and early spring with what I now recognise as possible floxing symptoms and wonder if this could have been a reactivation of a previous floxing. At five and a half years out from my last exposure to Cipro I am starting to have more time between cycles and feel a lot less crap when they do come -despite facing having both hips replaced and on and off pain from cartilage degeneration in my ribs. I am terrified of doing anything to set this back.

  9. John Taylor November 29, 2020 at 7:49 am Reply

    Hi All,

    I have been learning what a higher dose of Borax can do. Below is an updated protocol for removing the antibiotics and biocides that keep us in Floxie land.

    Borax Protocol
    Borax is toxic if you take a high enough dose. Low doses are not toxic. These words don’t contain enough information but often that is all one absorbs when reading articles to decide if one should take Borax to remove the toxins responsible for antibiotic toxicity or being a Floxie. The real perspective can’t be described in black or white terms. It is a matter of degree. It has to done in mathematical terms.
    Borax is mildly toxic. 1/16 of a teaspoon daily is hardly noticeable but will take months to remove azithromycin and other antibiotics that are not removed safely by Magnesium. 1/4 teaspoon daily has noticeable toxicity but will remove the Floxie toxins quickly. You can’t stay on ¼ for a long time. You need to stop and restore the Borax damage with supplements.
    Whatever dose of Borax you decide to use you need to switch back and forth. For low doses such as 1/16th switching after 8 hours will remove the toxins. At lot of the Borax and supplements are wasted this way as Borax is consumed by the leftover supplements and then the Borax is removed when you restart the supplements. For the 1/4th dose, four days of Borax will remove approximately 6 months of the 1/16th treatment. Then recovering from the Borax damage can occur in a few days.
    So what is the damage that is likely to occur? Borax removes oils including Vitamin A and E. Borax kills viruses by dissolving the protective oil layer viruses have. Borax also removes the brain’s oil layer aggravating diabetes. If you use oil for fueling your brain and heart, you can’t avoid oil for very long. But you can get the benefits of removing the residual antibiotics, Glucophage (Roundup), and other biocides stuck on the surface of our cells. These things are damaging you on an ongoing basis anyway and that is why the Floxie feeling remains. The question is can you stand the little damage Borax does temporarily to remove the greater damage the antibiotics are doing.
    Borax management is likely individual depending on how severe your Floxie damage is. A good suggestion is start with 1/16th dose per day of Borax for four days. Put that in 12 ounces and drink it throughout the day. Avoid all oils and supplements for these four days. Observe if you feel any degradation. Restart the supplementation process that has been helping you by drinking 3 ounces of olive oil to remove the residual Borax, and wait four hours to start the supplements. Keep supplementing until you are robust enough to do another Borax removal session. Take your time. When you have recovered based on what you feel start another Borax removal session. Increase the amount of daily Borax gradually but stop at ¼ teaspoon daily.
    The highest amount of Borax you can tolerate will remove the most Floxie toxins in the shortest period of time. It is a total absorption amount. A ¼ teaspoon per day is a very effective removal rate. The number of days you can do this determines how much of the Floxie toxins you have removed in this session. Four days can be very significant.
    I have seen significant improvement in organs. My daily temperature graph increased from 2.7 degree cold to 1.0 degrees cold. The poor circulation in my feet is almost gone. Plus I am no longer gluten intolerant. I made no progress on any of these for the last 10 months. We’re all different so you may have other signs. Please share your story so the group gets stronger. I’ll be interested to hear other people’s results to establish a range for toxin removal.

    I feel much more grounded in using Borax. I am always open to trying another removal method. The recenet post on fasting have caught my attention. Has anybody rid themselves of teh Floxie feeling. If so, how long did it take?

    John Taylor The Healthy Truth

    • Andrea November 29, 2020 at 2:37 pm Reply

      Hi John. After all this borax/boron talking in the last few posts, I’ve decided to give boron a try. I’m also taking a multimineral together with it. I don’t konw if it’s going to do something for me, it’s too early to say, I’ve been taking it for only a couple of days. I’m taking 3mg of boron at night with the multimineral (both from Solgar) and in the morning I take my vitamin D3 with k2. I’ve read boron helps raise vitamin levels in the blood. Anyway, next time I’m going to buy a mineral/multimineral supplement, I’m going to buy the liquid ionic version of it.
      They say it has a way greater absorbtion rate.
      Trace Minerals have a good selection of this kind of stuff and the price it’s good too.
      There’s one thing I want to ask you anyway : how did you come up with this borax protocol in the first place? Why did you choose borax, what’s the reason?
      Thank you, Andrea.

      • John Taylor November 30, 2020 at 6:07 am Reply

        Hi Andrea,
        This Borax/Boron Discussion has prompted me to try Boron supplements, not to remove toxins but as part of the repair efforts for the wide-ranging damage antibiotics have caused.
        About 1.5 years back I was first introduced to Borax as a general tonic by my Natural Doctor. He gave me a paper recommending this and said he found it beneficial. tI was a recommendation he was making to many patients. Dr. Podkul is a very successful ND with patients traveling 200 miles to see him. He is one reason I have overcome Cipro toxicity. However, this recommendation was not based on the concept Borax would remove Azithromycin. I tried the 1/16th of a teaspoon dosage, but stopped as it was way to painful for my stomach ulcer caused by Gabapentin.
        My Magnesium foot soaks were also hurting my ulcer. Shorty after that I decided I had to cure this ulcer next. Part of the cure is to stop all irritations, so I had to stop all magnesium supplementation. As magnesium is an important repair chemical and I needed extensive repairs, this was tradeoff of going backwards in one area to go forward in another. Mango puree is an ulcer healing agent and by avoiding hurting the ulcer from any chemical source, eating a little at a time to not stretch the stomach lining, the ulcer healed in about two months.
        A year ago, I had to remove the Azithromycin or die by diabetes. Below my calves, I was shoe polish black, cold and numb, plus my vision was getting blurry and I lost half my remaining hearing. My fasting blood glucose was 260 and slowly rising. Podkul recommended activated charcoal. This saved me and brought the glucose down to 220. My feet were slowly were recovering and my vision got sharper.
        Activated charcoal is an extreme treatment. It remains in your digestive tract removes all organic compounds from the water entering the small intestines and leaving the large intestines. So, you cannot take any supplements or oil at that time. They will blind the charcoal. Oil is an important fuel source I use to lower my blood glucose level. One needs to do this for 4 days just to get the activated charcoal fully through the digestive tract. One takes the charcoal for a week and on day 11 it is out of your system and you can supplement again. I did this once and realized it would be difficult to remove all the azithromycin this way.
        I looked at the prescription literature for clues to find another removal agent. It said avoid aluminum and calcium as it reduced the effectiveness of the Azithromycin. If you think about that, while important to state, it is also silly. We always have calcium in our blood stream and aluminum supplements are illegal now, as Aluminum is toxic. Aluminum used to be in Tums but not today. However, this was a clue. Aluminum is a positive ion with a charge of plus 3. Positive ions are antioxidants and all antibiotics and biocides are oxidants. So, I looked at the periodic table for other pus 3 atoms. Boron is below Aluminum on the periodic table and therefor stronger as the electrons are closer to the nucleus. The Boron +3 ion is extremely toxic. Boric acid will kill you quickly. Boron supplements are salts that must not present a +3 Boron state to be able to be used by our bodies.
        So now a light goes on. Borax is so called also a safe form. Let’s look at its chemical structure to see if it would attack/remove azithromycin. Bingo, yes, perfect. Borax has a chemical structure with three Borons and three carbons. It has a ring structure with electron sharing – the Borons have to pull the electron cloud to them and they still want more electrons being a positive ion. Only two Borons in this structure can present themselves as positive ions in solution and Borax is a very stable organic compound with a plus 2 charge – one each at opposite ends. That means one can attach at any double bond site of Azithromycin’s 22, and the other will be oriented outwards making it soluble. Once you start breaking double bonds in a ring structure, electon sharing stop at those carbons and the azithromycin looses its toxicity.
        I started taking the 1/16th dose and two weeks later I felt better and my fasting glucose levels started to go down. 10 months later I lost the Floxie feeling. A month after that I finished codifying what I knew into a book. With a protocol now clarified, I stated blogging and got a big payback when Don M brought forward an article that said to use 1/4th a teaspoon daily. After two sessions my thyroid function, which had not improved to 10 months, improved about 2/3 of the way to be fully functional.
        So that is how I “discovered” Borax with as the Beatles sing “I get by with a little help from my friends.”
        One final note. I don’t think Bpron supplements are the right chemical form to remove all the Floxie toxins BUT I say “Theory is nice, data is better.” Maybe you would like to contribute the answer to this question. Try the Boron supplements for two months, if you don’t see a major reduction in the Floxie feeling, try the Borax switching protocol for a month. Then tell us what you prefer. If the supplements are even just good enough, that is a big contribution as I suspect they are less toxic that Borax so one could remove the Floxie toxins while continuing to supplement.
        Love this blog,

        John Taylor

        • Andrea November 30, 2020 at 2:53 pm

          I will report my experience with boron after at least 2 months. Thank you

        • Tuula December 1, 2020 at 3:06 pm

          If anyone has any theories or suggestions, after reading the following, please share. One would think after 4.5 years my body would show some sign of healing. I feel like I am being viciously poisoned everyday and it builds up with time. I will likely try again the Borax protocol as updated. The magnesium supplementation itself seemed very super toxic… likely too much for my body to handle, or the fact they are synthetic? (I seem to not do well with supplements that aren’t whole foods?). It’s like magnesium takes the toxins for a joy ride, it’s unbelieveable the excruciating muscle pain I’m dealing with still since taking magnesium (tried malate, glycinate, citrate, mg+taurine) Nov 4- Nov 26th). Even one dose of Mg L-threonate on Nov 20th seemed to heavily affect my brain… it was scary (my whole body is scary) I had like 2 mini strokes on Nov 21, one on Nov 22, another Nov 23, + wierd headaches, now more problems thinking/spelling… it’s like Mg L-threonate took toxins past the blood-brain barrier and caused havoc in my brain… I keep a diary… this type of symptom was completely new, easy to pinpoint cause.

          I’m on a clean, organic diet. Currently severe muscle/vascular pain in my lower legs (like they are being beaten/strangled/oxygen deprived), stinging neuropathy vicious in my feet (but also throughout legs, + elsewhere, brain has problems finding words, misspelling/thinking, ringing & pulsatile tinnitus, aches/pains -sometimes left kidney area, liver area, stomach, pancreas, muscles, gut, etc. Note: in 2016 after taking nitrofurantoin… I was having bizarre incidents like suddenly didn’t even know how to use a credit card at a gas station pump, drove off instead, severe headaches, the neuropathy, tinnituses, muscle pain and spasms, trigger finger, etc.). Latest new symptom… last night.. ice feet, sweaty upper body… typically it’s one or the other and more widespread… anyways this is a quick recent history…

          Nov 3 – crying… hell… as if toxins released but not neutralized -likely because the day before I had taken 2(accidentally)- 60 mg theracumin- (note: theracumin I take occassionally, it lowers my slightly elevated immune system markers but yet at the same time makes me feel super toxic, yet it was one of the only things (other than diet) that helped in the beginning when my feet burned so bad I couldn’t feel anything, nor brain would allow me to sleep)
          Nov 4 – soaked in tub epson salts, some Mg chloride
          Nov 6 – nerves crackling as walking, Mg malate, soaked in tub epsom salts, some Mg chloride, bleeding gums, muscle pains
          Nov 7 BORAX #1, Mg malate, later developed 3 painful bruises near left knee (like I was viciously attacked from within (has happened before yet I have no blood clotting issues, am considered “healthy”)… these bruises continued for many days (I know when I am super toxic when these spontaneous bruises take forever to heal), very painful, the largest, most painful bruise, left a patch of bumpy varicose viens behind (I never had varicose viens prior to my 2016 drug reaction (was healthy, normal)… I know this toxicity is causing vascular damage… I have watched my legs be destroyed, it’s scary to feel, watch, even how my nails changed, clubbing toenails, all vertical ridges, etc.)
          Nov 8 – not a good sign- tight shiny skin ends of fingers, above cuticles…. this is a sign of lymphatic infiltration (have had this symptom in the past, biopsied, I do not have an autoimmune disease yet my immune system is constantly reacting like as if to an infection, even as per bone biopsy… high M:E ratio). It’s as if my body continues to react to the toxins which I can not clear, because soon I also developed swelling lower legs as if the body’s way to trying to neutralize the toxins when I’m super toxic (being regular toxic is horrible enough). In the past lower legs have swollen like painful beaten water balloons…

          In the end I have taken 11 doses of Borax (the 1/16th amount, from Nov 7 to Nov 29th), tried/stopped magnesium, am now taking some milk thistle capsules, and occassionally l-glutathione pump now… but my leg muscles/viens are in much pain as I write this… I have some genetic polymorphisms in relation to liver detox particularly PON1 Q192R which is known to cause an impaired ability to deal with organophosphates/pesticides and may be part of my problem. I am going to try to naturally help this with pomegranate juice, and quercitin and astaxanthin rich foods, perhaps krill oil…. apparently these should help, someone with the PON1 issues needs a good detox…no kidding.

          I feel hopeful thanks to you all!

        • Andrea December 1, 2020 at 7:07 pm

          Hey Tuula, I really don’t know what to suggest you, since we all react differently after being damged by the same poison. I can tell you this : In a few weeks it will be my 4th “anniversary”. My main problems now are the following : low to moderate neuropathic pain mostly in my lower legs ankles area, bladder problems/chronic pelvic pain (I’ve had already some problems there but they have grealty increased after taking the FQ course), that keep me from sleeping at night, and, since almost 2 years gut problems, that started after taking the wrong probiotic blend. The worst moment of this miserable journey was after 5 or 6 months after I took the fluoriquinolone. The symptoms at that time were bladder/pelvic pain, so no sleep too and orrific pain in my lower legs/ankles but also many other parts (wrists,shoulders) also chronic fatigue, shortness of breath and dizziness. I remember, right after being floxed, I was taking magnesium regulary, but I always felt it was doing more harm than good. I really don’t know why. I’ve read that some of us can have this problem. I sometimes take a multimineral and some extra magnesium today, but it started to help after a few months, not immediately, like I wrote earlier. One thing that really helped me was vitamin D3 (with k2 for better absorbtion). I take it everyday in the winter time, in the sumemrtime I try to expose myself to the sun everyday. It really seems to keep the joint/bone pain at bay. For me the really healing process started when I realized what was really hurting me. The number one thing I avoid is coffee or every caffeinated product, including sodas or iced tea. Junk food doesn’t bother me now, but at that time, when I started eating really healthy (lots of vegetables and fruits, healhty carbs no sugar or dairy plus some fish) it really helped my healing process. Be carefoul with supplements, sometimes, like I wrote, in the hope of finding the thing that would help us, we end up hurting our self ever more.

        • Tuula December 3, 2020 at 8:02 am

          Thank you Andrea. It helps very much to speak with you and also reading these other recent posts. I think borax may help (no magnesium), but hard to know because I had taken both at the same time.

          It seems I have to unintentionally hurt myself in order to learn what might help (via NDs/supplements especially), yet knock on wood, my body still finds a way to keep going. (still have headaches right now though, thinking issues, and the crazy, almost all night insomnia has settled down a bit, and the muscle pain is not as bad – re: magnesium/borax session experiment.) I need to be much more careful…taking magnesium was a massive wake up call and whether the borax was part of it, not sure. This is such a battle on so many levels, trying to cope with being part of life/ my family, and especially trying to cope 24/7 with these pains and symptoms and then trying to figure out how to help my body/stay alive. I am dumbfounded, horrified, furious by how this happened and is happening, has happened to others,,, how massive the ignorance is when it comes to drugs… how drugs lead to needlessly suffering, time lost, and innocent deaths. The aftermath of those types of deaths impacts the lives of others forever. No one should go through what we are going through. I hate that my family now for 4.5 years has had to suffer with me, life is far too short and should be happy. Nutrition should be the cornerstone of health “care”, not drugs, yet physician’s don’t care about nutrition, I have had more drugs offered to me since this happened, even other antibiotics (for no valid reason based on no test result… offered like candy)… never, ever again. Nutrition is key… whole foods, yet my body just needs some help… boron? borax? or good diet all the way or ??. Thank you again for keeping me fired up! : )

  10. A November 29, 2020 at 7:08 pm Reply

    Has anyone had RA type symptoms after taking cipro?

    • John Taylor November 30, 2020 at 6:08 am Reply


      what are the RA symptoms?

      • A November 30, 2020 at 8:56 am Reply

        Hi John Rheumatoid Arthritis. I’m asking because when I took cipro I went to a Rheumatologist had tests some test Ted positive then tested negative. Never had issues until I took the cipro. So I was wondering had this happened to anyone else with these antibiotics.

      • A November 30, 2020 at 1:33 pm Reply

        Hi John – my hands hurt like off and on I took cipro back in 2013. I also sit at a computer everyday at work typing and I’m always scrolling the internet with my phone so now my hands are beginning to hurt.

        • John Taylor November 30, 2020 at 7:40 pm

          Hi A,

          I had a mild case of OA for 20 years and found releif with what I called a grease job. I would avoid all carbs for three days and then eat a pound or two of cashews. The oil isn’t converted to fat as there are no carbs in your blood and my hands would feel better. I bacame a Floxie from Cipro and the arthristis became a major issue. eventially I learned to grow cartiledge and it is largely gone. Now it is one of the first signs for me of magnesium defficiency.

          RA is more complex and described as an autoimune disease. But as the fluroquinolones steal magnesium and Vitamin from all parts of your body it will agrevate your weakest area first in your case RA.

          Since Cipro agrevated it removing the Cipro, should help but the Floxie effect results from the accumulation over a lifetime of all antibiotics and biocides. Our food supply is the major source of these. Once Floxed, one needs to remove all these things. Cipro is easily removed with high concentrations of Magnesium in your blood which is best done by soaking a foot in a bucket of water with Espsom salt crystals remaining of the bottom – a saturated solution. It takes four days soaking for 15 minutes per day. Unfortunately the other toxins can only be removed by Borax as far as I know. There is a lot of dicussion on this subject on the blog right now. Maybe we will find a better treatment.

          I would suggest the following steps in order of priority.
          1 – Start removing all toxins from you body. The blog contains a lot of information on this. However there is more information in my book, better than blog writings and in a logical order. There is a sequence to repairs. OA appears about page 50 out of 90. RA isn’t in it.
          2- Take Quercetin. It is the best anti-inflammatory..
          3- Go to Dr Rind’s website. He is a Natural Doctor in the Baltimore area. The website is extensive. http://www.drrind.com He may have information about RA. Look for his temperature graph. It monitors the health of your organs that make the chemistry we need to heal oursweves. Specifically the thyroid and adrenal glands. If you have a fatty liver, that has to be unclogged to function properly. The liver is our main chemical plant that makes micronutrients to heal things.
          4. Search for a Natural Doctor near you.
          5. Keep blogging here. Someone with more direct experience may come forward to help you. In any event your story will teach others and they may discover something that helps.

          This blog is powerful group think. It helped save my life.

          John Taylor – The Healthy Truth

  11. RS G November 30, 2020 at 5:30 pm Reply

    In 2014 I took Avelox. After a few doses I found myself on crutches with a nearly ruptured Achilles. I’ve obviously stay away from all Fluoroquinolones since. Fast forward to today… I have had multiple sinus surgeries (have helped) but still get sinus infections. I recently found out that I have a bug that only fluoroquinolones will cure. My ENT is aware of and respects my issue but is pushing me to take topical Levaquin (via Neil Med rinse bottle). I’ve said no because of my concerns that (1) some could get into my stomach and (2) even topically I’m concerned it could cause me issues. The problem is… there aren’t many options to treat the bacteria in my sinus — I continue to ask doctors and pharmacists. What would you do?

    • selcem December 1, 2020 at 12:37 am Reply

      Hello RS G,

      In terms of recurring sinusitis, I am in same situation. 2 years ago I got 3 weeks of clarithromycn and did not have any positive impact on my sinusitis, then doctor prescribed me levquin+ nasal corticosteraoid and next day I was not able to walk. Even 1 dose of levaquin cleared my sinusitis but it always reoccurs now. And I can’t use any of antibiotics, maybe I will go through surgery also as you did but I need to find out root cause of it. At least I can tell you staying away from gluten, sugar, spices and much grain helps to reduce symptoms. I do mouthwash with sage tea to stop drain to throat. Also, I think mine is very much related to allergy (chemical cleaners flare) , maybe yours also. And you can control your teeth decay issues also, as it might be an underlying reason. So, I am trying to remove all possible underlying reasons (allergy, gut problems, tooth decay issues) to prevent recurrence.
      I hope this helps to you also.
      Also, I think oregano oil helped clearing my sinusitis last year, maybe you could try that also. Starting with 1 drop, because it gave me badly allergic reaction while most can tolerate it.


      • Madge Hirsch December 1, 2020 at 9:33 am Reply

        30 years ago I had recurring sinusitis. I was given antibiotics. I now believe this was my first encounter with Cipro as shortly after I had problems with Achilles tendon though luckilg no rupture. This was followed by severe back and knee problems , low blood sugar and the onset of hypothyroidism. The sinusitis came back every time. I was offered sinus surgery. I chose acupuncture. Resolution of sinusitis. It was unpleasant as the needles were inserted into my face. However the surgery sounded worse.

    • Aga December 1, 2020 at 1:41 am Reply

      Hi RS G,

      I would stay away from any fluoroquinolone. You need to look for alternatives. For sinusitis I recommend, sea salt with hyaluronic acid to clean the sinuses, propolis (its honeybee product, so please check you are not allergic first) and oil pulling to get rid of bacteria. It takes time, but it worked for me.


  12. John Taylor November 30, 2020 at 8:47 pm Reply

    Hi RS G,

    try these options before taking an antibiotic. Do the doctors talk at about your cause?
    Hi RS G

    1- Redoxa is an herbal decongestant that makes a very thin mucus that flushes out the thick stuff that won’t discharge and causes congestion ->infection. Dr. D-Adamo http://www.4yourtype.com call 877-226-8973 and you will talk to a triage nurse who will take your symptoms and recommend. have your credit card ready as she will take an order.
    2- Use a Netty pot. Make sure the salt is high enough that it hurts a little. It is an unnatural act but the salt draws out water freeing the congestion from the nasal tissue and you snort it out.
    3- I’ve never done this, but after 2 you can try rinsing your sinuses with water and Vodka Vodka kills bacteria but I image rinsing with straight Vodak could be violent so start slowly. I have cleared tooth root infections by soaking my gums with Vodka.
    4- Check out food intolerance as a cause as this can cause congestion. Google food intolerance elimination diets.
    5- See an allergist to rule out that cause.

    I used to be gluten and soy intolerant. Treating the infection with antibiotics and not getting to the root cause must have pushed me into becoming a Floxie. It is the total amount of antibiotic and biocides accumulating inside our bodies that makes us become Floxies and enter the no-known-treatment world. Two weeks back when Borax removed another quantity of these toxins, my food intolerance disappeared. Not magic but my thyroid, adrenal glands, and liver started functioning better. my temperature was running 2.7 degree cold and now is only 0.7 degree cold.

    6- Finally if all else fails, ask your doctor about Clindamycin. It has a low molecular weight similar to Cipro but no fluorine atoms so it does less damage. Commonly used for skin infections. It may be removed with magnesium, I’ll know late next week when I get the removal data.

    Lots of luck or lots of Love, LOL
    John Taylor

  13. John Taylor December 1, 2020 at 8:00 am Reply

    RS G,

    I forgot Vitamin C is antibacterial – 3000 Mg per day. You can’t overdose this.

    John Taylor

    • Barbara Arnold December 1, 2020 at 9:50 am Reply

      You have to be careful with VitC if you have to much iron. VitC helps with iron absorbtion. Okay if you need help with iron absorbtion.

  14. Aga December 1, 2020 at 9:50 am Reply

    Hi guys,

    Has any of you tried low-oxalate diet?

    Thanks and regards,

    • Juju December 2, 2020 at 1:50 am Reply

      High Aga,

      I am stuck in a 3rd world country with no money under covid lockdown so I havent had any tests done but as im stabbing in the dark im taking no chances and assuming everything is wrong with me and being as clean as I can be.

      This is an excellent question because one might be eating spinach and raspberries thinking they are having superfoods (which they are) But what is super to normal people may be kryptonite to floxies. So the answer is YES all oxalates are OUT of my diet.

      88-90% of floxies have high ferritin levels (protein that stores iron in your mitochondria) Too much iron = ROS

      Should be between 40 – 80. So go test your blood if you want to know if its suitable for you.

      Floxies are high on oxalate crystals because after taking the antibiotics we lose the Oxalobacter formigenes bacteria, which is a Oxalate degrading bacteria. This bacteria is in charge of the enzymes that break up all the high oxalate foods.

      So seems fluoros mess up the cells into allowing iron to accumulate leading to mito dysfuncton, iron dependent oxidative stress and iron-induced senescene (Cell death)

      oxalates are razor sharp crystals and they like to infultrate everywhere so could well be the cause of inflammation and a whole manner of problems

      Iron is +2 charged oxalate is -2 so they attract eachother and form more crystals.

      So if both are high we have iron crystals developing in our mitochondria in our muscles and in our brain tissue. NO Thanks!

      • Aga December 2, 2020 at 2:23 am Reply

        Thanks Juju. That’s very helpful information.

        I will be doing blood and urine tests this week to check my levels of minerals and vitamins. I can see ferritin levels are on the check list as well. In addition I will do an organic acid test and the results will also show the oxalates metabolites, so let’s see.

        I’ve already switched to bio/eco food and do Pilates. Soft exercise definitely helps me, but I’m still with the tendinitis in my right arm and elbow.

        How are you doing after the fast you did last time? I’m thinking about doing intermittent fasting as part of detox process.

        Take care,

  15. Juju December 2, 2020 at 1:18 am Reply

    Hey A,

    I am also suffering the same fate in my ankles feet and achilles. I couldnt sleep on my back and eventually couldnt even walk down the stairs. I healed them to the extent that Yesterday I did 15 minutes of burpees HIIT! (1 min 30 secs rest repeat) So it can be restored to give you normality again.

    Not gonna lie im in a bad way today but i needed to do it to see my limitations. lesson learned is that they can be restored to let you walk and feel normal again.. but you cant train for the olympics on them.

    When I say bad way not excruciating just enough for my body to let me know that it was too much.

    I am addicted to training so Im having a baaad time as a floxie because im not the athlete I was before but im testing myself and looking for the right balance. With adequate rest though and continued nutrition I may feel fine tomorrow and then in a few days ill try something else like one legged squats.

    The answer is vitamins minerals and clean diet. Whenever you want a chocolate bar remember the pain in your ankles and ask yourself is it worth that?

    Feed the body with nutrients and it will help itself out.

    I took the borax also.. after johns recommendation I read the borax conspiracy and it made sense to me to try (nothing to lose when its less toxic than iodinized table salt)

    There are so many testimonies from many many different people on youtube and forums all saying it worked for them so why not?

    I mix a tablespoon (and a bit more to match my excessive personality) into a small glass of boiling water stir it and add all the mix inside an empty 1 litre bottle of water and fill it with RO water. Keep that in the fridge and every day spike my bottle of water with it (a tablespoonish amount is recommended) along with liquid magnesium and sea salt. So my first 1/1.5 litre bottle of water a day contains a trace of borax that gets sipped throughout the morning in a fasted state.

    Then by the afternoon when I break fast comes the supplements and oils. (there are ‘arthrtis all in one’ supplements if you dont wanna go as crazy as me)

    Fasting also helped as it removes all inflammation from the body.

    My mentality is do everything you can and you deserve to heal. Try to ignore the postulations that we have an auto immune like disease from the cipro because that makes you hopeless, even if the brain IS destroying healthy tissues and cells as it mistakes them for foreign bodies we can still fight/delay the process by working on what we have and encouraging autophagy.

    Cipro damages the cerebellum (little brain) which sends signals to the big brain, so signals are not being sent efficiently which is the reason for fatigue or fibromyalgia because our brain is working extra hard, but for me that just means its ALL in the mind. So work on your brain too. Meditation and stress release and positive thoughts towards healing. The borax worked for me because John said it would and lots of people said it worked for them so I was determined for it to work for me too!! Get it?

    • John Taylor December 2, 2020 at 3:56 am Reply


      Great informative post. Glad to see your turnaround. You sound so encouraging, especially compared your earlier posts. Plus you are adding new to me information. -I think this blog is doing wonders. Keep it up.

      John Taylor

  16. Blair Katz December 2, 2020 at 7:26 am Reply

    Hi John Taylor,

    I just took a epigenetic Regenr8 test. Test said I have a ton of oxidative stress. This causes tissue damage. Feeling it in tendons.
    So I need lot’s of antioxidants. The theory is that damaged mitochondria is causing the free radicals and oxidative stress. So if one can remove toxins with Borax and recover, does Borax indirectly help the mitochondria?

    • John Taylor December 3, 2020 at 1:14 am Reply

      Hi Blair,

      Antibiotic are strong oxidants and they stay on the surface of your cells until you do,something about removing them. There are antioxidants of many strengths. Antibiotics need a strong antioxidant to remove them. The best found to Borax. Previous posts describe how to do this. As Borax is also toxic, you need to control,the amount of this weaker toxin to remove the stronger toxin/antibiotic.

      The theory is upside down. free radicals and oxidants cause mitochondria damage. Mitochondria are sites that conduct natural,oxidantion in our cells that make use function. As oxidation sites they also damage themselves and need to spawn new sites. This is done by four things: remove the antibiotics that continue to damage them, repair the DNC damage so they can reproduce with L-Carnitine, and there are about. 8 supplements that help repairs, and exercise.

      Complex isn’t it.

      John Taylor

    • Juju December 3, 2020 at 1:26 am Reply

      Hi Blair,

      The only thing that can ‘help the mitochondria’ is the process of mitophagy, which is the selective degradation of mitochondria by autophagy. The mitochondria removed by mitophagy are then replaced by the replication of the other healthy mitochondria in the cell. So intermittent Fasting and good diet. Modern soil is deficient in boron so the theory is so are we.. Borax (boron) is not a miracle powder thats going to reverse the damage done by fluoros but it may well be a powerful aide.

      The tendons has been a large focus of mine because despite recovering from tendinitis I still have a weak rotator cuff. Here is the lowdown..

      A recent animal study in the American Journal of Sports Medicine looked at how fluoros disrupted tendon health. Each animal group treated with different amounts fluoroquinolone antibiotics showed measurable disrupted tendon health as opposed to those that were untreated. When the scientists looked at the tendons under a microscope, the tendons were friable and had atrophied. In essence they were ragged, shredded, and shrunken. The researchers measured inflammatory markers matrix metalloproteinase MMP-3 andMMP-13 and tissue inhibitor of metalloproteinase TIMP-1 before and after the antibiotic use. The MMP-3 increased 30 times, MMP-13 increased 7 times, and TIMP increased 4 times. The results showed that tendon tissue had less fibrous cartilage and lost its healthy structure.

      MMPs and TIMPs are types of enzymes that play essential roles in tendon development and normal remodeling after injury. The body needs some activity of these enzymes to keep up with normal wear and tear. Too much activity of these enzymes leads to weakening, damage, and degeneration of these tendons i.e. a disease state. This animal study with antibiotics showed dangerous increased activity levels of these enzymes leading to the disintegration of the tendons and development of rotator cuff disease. The antibiotic reactions caused the MMP enzymes to go from responsible clean-up to en masse destruction and tissue shredding.

      The tendons atrophy, develop fatty deposits and become more friable. These same enzymes are also involved with other joint and cartilage breakdown. The COX enzymes are common drug targets seen on many pain relief drug commercials.

      Whats the solution? Welcome to my battle!

      Follow healthy eating patterns to support the hormone leptin and keep the repair enzymes in a healthy balance rather than destruction. Find a combination of nutrients to help support healthy tissue and use that in conjunction with your physical therapy, chiropractic, and/or other conservative medical care.

      I havent yet given a long enough timescale to my new lifestyle to give advice and am very much living with the same condition as I type, this is my battle too like I said.

      The research suggests unlike muscles little to no cell swapping takes place in them; its hopeless and to try stem cell therapy.

  17. Andrea December 2, 2020 at 5:18 pm Reply

    Hey guys, has anyone ever tried Silica?

  18. Dee December 3, 2020 at 7:41 am Reply

    John Taylor. What are the 8 supplements in your opinion that help repair mitochondria??

  19. Don M December 3, 2020 at 10:04 am Reply

    Covid vaccines……… https://dnascience.plos.org/2020/09/10/how-the-various-covid-vaccines-work/
    This may be a little complicated for most of us but it tries to explain about the different vaccines in the pipe line. The fact that they all seem to center their attack around the DNA, RNA and discusses entering the cell and may be affecting the mitochondria it appears that one should be very concerned if they are already a floxie. What may be the long term adverse effects that vaccines might produce? It is already known that there are some long term adverse effects if one recovers from the Covid illness. What do you think about a floxie taking the vaccine?

    • Lukasz December 3, 2020 at 8:29 pm Reply

      Good luck to those that take it.

      • selcem December 3, 2020 at 11:04 pm Reply

        You know governments might force vaccination, at least by putting rules to be able to enter public places. Myself, I take the risk of continue living isolated for 2-3 years more rather than vaccinaton.

    • Andrea December 4, 2020 at 12:56 pm Reply

      I’m not against vaccines, but iI’ll pass on this one. Too many things I still can’t see clear on the whole covid 19 situation. And now this vaccine? No, not for me, plus keep in mind that who already has an autoimmune disorder or a compromised immune system (see floxie), should be very careful when dealing with vaccines…

  20. Dee December 4, 2020 at 10:52 am Reply

    John Taylor, thank you John for the article on mitochondria support!!! D

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